The whole "we need new consoles now" is just an excuse..

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

JordanizPro

Yeah, but this console generation is ancient, almost 6 years old and developers are having a hard time optimizing these said games to still 'wow' you, millions of dollars and time wasted. With more 'free space' to work on the devs wouldn't have such a hard time optimizing the games, as another guy said in another topic.

Its time for a new gen. And hopefully the death of mediocre, linear, gray and bland shooters, and something new to kick it in popularity.

I care. Lots of people care. This gen is 6 yrs old. Time to start thinking about moving on.

The graphics may wow you, but they sure are hell don't wow me. Struggling for 30 fps at 1280x720 isn't exactly what I like to play at. Just get a paper route this summer and you can buy a $400 system easy next year year if need be. That's what I did before I grew up.

I care. Lots of people care. This gen is 6 yrs old. Time to start thinking about moving on.

The graphics may wow you, but they sure are hell don't wow me. Struggling for 30 fps at 1280x720 isn't exactly what I like to play at. Just get a paper route this summer and you can buy a $400 system easy next year year if need be. That's what I did before I grew up.

There you go just thinkin about graphics.You will pay $400 just to look at something pretty smhJordanizPro

Graphics immerse you more (though a story, pace and atmosphere is unrivaled), and everyone loves eye candy, so do I. That's not a big deal.

What is a big deal is wen you let graphics influence what ever you may judge, without giving it a try. That's a point were you should quit gaming in general, for ever.

I can tell you now... After getting a 50 inch 1080p TV... You can really see how bad these games look now a days. Games that looked really good on my 32 inch LCD now look like poo up-scaled and displayed on 18 extra inches of screen.

The compression of the videos for games is also horrible to look at. PS3 does a better job because it uses blu ray.

It's been time to move on for the past 2 years now.

I can tell you now... After getting a 50 inch 1080p TV... You can really see how bad these games look now a days. Games that looked really good on my 32 inch LCD now look like poo up-scaled and displayed on 18 extra inches of screen.

The compression of the videos for games is also horrible to look at. PS3 does a better job because it uses blu ray.

It's been time to move on for the past 2 years now.

Truth_Hurts_U

That's why i play older consoles on a SDTV. Looks good, it's cheap, and if i want.. well, 'real life' graphics, i'll game on my PC and my 24" monitor.

[QUOTE="Metalscarz"]

I care. Lots of people care. This gen is 6 yrs old. Time to start thinking about moving on.

The graphics may wow you, but they sure are hell don't wow me. Struggling for 30 fps at 1280x720 isn't exactly what I like to play at. Just get a paper route this summer and you can buy a $400 system easy next year year if need be. That's what I did before I grew up.

JordanizPro

Um duh. If I didn't care about graphics, I wouldn't have built a gaming PC, bought a 360 at launch or moved on from my Atari.

I've had this graphical fieldity give or take for 6 years now. It's time to move on.

You really think that devs are suddenly going to make something amazingly innovative gameplay wise when they can barely scrape by with the output were getting on these dinosaurs? Look at the backlash Crysis 2 on consoles gets.

If the devs have more horsepower to pull off the graphics, that leaves them more time to make new assests and perfect gameplay instead of optimizing for a 2005 era mid range PC.

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

JordanizPro

all those are important to me and have nothing to do with looking better.

besides, hardware cost is a drop in the bucket compared to software costs so i would rather play my games on a more powerful console.

3000 post, grats. But on topic... Cool story bro. Maybe i should go back to play PS1 games and feel superior to everyone.GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]3000 post, grats. But on topic... Cool story bro. Maybe i should go back to play PS1 games and feel superior to everyone.JordanizPro

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]3000 post, grats. But on topic... Cool story bro. Maybe i should go back to play PS1 games and feel superior to everyone.GeneralShowzer

I want the gen to last a good while longer(coulpe to 3 years), I'll get better value for $ on my pc if I don't have to upgrade it soon (not sure that I would all if rushed...). Next gen graphics won't be enough of an improvement if we rush imo, we wont be able to see something like the Samaritan demo as gameplay 'til the next, next gen.

Wouldn't it be cool if consolers moved to pc? Then we'd not have to worry about graphics not being pushed anymore 'cause of dated hardware, and rushing to a new 'gen' wouldn't cause us to have another 5 - 8 years of hardware stagnation.

Ok im not too tech savy but how did Rockstar max out the consoles with GTA4 when games like Gears 3,LA Noir,and Uncharted **** on GTA4s graphics but they yet to max out consoles?

JordanizPro

Scale, Those games are practically a corridor compared to GTA, well, not Noir, but it's not insanely pretty anyway, still rockstar's engine seems to make terrible shading on characters.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="JordanizPro"] Your exaggerating.All i said was that Developers can pull off making amazing games on these systems.Just look at Rockstar.They can make fresh fun new games like RDR,GTA4,and LA noir but other developers cant?pleaseJordanizPro

Graphics are the least of my concerns (except for jaggies, I hate them with a passion). Scale and performance are key.

The thing that many people are missing is how much of a need is there for a next gen console. Sure the games could be better, but lets be real, we can say that every year for new hardware. But the need for a new console is definitely not as much as the need for a new one last gen to this current gen.

the truth is that these consoles have very old hardware. i have a crappy 32tv full hd for 5 years now and i still havent seen a good game(not tetris or psn/live games) that plays in 60fps 1080p ,why? because the consoles cant handle it,so in my book consoles of this gen havent age up that well.check gears1 and check gears3 the difference is minimal ,these consoles have nothing to give in terms of power anymore.

after uncharted3 i dont think we will see better games in the teq department and face it it matters.

GTA IV ran with like 20 fps at times on the consoles, and it was a blurry jagged mess. They maxed out the consoles, there and then. GTA V should have been a next gen game...but because these consoles overstay their welcome, we will get a game that either looks the same, or is less open and looks better.GeneralShowzer

the truth is that these consoles have very old hardware. i have a crappy 32tv full hd for 5 years now and i still havent seen a good game(not tetris or psn/live games) that plays in 60fps 1080p ,why? because the consoles cant handle it,so in my book consoles of this gen havent age up that well.check gears1 and check gears3 the difference is minimal ,these consoles have nothing to give in terms of power anymore.

after uncharted3 i dont think we will see better games in the teq department and face it it matters.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="JordanizPro"] Ok im not too tech savy but how did Rockstar max out the consoles with GTA4 when games like Gears 3,LA Noir,and Uncharted **** on GTA4s graphics but they yet to max out consoles?

JordanizPro

Haha, no. In RDR all you did was ride horses in small towns, in GTA IV you drove trough a big open city with tons of cars and pedestrians.

How big it is, it doesn't matter, the pop-ins in RDR were insane, and you only rode horses, in GTA IV you drove cars at high speeds.

There is no magical way that graphics got better, it's just a game on a smaller scale.

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

Lucianu

Yeah, but this console generation is ancient, almost 6 years old and developers are having a hard time optimizing these said games to still 'wow' you, millions of dollars and time wasted. With more 'free space' to work on the devs wouldn't have such a hard time optimizing the games, as another guy said in another topic.

Its time for a new gen. And hopefully the death of mediocre, linear, gray and bland shooters, and something new to kick it in popularity.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

Indie_Hitman

Yeah, but this console generation is ancient, almost 6 years old and developers are having a hard time optimizing these said games to still 'wow' you, millions of dollars and time wasted. With more 'free space' to work on the devs wouldn't have such a hard time optimizing the games, as another guy said in another topic.

Its time for a new gen. And hopefully the death of mediocre, linear, gray and bland shooters, and something new to kick it in popularity.

It's more than just graphics.

console gamers are moaning that DICE are limiting the number of players in BF3 online, or that the game environments are too small, or that the physics engine is too primitive.

That ALL boils down to technical limitations. Generational advancement is so much more than about graphics.

[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Yeah, but this console generation is ancient, almost 6 years old and developers are having a hard time optimizing these said games to still 'wow' you, millions of dollars and time wasted. With more 'free space' to work on the devs wouldn't have such a hard time optimizing the games, as another guy said in another topic.

Its time for a new gen. And hopefully the death of mediocre, linear, gray and bland shooters, and something new to kick it in popularity.

GeneralShowzer

This gen is on its fifth year. I believe if one at least one of the new consoles aren't introduced this year then we will see them right at the beginning of 2012.

I asked you how do costs decrease over time? That's what you said.GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

Lucianu

Yeah, but this console generation is ancient, almost 6 years old and developers are having a hard time optimizing these said games to still 'wow' you, millions of dollars and time wasted. With more 'free space' to work on the devs wouldn't have such a hard time optimizing the games, as another guy said in another topic.

Its time for a new gen. And hopefully the death of mediocre, linear, gray and bland shooters, and something new to kick it in popularity.

We need new consoles because the performance on the current ones suck.

i wouldnt mind seeing new consoles out next year... however my priority for now is building a new gaming rig later on this year so i'll enjoy BF3 at max :P

GTA V should have been to GTA IV, what GTA IV was to San Andreas. GeneralShowzer

Yep we need em.

Its time for a new gen. And hopefully the death of mediocre, linear, gray and bland shooters, and something new to kick it in popularity.

Lucianu

The reason many games on the hi-def consoles are mediocre, linear, grey, and bland is because that's how they're designed and not because the available hardware can't support a different kind of game. You could give developers more powerful tech to work with, and they'd still deliver mediocre, linear, grey, and bland games simply because that's what sells.

they have actually stopped progress.dakan45

Since 2007

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"][QUOTE="Metalscarz"]

I care. Lots of people care. This gen is 6 yrs old. Time to start thinking about moving on.

The graphics may wow you, but they sure are hell don't wow me. Struggling for 30 fps at 1280x720 isn't exactly what I like to play at. Just get a paper route this summer and you can buy a $400 system easy next year year if need be. That's what I did before I grew up.

Metalscarz

Um duh. If I didn't care about graphics, I wouldn't have built a gaming PC, bought a 360 at launch or moved on from my Atari.

I've had this graphical fieldity give or take for 6 years now. It's time to move on.

You really think that devs are suddenly going to make something amazingly innovative gameplay wise when they can barely scrape by with the output were getting on these dinosaurs? Look at the backlash Crysis 2 on consoles gets.

If the devs have more horsepower to pull off the graphics, that leaves them more time to make new assests and perfect gameplay instead of optimizing for a 2005 era mid range PC.

Sooner or later it's gonna hit people that graphics just aren't going to get that much better anymore like it has loads of other people. So yeah, no real point in releasing a new console for a minimal difference. Things like framerate and FPS will improve however.

Sooner or later it's gonna hit people that graphics just aren't going to get that much better anymore like it has loads of other people. So yeah, no real point in releasing a new console for a minimal difference. Things like framerate and FPS will improve however.

Crossel777

Some here must be this gen sheep or something if you think new more powerful consoles have in the past & will in the future only offer shinier visuals - that's far, far from reality. :P

That said, bring on the new consoles holiday 2012 cause this gamer will be more than ready. :D

Well, you're gonna need it sooner or later :P. Seriously though, I agree. New systems aren't getting any cheaper each generation, and I don't see how games can get any more advanced other than better graphics (nowdays, this gen just seems more convenient more than innovative). DethSkematik