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#101 Danthegamingman
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[QUOTE="thinicer"][QUOTE="jdang307"]I'm a PS3 fan but damn those numbers are horrible. I spend money like crazy on electronics so $500-2000 doesn't deter me but $600 for a console is expensive. It is. Sony has to lower their price.jdang307


The thing is, even if they lower it it will prompt Microsoft & Nintendo to lower the price of their consoles as well. Because the Wii & 360 have far greater market penetration, it affords them the flexibility to easily lower the price - especially Nintendo because production costs on the Wii are already so low. Microsoft has seen production costs come down on the 360 a lot because they have been in production for over a year now and already have shipped 10 million consoles, further dropping production costs down.

Sony, if they lower the price, will do it out of desperation but they cannot stop Microsoft & Nintendo from following suit.

True, but there are a lot of Sony fans who will buy a PS3 even if slightly more expensive then 360 because of brand loyalty. There are 100 million Sony fans apparently. Most of them are scared of the price. Anectdotal evidence, but all my friends are Sony fanboys (except two halo fans). Before the PS3 came out, I was discussing getting an XBOX 360 because the PS3 had been delayed so damn long they're like screw that I'm waiting for the PS3. I told them MSRP of $600 they're like damn maybe not. None of them have bought eiither console. They just won't buy a 360. But if Sony drops their price they will consider the PS3. Again, anectdotal evidence but the brand loyalty is strong.

I don't buy that brand loyalty arguement one bit. Most of PS2 sales came after the console lowered their price to $199. Hell Chevy and Ford used to have brand loyalty until the foreign cars arrived.
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#102 billbradsky
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"]ok we get it...the GBA outsold the PS3poopinloop32
Hey I thought you said the Wii was a novelty and people would stop selling as soon as people got tired of the Gimmick controller? Oops lol. Too bad you're not as reliable as your sales info haha. (Back to GeOW online)

I said the Wii would stop selling in 2008..thiers still time

^^^who's still time is it?

okay enough with the grammar.  People buy the Wii because they like it and it's not expensive.  People aren't buying the PS3 because it's expensive and there is a $200 cheaper alternative with the 360.  I think Wii will end up with the most sales of this gen.

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#103 thinicer
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True, but there are a lot of Sony fans who will buy a PS3 even if slightly more expensive then 360 because of brand loyalty. There are 100 million Sony fans apparently. jdang307


You cannot make the assumption that there are 100 million Sony fans. Many people who bought the PS2 did so because it was simply the very best console to get last gen. It had the price, it had the features, and it had the exclusives and the great games. Everything went right with that system and it made sense to buy it over the Cube and Xbox. People are always fans of video game systems that get the formula right, and the PS2 had the right stuff.

People will ultimately make a purchase that makes the most sense for them.

Remember, Nintendo reigned supreme with the NES & SNES. Those consoles succeeded because they had the right stuff - content, price & features. I would venture to say that the word "Nintendo" was far more synonymous with video gaming in the late 80s and early 90s than the word "Playstation" is today. Just look at how big a part of popular culture Nintendo was back then - Nintendo spawned Saturday morning cartoons, toys, cereal, and tons of merchandise....but Nintendo still lost their lead to Sony.
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#104 OldSkoolGamer04
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[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"]ok we get it...the GBA outsold the PS3poopinloop32
Hey I thought you said the Wii was a novelty and people would stop selling as soon as people got tired of the Gimmick controller? Oops lol. Too bad you're not as reliable as your sales info haha. (Back to GeOW online)

I said the Wii would stop selling in 2008..thiers still time

And when it continues to sell in 2008? Will it stop selling in 2009?

sure...i dont really care about sales..which is ironic since Neogaf is my favirote gaming site



Is that why you made this thread?
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#105 Koolsen
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Wow DS... DS has dominated for a long time...
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#106 jdang307
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I'm not doubting that. I'm saying right now content and price are killing Sony. They're working on content, they have to do something with the price. I'm not saying it's 100 million, but there are a lot of people not buying a PS3 because of the price. And they are not even looking at the Xbox.
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#107 El_Fanboy
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I'm not doubting that. I'm saying right now content and price are killing Sony. They're working on content, they have to do something with the price. I'm not saying it's 100 million, but there are a lot of people not buying a PS3 because of the price. And they are not even looking at the Xbox.jdang307
whats killing sony is no killer apps, and outside of MGS4 or FF13, i really cant see anything right now that will push consoles, unless Lair or Heavenly Sword turn out to be GOTY or something
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#108 thinicer
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I'm not doubting that. I'm saying right now content and price are killing Sony. They're working on content, they have to do something with the price. I'm not saying it's 100 million, but there are a lot of people not buying a PS3 because of the price. And they are not even looking at the Xbox.jdang307


On the contrary, because the PS3 is so highly priced they are most definitely looking at the Xbox 360 as an alternative purchase because it is a cheaper system and it already had a great library of games. The 360 will become an even more attractive buy when Microsoft lowers the price because they will then expand into the market that is not willing to spend $399+ for a video game system.
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#109 El_Fanboy
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[QUOTE="jdang307"]I'm not doubting that. I'm saying right now content and price are killing Sony. They're working on content, they have to do something with the price. I'm not saying it's 100 million, but there are a lot of people not buying a PS3 because of the price. And they are not even looking at the Xbox.thinicer


On the contrary, because the PS3 is so highly priced they are most definitely looking at the Xbox 360 as an alternative purchase because it is a cheaper system and it already had a great library of games. The 360 will become an even more attractive buy when Microsoft lowers the price because they will then expand into the market that is not willing to spend $399+ for a video game system.

That + Halo 3 = HUGE sales
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#110 thinicer
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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"] That + Halo 3 = HUGE sales



Yes, Microsoft will have a very good holiday season if they combine a price cut with Halo 3.
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#111 axt113
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[QUOTE="web966"]PlayStation 3 127,000 WTF!!! :lol: Sony is in trouble

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="Final-Darkness"]How is the PS3 supposed to close the gap to the 360 if it gets outsold every single month?Final-Darkness

When it releases in Europe obviously.

These are NA numbers only - not worldwide

Its losing WW as well
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#112 StealthSting
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WTH how in gods name is GBA outselling the PS3..............
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#113 magus-21
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[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="web966"]PlayStation 3 127,000 WTF!!! :lol: Sony is in trouble

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="Final-Darkness"]How is the PS3 supposed to close the gap to the 360 if it gets outsold every single month?Final-Darkness

When it releases in Europe obviously.

These are NA numbers only - not worldwide

Its losing WW as well

Only because Europe hasn't received the PS3 yet. Once Europe gets the PS3, then the PS3 will have Europe, Japan, and NA. 360 only has NA and Europe, and we don't know how 360 sales will be in Europe after the PS3 releases there.
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#114 axt113
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WTH how in gods name is GBA outselling the PS3..............StealthSting
PS3 has flopped
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#115 axt113
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[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="web966"]PlayStation 3 127,000 WTF!!! :lol: Sony is in trouble

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="Final-Darkness"]How is the PS3 supposed to close the gap to the 360 if it gets outsold every single month?Final-Darkness

When it releases in Europe obviously.

These are NA numbers only - not worldwide

Its losing WW as well

Only because Europe hasn't received the PS3 yet. Once Europe gets the PS3, then the PS3 will have Europe, Japan, and NA. 360 only has NA and Europe, and we don't know how 360 sales will be in Europe after the PS3 releases there.

Wii has everywhere
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#116 El_Fanboy
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[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="web966"]PlayStation 3 127,000 WTF!!! :lol: Sony is in trouble

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="Final-Darkness"]How is the PS3 supposed to close the gap to the 360 if it gets outsold every single month?Final-Darkness

When it releases in Europe obviously.

These are NA numbers only - not worldwide

Its losing WW as well

Only because Europe hasn't received the PS3 yet. Once Europe gets the PS3, then the PS3 will have Europe, Japan, and NA. 360 only has NA and Europe, and we don't know how 360 sales will be in Europe after the PS3 releases there.

1.Europe is the smallest of the 3 markets and has never determined a console war 2.Have you seen the ps3 NPD numbers? 3. If you think Nintendo will lose in japan, see DS sales.
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#117 Hoffgod
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[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Terami"]

I'll admit, I haven't followed GBA sales before, but one could assume it's doing well recently because of the release of FF VI... Just a thought.

I'll also go out on a limb here and say that maybe, just maybe the PS3 is still not selling well due to it's lack of games. Hopefully for Sony's sake, they can start delivering (this month) more games as I'd hate to see this being a one pony race.(monopoly)

I'm not shocked at all that the PS2 is still selling well.

Terami
Not games price. DS first came out with only 1 note worthy title. But it was cheaper than PSP and it had a touch screen. But anyway its def. Price.

I didn't say anything about the price of the game.  Obviously the GBA is cheaper.

I think there's a comma he left out. Probably ment to say "Not games, price." And I have to agree. The games situation for the PS3 would be much more palatable at $300 than $500-600
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#118 Japanese_Monk
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[QUOTE="CassiusGaius"]Expect every month of the NPD in '07 to be Wii > 360 > PS3.

Possibly '08 as well.
fatzombiepigeon
There's the possibility that the release of Halo 3 will cause the 360 to outsell the Wii for maybe one or two months. Perhaps three.

If GEOW didnt do it nothing will.
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#119 Japanese_Monk
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[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Terami"]

I'll admit, I haven't followed GBA sales before, but one could assume it's doing well recently because of the release of FF VI... Just a thought.

I'll also go out on a limb here and say that maybe, just maybe the PS3 is still not selling well due to it's lack of games. Hopefully for Sony's sake, they can start delivering (this month) more games as I'd hate to see this being a one pony race.(monopoly)

I'm not shocked at all that the PS2 is still selling well.

Terami
Not games price. DS first came out with only 1 note worthy title. But it was cheaper than PSP and it had a touch screen. But anyway its def. Price.

I didn't say anything about the price of the game. Obviously the GBA is cheaper.

You read that wrong. I meant to write. Not games.....PRICE! The price of ps3 is killing it NOT the lack of games.
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#121 Uzburacuz9
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thats not including Japan. so all you trolls saying wow,got beat by the gba can just **** it.
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#122 El_Fanboy
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thats not including Japan. so all you trolls saying wow,got beat by the gba can just **** it. Uzburacuz9
:D
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#123 GundamGuy0
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Im gonna play jesus' advocate here, and say that at least the playstation brand is selling? Those people who are buying ps2's will eventually buy ps3sEl_Fanboy


No, they may buy a Wii or Xbox 360 instead.
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#124 goblaa
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thats not including Japan. so all you trolls saying wow,got beat by the gba can just **** it. Uzburacuz9

How many GBAs and PS3's sold in Japan last month?
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#125 laughingman42
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"]ok we get it...the GBA outsold the PS3poopinloop32
Hey I thought you said the Wii was a novelty and people would stop selling as soon as people got tired of the Gimmick controller? Oops lol. Too bad you're not as reliable as your sales info haha. (Back to GeOW online)

I said the Wii would stop selling in 2008..thiers still time

Well I can only wish you luck for one. So what will it be? Wii not selling well into 08 or The Raiders have a good season?

whats with you bashing the Raiders man...their trying to rebuild not a Superbowl team...oh well i lost interest in this thread

because you cant find a reason to bash the wii, and the PS3 was beaten by GBA?
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#126 poopinloop32
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[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"]ok we get it...the GBA outsold the PS3laughingman42
Hey I thought you said the Wii was a novelty and people would stop selling as soon as people got tired of the Gimmick controller? Oops lol. Too bad you're not as reliable as your sales info haha. (Back to GeOW online)

I said the Wii would stop selling in 2008..thiers still time

Well I can only wish you luck for one. So what will it be? Wii not selling well into 08 or The Raiders have a good season?

whats with you bashing the Raiders man...their trying to rebuild not a Superbowl team...oh well i lost interest in this thread

because you cant find a reason to bash the wii, and the PS3 was beaten by GBA?

So sales are godsends?

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#127 Gamer556
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[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="CassiusGaius"]Expect every month of the NPD in '07 to be Wii > 360 > PS3.

Possibly '08 as well.
Japanese_Monk
There's the possibility that the release of Halo 3 will cause the 360 to outsell the Wii for maybe one or two months. Perhaps three.

If GEOW didnt do it nothing will.

Last time I checked, the 360 did outsell the Wii when Gears released. :|

And with Halo 3, GTAIV, and a price drop all expected before Christmas, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 360 edged out the Wii this fall.

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#128 2scoopsofempty
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I am going to try and go out in a limb here but, i really think PC gamers are taking alot of the X360's and even PS3's sales. PC gaming is booming.
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#129 Big_Greg
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I thought they stopped making Xboxs.
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[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="CassiusGaius"]Expect every month of the NPD in '07 to be Wii > 360 > PS3.

Possibly '08 as well.
Gamer556

There's the possibility that the release of Halo 3 will cause the 360 to outsell the Wii for maybe one or two months. Perhaps three.

If GEOW didnt do it nothing will.

Last time I checked, the 360 did outsell the Wii when Gears released. :|

That was because of the wii shortages....but with Forza 2, mass effect, Bioshock, Blue Dragon. Shadowrun, PGR4, GTA4...I'm pretty sure the 360 can outsell the Wii between May and October....without Halo 3.
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#131 killaj2786
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I thought they stopped making Xboxs.Big_Greg
They did...they're just some left on the shelves...
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#132 laughingman42
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[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="CassiusGaius"]Expect every month of the NPD in '07 to be Wii > 360 > PS3.

Possibly '08 as well.
Gamer556

There's the possibility that the release of Halo 3 will cause the 360 to outsell the Wii for maybe one or two months. Perhaps three.

If GEOW didnt do it nothing will.

Last time I checked, the 360 did outsell the Wii when Gears released. :|

And with Halo 3, GTAIV, and a price drop all expected before Christmas, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 360 edged out the Wii this fall.

there was also a much higher supply of 360s on the shelves when gears released, the wii sold practically every unit they shipped.
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#133 the-very-best
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I expected a lot more for both the 360 and PS3, but both will do much better in March I think. PS3 will outsell the 360 this month I think.

As for DS it's great to see it selling so well, and I can't imagine what's going to happen when Pokemon Diamond comes out.

PS2 still selling extremely well is outstanding this late in its life.
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[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="poopinloop32"]ok we get it...the GBA outsold the PS3poopinloop32

Hey I thought you said the Wii was a novelty and people would stop selling as soon as people got tired of the Gimmick controller? Oops lol. Too bad you're not as reliable as your sales info haha. (Back to GeOW online)

I said the Wii would stop selling in 2008..thiers still time

Well I can only wish you luck for one. So what will it be? Wii not selling well into 08 or The Raiders have a good season?

whats with you bashing the Raiders man...their trying to rebuild not a Superbowl team...oh well i lost interest in this thread

because you cant find a reason to bash the wii, and the PS3 was beaten by GBA?

So sales are godsends?

didnt answer my question so I will take that as a yes. and sales seem to be getting the wii more dev support. didnt you see the threads yesterday?
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#135 Runningflame570
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Oh dear lord...the uber-fanboys just committed seppuku.
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#136 lhughey
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to all the the analysts reading this forum, the numbers should say one thing:  Games and price will determine the winners of the console war.  The Ps2's and wiis popularity proves this.  Sony seems to be the most vurnerable right now with the PS3.  Apparently they are losing close to 300.00 on each console.  They wont be able to drop the price even after the cell resize to 65nm.  Meanwhile, MS was reported to be making 75.00 on each console.  They are also looking forward to a die shrink later this year.  They should be able to drop the price by 100.00 and still be able to break even.  Also, the Xbox has a much better lineup scheduled for 2007.  If the PS3 can make it to 2008 without falling too far behind, they may be able to hold on.  The Ps3 lineup looks pretty good for 2008.
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What more can be said? NDS owns.
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#138 klabut
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GBA ousold ps3.:lol:
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#139 JB730
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so the DS is outselling the PSP almost at a pace of 3:1 in the US too? its a wrap, the handheld war is over. PSP lost.

and by the looks of things, the PS3 isn't even giving the 360 or the wii any competition.

sony = from first to worst. must suck being last place in both handheld and console gaming.
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#140 the-very-best
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GBA ousold ps3.:lol:klabut


It's not that funny when you consider how cheap it is, and also when you consider that PS2 also outsold the 360.
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#141 laughingman42
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Oh dear lord...the uber-fanboys just committed seppuku.Runningflame570
lol. Is that the one where you just slice your stomach open and then your friend/ally cuts your head off or just the one where you slice your stomach open?
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#142 xX0LDSCH00LXx
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[QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="Final-Darkness"]How is the PS3 supposed to close the gap to the 360 if it gets outsold every single month?RahnAetas


When it releases in Europe obviously.

Yeah because Europe is part of the US :roll:.



Hey it's supposed to sell like millions on release day there, or something.  That'll close the gap (for about a month or two maybe)

"BIG" price drop for the 360 premium & no more core package come European launch!
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#143 laughingman42
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[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="Final-Darkness"]How is the PS3 supposed to close the gap to the 360 if it gets outsold every single month?xX0LDSCH00LXx


When it releases in Europe obviously.

Yeah because Europe is part of the US :roll:.



Hey it's supposed to sell like millions on release day there, or something.  That'll close the gap (for about a month or two maybe)

"BIG" price drop for the 360 premium & no more core package come European launch!

man talk about undercutting. thats brutall business tatics right there.
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#144 OhSnapitz
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I expected a lot more for both the 360 and PS3, but both will do much better in March I think. PS3 will outsell the 360 this month I think.

As for DS it's great to see it selling so well, and I can't imagine what's going to happen when Pokemon Diamond comes out.

PS2 still selling extremely well is outstanding this late in its life.
the-very-best
You said the EXACT same thing last month and the PS3 STILL sold the worst out of the three... I think it's time you come back to reality and realize that people just aren't willing to part with $600 just to play games.. and or watch movies..
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#145 DaysAirlines
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I expected a lot more for both the 360 and PS3, but both will do much better in March I think. PS3 will outsell the 360 this month I think.the-very-best
And if not in March, than April, and if not in April than in June!
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#146 the-very-best
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]I expected a lot more for both the 360 and PS3, but both will do much better in March I think. PS3 will outsell the 360 this month I think.DaysAirlines
And if not in March, than April, and if not in April than in June!



No, it probably will be March. F1 and Motorstorm just came out in the US didn't they? Motorstorm has been advertised well and F1 is a popular series.

If PS3 doesn't outsell 360 in March then it won't for another year or so till the price is cheaper and more games are out.
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#147 the-very-best
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]I expected a lot more for both the 360 and PS3, but both will do much better in March I think. PS3 will outsell the 360 this month I think.

As for DS it's great to see it selling so well, and I can't imagine what's going to happen when Pokemon Diamond comes out.

PS2 still selling extremely well is outstanding this late in its life.
OhSnapitz
You said the EXACT same thing last month and the PS3 STILL sold the worst out of the three... I think it's time you come back to reality and realize that people just aren't willing to part with $600 just to play games.. and or watch movies..



I said the 360 would beat the PS3 in February.
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#148 OhSnapitz
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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]I expected a lot more for both the 360 and PS3, but both will do much better in March I think. PS3 will outsell the 360 this month I think.the-very-best
And if not in March, than April, and if not in April than in June!



No, it probably will be March. F1 and Motorstorm just came out in the US didn't they? Motorstorm has been advertised well and F1 is a popular series.

If PS3 doesn't outsell 360 in March then it won't for another year or so till the price is cheaper and more games are out.

Read my post above...
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#149 PS3_3DO
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PS3 is a joke. :lol: It won't outsell the 360 all this year and when the big guns are out for the 360 goodbye PS3. :lol:

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#150 Cubs360
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[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="CassiusGaius"]Expect every month of the NPD in '07 to be Wii > 360 > PS3.

Possibly '08 as well.
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There's the possibility that the release of Halo 3 will cause the 360 to outsell the Wii for maybe one or two months. Perhaps three.

If GEOW didnt do it nothing will.

Halo 3 will outsell Gears in 3 Weeks! Halo is a gaming god! 2.5 Million sold in 24 hrs, thats what Halo 2 did with 15 Million Owners! Imagine around 20 Million with GTA right before it!