The whole "we need new consoles now" is just an excuse..

I care. Lots of people care. This gen is 6 yrs old. Time to start thinking about moving on.

The graphics may wow you, but they sure are hell don't wow me. Struggling for 30 fps at 1280x720 isn't exactly what I like to play at. Just get a paper route this summer and you can buy a $400 system easy next year year if need be. That's what I did before I grew up.

So will I. So will a lot of people. Look how many people still buy and play PS2s.MrSelf-Destruct

Well that's because the PS2 is the greatest console of all times, bar none, the only console that can begin to compare is the SNES.

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"][QUOTE="Metalscarz"]

I care. Lots of people care. This gen is 6 yrs old. Time to start thinking about moving on.

The graphics may wow you, but they sure are hell don't wow me. Struggling for 30 fps at 1280x720 isn't exactly what I like to play at. Just get a paper route this summer and you can buy a $400 system easy next year year if need be. That's what I did before I grew up.

Bread_or_Decide

Indeed, I can't think of a single game where the motion controller significantly improved the experience if at all. In fact, some of the best Wii games would have played better with a classic DA controller (SMG 1/2 for example).

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]So will I. So will a lot of people. Look how many people still buy and play PS2s.Lucianu

Well that's because the PS2 is the greatest console of all times, bar none, the only console that can begin to compare is the SNES.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="JordanizPro"] There you go just thinkin about graphics.You will pay $400 just to look at something pretty smhFilthybastrd

Indeed, I can't think of a single game where the motion controller significantly improved the experience if at all. In fact, some of the best Wii games would have played better with a classic DA controller (SMG 1/2 for example).

You do realize more powerful technology opens up new gameplay possibilities, right? It's not just about better resolutions and textures.

jjccjj92

[QUOTE="jjccjj92"]

You do realize more powerful technology opens up new gameplay possibilities, right? It's not just about better resolutions and textures.

PA_DUTCH

Here's one: Crysis 2. That game would have benefitted from not having to run on hardware that could'nt handle it's 07 predecessor.

Of course it is! Best library ever. ;) I'm just making the point that moving on to a new generation doesn't necessarily mean we'll have to abandon the old one. As long as people keep buying current consoles I don't see why devs wouldn't keep supporting them. I don't expect a new PS for at least a couple years, and by then the PS3 will have built up a pretty worthy library of games. Its not like people with PS3s will be left in the dust. MrSelf-Destruct

Yeah, i know, that's why i don't get why people wouldn't want a new generation already. Like i said before, if some started gaming late this gen., then they have a lot of catching up to do, right? It's not like anyone forces them to change to a new console, it's their choice, and it's pretty much fact that Sony is not going to drop support for the PS3 (dunno about Ninty,, and i don't care about M$). They didn't drop support for the PS1 (they continued to make games up until 2005), and they didn't drop support for the PS2 ('till this day, afaik).

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="110million"]
I don't think the Nintendo will manage to improve their image.

110million

Look what they did going from Gamecube to Wii. That grabbed a COMPLETELY new gaming crowd. They DESTROYED the console war with INFERIOR hardware. You really don't think Nintendo is going to try and grab back the snes(hardcore type) crowd? Now, that just wouldn't make sense if they didn't. With the right hardware, all 3rd parties will want to work with Nintendo because they are the premier name in videogames again.

* Whats the point of the Wii getting those multiplats if you'll buy them on another platform anyways? Its not the hardware that is stopping it

* The Wiimote works well, what you talking about? We don't wanna be stuck with the same old dated gamepad

[QUOTE="PA_DUTCH"][QUOTE="jjccjj92"]

You do realize more powerful technology opens up new gameplay possibilities, right? It's not just about better resolutions and textures.

Filthybastrd

Here's one: Crysis 2. That game would have benefitted from not having to run on hardware that could'nt handle it's 07 predecessor.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="JordanizPro"] There you go just thinkin about graphics.You will pay $400 just to look at something pretty smhFilthybastrd

Indeed, I can't think of a single game where the motion controller significantly improved the experience if at all. In fact, some of the best Wii games would have played better with a classic DA controller (SMG 1/2 for example).

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]Of course it is! Best library ever. ;) I'm just making the point that moving on to a new generation doesn't necessarily mean we'll have to abandon the old one. As long as people keep buying current consoles I don't see why devs wouldn't keep supporting them. I don't expect a new PS for at least a couple years, and by then the PS3 will have built up a pretty worthy library of games. Its not like people with PS3s will be left in the dust. Lucianu

Yeah, i know, that's why i don't get why people wouldn't want a new generation already. Like i said before, if some started gaming late this gen., then they have a lot of catching up to do, right? It's not like anyone forces them to change to a new console, it's their choice, and it's pretty much fact that Sony is not going to drop support for the PS3 (dunno about Ninty,, and i don't care about M$). They didn't drop support for the PS1 (they continued to make games up until 2005), and they didn't drop support for the PS2 ('till this day, afaik).

I care. Lots of people care. This gen is 6 yrs old. Time to start thinking about moving on.

The graphics may wow you, but they sure are hell don't wow me. Struggling for 30 fps at 1280x720 isn't exactly what I like to play at. Just get a paper route this summer and you can buy a $400 system easy next year year if need be. That's what I did before I grew up.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="PA_DUTCH"] ur not talking about move and kinect are you? how about some examples? LBP maybe?MrSelf-Destruct

Here's one: Crysis 2. That game would have benefitted from not having to run on hardware that could'nt handle it's 07 predecessor.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="110million"]
I don't think the Nintendo will manage to improve their image.

110million

Look what they did going from Gamecube to Wii. That grabbed a COMPLETELY new gaming crowd. They DESTROYED the console war with INFERIOR hardware. You really don't think Nintendo is going to try and grab back the snes(hardcore type) crowd? Now, that just wouldn't make sense if they didn't. With the right hardware, all 3rd parties will want to work with Nintendo because they are the premier name in videogames again.

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Here's one: Crysis 2. That game would have benefitted from not having to run on hardware that could'nt handle it's 07 predecessor.

PA_DUTCH

To the people saying they just got a console... You have many years of games to catch up on. So what if there is a new console? They will still make games a few years after as well.

So let us have our new consoles and you can catch up on the last 5 years. I already been there and done that... I don't need to suffer with this gen any longer.

Anyone saying graphics wont get better... LOL please... You must not have seen any current PC games for this year or the new tech demos. GPU and CPU makers continue to improve hardware. Who thought that the first CPU was good enough? Or the first graphics card? Anyone saying that games wont improve really have no clue at all.

Truth_Hurts_U

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Graphics have proved to be more immersive this gen than motion controllers. In fact nothing takes me out of the game more than all of the hand gestures that motion games require. LastRambo341

Indeed, I can't think of a single game where the motion controller significantly improved the experience if at all. In fact, some of the best Wii games would have played better with a classic DA controller (SMG 1/2 for example).

No, but it would have improved the gameplay unless you think picking up crystals with the pointer was innovative and fun.

[QUOTE="PA_DUTCH"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Totally. Console only gamers don't realize how bad that game was gimped. The open world was traded in for smaller areas, the abilities were all toned down (sprint was a freaking joke), and the destruction was almost completely removed. I liked how in Crysis 1 I could punch through a wall to nab a soldier on the other side. Made that suit worth wearing. Crysis 2 is more of a stealth game than anything else. MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Indeed, I can't think of a single game where the motion controller significantly improved the experience if at all. In fact, some of the best Wii games would have played better with a classic DA controller (SMG 1/2 for example).

Filthybastrd

No, but it would have improved the gameplay unless you think picking up crystals with the pointer was innovative and fun.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Indeed, I can't think of a single game where the motion controller significantly improved the experience if at all. In fact, some of the best Wii games would have played better with a classic DA controller (SMG 1/2 for example).

Filthybastrd

No, but it would have improved the gameplay unless you think picking up crystals with the pointer was innovative and fun.

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Look what they did going from Gamecube to Wii. That grabbed a COMPLETELY new gaming crowd. They DESTROYED the console war with INFERIOR hardware. You really don't think Nintendo is going to try and grab back the snes(hardcore type) crowd? Now, that just wouldn't make sense if they didn't. With the right hardware, all 3rd parties will want to work with Nintendo because they are the premier name in videogames again.

Heirren

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

[QUOTE="PA_DUTCH"] So the new gameplay would have been punching through walls and sprinting? Too bad they couldn't figure out how to do that on consoles...PA_DUTCH

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="PA_DUTCH"] ur not talking about move and kinect are you? how about some examples? LBP maybe?MrSelf-Destruct

Here's one: Crysis 2. That game would have benefitted from not having to run on hardware that could'nt handle it's 07 predecessor.

I for one can't help but notice all the little copromises all over the place. Piles of placeholder tex, erhm leaves that look terrible and out of place. The clear impression that vertically scaling anything is entirely a matter of the game wanting you to do so. Limited physics, invisible walls, glitchy AI (walk right up and pop three enemies in the head before they can react glitchy).....

Cool game, just don't think of it as Crysis. I think people underestimate the impact of graphics not to mention that computational power does'nt stop at producing impressive screenshots.

The Wiimote works well, what you talking about? We don't wanna be stuck with the same old dated gamepadLastRambo341

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Here's one: Crysis 2. That game would have benefitted from not having to run on hardware that could'nt handle it's 07 predecessor.

Filthybastrd

I for one can't help but notice all the little copromises all over the place. Piles of placeholder tex, erhm leaves that look terrible and out of place. The clear impression that vertically scaling anything is entirely a matter of the game wanting you to do so. Limited physics, invisible walls, glitchy AI (walk right up and pop three enemies in the head before they can react glitchy).....

Cool game, just don't think of it as Crysis. I think people underestimate the impact of graphics not to mention that computational power does'nt stop at producing impressive screenshots.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Totally. Console only gamers don't realize how bad that game was gimped. The open world was traded in for smaller areas, the abilities were all toned down (sprint was a freaking joke), and the destruction was almost completely removed. I liked how in Crysis 1 I could punch through a wall to nab a soldier on the other side. Made that suit worth wearing. Crysis 2 is more of a stealth game than anything else. MrSelf-Destruct

I for one can't help but notice all the little copromises all over the place. Piles of placeholder tex, erhm leaves that look terrible and out of place. The clear impression that vertically scaling anything is entirely a matter of the game wanting you to do so. Limited physics, invisible walls, glitchy AI (walk right up and pop three enemies in the head before they can react glitchy).....

Cool game, just don't think of it as Crysis. I think people underestimate the impact of graphics not to mention that computational power does'nt stop at producing impressive screenshots.

Yeah, they did do rather weird things. I prefer to think of it as pretty good AI that had to deal with too much freedom, eventhough that's probaby cutting it a little too much slack ;) At least they were good at using grenades and everyone was a first class sniper, even if using a handgun half a mile away.

At least they were good at using grenades and everyone was a first class sniper, even if using a handgun half a mile away.Filthybastrd

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]The Wiimote works well, what you talking about? We don't wanna be stuck with the same old dated gamepad110million

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"]The Wiimote works well, what you talking about? We don't wanna be stuck with the same old dated gamepadLastRambo341

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"]The Wiimote works well, what you talking about? We don't wanna be stuck with the same old dated gamepadLastRambo341

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="110million"] Who is "we" exactly? I'm sure most people are perfectly satisfied with 360 and PS3 controllers. The IR pointer is slow and clunky for FPS, its pretty horrible in goldeneye, analogs work better for console FPS. Other than A and B, and C/Z on the nunchuck, there aren't any other buttons that you can comfortably push without moving your entire hand. The - and + buttons are pretty stiff, so you can't exactly use them for quick motions. Mario Galaxy makes almost no use of the wii-mote, outside spinning, and I'm sure if you pushed a button to spin, the game would have had an equal amount of popualrity, the game would work just as well as it currently does with a gamepad. This is nintendo's biggest game, and it doesn't even really use the wii-mote. They know their own technology was mostly made to play party games. 110million

That's the whole thing right there. For most games the Wii mote just doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE="110million"]as long as the controls make sense for the particular gameMrSelf-Destruct

That's the whole thing right there. For most games the Wii mote just doesn't make sense.

Yep. Stuff like Donkey Kong Country Returns, which is one of my favorite Wii games plays like a NES game in terms of controls. This would work 100% as well on PS3/360.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] SMG can't be played with a gamepad, neither rail shooters or games like Red Steel and FPSes (although those play with the gamepad, they're imprecise)LastRambo341

No, but it would have improved the gameplay unless you think picking up crystals with the pointer was innovative and fun.

Yet SMG would have played better with a classic controller even if you can't use one. The design template is that of Spyro, Crash, Croc none of which used or had any need for motion controls. Spinning would have worked better with a button and I for one could have lived without those starbit thingies even being in the game. SMG is'nt even built around making good use of the Wii.

The bolded part is an interesting point. SMG sort of does use the Wii-mote because it needs a reason to exist in the first place ;)

The bolded part is an interesting point. SMG sort of does use the Wii-mote because it needs a reason to exist in the first place ;)

Filthybastrd

Its like they know they are selling gimmicks and they want to attract audiance with them, but not actually use them.

Developers are always the first to cry about consol limitations, and soon after they will cry about new hardware being expensive/hard to work for. Some developers needs to learn how to optimize stuff better, hell we have Uncharted and Gears of War looking butter smooth you don't see them complaining about the hardware.Jynxzor

Not all devs create linear corridor shooters liek UC2 and GeoOW3

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] If you're that happy you would play your games, and not barging in every damn unrelated thread to call PC gamers elitist and whinners. If you ask me, it's insecurity.locopatho

Nobody just builds a gaming PC without liking PC gaming in the first place, its a significant investment so I dont beleive you. Also I lol at the irony of consolers saying they dont need new consoles yet, then complain when the console version of BF3 wont have 64 players or look as good; you cant have your cake and eat it too.

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] * As a guy who has been playing the Wii since Summer 2007, I disagree. The Wiimote is actually more precise and deserves a lot more credit. Just because you're bad at using it/ didn't set the sensitivity and sensor bar well doesn't mean that they're horrible. You're talking as if its a painful process pressing the buttons, which isn't * If becoming stuck with the ancient gamepad is cool, then I guess we should be stuck with SD graphics, right? How can you collect starbits with the gamepad? Exactly. It would have been BORING to play with the gamepad. They know its made for party games? Ya ok. Looks like we have an undercover Nintendo employee hereMrSelf-Destruct

That's the whole thing right there. For most games the Wii mote just doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="110million"] Who is "we" exactly? I'm sure most people are perfectly satisfied with 360 and PS3 controllers. The IR pointer is slow and clunky for FPS, its pretty horrible in goldeneye, analogs work better for console FPS. Other than A and B, and C/Z on the nunchuck, there aren't any other buttons that you can comfortably push without moving your entire hand. The - and + buttons are pretty stiff, so you can't exactly use them for quick motions. Mario Galaxy makes almost no use of the wii-mote, outside spinning, and I'm sure if you pushed a button to spin, the game would have had an equal amount of popualrity, the game would work just as well as it currently does with a gamepad. This is nintendo's biggest game, and it doesn't even really use the wii-mote. They know their own technology was mostly made to play party games. MrSelf-Destruct

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

JordanizPro

The same thing could be said for PC. What would an upgraded PC do that past ones can't, aside from better graphics?