The Wii isn't what it promised to be.

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain.

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

But sorry folks, the fun ends there. Every other great game on the Wii (7.0 or higher) is good simply because it is a fantastic game to begin with. The recently reviewed Resident Evil 4, for instance. A phenomenal game to begin with, reviewed and regarded as a AAA title across the interwebs. Now on the Wii, many reviewers explain how they dislike the fact that there isn't any new Wii specific content and how the new way of playing makes the game easier in a bad way. Some even had quips with the controls, and how they are "more complicated than it sounds [on paper], which saps some of the fun out of it." (EGM 217). Most all reviewers generally bring up the fact that it was GOTY 2005, riding on all of the things that were great in an afore written review (story. atmosphere, etc). This all converges to imply that this game just rocks in general, and no matter what the controls it still kicks ass. You hear that? It doesn't need to be on Wii to be good. I'll look at Zelda: Twilight Princess on Wii for the same reasons. In fact, Gamspot even gave the Gamecube version a better score because the Wii controls felt 'tacked on'. Same statement is applicable to all of the great Wii Virtual Console games.

My conclusion is this: The great majority of good games available on Wii are good not becuase they are on Wii but because they are just good games. You might ask, "Well Gears Of War is possible on the PS3, so why not just say the same for all 360 games?". The answer to such an inquiry is that the one thing that PS3 doesn't have is a service comparable to LIVE. For games that are great exclusivlely on 360, they must be flawlessly intertwined with Xbox LIVE, much like the way it works for Wii: to be exclusively great, the game must be flawlessly symbiotic with the Wiimote (and very few games truly are). What makes a PS3 game exclusively great? I really don't know,someone answer that question for me.Anyway, that's a Lemming's stand, are you in good hands?

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I just got slapped by a wall of text....

ngoniko

Last time I checked Nintendo only promised us several things about the Wii:

1) The Wii will be small.

2) We'd be able to download from a library of old games.

3) The controller would be a motion sensitive remote.

That's all they ever said before release...and last time I checked they delivered on each one.

Last time I checked Nintendo only promised us several things about the Wii:

1) The Wii will be small.

2) We'd be able to download from a library of old games.

3) The controller would be a motion sensitive remote.

That's all they ever said before release...and last time I checked they delivered on each one.

Keistation2

Seems to me a well thought out and intellectually honest assesment. Good job but most Wii fans are system fans not game fans ( it seems IMHO ) and will flame this thread in droves.

Heres my flame shield and as you can tell its been well used - good luck ! ;)

It reached out and appealed to a new audience

I'm waiting for Elite Beat Agents Wii.

But really, so far most of the Wii controls have been sub-par. Most of what I've seen is as you described, tacked on. It is however, very early in its life, and devs are still trying to figure out how to best use the Wiimote. And despite the fact that some controls like RE4 are just substitutes to normal controls, they can work just as well or better.

IMO, you seem to be setting the bar pretty high for a stage so early in the Wii's life. Wait a little and see what devs can do with the Wiimote, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.

(BTW, Super Mario Galaxy seems to use the Wiimote in pretty interesting ways, check it out)

Last time I checked Nintendo only promised us several things about the Wii:

1) The Wii will be small.

2) We'd be able to download from a library of old games.

3) The controller would be a motion sensitive remote.

That's all they ever said before release...and last time I checked they delivered on each one.

Keistation2

Only two games take notable advantage of the Wiimote, making the controls seem mildly flawed on other games. When the Wiimote doesn't do it's job, you're left with an underpowered system that has crap online (won't get into online though).

too much to read but i think we all know that the wii is trash and wario didnt desrve the AAA.Iloverouge

You don't read books do you? Watch films with subtitles? Play RPG's? Did you even go to school?

If three paragraphs is too much to read you need to put down the games and get an education.

Only two games take notable advantage of the Wiimote, making the controls seem mildly flawed on other games. When the Wiimote doesn't do it's job, you're left with an underpowered system that has crap online (won't get into online though).pyoob

I don't recall Nintendo promising us they would make sure developers used their hardware properly. Looks like your real argument is with a company lke Ubisoft and Activision for being lazy.

[QUOTE="Keistation2"]

Last time I checked Nintendo only promised us several things about the Wii:

1) The Wii will be small.

2) We'd be able to download from a library of old games.

3) The controller would be a motion sensitive remote.

That's all they ever said before release...and last time I checked they delivered on each one.

pyoob

Only two games take notable advantage of the Wiimote, making the controls seem mildly flawed on other games. When the Wiimote doesn't do it's job, you're left with an underpowered system that has crap online (won't get into online though).

You are partially correct. Not that any sheep would ever disparage their precious Wii. They'll just throw sales in your face and call it a day.

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain.

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

But sorry folks, the fun ends there. Every other great game on the Wii (7.0 or higher) is good simply because it is a fantastic game to begin with. The recently reviewed Resident Evil 4, for instance. A phenomenal game to begin with, reviewed and regarded as a AAA title across the interwebs. Now on the Wii, many reviewers explain how they dislike the fact that there isn't any new Wii specific content and how the newway of playingmakes the game easier in a bad way. Some even had quips with the controls, and how they are "more complicated than it sounds [on paper], which saps some of the fun out of it." (EGM 217). Most all reviewers generally bring up the fact that it was GOTY 2005, riding on all of the things that were great in an afore written review (story. atmosphere, etc). This all converges to imply that this game just rocks in general, and no matter what the controls it still kicks ass. You hear that? It doesn't need to be on Wii to be good. I'll look at Zelda: Twilight Princess on Wii for the same reasons. In fact, Gamspot even gave the Gamecube version a better score because the Wii controls felt 'tacked on'. Same statement is applicable to all of the great Wii Virtual Console games.

My conclusion is this: The great majority of good games available on Wii are good not becuase they are on Wii but because they are just good games. You might ask, "Well Gears Of War is possible on the PS3, so why not just say the same for all 360 games?". The answer to such an inquiry is that the one thing that PS3 doesn't have is a service comparable to LIVE. For games that are great exclusivlely on 360, they must be flawlessly intertwined with Xbox LIVE, much like the way it works for Wii: to be exclusively great, the game must be flawlessly symbiotic with the Wiimote (and very few games truly are). What makes a PS3 game exclusively great? I really don't know,someone answer that question for me.Anyway, that's a Lemming's stand, are you in good hands?

pyoob

I see your point, but the part about Gears is pretty much crap. Its online gameplay is far fromperfect and there are many complaints about it not running so smooth. Gears of War is a good game period, it would be a good game on the PS3 as well as the 360 since both have online and playing online is not much different on either. The main differences are all the bells and whistles.

As for the Wii, I think its control scheme is more geared toward certain genres of games and not all types of games. I think its a great system for what it is and as long as its fans are content then Nintendo is doing a good job but I think some Nintendo fans are assuming that games slated for the PS3/360 will go to the Wii or that devs will rework franchises and a control scheme they have been using for 20 years to accomidate Nintendos need to be different. Its just not gonna happen, they may throw some spin offs their way but its just not smart to invest too much in the Wiis control scheme and rework franchise for the Wii where they cant port to the PS3/PC/360 and if next gen Nintendo changes the controls again then all these devs are screwed with franchises built around an obsolete controller scheme.

Nintendos move is great for Nintendo, not so good formost devs, and may dissappoint some unrealistic Nintendo fans.

To Keistation2

Nintendo gives the getgo to all games before they are published on their system, and I'm honestly not seeing that Nintendo seal of quality on most Wii games out right now.

[QUOTE="pyoob"]

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain.

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

But sorry folks, the fun ends there. Every other great game on the Wii (7.0 or higher) is good simply because it is a fantastic game to begin with. The recently reviewed Resident Evil 4, for instance. A phenomenal game to begin with, reviewed and regarded as a AAA title across the interwebs. Now on the Wii, many reviewers explain how they dislike the fact that there isn't any new Wii specific content and how the newway of playingmakes the game easier in a bad way. Some even had quips with the controls, and how they are "more complicated than it sounds [on paper], which saps some of the fun out of it." (EGM 217). Most all reviewers generally bring up the fact that it was GOTY 2005, riding on all of the things that were great in an afore written review (story. atmosphere, etc). This all converges to imply that this game just rocks in general, and no matter what the controls it still kicks ass. You hear that? It doesn't need to be on Wii to be good. I'll look at Zelda: Twilight Princess on Wii for the same reasons. In fact, Gamspot even gave the Gamecube version a better score because the Wii controls felt 'tacked on'. Same statement is applicable to all of the great Wii Virtual Console games.

My conclusion is this: The great majority of good games available on Wii are good not becuase they are on Wii but because they are just good games. You might ask, "Well Gears Of War is possible on the PS3, so why not just say the same for all 360 games?". The answer to such an inquiry is that the one thing that PS3 doesn't have is a service comparable to LIVE. For games that are great exclusivlely on 360, they must be flawlessly intertwined with Xbox LIVE, much like the way it works for Wii: to be exclusively great, the game must be flawlessly symbiotic with the Wiimote (and very few games truly are). What makes a PS3 game exclusively great? I really don't know,someone answer that question for me.Anyway, that's a Lemming's stand, are you in good hands?

Javy03

I see your point, but the part about Gears is pretty much crap. Its online gameplay is far fromperfect and there are many complaints about it not running so smooth. Gears of War is a good game period, it would be a good game on the PS3 as well as the 360 since both have online and playing online is not much different on either. The main differences are all the bells and whistles.

As for the Wii, I think its control scheme is more geared toward certain genres of games and not all types of games. I think its a great system for what it is and as long as its fans are content then Nintendo is doing a good job but I think some Nintendo fans are assuming that games slated for the PS3/360 will go to the Wii or that devs will rework franchises and a control scheme they have been using for 20 years to accomidate Nintendos need to be different. Its just not gonna happen, they may throw some spin offs their way but its just not smart to invest too much in the Wiis control scheme and rework franchise for the Wii where they cant port to the PS3/PC/360 and if next gen Nintendo changes the controls again then all these devs are screwed with franchises built around an obsolete controller scheme.

Nintendos move is great for Nintendo, not so good formost devs, and may dissappoint some unrealistic Nintendo fans.

Here's the problem. Whenever the wiimote isn't being used your left with really crummy graphics. So no wiimote use and bad graphics to boot. You get kicked in the balls and then stopped on afterwards.

At least if a PS3 game doesn't use tilt it can at least still have amazing graphics.

Promised to be? I mean just because a game doesn't whore the hell out of motion censoring doesnt mean it can't enhance the game. A few points to make about the examples you used.

Resident Evil 4 got a 9.1 mostly because it's 2 years old. But the Wii controls still enhance the gameplay.Most shooters have ruined themselves with wii remote controls, but RE4 is one the first shooters to really pull it off, if the controls had ruined the game then it would have gotten a poor score.

Zelda differences between cube and wii are between SOUND, Wii remote sound brought it down a point. The actual gameplay and tilt (that would have been effected by the Wii Remote controls) are not changed between the ratings.

Also perhaps the reasons the Wii Remote hasn't been more strongly incorporated into games is because for 3rd party devlopers, they though ps3 was going to be winning along with the 360 and the Wii would be dying. So they were devloping games primarily for 360/ps3 and maybe just making a wsihy washy Wii game with not much thought just for some side cash.

Now devlopers see the Wii's success, they are putting their best teams on Wii games. I think down the road we'll be seeing a lot more Wii remote incorporative games

Resident Evil 4 got a 9.1 mostly because it's 2 years old. But the Wii controls still enhance the gameplay.Most shooters have ruined themselves with wii remote controls, but RE4 is one the first shooters to really pull it off, if the controls had ruined the game then it would have gotten a poor score.

NATATO

You lose. You just called the original RE4 a shooter.

So only 2 good games on Wii (7.0 or higher by your standard) are good because of the Wii and motion controls?

You claimed Warioware and Wii Sports. What about Rayman and Madden. Both scored above 7.0 and both scored higher than their next-gen counterpart?

Nintendo gives the getgo to all games before they are published on their system, and I'm honestly not seeing that Nintendo seal of quality on most Wii games out right now.pyoob

So Nintendo isn't promising us anything? So...how are promises being broken as per this thread's title?

The only reason the Gamecube version scored higher was because the sound got one point more on the GC. And the "best" tag still went to the Wii.

And both Zelda and RE4 (based on the reviews) are considered better BECAUSE they're on the Wii using Wii controls.

It reached out and appealed to a new audience

Blackbond

So did MTV, and that didn´t help anyone, that´s wasn´t his point.

Good read, you have a point and I agree. I didn´t understand the what makes a ps3 game great though, MGS, FF, GoW, SotC, well they are great games cause they are lol.

Since when did the Wii promise to turn everything it touches into gold? The Wii's promise was to provide a new and better control sceme. That dosen't mean every game is going to be built solely around the controller, the game needs to be well designed in the first place. If you took Big Rigs, put it on the Wii, and programmed it with the most innovative and incredible controls ever known to man, would it be a good game? No, because intuitive controls are only part of what makes a good game.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

It reached out and appealed to a new audience

Eddie-Vedder

So did MTV, and that didn´t help anyone, that´s wasn´t his point.

Good read, you have a point and I agree. I didn´t understand the what makes a ps3 game great though, MGS, FF, GoW, SotC, well they are great games cause they are lol.

No, his "point" was messed up. He said the Wii wasn't what it promised it would be. And all the Wii promised was to do what Blackbond said: reach out and appeal to a new audience.

[QUOTE="NATATO"]

Resident Evil 4 got a 9.1 mostly because it's 2 years old. But the Wii controls still enhance the gameplay.Most shooters have ruined themselves with wii remote controls, but RE4 is one the first shooters to really pull it off, if the controls had ruined the game then it would have gotten a poor score.

pyoob

You lose. You just called the original RE4 a shooter.

lol just because it's calledRE4 as a shooter when it's technically an "action horror game." First Wii game where you use the wii remote to point at the screen with the remote and shoot people? Is that better?

Yea well how bout you respond to the rest of my arguement... Hmmm maybe I cause it shuts yours down?

He said the Wii wasn't what it promised it would be. And all the Wii promised was to do what Blackbond said: reach out and appeal to a new audience.-The-G-Man-

HAH, and people said only idiots post on these forums.

[QUOTE="pyoob"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

Resident Evil 4 got a 9.1 mostly because it's 2 years old. But the Wii controls still enhance the gameplay.Most shooters have ruined themselves with wii remote controls, but RE4 is one the first shooters to really pull it off, if the controls had ruined the game then it would have gotten a poor score.

NATATO

You lose. You just called the original RE4 a shooter.

lol just because it's calledRE4 as a shooter when it's technically an "action horror game." First Wii game where you use the wii remote to point at the screen with the remote and shoot people? Is that better?

Yea well how bout you respond to the rest of my arguement... Hmmm maybe I cause it shuts yours down?

Hmmm, were starting to talk sh*t are we? Well I like that.

You don't really have an argument in your post, itn just sorta sounds like damage control. But still, I said it in another post - Nintendo hasn't been marking things with their seal of quality lately, and it's noticeable in the production values of a lot of games on the Wii. You might say "well sure, that's because Nintendo doesn't make those games". But I will fire back with this: Nintendo, owner to the publishing rights on Wii has the ability to make sure every game released is a showcase of the only thing that Wii does well - motion sensing. It's just a shame that onlya handful of games take very notable advantge of that.

RE4 was great before the wii. but most reviews have said that the wii version is the best because of the controls. my conclusion, wiimote done right can make games better even ones that are already great.

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain.

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

But sorry folks, the fun ends there. Every other great game on the Wii (7.0 or higher) is good simply because it is a fantastic game to begin with. The recently reviewed Resident Evil 4, for instance. A phenomenal game to begin with, reviewed and regarded as a AAA title across the interwebs. Now on the Wii, many reviewers explain how they dislike the fact that there isn't any new Wii specific content and how the new way of playing makes the game easier in a bad way. Some even had quips with the controls, and how they are "more complicated than it sounds [on paper], which saps some of the fun out of it." (EGM 217). Most all reviewers generally bring up the fact that it was GOTY 2005, riding on all of the things that were great in an afore written review (story. atmosphere, etc). This all converges to imply that this game just rocks in general, and no matter what the controls it still kicks ass. You hear that? It doesn't need to be on Wii to be good. I'll look at Zelda: Twilight Princess on Wii for the same reasons. In fact, Gamspot even gave the Gamecube version a better score because the Wii controls felt 'tacked on'. Same statement is applicable to all of the great Wii Virtual Console games.

My conclusion is this: The great majority of good games available on Wii are good not becuase they are on Wii but because they are just good games. You might ask, "Well Gears Of War is possible on the PS3, so why not just say the same for all 360 games?". The answer to such an inquiry is that the one thing that PS3 doesn't have is a service comparable to LIVE. For games that are great exclusivlely on 360, they must be flawlessly intertwined with Xbox LIVE, much like the way it works for Wii: to be exclusively great, the game must be flawlessly symbiotic with the Wiimote (and very few games truly are). What makes a PS3 game exclusively great? I really don't know,someone answer that question for me.Anyway, that's a Lemming's stand, are you in good hands?

pyoob

You must not realize that Gears of War's ONLINE MODES ARE INCREDIBLY LACKLUSTER AND MEDIOCRE. Luckily, we put up with it because the game itself is fantastic.

Think about it, how much control do you have over the multiplayer, how intuitive is it....it's really bad.

Anyways, that incredibly lame mediocre experience is very possible on PS3, or even PS2 for that matter. You obviously never played SOCOM (PS2) or Resistance (PS3).

Resident Evil4 Wii is the Definitive version with Better controls than that of any other version

Wiimakesgamingbetter

Thecowsandlemmingsarestuckinthepaston obsolete controls

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="pyoob"]

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain.

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

But sorry folks, the fun ends there. Every other great game on the Wii (7.0 or higher) is good simply because it is a fantastic game to begin with. The recently reviewed Resident Evil 4, for instance. A phenomenal game to begin with, reviewed and regarded as a AAA title across the interwebs. Now on the Wii, many reviewers explain how they dislike the fact that there isn't any new Wii specific content and how the newway of playingmakes the game easier in a bad way. Some even had quips with the controls, and how they are "more complicated than it sounds [on paper], which saps some of the fun out of it." (EGM 217). Most all reviewers generally bring up the fact that it was GOTY 2005, riding on all of the things that were great in an afore written review (story. atmosphere, etc). This all converges to imply that this game just rocks in general, and no matter what the controls it still kicks ass. You hear that? It doesn't need to be on Wii to be good. I'll look at Zelda: Twilight Princess on Wii for the same reasons. In fact, Gamspot even gave the Gamecube version a better score because the Wii controls felt 'tacked on'. Same statement is applicable to all of the great Wii Virtual Console games.

My conclusion is this: The great majority of good games available on Wii are good not becuase they are on Wii but because they are just good games. You might ask, "Well Gears Of War is possible on the PS3, so why not just say the same for all 360 games?". The answer to such an inquiry is that the one thing that PS3 doesn't have is a service comparable to LIVE. For games that are great exclusivlely on 360, they must be flawlessly intertwined with Xbox LIVE, much like the way it works for Wii: to be exclusively great, the game must be flawlessly symbiotic with the Wiimote (and very few games truly are). What makes a PS3 game exclusively great? I really don't know,someone answer that question for me.Anyway, that's a Lemming's stand, are you in good hands?

Bread_or_Decide

I see your point, but the part about Gears is pretty much crap. Its online gameplay is far fromperfect and there are many complaints about it not running so smooth. Gears of War is a good game period, it would be a good game on the PS3 as well as the 360 since both have online and playing online is not much different on either. The main differences are all the bells and whistles.

As for the Wii, I think its control scheme is more geared toward certain genres of games and not all types of games. I think its a great system for what it is and as long as its fans are content then Nintendo is doing a good job but I think some Nintendo fans are assuming that games slated for the PS3/360 will go to the Wii or that devs will rework franchises and a control scheme they have been using for 20 years to accomidate Nintendos need to be different. Its just not gonna happen, they may throw some spin offs their way but its just not smart to invest too much in the Wiis control scheme and rework franchise for the Wii where they cant port to the PS3/PC/360 and if next gen Nintendo changes the controls again then all these devs are screwed with franchises built around an obsolete controller scheme.

Nintendos move is great for Nintendo, not so good formost devs, and may dissappoint some unrealistic Nintendo fans.

Here's the problem. Whenever the wiimote isn't being used your left with really crummy graphics. So no wiimote use and bad graphics to boot. You get kicked in the balls and then stopped on afterwards.

At least if a PS3 game doesn't use tilt it can at least still have amazing graphics.

Great Point ^

[QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="pyoob"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

Resident Evil 4 got a 9.1 mostly because it's 2 years old. But the Wii controls still enhance the gameplay.Most shooters have ruined themselves with wii remote controls, but RE4 is one the first shooters to really pull it off, if the controls had ruined the game then it would have gotten a poor score.

pyoob

You lose. You just called the original RE4 a shooter.

lol just because it's calledRE4 as a shooter when it's technically an "action horror game." First Wii game where you use the wii remote to point at the screen with the remote and shoot people? Is that better?

Yea well how bout you respond to the rest of my arguement... Hmmm maybe I cause it shuts yours down?

Hmmm, were starting to talk sh*t are we? Well I like that.

You don't really have an argument in your post, itn just sorta sounds like damage control. But still, I said it in another post - Nintendo hasn't been marking things with their seal of quality lately, and it's noticeable in the production values of a lot of games on the Wii. You might say "well sure, that's because Nintendo doesn't make those games". But I will fire back with this: Nintendo, owner to the publishing rights on Wii has the ability to make sure every game released is a showcase of the only thing that Wii does well - motion sensing. It's just a shame that onlya handful of games take very notable advantge of that.

No your missing the point if you think that every game HAS to have good motion censoring. Someone else made the good point that 360 only had a handful of games with REALLY good graphics by this timelast year. Wii has that potential for motion censoring, game designers can use it how ever they like.

And obviously you didn't read what I said. There will be a lot moremotion censoring games down the road cause everyone thought theWIiWOULD LOSE. But now that it's dominateing, people are starting to put their best teams on the Wii. Link for that would be here:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25544953

And really Wii is a revolution and nintendo has kept that promise. Soon everyone will be gamers and games will be like movies and TV where EVERYONE DOES IT. Thanks to the Wii.

to TC: I disagree with on little things

-there are at least 3 games that could not be done on the other consoles. You forgot Trauma Centre, which is a hardcore game

-it is really early. The wii will probably evolve into a console with much different games than the other 2 consoles. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of wii games had appeal similar to trauma center, warioware, and wiisports (not that these would be the only genres of course)

-all the high scoring wii games, outside of gc ports TP and SPM, are acclaimed for their use of the wiimote. So technically it would be possible to have rayman on other consoles, the experience is heightened by the wiimote controls. Just like madden, godfather, and many others

so basically I agree with you, but you're arg isn't that the console isn't delivering, it's that the software isn't delivering. I've said it many times, the software is the one thing about a console that changes, so we're sure to see some evolution in this regard

Go read the Gamecube review for TP, it says the Wiimote is better, but it feels tacked on, but it's still better.

And I don't see how it didn't live up to what it promised to be, 'cause most people thought it would be Gamecubed.

To NATATO:

The Wiimote obviously didn't enhance the game for some, ahem the quote I used maybe.....

And about lackluster titles on the Wii: Escape From Bug Island, reviewed in that same EGM, averaged out at a 2.6 for its score. NINTENDO HAS THE ABILITY TO STOP THAT. THEY AREN'T. They can look at a game, hate it, and yell "Go back to the drawing board!"

And this is working its way into my new sig: You've been calling it "Motion Censoring". That would mean that they are hiding motion. It's "Motion Sensing", because it detects motion. And you call yourself a sheep:lol:

RE4 was great before the wii. but most reviews have said that the wii version is the best because of the controls. my conclusion, wiimote done right can make games better even ones that are already great.

Ontain

Oh I know - 1st party games that " N " has done to death - yeah 250 bones will look like 1000 to buy the low tech Wii! ;)

I sure hope all the Wii fans who are so invested ( SW ) in moition control are the 1st to Jump In ;) I doubt it though as nowhere on the 360 does the name " Nintendo "appear - so sad. :(

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

RE4 was great before the wii. but most reviews have said that the wii version is the best because of the controls. my conclusion, wiimote done right can make games better even ones that are already great.

SecretPolice

Oh I know - 1st party games that " N " has done to death - yeah 250 bones will look like 1000 to buy the low tech Wii! ;)

I sure hope all the Wii fans who are so invested ( SW ) in moition control are the 1st to Jump In ;) I doubt it though as nowhere on the 360 does the name " Nintendo "appear - so sad. :(

Stop winking! And... your post doesn't make sense... ;)

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

RE4 was great before the wii. but most reviews have said that the wii version is the best because of the controls. my conclusion, wiimote done right can make games better even ones that are already great.

SecretPolice

Oh I know - 1st party games that " N " has done to death - yeah 250 bones will look like 1000 to buy the low tech Wii! ;)

I sure hope all the Wii fans who are so invested ( SW ) in moition control are the 1st to Jump In ;) I doubt it though as nowhere on the 360 does the name " Nintendo "appear - so sad. :(

MS won't make a MSmote until next gen, if at all.

wii is a horrible systym. it is not fun and i had two break on a friend. the first was because he dropped it in the water on accident and the next was because it turnd off while he was playing and threw it aginst the wall. it was not hard at all but it still broke. unrelible hardware is nintendos mottoQWERTY20007

R-I-G-H-T.........My car is crap b/c A) I drove it into a wall of a building and the stupid engine was smashed and cant be repaired and B) I drove it into a big puddle of mud and now all the seats are stained and i cant get the stains out...Man, my car sucks and I need to get a better car...

To NATATO:

The Wiimote obviously didn't enhance the game for some, ahem the quote I used maybe.....

And about lackluster titles on the Wii: Escape From Bug Island, reviewed in that same EGM, averaged out at a 2.6 for its score. NINTENDO HAS THE ABILITY TO STOP THAT. THEY AREN'T. They can look at a game, hate it, and yell "Go back to the drawing board!"

And this is working its way into my new sig: You've been calling it "Motion Censoring". That would mean that they are hiding motion. It's "Motion Sensing", because it detects motion. And you call yourself a sheep:lol:

pyoob

Best you can do is insult my grammer, then your desperate for leverage.

Your making it sound like Nintendo is the only one with really poor games. EVERY SYSTEM HAS REALLY REALLY bad games! You want me to make a list of games MICROSOFT should of sent back to the drawing board?

[QUOTE="QWERTY20007"]wii is a horrible systym. it is not fun and i had two break on a friend. the first was because he dropped it in the water on accident and the next was because it turnd off while he was playing and threw it aginst the wall. it was not hard at all but it still broke. unrelible hardware is nintendos mottospecialed

R-I-G-H-T.........My car is crap b/c A) I drove it into a wall of a building and the stupid engine was smashed and cant be repaired and B) I drove it into a big puddle of mud and now all the seats are stained and i cant get the stains out...Man, my car sucks and I need to get a better car...

Roffles! Why did he bother posting that?! :lol: