The NPD numbers are now official

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]I expected a lot more for both the 360 and PS3, but both will do much better in March I think. PS3 will outsell the 360 this month I think.

As for DS it's great to see it selling so well, and I can't imagine what's going to happen when Pokemon Diamond comes out.

PS2 still selling extremely well is outstanding this late in its life.
the-very-best

Software: Top Ten Software for February 2007: 360 Crackdown 427K Wii Play w/ Remote 371K NDS Diddy Kong Racing 262K WII Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Princess 130K PS2 Guitar Hero 2 w/Guitar 130K 360 Gears of War 119K 360 Major League Baseball 2K7 113K 360 Lost Planet: Extreme Condition 111K WII Wario Ware Smooth Moves 109K 360 NBA Street Homecourt 102k Software Tidbits: Viva Pinata 18k Hannah Montana DS 30k Resistance: Fall of Man 70k Virtua Fighter 5 53k Sonic Secret of the Rings 63k Rayman Raving Rabbids 60k Red Steel 26k Data courtesy of the NPD GroupDaysAirlines

I knew Crackdown would win. It must be a great game. :D

thats not including Japan. so all you trolls saying wow,got beat by the gba can just **** it. Uzburacuz9

How is the PS3 supposed to close the gap to the 360 if it gets outsold every single month?Final-Darkness

I am going to try and go out in a limb here but, i really think PC gamers are taking alot of the X360's and even PS3's sales. PC gaming is booming. 2scoopsofempty

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146545
Nintendo DS 485,000
Wii 335,000
PlayStation 2 295,000
Xbox 360 228,000
PlayStation Portable 176,000
Game Boy Advance 136,000
PlayStation 3 127,000:D:D:D
GameCube 24,000
Xbox 480

*Source: The NPD Group.
poopinloop32

I would like to say something. People are saying that the reason PS3 is losing is because it's not released in Europe yet. That's ridiculous. When did Sony say they would launch in Europe? The same time (or about the same time) as everywhere else in the world. Look, they lied. So you can't say "Bu bu teh PS3 hasnt launched in teh Europe yet!!1!" because that SONY'S FAULT. Exact same thig happened with DS and PSP. jim1029

actually the reason why they cant say it hasnt launched in Europe yet is because this is NA numbers only.

The rest of the world>>>>>>> USAmiss_kitt3n

Mark Rein - "Sony is the one to beat" :lol:dustin-diamond

That wouldn't be a very smart move.

The fact that PS2 is still selling so well should indicate to everyone that consumers typically wait a very long time before purchasing a next gen console. PS2 saw its sales spike 2 years after launch, and from then onwards it was quite obvious it was going to be the market leader.

All those PS2 owners are potential PS3 owners too since every major series on the PS2 is also continued on the PS3.
the-very-best

I gotta say - I'm getting really sick of hearing this lame, lame, LAME, damage control logic.

Next time you think that just because somebody bought a PS2 you can assume they are potential PS3 owners, go ask Nintendo how the N64 did after the SNES...     ...or even how the GCN did after the N64.

People are not the blind corporate loyalists you might think they are - and the farther Sony slips behind in these early stages, the more likely it will become that you'll see those 'major series' continued on other consoles besides the PS3, further negating it from consumer awareness...

How is the PS3 supposed to close the gap to the 360 if it gets outsold every single month?Final-Darkness

That's actually alot lower than i expected for the PS3...

I'd expect the 360's sales to get alot higher if the Core version is scrapped and the premium becomes the $300 Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Well I can only wish you luck for one. So what will it be? Wii not selling well into 08 or The Raiders have a good season?Bansheesdie

[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]Well I can only wish you luck for one. So what will it be? Wii not selling well into 08 or The Raiders have a good season?Franco-J

It's fairly obvious that the only thing selling the Wii at this point is the Wiimote and the novelty of it with certain games. It's obviously not the games that are selling the console...

When the novelty of the Wiimote has worn off expect the sales to lower a good amount. The GC had high sales at/around launch as well. When the novelty wears off is up in the air...it could be tomorrow or the end of the year or beyond...who knows.

It's fairly obvious that the only thing selling the Wii at this point is the Wiimote and the novelty of it with certain games. It's obviously not the games that are selling the console...

When the novelty of the Wiimote has worn off expect the sales to lower a good amount. The GC had high sales at/around launch as well. When the novelty wears off is up in the air...it could be tomorrow or the end of the year or beyond...who knows.

Puckhog04

Yes - and the novelty of a stylus is what's selling the DS...    ...just wait till that has worn off...      ...whenever THAT might be is anyone's guess! :lol:

The GCN was certainly not leading all consoles 4 months after launch - and you can take THAT to the bank.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

It's fairly obvious that the only thing selling the Wii at this point is the Wiimote and the novelty of it with certain games. It's obviously not the games that are selling the console...

When the novelty of the Wiimote has worn off expect the sales to lower a good amount. The GC had high sales at/around launch as well. When the novelty wears off is up in the air...it could be tomorrow or the end of the year or beyond...who knows.

NotThat_basic

Yes - and the novelty of a stylus is what's selling the DS...    ...just wait till that has worn off...      ...whenever THAT might be is anyone's guess! :lol:

The GCN was certainly not leading all consoles 4 months after launch - and you can take THAT to the bank.

It's just an opinion...

I'm sorry if you disagree with it. GC was selling very well when it was released and did for the next few months. Maybe it didn't outsell the others but it was competing against the PS2...i mean, seriously. The games clearly aren't selling the Wii though...and you can take THAT to the bank. :|

My point is that the new way that Nintendo has found to play on a console is what is selling the console, not the games (which are very lacking at this point). IMO the Controller is kind of a gimmick, just as the tilt on the PS3's controller is a gimmick. If anything, the Wiimote is very well done and should be seen as much better than the PS3's for obvious reasons. I'm not stating the novelty will for sure wear off...but it's still a possibility that it does. I'm sorry you disagree and have to react the way you did.

[QUOTE="NotThat_basic"]Yes - and the novelty of a stylus is what's selling the DS...    ...just wait till that has worn off...      ...whenever THAT might be is anyone's guess! :lol:

The GCN was certainly not leading all consoles 4 months after launch - and you can take THAT to the bank.

Puckhog04

It's just an opinion...

I'm sorry if you disagree with it. GC was selling very well when it was released and did for the next few months. Maybe it didn't outsell the others but it was competing against the PS2...i mean, seriously. The games clearly aren't selling the Wii though...and you can take THAT to the bank. :|

My point is that the new way that Nintendo has found to play on a console is what is selling the console, not the games (which are very lacking at this point). IMO the Controller is kind of a gimmick, just as the tilt on the PS3's controller is a gimmick. If anything, the Wiimote is very well done and should be seen as much better than the PS3's for obvious reasons. I'm not stating the novelty will for sure wear off...but it's still a possibility that it does. I'm sorry you disagree and have to react the way you did.

And I'm sorry you took my reaction to indicate I was picking on you - but it's the same sorry tale I've heard a million times on this forum and so, I took a moment to address that. Is that alright that I disagree with your logic? Isn't that why we're all here in the first place?

The GCN was 3rd right out of the starting gate - I think in December of that year is managed to outsell the XBox by a a few thousand, but it then was relegated back to 3rd position from that point forward. There is no way, on God's green earth, that you can try and compare the two launches - it's ludicrous. It couldn't even outsell the higher priced XBox which was MS's first attempt at a videogame console!!!

The Wiimote is selling the system, this is obvious. But it is, in fact, GAMES that are also selling the system. What - do you think people buy their new system to park it under the TV and stare at the pretty blue light that comes on when it powers up??? And regardless on your opinion of the games - I happen to like many of the ones I've played so far. So, I guess that means I disagree with Jeff as well - shall we fight about that too?

In YOUR opinion, the Wiimote is a gimmick - and I happen to disagree. I offered the DS as proof that just because you THINK it's a gimmick, doesn't mean everyone agrees with you (myself, being one of them). Try not to be so defensive - this is a debate forum - expect people to want to debate with you...    ...sometimes with the use of sarcasm! ;)

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"][QUOTE="NotThat_basic"]Yes - and the novelty of a stylus is what's selling the DS...    ...just wait till that has worn off...      ...whenever THAT might be is anyone's guess! :lol:

The GCN was certainly not leading all consoles 4 months after launch - and you can take THAT to the bank.

NotThat_basic

It's just an opinion...

I'm sorry if you disagree with it. GC was selling very well when it was released and did for the next few months. Maybe it didn't outsell the others but it was competing against the PS2...i mean, seriously. The games clearly aren't selling the Wii though...and you can take THAT to the bank. :|

My point is that the new way that Nintendo has found to play on a console is what is selling the console, not the games (which are very lacking at this point). IMO the Controller is kind of a gimmick, just as the tilt on the PS3's controller is a gimmick. If anything, the Wiimote is very well done and should be seen as much better than the PS3's for obvious reasons. I'm not stating the novelty will for sure wear off...but it's still a possibility that it does. I'm sorry you disagree and have to react the way you did.

And I'm sorry you took my reaction to indicate I was picking on you - but it's the same sorry tale I've heard a million times on this forum and so, I took a moment to address that. Is that alright that I disagree with your logic? Isn't that why we're all here in the first place?

The GCN was 3rd right out of the starting gate - I think in December of that year is managed to outsell the XBox by a a few thousand, but it then was relegated back to 3rd position from that point forward. There is no way, on God's green earth, that you can try and compare the two launches - it's ludicrous. It couldn't even outsell the higher priced XBox which was MS's first attempt at a videogame console!!!

The Wiimote is selling the system, this is obvious. But it is, in fact, GAMES that are also selling the system. What - do you think people buy their new system to park it under the TV and stare at the pretty blue light that comes on when it powers up??? And regardless on your opinion of the games - I happen to like many of the ones I've played so far. So, I guess that means I disagree with Jeff as well - shall we fight about that too?

In YOUR opinion, the Wiimote is a gimmick - and I happen to disagree. I offered the DS as proof that just because you THINK it's a gimmick, doesn't mean everyone agrees with you (myself, being one of them). Try not to be so defensive - this is a debate forum - expect people to want to debate with you...    ...sometimes with the use of sarcasm! ;)

I was debating with you and i didn't think you were picking on me...(seriously, what is this? 8th grade?)

I just think that the primary reason for buying a Wii is to play Nintendo's new way of playing these games. Whether or not the games are good is a completely different story. The games that would be considered good are games that work very well with the Wiimote (notice how Zelda isn't really selling all that well...). This supports my theory even further. I do think the Wiimote is a sort of a gimmick in that Nintendo used it as a lure for younger players to get excited about it. Although it's used relatively well in most of the Wii's games, it's used horribly in some (Splinter Cell DA, Farcry, Red Steel, etc.). I do think the price point has a relevancy here as well. It'll be interesting to see if the Wii or the Xbox 360 sells more when/if the Core version of the 360 is scrapped and the Premium is then the $300 Xbox 360. While the scenario i just mentioned would put to rest the price argument, the Wiimote is still there. Whether it's a fad or novelty item to the public is yet to be seen. I don't presume to know the future simply based on the success of a handheld though.

I was debating with you and i didn't think you were picking on me...(seriously, what is this? 8th grade?)

I just think that the primary reason for buying a Wii is to play Nintendo's new way of playing these games. Whether or not the games are good is a completely different story. The games that would be considered good are games that work very well with the Wiimote (notice how Zelda isn't really selling all that well...). This supports my theory even further. I do think the Wiimote is a sort of a gimmick in that Nintendo used it as a lure for younger players to get excited about it. Although it's used relatively well in most of the Wii's games, it's used horribly in some (Splinter Cell DA, Farcry, Red Steel, etc.). I do think the price point has a relevancy here as well. It'll be interesting to see if the Wii or the Xbox 360 sells more when/if the Core version of the 360 is scrapped and the Premium is then the $300 Xbox 360. While the scenario i just mentioned would put to rest the price argument, the Wiimote is still there. Whether it's a fad or novelty item to the public is yet to be seen. I don't presume to know the future simply based on the success of a handheld though.

Puckhog04

Yes - you were debating - but you took a very defensive position. As if I had purposely set my sights on you personally...

I think Zelda is a poor example if only because Nintendo released it on both the Wii (which was (and is) in short supply) and the GCN (which causes consumer confusion as to which they should be buying). Besides, we all know that Zelda was a GCN game with the Wii added to it midway through production. That's not quite the same as a Zelda being built from the ground up - specifically for the Wii.

And then you mention 3 crappy ports and an underrated Red Steel (have you even played this game or are you just going on other people's opinions?). Once again - not very compelling examples of what the Wii can (and will) do.

I don't presume to know the future either, but I certainly wouldn't dismiss a console's future based on launch games that were rushed to market. And, if a console happened to be doing pretty darn good with those half-baked ports - imagine how well it will do when a game like Metroid or Super Mario shows up...    ...the DS launch games were just like this - games with 'tacked on' controls that were dismissed as gimmicks. That's a pretty sound comparison to the Wii situation, no?

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"][QUOTE="NotThat_basic"]Yes - and the novelty of a stylus is what's selling the DS...    ...just wait till that has worn off...      ...whenever THAT might be is anyone's guess! :lol:

The GCN was certainly not leading all consoles 4 months after launch - and you can take THAT to the bank.

NotThat_basic

It's just an opinion...

I'm sorry if you disagree with it. GC was selling very well when it was released and did for the next few months. Maybe it didn't outsell the others but it was competing against the PS2...i mean, seriously. The games clearly aren't selling the Wii though...and you can take THAT to the bank. :|

My point is that the new way that Nintendo has found to play on a console is what is selling the console, not the games (which are very lacking at this point). IMO the Controller is kind of a gimmick, just as the tilt on the PS3's controller is a gimmick. If anything, the Wiimote is very well done and should be seen as much better than the PS3's for obvious reasons. I'm not stating the novelty will for sure wear off...but it's still a possibility that it does. I'm sorry you disagree and have to react the way you did.

And I'm sorry you took my reaction to indicate I was picking on you - but it's the same sorry tale I've heard a million times on this forum and so, I took a moment to address that. Is that alright that I disagree with your logic? Isn't that why we're all here in the first place?

The GCN was 3rd right out of the starting gate - I think in December of that year is managed to outsell the XBox by a a few thousand, but it then was relegated back to 3rd position from that point forward. There is no way, on God's green earth, that you can try and compare the two launches - it's ludicrous. It couldn't even outsell the higher priced XBox which was MS's first attempt at a videogame console!!!

The Wiimote is selling the system, this is obvious. But it is, in fact, GAMES that are also selling the system. What - do you think people buy their new system to park it under the TV and stare at the pretty blue light that comes on when it powers up??? And regardless on your opinion of the games - I happen to like many of the ones I've played so far. So, I guess that means I disagree with Jeff as well - shall we fight about that too?

In YOUR opinion, the Wiimote is a gimmick - and I happen to disagree. I offered the DS as proof that just because you THINK it's a gimmick, doesn't mean everyone agrees with you (myself, being one of them). Try not to be so defensive - this is a debate forum - expect people to want to debate with you...    ...sometimes with the use of sarcasm! ;)

To be fair, the meat of the games that make the DS what it is do not use the touch screen in any meaningful way.  For every Nintendogs, you have multiple Castlevania's, Sonic Rush's, Final Fantasy III's or Advance Wars. In other words, those traditional game are just as important to the DS's success as the few games that really put the touch screen to use, if not more so. If the Wii gets nothing but first party Nintendo games and non games like Sports, and most of the traditonal games go to the traditonal consoles, I really don't care how mant Wiis sell to 80 year old gradmothers, it won't satisfy core gamers.

 Also, given that one of the most important reasons the DS's library is what it is is because this is a Nintendo handheld, the successor to the Gameboy and GBA, I think it quite perilous to start making the same assumptions about what the Wii will achieive just because it's selling nicely four months out.  Consoles are a different beast and given that the Wii is basically a Gamecube with waggle going up against userbases that supported 150 million gamers based on the traditional model, it's a wildcard to make any kinds prediction abut anything on the Wii, including what type of games people buy for it, how many and what type games developers make for it based on those other factors.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

I was debating with you and i didn't think you were picking on me...(seriously, what is this? 8th grade?)

I just think that the primary reason for buying a Wii is to play Nintendo's new way of playing these games. Whether or not the games are good is a completely different story. The games that would be considered good are games that work very well with the Wiimote (notice how Zelda isn't really selling all that well...). This supports my theory even further. I do think the Wiimote is a sort of a gimmick in that Nintendo used it as a lure for younger players to get excited about it. Although it's used relatively well in most of the Wii's games, it's used horribly in some (Splinter Cell DA, Farcry, Red Steel, etc.). I do think the price point has a relevancy here as well. It'll be interesting to see if the Wii or the Xbox 360 sells more when/if the Core version of the 360 is scrapped and the Premium is then the $300 Xbox 360. While the scenario i just mentioned would put to rest the price argument, the Wiimote is still there. Whether it's a fad or novelty item to the public is yet to be seen. I don't presume to know the future simply based on the success of a handheld though.

NotThat_basic

Yes - you were debating - but you took a very defensive position. As if I had purposely set my sights on you personally...

I think Zelda is a poor example if only because Nintendo released it on both the Wii (which was (and is) in short supply) and the GCN (which causes consumer confusion as to which they should be buying). Besides, we all know that Zelda was a GCN game with the Wii added to it midway through production. That's not quite the same as a Zelda being built from the ground up - specifically for the Wii.

And then you mention 3 crappy ports and an underrated Red Steel (have you even played this game or are you just going on other people's opinions?). Once again - not very compelling examples of what the Wii can (and will) do.

I don't presume to know the future either, but I certainly wouldn't dismiss a console's future based on launch games that were rushed to market. And, if a console happened to be doing pretty darn good with those half-baked ports - imagine how well it will do when a game like Metroid or Super Mario shows up...    ...the DS launch games were just like this - games with 'tacked on' controls that were dismissed as gimmicks. That's a pretty sound comparison to the Wii situation, no?

I did play Red Steel and thought that the game was terrible. I prefered to play Farcry Vengeance when i got done with Red Steel. Wiimote is used fairly well but the game itself was terrible.

I'll reserve judgement on whether or not it's a "true" gimmick since the DS is selling well. I still don't think that the DS in anyway justifies that the Wii will keep selling like it is but it's possible. Even if some of these great games like you mention come out i still think that how the Wiimote works with the game is going to be the selling point of these games and the console in the future. That make any sense to you? I'd be curious to see how Super Smash Brawl sells because i heard that it doesn't even use the Wiimote. Heh, who knows.

To be fair, the meat of the games that make the DS what it is do not use the touch screen in any meaningful way.  For every Nintendogs, you have multiple Castlevania's, Sonic Rush's, Final Fantasy III's or Advance Wars. In other words, those traditional game are just as important to the DS's success as the few games that really put the touch screen to use, if not more so. 

 Also, given that one of the most important reasons the DS's library is what it is is because this is a Nintendo handheld, the successor to the Gameboy and GBA, I think it quite perilous to start making the same assumptions about what the Wii will achieive just because it's selling nicely four months out.  Consoles are a different beast and given that the Wii is basically a Gamecube with waggle going up against userbases that supported 150 million gamers based on the traditional model, it's a wildcard to make any kinds prediction abut anything on the Wii, including what type of games people buy for it, how many and what type games developers make for it based on those other factors.

TenaciousD29

I disagree that the main system selling games on the DS are the traditional ones you listed. I'm willing to bet that (FF aside) Brain Training alone sold more DS's than any of those games combined. Those games might be the ones that keep you, me and the rest of the forumites in HERE happy, but those are not the ones that pushed that handheld into so many homes. Take a look at those Japanese charts sometime - you wouldn't BELIEVE the types of games that sell in the millions over there. And, for everyone of those 'traditional' games, I can name you several that DID require a DS (including Advance Wars which would not have been possible without the dual-screen).

And really - I don't want to hear the 'DS is popular because it's a Nintendo handheld' line. Do you know how many times I heard that the PSP would be superiour because of all the rabid Playstation owners out there? But, now that the proof is shown that the DS is a success, it's back to the 'Well, Nintendo has owned the handhelds since the dawn of time, so this is expected'. It wasn't expected. The people in this forum, the reviewers, journalists, business insiders - NONE of them gave Nintendo a chance going up against the PSP. And my, look how that turned out.

I'm not making predictions on anything - I'm stating a very simple fact: You can't dismiss the Wii as a gimmick that will wear off simply because that's how you feel about it. The DS was also a gimmick that was supposed to wear off, but it hasn't - and do you want to take a guess why? Because Nintendo nailed it - people wanted something new, not the same damn thing they've been playing for the past 10 years with prettier graphics. And with the Wii, they're doing it again...

I did play Red Steel and thought that the game was terrible. I prefered to play Farcry Vengeance when i got done with Red Steel. Wiimote is used fairly well but the game itself was terrible.

I'll reserve judgement on whether or not it's a "true" gimmick since the DS is selling well. I still don't think that the DS in anyway justifies that the Wii will keep selling like it is but it's possible. Even if some of these great games like you mention come out i still think that how the Wiimote works with the game is going to be the selling point of these games and the console in the future. That make any sense to you? I'd be curious to see how Super Smash Brawl sells because i heard that it doesn't even use the Wiimote. Heh, who knows.

Puckhog04

Just had to double-check on the Red Steel thing. I've seen many a poster come into this forum and claim the game sucks based on hearsay and never actually playing it. I think it's a 'love it' or 'hate it' game - and now I know which side of the fence you landed on.  ;)

Again - I agree that the DS doesn't justify that the Wii will continue to sell. But I think that it DOES justify that the Wii can't simply be dismissed though, purely on the basis that it's a gimmick. That's all I was getting at...

...God only knows how those games will turn out - or, for that matter, what other new and exciting game might appear on the horizon (Dewey's Adventure has my interest for the moment). But I leave predictions for the analysts so I can make fun of them later.

[QUOTE="Franco-J"][QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]Well I can only wish you luck for one. So what will it be? Wii not selling well into 08 or The Raiders have a good season?Puckhog04

It's fairly obvious that the only thing selling the Wii at this point is the Wiimote and the novelty of it with certain games. It's obviously not the games that are selling the console...

When the novelty of the Wiimote has worn off expect the sales to lower a good amount. The GC had high sales at/around launch as well. When the novelty wears off is up in the air...it could be tomorrow or the end of the year or beyond...who knows.

[QUOTE="NotThat_basic"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

It's fairly obvious that the only thing selling the Wii at this point is the Wiimote and the novelty of it with certain games. It's obviously not the games that are selling the console...

When the novelty of the Wiimote has worn off expect the sales to lower a good amount. The GC had high sales at/around launch as well. When the novelty wears off is up in the air...it could be tomorrow or the end of the year or beyond...who knows.

Puckhog04

Yes - and the novelty of a stylus is what's selling the DS... ...just wait till that has worn off... ...whenever THAT might be is anyone's guess! :lol:

The GCN was certainly not leading all consoles 4 months after launch - and you can take THAT to the bank.

It's just an opinion...

I'm sorry if you disagree with it. GC was selling very well when it was released and did for the next few months. Maybe it didn't outsell the others but it was competing against the PS2...i mean, seriously. The games clearly aren't selling the Wii though...and you can take THAT to the bank. :|

My point is that the new way that Nintendo has found to play on a console is what is selling the console, not the games (which are very lacking at this point). IMO the Controller is kind of a gimmick, just as the tilt on the PS3's controller is a gimmick. If anything, the Wiimote is very well done and should be seen as much better than the PS3's for obvious reasons. I'm not stating the novelty will for sure wear off...but it's still a possibility that it does. I'm sorry you disagree and have to react the way you did.