The ULTIMATE LAIR - KAMEO comparisson

[QUOTE="sharky_dkb"]

I'd like to remind everyone of a little word called "scale".

 

Kameo: O

Lair: O

project343

True, but this is all on the ground. A lot of them just stand there waiting to be killed. I'm not saying the ground units in Lair are doing anything, but there's stuff going on everywhere. That video of the huge water snake? There's still crap going on behind them 

[QUOTE="project343"][QUOTE="sharky_dkb"]

I'd like to remind everyone of a little word called "scale".

 

Kameo: O

Lair: O

sharky_dkb

True, but this is all on the ground. A lot of them just stand there waiting to be killed. I'm not saying the ground units in Lair are doing anything, but there's stuff going on everywhere. That video of the huge water snake? There's still crap going on behind them

that's simply not true.  you obviously haven't played Kameo.  the armies fight each other the whole time. 

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Catastrophe123"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

Kameo has bad AF ? Show us a pic then proving it. Also i can give you ONE thing that look on par with Kameo quality graphics, that huge worm monsters does look next gen, the dragon, hero, mountain, ocean etc look like low resolution jokes though, even in those "better" supposdly pics

 

The pics are not all off screen, and in fact kameo look far better than those low res ones, but the high res ones look better anyway, lair has bad pics. period, i did not post the worst, i tried to post the best actually, if ytou have better, go ahead, be my guest

ddldave

here u go, and this is a pic o kameo which u posted in ur first page btw.

surely you jest. surely.

....wow....

system wars is having a bad day. 

[QUOTE="sharky_dkb"]

I'd like to remind everyone of a little word called "scale".

 

Kameo: O

Lair: O

project343

lair has lots of different AI...enemies fighting each other...... things exploding...all at the same time.

but who cares...its not even out yet!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="project343"][QUOTE="sharky_dkb"]

I'd like to remind everyone of a little word called "scale".

 

Kameo: O

Lair: O

hip-hop-cola

lair has lots of different AI...enemies fighting each other...... things exploding...all at the same time.

but who cares...its not even out yet!!!!!!!

Blah blah blah, Kameo has ALL that,with STUNNING textures, far more on screen at once, far better effects, that is a simple fact

To those that OBVIOUSLY have never seen Kameo in reality, just stop owing yourselves, i just loaded the game, and looks FAR better than any of those pics, its textures and lighting are simply MIND BLOWING, unlike anything i have seen of Lair or HS, to those that say have played Kameo and looks worst, are simply LYING 1000%

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"]no offense but i think u have to be a girlyman to play kameo.ff7isnumbaone

okay, but that's just stupid. you don't know what they hell you're talking about and should stop now.

played it at curciut city. Its not a manly mans game.

lair win everying  else, kameo wins the light effectsflashattackfina

TIP buy glasses, then check Kameo's textures, AA, shaders, effects that are like a generation ahead of Lair's

As for Lair winning in water, you should REALLY play Kameo, not only it is FULLY inetractive, meaning ripples and waves hit averything and bounce back, but ALL charatcers and stuff make waves at once, then it has proper refraction and reflections, Lair's water looks like a joke comparing in detail, overall has a more epic feeling though, i agree to that

[QUOTE="flashattackfina"]lair win everying else, kameo wins the light effectsgreg_splicer

TIP buy glasses, then check Kameo's textures, AA, shaders, effects that are like a generation ahead of Lair's

As for Lair winning in water, you should REALLY play Kameo, not only it is FULLY inetractive, meaning ripples and waves hit averything and bounce back, but ALL charatcers and stuff make waves at once, then it has proper refraction and reflections, Lair's water looks like a joke comparing in detail, overall has a more epic feeling though, i agree to that

Right, nasos. Kameo beats everything.

Kameo KILLS Final Fantasy XIII, right? Didn't you use to make those comparisons? :wink: 

lol i cant believe this thread hasent died yet. These games are way to different to compare. Lair is a very dark gritty game, kameo is colorful. Compare it to ratchet and clank and than it would make a litle more sense.Sully28

Color is one thing, bad textures, shaders, water, AI, shaders on Lair are another, so yes we can compare, as for ... R&C, that has indeed better NPC's than Kameo, but everything else looks so bad it is not even funny, even the grass look unlit, the trees 2D, the buildings a joke, the shaders terrible, and textures a joke too comparing to Kameo, at least Lair does not look THAT bad in surroundings, well at least at some points

Also to those that say Kameo is .. for girls. then i hope you never get to play FF series with the girly charatcers, or ANY OTHER JRPG for that matter, or Zelda or ... you get the point

I think Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo look better than every other 360 gameUKNintendoFreak

Mass Effect is also a stunner, and the latest news of Lost Odyssey suggest the graphics are now, a year and a half after last showing, as good as Gears or better !!!!

Fable 2 also surpasses ALL those games even in this pre-alpha form shown in GDC, with light beams, full 3D grass/trees with individual leaves, full stunning defined shadows, best lighting/HDR EVER etc etc

Alan Wake will be as good as PC version too, and close to what Fable 2 will do, but just not up there

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol i cant believe this thread hasent died yet. These games are way to different to compare. Lair is a very dark gritty game, kameo is colorful. Compare it to ratchet and clank and than it would make a litle more sense.greg_splicer

Color is one thing, bad textures, shaders, water, AI, shaders on Lair are another, so yes we can compare, as for ... R&C, that has indeed better NPC's than Kameo, but everything else looks so bad it is not even funny, even the grass look unlit, the trees 2D, the buildings a joke, the shaders terrible, and textures a joke too comparing to Kameo, at least Lair does not look THAT bad in surroundings, well at least at some points

Also to those that say Kameo is .. for girls. then i hope you never get to play FF series with the girly charatcers, or ANY OTHER JRPG for that matter, or Zelda or ... you get the point

Did you just call Lair's water bad? Its one of the best water graphics I have ever seen in a game. 

Mass Effect is also a stunner, and the latest news of Lost Odyssey suggest the graphics are now, a year and a half after last showing, as good as Gears or better !!!!

Fable 2 also surpasses ALL those games even in this pre-alpha form shown in GDC, with light beams, full 3D grass/trees with individual leaves, full stunning defined shadows, best lighting/HDR EVER etc etc

Alan Wake will be as good as PC version too, and close to what Fable 2 will do, but just not up there

greg_splicer

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol i cant believe this thread hasent died yet. These games are way to different to compare. Lair is a very dark gritty game, kameo is colorful. Compare it to ratchet and clank and than it would make a litle more sense.asdasd

Color is one thing, bad textures, shaders, water, AI, shaders on Lair are another, so yes we can compare, as for ... R&C, that has indeed better NPC's than Kameo, but everything else looks so bad it is not even funny, even the grass look unlit, the trees 2D, the buildings a joke, the shaders terrible, and textures a joke too comparing to Kameo, at least Lair does not look THAT bad in surroundings, well at least at some points

Also to those that say Kameo is .. for girls. then i hope you never get to play FF series with the girly charatcers, or ANY OTHER JRPG for that matter, or Zelda or ... you get the point

Did you just call Lair's water bad? Its one of the best water graphics I have ever seen in a game. 

1. It is NOT interactive, with ripples from every ship etc, Kameo's IS, if monsters get in the water, you get a SWEAT wave parttern, real time changing and calculated real time depending on speed, direction etc

2. It has REFLECTIONS from everyhting, so if a red monster comes in the water, water reflects red

3. It has refractions, distortion of objects below water, i loaded it up today and visited the water temple, so first hand i can tell you, PLAY THE GAME, Lair's water will seem like  joke after the WATER TEMPLE in Kameo

For some reason poeple that have not played the game, think i talk BS, but the truth is this, water in Kameo might not have the scael in Lair, but is trully 10 times more amazing to play with, the fake ripples when a ship was destroyed in Lair seem like a joke comparing to the real time waves in kameo's water

As for the pre-pre-alpha Fable 2 not looking great, allow me to DISAGREE !!! surpasses ALL games even in this pre-alpha form shown in GDC, with light beams, full 3D grass/trees with individual leaves, full stunning defined shadows, best lighting/HDR EVER etc etc

Don't compare cartoon graphics to more realistic graphics that are harder to pull off than cartoony graphics.. you'll find that most people like the cartoony graphics simply because it's alot more colorful and shinyer and pretty compared to that of lairs. You may aswel throw some gears of war shots in there aswell and say kameo has better looking grapthics than gears..Dahaka-UK

wow....that is some great mindless drivel there.  Cartoony or realistic doesn't matter in terms of how demanding a game is on the hardware.  Kameo impliments ALL the tasking additions to a game that would put a strain on the hardware.  HDR,  shaders and particle effects are just a few to mention.  The "look" of the game comes from the textures alone and Kameo's textures are far beyond anything done on the PS3 so far.  Not bad for a game over 1 1/2 years old already.  Change out those cartoony textures with more realistic ones and you'd easily have a game that looks more amazing than what Kameo already does.  

fanboy judge a game by a screenshot

zelda tp  look better than kameo the end

[QUOTE="asdasd"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol i cant believe this thread hasent died yet. These games are way to different to compare. Lair is a very dark gritty game, kameo is colorful. Compare it to ratchet and clank and than it would make a litle more sense.greg_splicer

Color is one thing, bad textures, shaders, water, AI, shaders on Lair are another, so yes we can compare, as for ... R&C, that has indeed better NPC's than Kameo, but everything else looks so bad it is not even funny, even the grass look unlit, the trees 2D, the buildings a joke, the shaders terrible, and textures a joke too comparing to Kameo, at least Lair does not look THAT bad in surroundings, well at least at some points

Also to those that say Kameo is .. for girls. then i hope you never get to play FF series with the girly charatcers, or ANY OTHER JRPG for that matter, or Zelda or ... you get the point

Did you just call Lair's water bad? Its one of the best water graphics I have ever seen in a game.

1. It is NOT interactive, with ripples from every ship etc, Kameo's IS, if monsters get in the water, you get a SWEAT wave parttern, real time changing and calculated real time depending on speed, direction etc

2. It has REFLECTIONS from everyhting, so if a red monster comes in the water, water reflects red

3. It has refractions, distortion of objects below water, i loaded it up today and visited the water temple, so first hand i can tell you, PLAY THE GAME, Lair's water will seem like joke after the WATER TEMPLE in Kameo

For some reason poeple that have not played the game, think i talk BS, but the truth is this, water in Kameo might not have the scael in Lair, but is trully 10 times more amazing to play with, the fake ripples when a ship was destroyed in Lair seem like a joke comparing to the real time waves in kameo's water

As for the pre-pre-alpha Fable 2 not looking great, allow me to DISAGREE !!!

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="asdasd"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol i cant believe this thread hasent died yet. These games are way to different to compare. Lair is a very dark gritty game, kameo is colorful. Compare it to ratchet and clank and than it would make a litle more sense.smokeydabear076

Color is one thing, bad textures, shaders, water, AI, shaders on Lair are another, so yes we can compare, as for ... R&C, that has indeed better NPC's than Kameo, but everything else looks so bad it is not even funny, even the grass look unlit, the trees 2D, the buildings a joke, the shaders terrible, and textures a joke too comparing to Kameo, at least Lair does not look THAT bad in surroundings, well at least at some points

Also to those that say Kameo is .. for girls. then i hope you never get to play FF series with the girly charatcers, or ANY OTHER JRPG for that matter, or Zelda or ... you get the point

Did you just call Lair's water bad? Its one of the best water graphics I have ever seen in a game.

1. It is NOT interactive, with ripples from every ship etc, Kameo's IS, if monsters get in the water, you get a SWEAT wave parttern, real time changing and calculated real time depending on speed, direction etc

2. It has REFLECTIONS from everyhting, so if a red monster comes in the water, water reflects red

3. It has refractions, distortion of objects below water, i loaded it up today and visited the water temple, so first hand i can tell you, PLAY THE GAME, Lair's water will seem like joke after the WATER TEMPLE in Kameo

For some reason poeple that have not played the game, think i talk BS, but the truth is this, water in Kameo might not have the scael in Lair, but is trully 10 times more amazing to play with, the fake ripples when a ship was destroyed in Lair seem like a joke comparing to the real time waves in kameo's water

As for the pre-pre-alpha Fable 2 not looking great, allow me to DISAGREE !!!

basically i can prove to you from the news on the offiacial site, that the engine received its first ever polygon just 3-4 months ago !!! So it might be called actually not even alpha at all, but infant Fable 2 engine, and the grass, 3D trees, lighting/HDR, light beams are already there, imagine that !!! I did not expect any less of course, Fable if not THE BEST, was one of the best looking xbox games, Fable 2 will probably be in the top 5 xbox 360 best looking games in its whole life

[QUOTE="asdasd"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol i cant believe this thread hasent died yet. These games are way to different to compare. Lair is a very dark gritty game, kameo is colorful. Compare it to ratchet and clank and than it would make a litle more sense.greg_splicer

Color is one thing, bad textures, shaders, water, AI, shaders on Lair are another, so yes we can compare, as for ... R&C, that has indeed better NPC's than Kameo, but everything else looks so bad it is not even funny, even the grass look unlit, the trees 2D, the buildings a joke, the shaders terrible, and textures a joke too comparing to Kameo, at least Lair does not look THAT bad in surroundings, well at least at some points

Also to those that say Kameo is .. for girls. then i hope you never get to play FF series with the girly charatcers, or ANY OTHER JRPG for that matter, or Zelda or ... you get the point

Did you just call Lair's water bad? Its one of the best water graphics I have ever seen in a game.

1. It is NOT interactive, with ripples from every ship etc, Kameo's IS, if monsters get in the water, you get a SWEAT wave parttern, real time changing and calculated real time depending on speed, direction etc

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=18555&type=wmv&pl=game 

First 20 seconds is all you need. 

I will make it simple for you, and you only

If Lair is called alpha two months from its release, then what should Fable 2 be called inthose pics, 1.5 year from its release ?

pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha, right ? The "pre" are specific in number too, 9 to be excact

I will make it simple for you, and you only

If Lair is called alpha two months from its release, then what should Fable 2 be called inthose pics, 1.5 year from its release ?

pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha, right ? The "pre" are specific in number too, 9 to be excact

greg_splicer

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

I will make it simple for you, and you only

If Lair is called alpha two months from its release, then what should Fable 2 be called inthose pics, 1.5 year from its release ?

pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha, right ? The "pre" are specific in number too, 9 to be excact

smokeydabear076

Why are you so obsessed with textures? Honestly man, do you that in real life things like the floor and walls do not shine bright like gloss? Stop complaining about a game you will not buy for a system you do not own.Kahuna_1

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]Why are you so obsessed with textures? Honestly man, do you that in real life things like the floor and walls do not shine bright like gloss? Stop complaining about a game you will not buy for a system you do not own.greg_splicer

dude, at first i thought you are only brining up Kameo as a joke to bash Lair, but now you are scaring me.

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]Why are you so obsessed with textures? Honestly man, do you that in real life things like the floor and walls do not shine bright like gloss? Stop complaining about a game you will not buy for a system you do not own.Game13a13y

dude, at first i thought you are only brining up Kameo as a joke to bash Lair, but now you are scaring me.

don't worry, he's always like that. 

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]Why are you so obsessed with textures? Honestly man, do you that in real life things like the floor and walls do not shine bright like gloss? Stop complaining about a game you will not buy for a system you do not own.Game13a13y

dude, at first i thought you are only brining up Kameo as a joke to bash Lair, but now you are scaring me.

first of all... youre comparing games with different artstyle.  2nd kameo looks good because of its vibrant colors(by the way may I add that it has clunkiest controls). 3rd PDO got god awful graphics, its one of the worst looking next gen games. Every thing is super glossy and looks like shiny plastic. 4th Viva Pinata, yet another game with huge bloom effects and vibrant colors(but a great game).

Next time try comparing games with almost the same artstyle. Try ratchet and clank maybe? see how it totally destroys the games you listed on the graphics department. Even Super Mario Galaxy looks better than kameo because of its colorful artstyle. 

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]Why are you so obsessed with textures? Honestly man, do you that in real life things like the floor and walls do not shine bright like gloss? Stop complaining about a game you will not buy for a system you do not own.greg_splicer

dude, at first i thought you are only brining up Kameo as a joke to bash Lair, but now you are scaring me.

if you tried to make an effort to bash Lair for serious purposes, at least use games like GeOW, not Kameo which nobody gives a crap about except you.

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]

R&C > Kameo.

project343

[QUOTE="hip-hop-cola"][QUOTE="project343"][QUOTE="sharky_dkb"]

I'd like to remind everyone of a little word called "scale".

 

Kameo: O

Lair: O

greg_splicer

lair has lots of different AI...enemies fighting each other...... things exploding...all at the same time.

but who cares...its not even out yet!!!!!!!

 its textures and lighting are simply MIND BLOWING

So that explains all your moronic posts. You blew your brain up playing Kameo.

Mass Effect is also a stunner, and the latest news of Lost Odyssey suggest the graphics are now, a year and a half after last showing, as good as Gears or better !!!!

Fable 2 also surpasses ALL those games even in this pre-alpha form shown in GDC, with light beams, full 3D grass/trees with individual leaves, full stunning defined shadows, best lighting/HDR EVER etc etc

Alan Wake will be as good as PC version too, and close to what Fable 2 will do, but just not up there

greg_splicer

:D  Btw, after reading this topic  I've come to realize how absurd SW is.  A person like greg_splicer can argue for HOURS on end about how a game like Goldeneye for N64 looks better than Gears of War.  It's incredibly amusing.

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

Mass Effect is also a stunner, and the latest news of Lost Odyssey suggest the graphics are now, a year and a half after last showing, as good as Gears or better !!!!

Fable 2 also surpasses ALL those games even in this pre-alpha form shown in GDC, with light beams, full 3D grass/trees with individual leaves, full stunning defined shadows, best lighting/HDR EVER etc etc

Alan Wake will be as good as PC version too, and close to what Fable 2 will do, but just not up there

SergeantSnitch

:D  Btw, after reading this topic  I've come to realize how absurd SW is.  A person like greg_splicer can argue for HOURS on end about how a game like Goldeneye for N64 looks better than Gears of War.  It's incredibly amusing.

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

Mass Effect is also a stunner, and the latest news of Lost Odyssey suggest the graphics are now, a year and a half after last showing, as good as Gears or better !!!!

Fable 2 also surpasses ALL those games even in this pre-alpha form shown in GDC, with light beams, full 3D grass/trees with individual leaves, full stunning defined shadows, best lighting/HDR EVER etc etc

Alan Wake will be as good as PC version too, and close to what Fable 2 will do, but just not up there

greg_splicer

:D Btw, after reading this topic I've come to realize how absurd SW is. A person like greg_splicer can argue for HOURS on end about how a game like Goldeneye for N64 looks better than Gears of War. It's incredibly amusing.

i ask all to give up on this thread.....he wont take reasoning or facts. lets all wait til the games is out and quote him to death

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

Mass Effect is also a stunner, and the latest news of Lost Odyssey suggest the graphics are now, a year and a half after last showing, as good as Gears or better !!!!

Fable 2 also surpasses ALL those games even in this pre-alpha form shown in GDC, with light beams, full 3D grass/trees with individual leaves, full stunning defined shadows, best lighting/HDR EVER etc etc

Alan Wake will be as good as PC version too, and close to what Fable 2 will do, but just not up there

SergeantSnitch

:D Btw, after reading this topic I've come to realize how absurd SW is. A person like greg_splicer can argue for HOURS on end about how a game like Goldeneye for N64 looks better than Gears of War. It's incredibly amusing.

I have POSTED pics of Kameo that OWN Lair, i do not see why i should bring up Gears at all

As for "trying to reason" with me, tell me HONESTLY ... do you see the mountain texture in the Lair pics ? Now look at the Kameo ones .... now again HONESTLY tell me that Lair one does not look like garbage comparing

I am eagerly waiting for your answer, since you do not have to reason with me, just answer that simple question

Kameo does not look better than Lair, but I think Bioshock owns it.ATrillionaire

That is the problem, i have PROVEN with pics and argumants that Kameo destroyes Lair, and there is nOT ONE answer why it does not in the whole thread, NOT ONE !!! Meaning clearly everyone accepts the fact, but noone wants to admit it

I unsterstand the HUGE frustration of PS3 only users, that a 2 yo 360 launch game destroys what is though the best looking PS3 game about to release in a month, but really now, grow up, you should never have bought a PS3 in the first place if graphics was important to you, but a 360

As for those that try to inverse the obvious, tell me which Lair pic has just ONE texture better than any on Kameo ? Those Lair mountains look like having 1/10 the resolution and detail of Kameo ones, same for gorund, effects etc

So, since noone ha any argument at all about why Lair is looking better, i cal lthis thred a 1000% win, now you can either

1. Say which parts of lair look any better and which textures (there is none )

2. Or simply own yourselves more with meaningless comments