The Wii isn't what it promised to be.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Seems to me a well thought out and intellectually honest assesment. Good job but most Wii fans are system fans not game fans ( it seems IMHO ) and will flame this thread in droves.

Heres my flame shield and as you can tell its been well used - good luck ! ;)

frodnekcod

everyone on this board is a system fan, hence its name, but you dont need a flame shield to defend yourself against sheep, you need to give the flame shield to us because all the cows and lems are gonna come in here and bash our system.

Point taken and if someone were to attack the Wii unfairly even I would respond possitively towards the Wii.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

@ MikeE21286

What? Yes I kow Wii-Remote on it's side is an option. You're saying that controller option won't have motion sensoring because it doesn't say it will (yet) . And I'm saying that is a pretty dumb speculation.

Eponique

Neither of us in the end can prove if it will or will not use motion sensoring.

But the fact that the Head Director of the SSBB game itself said............

"I suppose I would recommend the Nintendo GameCube controller, though,"

Speaks volumes as to if motion sensoring would be used at all, or to the level (probably cheap gimmick) that it would be used at if implemented

That DBZ game lets you use the Gamecube/****c/Wiimote... but it still has motion sensing. Just because there's a gamecube controller doesn't mean the chance for motion-sensing is gone. They can still do it in stuff like throwing items or tilting the controller up to make you jump. There're still possibilities.

Your right, there's possibilities.

But it just sounds useless and not worth it.

Hell with my PS3 I can swing the bat in MLB 2k7 with my SIXAXIS. That doesn't mean OMG TEH GAMEPLAY!!#!!! like tons of sheep say.

[QUOTE="Goten_king"]NEWSFLASH! THE WII HAS ONLY BEEN OUT FOR... let me check... about.... 8 MONTHS. NOT EVEN A YEAR.

Why.. honestly do people expect a completely new technology to be perfect in 0 time at all. Most great games have developments of at least a year... Devs have had the wii for... barely a year... and with this new tech, theres no way they can be expected to use its perfectly. Wait one year... you'll see.


MikeE21286

Just giving it the same chance everyone is giving the PS3 ;)

NEWSFLASH! THE WII HAS ONLY BEEN OUT FOR... let me check... about.... 8 MONTHS. NOT EVEN A YEAR.

Why.. honestly do people expect a completely new technology to be perfect in 0 time at all. Most great games have developments of at least a year... Devs have had the wii for... barely a year... and with this new tech, theres no way they can be expected to use its perfectly. Wait one year... you'll see.


Goten_king

I diagree. It's already been quite a wait, and what the Wii has is what is has. There's no excuses. But luckily, I think the Wii isn't off to a bad start after all. In both Gameranking standards and Gamespot standards. I do believe though, that the wii would've been even better had it gotten support in the beginning, which is only starting to show up now 7 months later.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Strange, you understood though, I realise you are not the tipical Wii fan ( A ;) ) for the poser above who has a tough time with reading with comprehention something he dissagrees with -lol.

SecretPolice

since it's you who i believe to be reading impaired i'll break it down for you.

He says that RE4 is great without the wii controls and gives a quote that says wii controls lessen the game (from EGM).

I said that RE4 is great before the wii and is made even better because of the wii controls (according to GS review among others).

these are not the same point.

the conclusions are clearly not the same as well.

how are they the same again? :roll:

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain.

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

why are you talking about WW. where in my post did i argue about WW? are you reading my posts at all? I'm arguing the point he made about RE4. do you not see that?

please show me what i omited that was relavant to my discussion with you.

as for rebutting the totality of this argument I chose to target one of his points that i felt strongest about. is something wrong with that? it's often something done in debates. you knock holes that support the other persons argument. there are others i see attacking the other supports. but you didn't answer me. how is what i said the same as what he said? that's what you attacked in my post.

Trauma center is a game that wouldn't have been nearly as fun off of wii.kittykatz5k

After watching this video of Mario Galaxy I'm keeping my Wii

http://uk.gamespot.com/video/915692/6167096/super-mario-galaxy-working-title-official-trailer-2

This is going to be high AAA imo, it looks amazing and original, something that's becoming very hard to find in a game.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

@ MikeE21286

What? Yes I kow Wii-Remote on it's side is an option. You're saying that controller option won't have motion sensoring because it doesn't say it will (yet) . And I'm saying that is a pretty dumb speculation.

MikeE21286

Neither of us in the end can prove if it will or will not use motion sensoring.

But the fact that the Head Director of the SSBB game itself said............

"I suppose I would recommend the Nintendo GameCube controller, though,"

Speaks volumes as to if motion sensoring would be used at all, or to the level (probably cheap gimmick) that it would be used at if implemented

That DBZ game lets you use the Gamecube/****c/Wiimote... but it still has motion sensing. Just because there's a gamecube controller doesn't mean the chance for motion-sensing is gone. They can still do it in stuff like throwing items or tilting the controller up to make you jump. There're still possibilities.

Your right, there's possibilities.

But it just sounds useless and not worth it.

Hell with my PS3 I can swing the bat in MLB 2k7 with my SIXAXIS. That doesn't mean OMG TEH GAMEPLAY!!#!!! like tons of sheep say.

Using SIXAXIS as a bat? That must be a pain in the ^^^...

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Goten_king"]NEWSFLASH! THE WII HAS ONLY BEEN OUT FOR... let me check... about.... 8 MONTHS. NOT EVEN A YEAR.

Why.. honestly do people expect a completely new technology to be perfect in 0 time at all. Most great games have developments of at least a year... Devs have had the wii for... barely a year... and with this new tech, theres no way they can be expected to use its perfectly. Wait one year... you'll see.


Goten_king

Just giving it the same chance everyone is giving the PS3 ;)

Yeah, but I think you underestimate the amount of work and length of time it takes for a PS3 game to be made.

Any dev time they use working with the Wii-Mote is translated into devt time they would use on the PS3 learning the new hardware and working on graphics.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Trauma center is a game that wouldn't have been nearly as fun off of wii.Vandalvideo

HAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAH... oh umm... sorry.

Let me say this again, there are some great games coming out for the Wii in the next few months. Let me also say the PS3 sucks hard, end of subject, who ever spent $600 on a system is insane. I bought my Wii, and a few games for around $350, and this best part the game dont cost 60-70 dollars. Extra money in my pocket. So all you Sony Fanboys need to pick new topics, cause the Wii is out selling the PS3 2-1. Beat that Kaz the loserLordLanz

Ahh, thank you Sheep for bringing up sales. I haven't seen sales brought up from a sheep in a long time :roll:

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Trauma center is a game that wouldn't have been nearly as fun off of wii.Eponique

HAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAH... oh umm... sorry.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] That's a silly request. Kind of like saying gameplay > graphics.The only thing I can do now is: Look at da salez of duh Wii Wii to see whatz izzors wrong with your opinion.Vandalvideo

Anyway: My point was, it's impossible to prove your opinion wrong, so stop saying it. It's a tactic that smacks of the last resort of the weak. Internets version ofviolence.

Your right, there's possibilities.

But it just sounds useless and not worth it.

Hell with my PS3 I can swing the bat in MLB 2k7 with my SIXAXIS. That doesn't mean OMG TEH GAMEPLAY!!#!!! like tons of sheep say.

MikeE21286

well you're right. because from the review "There are some motion-sensing controls, but they feel tacked on and don't add much to the experience." the sixaxis isn't really designed for that type of thing.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Trauma center is a game that wouldn't have been nearly as fun off of wii.Vandalvideo

HAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAH... oh umm... sorry.

Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...

Motion is a gimmick right now till devs figure a way to make a great motion game that's fun yet deep and intuitive with precision controls,BrooklynBomber

i don't think it has to be deep to prove itself. i think it's already proven to the world that motion sensing is what more customers want in interactive entertainment.

Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...Eponique

Motion is a gimmick right now till devs figure a way to make a great motion game that's fun yet deep and intuitive with precision controls,BrooklynBomber

Motion is (and will always be) a gimmick until devs come up with a game that can't be played without it.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Trauma center is a game that wouldn't have been nearly as fun off of wii.Vandalvideo

HAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAH... oh umm... sorry.

Okay, so do tell. Tell me how Trauma Center would be fun without the wii in your mind.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Strange, you understood though, I realise you are not the tipical Wii fan ( A ;) ) for the poser above who has a tough time with reading with comprehention something he dissagrees with -lol.

Ontain

since it's you who i believe to be reading impaired i'll break it down for you.

He says that RE4 is great without the wii controls and gives a quote that says wii controls lessen the game (from EGM).

I said that RE4 is great before the wii and is made even better because of the wii controls (according to GS review among others).

these are not the same point.

the conclusions are clearly not the same as well.

how are they the same again? :roll:

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain.

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

why are you talking about WW. where in my post did i argue about WW? are you reading my posts at all? I'm arguing the point he made about RE4. do you not see that?

please show me what i omited that was relavant to my discussion with you.

as for rebutting the totality of this argument I chose to target one of his points that i felt strongest about. is something wrong with that? it's often something done in debates. you knock holes that support the other persons argument. there are others i see attacking the other supports. but you didn't answer me. how is what i said the same as what he said? that's what you attacked in my post.

Great then - you think RE4 works better then he does but ( Now be honest ) does that really rebut his overall assesment and do you agree with him on all counts excluding you're opinions about the one game RE4?

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Strange, you understood though, I realise you are not the tipical Wii fan ( A ;) ) for the poser above who has a tough time with reading with comprehention something he dissagrees with -lol.

SecretPolice

since it's you who i believe to be reading impaired i'll break it down for you.

He says that RE4 is great without the wii controls and gives a quote that says wii controls lessen the game (from EGM).

I said that RE4 is great before the wii and is made even better because of the wii controls (according to GS review among others).

these are not the same point.

the conclusions are clearly not the same as well.

how are they the same again? :roll:

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain. Oh I get the semantics now - you want to focus on RE 4 - yeah - nice try but many here including myself are not fooled by these things - Permagoggles will give you a problem - see the doc. and have them removed. ;)

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]Motion is a gimmick right now till devs figure a way to make a great motion game that's fun yet deep and intuitive with precision controls,MikeE21286

Motion is (and will always be) a gimmick until devs come up with a game that can't be played without it.

lol... OKay, great graphics are a gimmick. Name a game that can't be played without great graphics.. YOU CAN'T. Therefore, by your logic, it must be a gimmick!

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...Vandalvideo

Play it.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...Eponique

Play it.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]Motion is a gimmick right now till devs figure a way to make a great motion game that's fun yet deep and intuitive with precision controls,NATATO

Motion is (and will always be) a gimmick until devs come up with a game that can't be played without it.

lol... OKay, great graphics are a gimmick. Name a game that can't be played without great graphics.. YOU CAN'T. Therefore, by your logic, it must be a gimmick!

i don't think we should be calling graphics as gimmicks since it has given us so much in the past. it's just that it isn't as important this generation, and to be more specific, the Cell is a gimmick.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...Jandurin

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...Jandurin

i agree. i imagine playing trama center with the standard controller, and it... just isn't as realistic or engaging. everyone in the world should agree to that.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]Motion is a gimmick right now till devs figure a way to make a great motion game that's fun yet deep and intuitive with precision controls,gamespot813

i don't think it has to be deep to prove itself. i think it's already proven to the world that motion sensing is what more customers want in interactive entertainment.

It's gotta be deep to reward skilled players and keep you playing to master the intricacies of the game play imo till motion can do this it's not really needed.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...Vandalvideo

Play it.

...Okay... you haven't played it.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...Vandalvideo

that is true, everyone has an opinion and some may perfer the standard controller more than the wiimote, but some people would have more fun with the wiimote, everyone's preferences are different, so people stop trying to always say the wiimote always enhances gaming, for the majority of people it does, but there are always a few who disagree

[QUOTE="gamespot813"]

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]Motion is a gimmick right now till devs figure a way to make a great motion game that's fun yet deep and intuitive with precision controls,BrooklynBomber

i don't think it has to be deep to prove itself. i think it's already proven to the world that motion sensing is what more customers want in interactive entertainment.

It's gotta be deep to reward skilled players and keep you playing to master the intricacies of the game play imo till motion can do this it's not really needed.

How you control a game doesn't determine how deep a game is. It only changes the experience.

[QUOTE="gamespot813"]

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]Motion is a gimmick right now till devs figure a way to make a great motion game that's fun yet deep and intuitive with precision controls,BrooklynBomber

i don't think it has to be deep to prove itself. i think it's already proven to the world that motion sensing is what more customers want in interactive entertainment.

It's gotta be deep to reward skilled players and keep you playing to master the intricacies of the game play imo till motion can do this it's not really needed.

i see. so you are implying that you like games that makes you practice for rewards. i understand. I think the wii's remote is capable of doing that, though it hasn't really proven itself YET. There's always the classic controller by the way.

wario ware got boring after 30 seconds of playing itrr2Real

And this adds to the discussion how?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...Vandalvideo

I can say: Someone may enjoy pushing A repeatedly for every game ever made. And I could be right. But, it wouldn't help the debate. Try to deal with realities. If not SW realities, such as reviews, then at least personal ones.

I mean, I could say that it's someone's opinion that the PC is an overpriced piece of trash that only plays games that require only time but no skill. And that this person believes thePC needs to be upgraded for each individual game, gives you carpal tunnel immediately, and precludes the ability to relax on a couch due to the enormous size of these PCs, but neither hypothetical man nor myself would be right.

Quote from Janderin - He's not focusing on RE4. You, in fact, are IGNORING RE4. Congratulations on having the best pair of fanboy goggles known to man. The ones you can wear without even knowing it yourself.

Yeah I love the art style of semantics where Wii fans with permagoggles such as yourself ( who woulda known lol ) love to take little blurbs, try to have people focus on that and yet while you try to deny the overall theme of his honest post!

Maybe you are the one who should just " Stop " as you have told others - just maybe huh. oh and ;) ;) LMAO

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...WINDWAKER1

that is true, everyone has an opinion and some may perfer the standard controller more than the wiimote, but some people would have more fun with the wiimote, everyone's preferences are different, so people stop trying to always say the wiimote always enhances gaming, for the majority of people it does, but there are always a few who disagree

i think though that the majority of people around the world prefer playing with the wii remote than the standard controller. it's just more engaging.

Thats fine and all and I've just reviewed our posts. You are correct in that you took ( out of context I might add ) his thought on RE 4 as aposed to his ( I feel ) ligitimate gripes with what the Wii offers thus far.

Great then - you think RE4 works better then he does but ( Now be honest ) does that really rebut his overall assesment and do you agree with him on all counts excluding you're opinions about the one game RE4?

SecretPolice

yes it rebuts that part of his argument thus making the whole argument weaker. does it not? other ppl are rebutting other parts of this argument, for example Eponique didn't get a reply to her post referencing a review that the TC used to back up his point about TP. now if the review is shown also weaken the TC's point then it becomes a much weaker argument. this is how forum debating works. we're not in a vacuum. I don't need to argue points that others have already done. and done well.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eponique"]Yes it can be done a standard controller... but you gotta be kidding me... just as fun? Have you played it? With a standard controller the game is betteroff being 95% reading...WINDWAKER1

that is true, everyone has an opinion and some may perfer the standard controller more than the wiimote, but some people would have more fun with the wiimote, everyone's preferences are different, so people stop trying to always say the wiimote always enhances gaming, for the majority of people it does, but there are always a few who disagree

I hope you realize what game he's talking about (Trauma Centre). Saying Trauma Centre would be fun with standard controls is like saying Nintendogs is fun in an arcade.

Your hypothetical is out of place. Stop arguingfor non-existent person #1. Stop saying that because he may or may not enjoy the Wii remote, his opinion outweighs the reviewer. It just doesn't make any sense. It's not that I don't get it, it's that I think it's wrong. I can say: Someone may enjoy pushing A repeatedly for every game ever made. And I could be right. But, it wouldn't help the debate. Try to deal with realities. If not SW realities, such as reviews, then at least personal ones.Jandurin

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"][QUOTE="gamespot813"]

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]Motion is a gimmick right now till devs figure a way to make a great motion game that's fun yet deep and intuitive with precision controls,gamespot813

i don't think it has to be deep to prove itself. i think it's already proven to the world that motion sensing is what more customers want in interactive entertainment.

It's gotta be deep to reward skilled players and keep you playing to master the intricacies of the game play imo till motion can do this it's not really needed.

i see. so you are implying that you like games that makes you practice for rewards. i understand. I think the wii's remote is capable of doing that, though it hasn't really proven itself YET. There's always the classic controller by the way.

That's the problem with motion the classic controller works better for games imo than motion right now. Motion needs a killer app to make gamers say heyI can see the value of motion over the classic controller.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Thats fine and all and I've just reviewed our posts. You are correct in that you took ( out of context I might add ) his thought on RE 4 as aposed to his ( I feel ) ligitimate gripes with what the Wii offers thus far.

Great then - you think RE4 works better then he does but ( Now be honest ) does that really rebut his overall assesment and do you agree with him on all counts excluding you're opinions about the one game RE4?

Ontain

yes it rebuts that part of his argument thus making the whole argument weaker. does it not? other ppl are rebutting other parts of this argument, for example Eponique didn't get a reply to her post referencing a review that the TC used to back up his point about TP. now if the review is shown also weaken the TC's point then it becomes a much weaker argument. this is how forum debating works. we're not in a vacuum. I don't need to argue points that others have already done. and done well.

Seems a bit weak to me but if it makes you feel better - you go go lol