The PS4 pro thread...pro.

That is funny but ask even Ronvalencia why CU are disable in the first place on consoles,is not to water down specs is to increase yield efficiency and maximise the number of chips they can use,as they pay for the good ones and bad ones.

Keep the dream alive,you people really are invested in Scorpio being much more powerful than the PS4 Pro..lol

After damage controlling 720p game for 3 years..lol

@tormentos nice to you actually read the links.

But if you bother to look at full picture

1 site says

AMD also confirmed that there will be at least two GPUs released under Vega: Vega 10 and Vega 11. This is similar to Polaris, which consists of the Polaris 10 and Polaris 11 GPUs, the latter of which is presumed to be a smaller GPU intended for laptops and mid-range graphics cards.

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Hynix has said that HBM2 will become more available in Q3, which is perfect timing for Vega - but will Vega 10 and Vega 11 use HBM2? Or will Vega 10 be the high-end chip with HBM2 while Vega 11 might drop down to GDDR5 or GDDR5X like the difference between NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070? We will see soon enough.

They are unlikley to swap the naming convention, other wise why use 10 and 11 in the numbering. Come on man at least you can see that.

Other site is most likely wrong, but if your so confident.

My bet still stands

Money

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Stupid act.

You name it and I'm happy to bet it wont be a upclocked 480x like you claim.

If Sony had to gimp the 480 down to 4.2TFLOPS how is MS going to put the full deal into the Scorpio? A stock RX 480 can pull ~165W in gaming, and upwards of ~190W when OC'd.

I heard the pro uses 300 watts of power, what would that mean for someone's electric bill?

I read the link you didn´t and it there is no indication of been Vega.

That is not what your link claim as it claim Vega 10 is 64CU while Vega 11 is 96CU non of the 2 fit Scorpio 6TF criteria.

That is what one of the links thinks will happen not what it will,since HBM2 has much higher bandwidth than GDDR5 it is easy to see that any Vega using GDDR5 will not perform like the one with HBM2,which mean polaris or Vega 6TF will basically yield the same results more or less while Vega would be more expensive which DO MATTER TO MS.

Oh please to with the betting no one want to bet with your pathetic alt account.

It doesn´t even have to be an upclock RX480 since a refresh can be 6TF without OC also since Phil Spèncer claim 6TF machine it would also mean RX480 stock + The flops of the CPU and there you have it 6TF machine,MS wording is magic and they have lie more than a few times this gen about power,DX12,the cloud all that shit that failed to deliver.

Sony didn't have to,the PS4 memory is basically the same,having a full RX480 will not yield results the PC version would have any way with 224GB/s total.

Second i don't it was in sony's best interest to run the GPU at full speed just like they didn't do it with the PS4.

The xbox one was HUGE and had a huge fan to and no internal PSU,a console like that can fit more easy something with more heat.

Yeah and will have Vega which god only knows how hot it runs and with 64CU which is way over 6TF in performance.

Using Vega make no sense it will cost MS more,and only to have it water down to polaris 10 spec,also MS Phil Spencer talked about a 6TF machine several times referring to Scorpio and not 6TF GPU,which could mean the system total is 6TF,hell it even make sense as 320GB/s it TOTAL Bandwidth and 12GB of memory it total system memory,so maybe the GPU is not even 6TF but combined with the CPU it arrived at 6TF.

You do realise that anyone posting anything about Vega, is guessing at this point. Educated guesses would include using the same numbering scheme which would point to Vega 11 existing and being a smaller chip.

To summarise (cos I cant be bothered going over and over).

In the red corner we have @tormentos claiming

The Scorpio will use a 480x GPU running at normal speed, reaching 5.8Tflops OR AMD will add to their roadmap with a suprise refresh of the 480x and Scorpio will use that.

Microsoft are mis leading people by saying 6TF machine when in fact it wont be a 6TF GPU.

Microsoft are waiting a whole year to release a console with hardware that is available now and has been for a year or so (had to be for PS4 PRO to use it).

Microsoft are idiots had no clue about the PS4 Pro until this year and have just started development and thats why its delayed.

Scorpio will be a more expensive console that PS4 Pro even though hardware available now will be cheaper come next year.

In the Blue corner we have me claiming

Microsoft will utlise a VEGA type GPU, possibly a Vega 11.

Microsoft knew about PS4 pro last year at the latest.

Scorpio will be more expensive becuase it will use newer hardware than out today.

Microsoft decided to wait instead of releasing a console similar to PS4 Pro this year. Which is a gamble.

The GPU will be at least 6TF

Microsoft messed up Xbox One launch but will bring it with scorpio. Cant afford to do badly this time.

Do you agree the summaries fit our thoughts. Cos then we can just wait and see, your a wimp and not willing to back up your claims so laughter at the person who is wrong will just have to do.

I'm also glad they aren't shit talking like Sony was doing in their ads.

I agree with this. In three years they basically go from a 7850 to a 7970ghz and the same cpu just clocked higher (pretty pathetic for three year jump, especially considering the ps4 was considered lower mid level when it came out).

Exclusives and games this generation have been terrible also (overrated and over-hyped games like the order 1866, the division, titanfall, dying light, halo 5, watchdogs....ect have all plagued the industry).

I remember the last 6 months of 2001 the ps2 released Metal Gear solid 2, Jak and Daxter, Final fantasy 10, GTA 3, Twisted Metal Black, and Gran Turismo 3.

You could EASILY argue that 6 months of a single console is superior to almost 3 years of two consoles combined....... (thats how pathetic games/exclusives are now a days).

If you don't have the games or physical hardware, what exactly are you offering the enthusiast/hardcore gamer ? (I agree 100% with you, hardcore gaming is becoming a thing of the past).

No Vega is 64CU confirmed any other version i don't know maybe those are assumption,but the Vega we know about it is confirmed to have 64CU.

A surprise refresh...hahahhaa

7870,R9 270,R370... The same shity all 3.. So stop and open your eyes the 7870 got 2 refresh man counting the 7870 there are 3 models of the same card basically 2 of them refresh.

AMD Radeon R7 370: Pitcairn Returns (Again and Again and Again)

In March of 2012, more than three years ago, Pitcairnfirst saw the light of day. It was in a card called theRadeon HD 7850 back then, and it later resurfaced as the R7 270. Pitcairn continues life as the Radeon R7 370. No longer content to rename just its products, AMD is renaming GPUs as well. This one is being referred to as Trinidad.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-r9-390x-r9-380-r7-370,4178.html

The article is actually wrong because it call the 7850 when it is 7870 which is the one with 20CU.

So drop it dude i am sure there will be a refresh 480,even if it is call Vega,and if in fact Vega has a 36CU version it would be 100% a refresh with just a difference name specially if it is GDDR5 and not HBM2.

Yeah because MS would never mislead people right.?

Albert Penello

People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80168873&postcount=708

Tell the PS4 is not 40+% more powerful than the XBO,go ahead and deny it,because Albert Panello ^^ up there on its own account on NeoGaf was misleading people to believe that the xbox one didn't have a performance gap of 30% or more.

Should i quote DX12 supposed gains on xbox one.? Should i quote the infinite power of the cloud.?

Get your head out of MS ass they have mislead people since before the generation even started...

So excuse me if i have doubts about how they say things,not to mention the countless PR about sales,""best selling xbox one game to release on a Friday night on a rainy day with full moon"".

Just to make people believe it was a hit or the $400 millions in Halo shit which was shipped to retailers and they wanted to mislead people into think it was actual sales in the first days,when NPD arrived Halo 5 under performed badly vs Halo 3 which release on the same time frame on a smaller 360 user base.

They were catch offguard and this is the same company who rushed its console and had the worse fail rate ever recorded on the console market just to beat sony to the market.

I am sure that if they could they would chose a 1 year head start vs a more powerful machine,that is how their first loss came,in fact even if they found out last year,that put them on a disadvantage as sony work was already on the way and it shows,hell work on Pro started on 2013 after the PS4 release already confirmed by one of sony own.

Hardware available now will be cheaper next year but 12GB of memory will not be cheaper than 8 GB of memory when they are GDDR5 hell if scorpio uses GDDR5X ever worse.

Having a stronger GPU also mean better cooling and knowing MS bigger design.

If MS found out even on 2014 they were late already.

A gamble that backfire already people didn't care about the OG xbox super power the PS2 walked all over it.

Not to mention how the wii walked over both PS3 and 360 as well,power doesn't warranty success.

Wow, that really sucks for PS fans. Not a good time for them for sure. No games, and a POS console that is dated before it's out. It can't even do COD at 60fps, lol.

@tormentos I'm not interested in continuing conversation, you have your views as I summarised. I have mine.

We shall see who is right later.

moving on.

Fair enough.

I will put my money on the guy in the blue corner, the guy in the red corner looks very weak!

The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular culture symbols representing the choice between embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red pill) and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill

Since lemmings like you and him fell for DX12 and the cloud,i am not surprise to see you take the blue pill,lemmings live in fantasy island.

I only read some of the previous comments so if I repeat then all sincere apologies ahead of time.

1. No native 4K output due to its inferior hardware. No patch can fix this.

2. No 4K disc player. Even the One S has this. This is a major flaw as 4K streaming is in its infancy. Sony has no 4K movies to stream and Netflix is just getting started. I guess you need a pretty hefty internet speed to stream 4K. It is the future but Microsoft can accommodate right now.

3. Sony's old mistakes from the PS3 days have finally caught up to them. It was only a matter of time that they would trip themselves up and stumble again. The companies finances reflect this too. Taking short cuts in cheap materials and leaving key components out will only leave people pissed off. How you feeling? Sad? Hurt? Angry? Want to trash your basement? I understand. Not really.

4. Bring back FoxbatAlpha.

Phil Spencer specifically said that they could have released a new console this year but the parts they wanted to use were not available yet. Sounds to me they will be using some form of Vega. Would be cool if they get Zen in there too but doubt it. Also wouldn't be surprised if Scorpio ends up being higher than 6TF. Just so they can say "oh look...we were able to cram this amount in there instead".

I mean personally I would intentionally low ball my machine if I was gonna announce it 18 months before launch lol.

1-Are you describing the XBO.? 720p weak ass GPU sounds like it.

2- 20 million xbox gamers don't have it,so is not like it is standard,and since you people don't like HD movies that is what i learn from the first 8 years of last gen you know when the PS3 pioneer 1080p for movies and make blu-ray standard remember? Yeah back then the cries of the likes of you was Blu-ray wasn't need it and no one wanted to re buy its movies in 1080p..Now apply that to the xbox one.

Major flaw is not been able to run Doom even at 900p and with stable frames..lol shitty XBOS..lol

3- https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames

Step into reality the PS3 days are gone and the Pro is smoking the xbox one S on amazon since it was officially reveal,oh and at $100 more....

The XBOs can't beat the pro at $400 imagine what will happen when Scorpio release for $150 more..lol

4-NO you already have that account keep using it.

I was looking at an image on the front page of GS and I realised, the PS4 Pro, does look okay, as long as it's not in black. I think it could do bright party colours well, red, green, blue, yellow etc.

I don't know what Sony was thinking going from the PS4 design. Just adding another slab is NOT a solution, it's what someone does in Photoshop for a joke.

Let's give it a trial run of coming off the sticky leash. This will be reinstated if the shitposting gets too wild again.

@darkspineslayer: Lol, so now valid criticism is shit posting? Where was that excuse when Buncha got overruled on his sticky?

@iandizion713: What the hell are you talking about?

@darkspineslayer: Buncha had to lock the Nintendo shitposting and was overruled. They said valid criticism didnt need to be locked and no need for a sticky. Then when the PS4 shat happened, the stuff that Buncha locked that was unlocked had to be re-locked. Buncha won the war. It was beautiful.

@iandizion713: This thread was a response to the board being flooded with fanboy wars and threads with little unique discussion value. Had nothing to do with my thoughts on the pro.

I don't know what you think this was, but feel free to reach out to @digitaldame if you're going to insist on there being some sinister intention.

@darkspineslayer: No need, i agree with the creation of a safe space. I just wish yall had made us one when we got shitposted on. At least Buncha tried though.

@HalcyonScarlet: the pro is just straight up ugly

lol

poor cows, put em down gently guys...

@lamprey263: I'm reporting you for Animal Cruelty.

Is the PS4 Pro a worthy upgrade to someone who has the PS4?

If I have a PC with PS4 graphics, would I upgrade the graphics card to PS4 Pro level?

I suppose it's different on the PC, because you can choose something a little bit more substantial, but what does anyone else think?

Oh please get over it. Temporary stickies are used when the board begins to get flooded by threads on very similar topics, once the tide of threads subsides they come down. No one was overuled.

If you have a 4K HDR TV or intend to buy PSVR yes it's definitely a great upgrade. If you're just playing games in 1080p I would say no, not at all worth a whole new console for the marginal benefits you'll get.

It still atonishes me that Sony prefered to pay attention to the minority who want 4K30, instead of the 99% of their comunity who have been asking for 1080p60 since forever. For me:

1080p60 for all games - day one

4K30 + the obvious visual downgrade - no buy

O i am over it. What is done is done.

It might yet turn out that all/most new games will be 1080p 60fps on the Pro anyway, we don't know yet. Sony talking about nothing but 4K and HDR during their show doesn't necessarily bode ill for 1080p improvements, it just shows they are really, really shit at selling their product.

seriously doubt that, either they'll be 30fps or severely downgraded in terms of object counts, shadows, draw distance, allowing the poor cpu to run titles at 60fps

Well, to be fair many PS4 games already run at 60fps (all multiplayer games and some sp ones), so the extra GPU 2TF and 30% CPU increase would be enough to run everything at stable 60fps. On the top of that, it's far more demanding to reach 4K30 than 1080p60.

It's a matter of priorities, which Sony apparently have very wrong.

very few sp ones, doom(which isn't detail rich or runs complex physics etc), multiplayer ones are extremely downgraded, just compare uc4 sp vs mp. The extra gpu power does nothing for fps if you hit cpu bottleneck. Sure 4k at 30fps is more demanding than 1080p 60fps, but going from 1080p 30fps to 4k 30fps is the exact same in cpu demand when viewport remains the same, going from 30fps to 60fps is nearly double the cpu demand, regardless of resolution. You take a cpu heavy game like Gta V or Witcher3, 30% clock speed increase on cpu is not getting you to 60fps on console, even on 1080p.

Tomb Raider for example is coming with a 1080p performance mode for the ps4 pro, it will have stripped down visuals and runs on unlocked fps, which is supposedly 45+ mostly, not capped 60.

@howmakewood:

That's all a bit subjective. Battlefield series are also very CPU demanding and DICE still managed to run them at 60fps with 64players online, this generation.

We all know that framerates are more up to the CPU, and resolutions related to GPU, but devs always manage to handle these tradeoffs pretty well. That's why we have had 1080p30 OR 900p60.

As for super demanding games, like The Witcher 3, i believe that with optimization, CDPR could do close to the 60fps with the Pro. But then again, i would prefer a game like that to run at 1080p50/60 than to run at (upscaled) 4k20/30, any day.

@PAL360: Battlefront wasn't cpu demanding title(you can reach 80fps+ with a goddamn pentium G3258), neither will Battlefield 1 be.

LOL don't get rid of that avatar anyway. Its a great game.

@howmakewood: Then forget that example and think of any other. There are dozens of them.

My point is that, despite the fact framerate is directly related with CPU, devs always find ways to trade resolution for framerate and vice versa.

Going with 1080p60 instead of upscaled 4k30 must be no different than choosing 900p60 over 1080p30, like have been happening this entire gen.

Sony must have hired the lead designer from Gilette

PS4 Mach 3? :-P

Aren't there going to be games which use the powah for graphics and not just resolution?

Hopefully they'll come out with the Turbo edition someday.

Preordered. I can't wait to play FF15 on this bad boy. I hope the games are actually rendered at 2160p and upscaled to 4K rather than 1440p.