The whole "we need new consoles now" is just an excuse..

Keep this console gen for years. We JUST got Red Dead Redemption, a massive, open world, gorgeous game with great physics and tons of stuff happening on screen, and online modes. How is that game possible, and yet we have other devs complaining?locopatho

The only devs I hear complaining are the ones that dev for pc, and they blame console tech.TheMoreYouOwn

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Keep this console gen for years. We JUST got Red Dead Redemption, a massive, open world, gorgeous game with great physics and tons of stuff happening on screen, and online modes. How is that game possible, and yet we have other devs complaining?110million

I only ever hear PC people complaining.locopatho

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]I only ever hear PC people complaining.locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="110million"] Because people who eat only at McDonalds would never complain about the quality of a steak.

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Blah blah blah the usual thing. I'm happy with all the amazing games I'm getting, PC people whining all day long despite being on your "super" platform won't change that :Dlocopatho

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Blah blah blah the usual thing. I'm happy with all the amazing games I'm getting, PC people whining all day long despite being on your "super" platform won't change that :Dlocopatho

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Blah blah blah the usual thing. I'm happy with all the amazing games I'm getting, PC people whining all day long despite being on your "super" platform won't change that :D110million

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] If you're that happy you would play your games, and not barging in every damn unrelated thread to call PC gamers elitist and whinners. If you ask me, it's insecurity.GeneralShowzer

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] If you're that happy you would play your games, and not barging in every damn unrelated thread to call PC gamers elitist and whinners. If you ask me, it's insecurity.locopatho

As for your comment about naughty dog, its not about that, its about multiplatform engines like the one for Crysis 2, it could very well have been made for consoles and not made the PC version play like a console game, had the consoles not been limited and having 1/16th as much ram as is common in a PC. You get short bubble levels as opposed to wide open ones, Crysis is more varied than Oblivion or RDR, so they can't cut corners like in those games.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="locopatho"] This is a thread about consoles. Read the title if you are so clever. "new consoles"

locopatho

I'm pretty sure you called PC gamers elitist and whiners, in a topic that has nothing to do with any of it.

Shows your insecurities perfectly.

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

JordanizPro

Graphics push the genre further, in more than one way. Older console hardware is a limitation for developers. We'd still be stuck at Megaman if we'd all abide by your "I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics".SkyWard20

You do realize more powerful technology opens up new gameplay possibilities, right? It's not just about better resolutions and textures.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]Graphics push the genre further, in more than one way. Older console hardware is a limitation for developers. We'd still be stuck at Megaman if we'd all abide by your "I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics".dakan45

To the people saying they just got a console... You have many years of games to catch up on. So what if there is a new console? They will still make games a few years after as well.

So let us have our new consoles and you can catch up on the last 5 years. I already been there and done that... I don't need to suffer with this gen any longer.

Anyone saying graphics wont get better... LOL please... You must not have seen any current PC games for this year or the new tech demos. GPU and CPU makers continue to improve hardware. Who thought that the first CPU was good enough? Or the first graphics card? Anyone saying that games wont improve really have no clue at all.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"] I have a PC (as well as the 3 consoles), play games on it, just don't get the magical injection of crack you guys do from turning it on. Wanna talk insecurity? How about insisting PC is soooo much better and anyone who disagrees doesn't have one? That's what's sad, you guys are so blind you literally won't believe someone has a differing opinion.GeneralShowzer

As for your comment about naughty dog, its not about that, its about multiplatform engines like the one for Crysis 2, it could very well have been made for consoles and not made the PC version play like a console game, had the consoles not been limited and having 1/16th as much ram as is common in a PC. You get short bubble levels as opposed to wide open ones, Crysis is more varied than Oblivion or RDR, so they can't cut corners like in those games.

Someone who has a high end rig would probably be interested in PC gaming to start with.

So struggling to run at 720P at 30FPS is now an excuse? I'm sorry but when technology becomes a factor that is detrimental to my gaming experience its time for more powerful machines. We can't even get 30FPS locked anymore at 720P people. Moving on we're just going to get lower frames and lower resolutions to accomodate newer tech. Or where do you think they are going to sacrifice. Its hilarious how the 360 is only $100 less then its launch price 5 years later.

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

JordanizPro

New consoles are healthy for the industry. If new ones never arrived, people would just tire of games. Personally, I can't wait for the new Nintendo system. There's plenty of games for the current gen, so if you don't like the idea of new consoles, just buy used games for a bit.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]Graphics push the genre further, in more than one way. Older console hardware is a limitation for developers. We'd still be stuck at Megaman if we'd all abide by your "I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics".dakan45

No it's not. The fact that the current generation is being bottlenecked by hardware that's about 10 times weaker than the modern standard is absolutely embarassing.

No it's not. The fact that the current generation is being bottlenecked by hardware that's about 10 times weaker than the modern standard is absolutely embarassing.

Barbariser

Yeah, and it's not like people can't play their consoles after the next generation arrives. Like another guy said here, if you started gaming on these consoles late, than you have a lot of catching up to do, no one is forcing you to stop playing them, and no one is forcing anyone to buy the next gen consoles day one. It's your choice.

No it's not. The fact that the current generation is being bottlenecked by hardware that's about 10 times weaker than the modern standard is absolutely embarassing.

Barbariser

Care to elaborate? Because the most creative games this gen belong to the wii library. If you are referring to the PC becoming consolized, that isn't really the fault of consoles, but moreso pc developers seeking more profit.

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No it's not. The fact that the current generation is being bottlenecked by hardware that's about 10 times weaker than the modern standard is absolutely embarassing.

Heirren

Care to elaborate? Because the most creative games this gen belong to the wii library. If you are referring to the PC becoming consolized, that isn't really the fault of consoles, but moreso pc developers seeking more profit.

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No it's not. The fact that the current generation is being bottlenecked by hardware that's about 10 times weaker than the modern standard is absolutely embarassing.

110million

Care to elaborate? Because the most creative games this gen belong to the wii library. If you are referring to the PC becoming consolized, that isn't really the fault of consoles, but moreso pc developers seeking more profit.

It's more a monetary thing though. Consoles always stick around for 5 years or so. It's always been that way. PC is being held back because PC developers are seeking profit from the console consumer. Perhaps the pc format needs something to boost its popularity. This is not a knock against pc gaming, as I like both, but it is pretty obvious that the developers are at fault.

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Care to elaborate? Because the most creative games this gen belong to the wii library. If you are referring to the PC becoming consolized, that isn't really the fault of consoles, but moreso pc developers seeking more profit.

Heirren

It's more a monetary thing though. Consoles always stick around for 5 years or so. It's always been that way. PC is being held back because PC developers are seeking profit from the console consumer. Perhaps the pc format needs something to boost its popularity. This is not a knock against pc gaming, as I like both, but it is pretty obvious that the developers are at fault.

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[QUOTE="110million"] PC developers would not have to compromise if there were more powerful consoles and when they made a multiplatform engine, they would not have to limit all aspects of it. PCs will always be more powerful, but something like a ram increase would allow for the consoles to do more, and PC to be held back less. 110million

It's more a monetary thing though. Consoles always stick around for 5 years or so. It's always been that way. PC is being held back because PC developers are seeking profit from the console consumer. Perhaps the pc format needs something to boost its popularity. This is not a knock against pc gaming, as I like both, but it is pretty obvious that the developers are at fault.

The thing with next gen consoles is that it is very likely that Nintendo may end up taking the lead, at least direction wise. We may see a completely new control system, as evident by the rumors about the controller. If this is the case, it could really spell doom for "pc-style" games, if developers continue to maximize prophet.

If this is the case, it could really spell doom for "pc-style" games, if developers continue to maximize prophet.Heirren

I agree with tc, for me personally i want a new console maybe in 5 more years. *But the console run at 640p lest then 30 fps* you may care about it but I sure don't. I was playing an mmo at 11- 16 fps for 2 years and it didn't even bother me

[QUOTE="Heirren"]If this is the case, it could really spell doom for "pc-style" games, if developers continue to maximize prophet.110million

Your basing this off of the limited wii hardware. Next gen may be quite different. Hypothetically speaking, let's say the next Nintendo pulls a PS2. Let's say it is substantially more powerful than the 360/ps3. Let's say it uses a completely new control scheme. You seriously think this won't have an effect on pc game development? You're being silly if you think it won't. The current generation consoles already have, and if the market continues in the direction it is heading, it will to an even greater extent next gen.

Also, a controller with a screen built in could possibly improve the rts genre. Trust me, I'm not dissing pc games--I'm already upset that I don't see any tactical shooters--but I'm just being realistic here.

Good thing I care about gameplay more than graphics. I currently have a backlog of absolutely great games still and we have games like Uncharted 3 and Infamous 2 that coming which are going to be better games than most PC games coming out DESPITE the fact that they have worse visuals than them. But no, go ahead and be spoiled about everything. To this date I can still play 16-bit RPGs or PS2 games and still have a good time because they were GOOD GAMES. If you want to pay another $400+ for a new system, whatever. The Xbox 360/PS3 (especially) is going to end up just being like the PS2 carrying a massive library of cheap games with everything at a low price. The difference here is that both systems are much more capable than the PS2.

Your basing this off of the limited wii hardware. Next gen may be quite different. Hypothetically speaking, let's say the next Nintendo pulls a PS2. --but I'm just being realistic here.

Heirren

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Your basing this off of the limited wii hardware. Next gen may be quite different. Hypothetically speaking, let's say the next Nintendo pulls a PS2. --but I'm just being realistic here.

110million

Look what they did going from Gamecube to Wii. That grabbed a COMPLETELY new gaming crowd. They DESTROYED the console war with INFERIOR hardware. You really don't think Nintendo is going to try and grab back the snes(hardcore type) crowd? Now, that just wouldn't make sense if they didn't. With the right hardware, all 3rd parties will want to work with Nintendo because they are the premier name in videogames again.

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[QUOTE="Heirren"]Your basing this off of the limited wii hardware. Next gen may be quite different. Hypothetically speaking, let's say the next Nintendo pulls a PS2. --but I'm just being realistic here.

Heirren

Look what they did going from Gamecube to Wii. That grabbed a COMPLETELY new gaming crowd. They DESTROYED the console war with INFERIOR hardware. You really don't think Nintendo is going to try and grab back the snes(hardcore type) crowd? Now, that just wouldn't make sense if they didn't. With the right hardware, all 3rd parties will want to work with Nintendo because they are the premier name in videogames again.

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

JordanizPro

People were saying the very same thing at the end of last gen... Ignoring the many graphical compromises made to make games run on consoles, sub 30 fps is becoming more and more common not to mention the lack of interactivity.

There's a hell of a lot of scripting and illusion we can do away with.

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Keep this console gen for years. We JUST got Red Dead Redemption, a massive, open world, gorgeous game with great physics and tons of stuff happening on screen, and online modes. How is that game possible, and yet we have other devs complaining?locopatho

to be lazy as ****.I mean seriously people;what will a new console do that we dont already have BESIDES better graphics?

When developers want to get lazy and dont want to think of anything new they start covering up by screaming "we need new consoles".Bringing out new consoles wont solve anything;there is plenty of stuff developers can still do with the PS3/X360.I mean sure these consoles might be peeking but who gives a ****?I play games to have fun not to just look at the graphics.(not to mention the graphics in new games that come out these days for the PS3/X360 still wow me)

JordanizPro

There has been very little wow type games this gen. I will be holding on to my 360 and PS3 for quite some time. I don't just play games on my systems I also stream boatloads of other media. My kids love Kinect, and I get the occasional good game. I will wait at least 2 years after the new systems launch to pick one up. The making of new consoles right now is just a cheap excuse for the big 3 to make some extra revenue. The games for the new consoles won't be leaps in anyway for at least the first year or so.

Keep trying to milk the cow Sony, MSoft, and Nin. I will enjoy what is still to come on this gens systems.

kuu2