The Wii isn't what it promised to be.

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#101 NATATO
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[QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="pyoob"]

To NATATO:

The Wiimote obviously didn't enhance the game for some, ahem the quote I used maybe.....

And about lackluster titles on the Wii: Escape From Bug Island, reviewed in that same EGM, averaged out at a 2.6 for its score. NINTENDO HAS THE ABILITY TO STOP THAT. THEY AREN'T. They can look at a game, hate it, and yell "Go back to the drawing board!"

And this is working its way into my new sig: You've been calling it "Motion Censoring". That would mean that they are hiding motion. It's "Motion Sensing", because it detects motion. And you call yourself a sheep:lol:

pyoob

Best you can do is insult my grammer, then your desperate for leverage.

Your making it sound like Nintendo is the only one with really poor games. EVERY SYSTEM HAS REALLY REALLY bad games! You want me to make a list of games MICROSOFT should of sent back to the drawing board?

Yeah, every console has sh*tty games, but games that are sh*tty on Wii are just that much worse becuase they have crappy graphics to boot. At least on the 360 version of Pirates Of the Carribean there were pretty decent graphics.

Ok, so Nintendo didn't specifically say that it would have great games, but it was more than obviously implied. You wouldn't sell a console without saying that it could do marvelous things in games. When you go out on a limb like Nintendo did with the Wii, you sure as hell better make sure that your consoleplays gameswhat it's supposed to do. And right now, Nintendo's console just isn't delivering on its abilities the way that the 360 is.

Ok, I'm dying now:lol:. 1st you spell Grammar wrong, 2nd it wasn't your grammar that was incorrect, it was your spelling/vocab.

And you're pulling things out of context, I stated points first THEN made fun of your "grammer". Highest priority in a post gets the highest positon in a post. That's how I look at it.

Okay, like I said before your desperate."censor" is a grammar error because it's spelled right but used in the wrong way. And all I can say is who owned who at timed writings all year long.

ANYWAY. Delivering on console abilities? You've used the examples of really bad games that score really low. BUT NO ONE CARES ABOUT THOSE GAMES. A system could have 150 games that score 1.0 and have 20 AAAE and it'd have the best quality of games. Just because nintendo has a lot poor quailty games coming out one end, doesn't mean they take away from the qauilty of the console.

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#102 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]So you can't prove to me that the Wii version is the definitive version. -The-G-Man-

I can prove that Gamespot thinks it is.

Which is mere opinion. I prefer a standard controller. Prove my opinion wrong.

I could ask you to prove Gamespot's opinion wrong as well if I wanted to.

And you can't prove opinion wrong. However, opinion is not proof of concept. It DOES NOT mean the Wii is the improptu difinitive version.
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#103 shadow_hosi
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]So you can't prove to me that the Wii version is the definitive version. Jandurin

I can prove that Gamespot thinks it is.

Which is mere opinion. I prefer a standard controller. Prove my opinion wrong.

:). That's a silly request. Kind of like saying gameplay > graphics.

The only thing I can do now is: Look at da salez of duh Wii Wii to see whatz izzors wrong with your opinion.

:P

gameplay is more important than graphics, i mean, pong is graphicly 100000 years old but i still find it fun, as i do frogger and all my atari games

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#104 Ontain
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RE4 was great before the wii. but most reviews have said that the wii version is the best because of the controls. my conclusion, wiimote done right can make games better even ones that are already great.

SecretPolice

Seriously, did you read what the TC typed? He has stated that same point & furthermore, I would love to know what the heck will Wii have to offer when ( this is fact but you most wait till MS says so ) 360 has the MSmote - then what ?

yes i did. did you? no he didn't state the same point and he didn't reach the same conclusion did he? show me where he said the wiimote greatly enhanced the experience of RE4. because this is what he did say: "Some even had quips with the controls, and how they are "more complicated than it sounds [on paper], which saps some of the fun out of it." (EGM 217)"

notice that he didn't even use the GS review. so tell me again how my points are similar to his.

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#105 Eponique
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When you gonna respond to what I said, NATATO?pyoob

When are you gonna respond to what I said?!

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#106 -The-G-Man-
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]Controls are part of a game, are they not?Vandalvideo

But controls are not the core gameplay. They are existential. Improving the control scheme doesn't necessarily mean you've improved the core gameplay. Its the exact same game at a glance. I didn't notice and amazing motion sensing gameplay elements taht couldn't have been done on a standard controller. In the end, the "feeling of a controller" is mere subjective opinion, and can't really be proven. So you can't prove to me that the Wii version is the definitive version.

How are controls not the core gameplay? Without them, you couldn't play the game at all.

Gameplay elements are things like shooting, collecting stuff, side quests, and how the game rolls along. Changing a control scheme adds nothing to these elements. You're merely changing how you interact with the exact same content. In the end, which control scheme a person prefers is entirely subjective. So you can't prove that the Wii version is the definitive version merely because it has a different control scheme.

But you can't prove it isn't. The point of all this is straight opinions can't be proven wrong, which is why we go by reviews. They are one official source.

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#107 Vandalvideo
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That's a silly request. Kind of like saying gameplay > graphics.The only thing I can do now is: Look at da salez of duh Wii Wii to see whatz izzors wrong with your opinion.Jandurin
So because a lot of people have the opinion that the wiimote is better, it necesarily phaes out my own opinion? Not at all. I prefer a standard controller. Can't prove that wrong.
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#108 NATATO
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[QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]There's no point to the Wii if you don't use the Wii-mote. W/o the Wii-mote it's just last generation software.It's funny because you look at SSBB and it's one of the biggest games coming out for the Wii, yet it doesn't use the Wii-mote. I'd be mad if I owned a Wii and that was the case.MikeE21286

yes it does. It uses all controllers (wii remote side ways, Wii-remote+nunchuck, classic, and GC)

Try again.

Do you use the motion sensing (which is basically what the Wii-Mote is)? No......you try again. The fact that you can use all the controllers (even the GC one lol) is just a complete slap in the face to Wii-owners.

Wait, slap in the face we have a choice to how we want to play? And your making it sound like the Wii-Remote controls won't use motion sensing in SSBB. Even though they havent released how exactly each control works, I'd put 100 bucks on that they will use motion sensing.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl to Offer Control Options

For all the unique possibilities held within the Wii Remote (as well as its trusty sidekick, Nunchuk), it may not always be the best control option when it comes to established franchises or concepts. Masahiro Sakurai, director of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, recognized this potential conundrum and addressed it in a blog post this morning on the official Smash Bros. DOJO!! website.

"I suppose I would recommend the Nintendo GameCube controller, though," he said. :lol: :lol:

Ok, well I don't know why they'd use motion sensing if they were gonna also include the Gamecube controller as being compatible as well, seeing as how the Gamecube controller is does not have motion sensing.

Lol just because a game can use a normal controller, doesn't mean it can't have motion sensoring. You said SSBB doesn't use the Wii remote, and it does and it will have motion sensoring. You lose.

When I said the game would use the Wii-remote included the motion sensing part of it. What else is the Wii (and the Wii-remote) if not for motion sensing? Anyone can agree to that

And I even provdied a link that showed that the game supported all the controllers.

I didn't see anywhere in there where it mentioned motion sensing at all.

You implying that SSBB will use the Wii remote side ways and NOT use motion sensoring? Sorry thats just dumb.

"Hmm? How do you do smashes and dashes with just the Wii Remote?
If I get the chance to tell you, I will."

That sounds like motion sensoring to me.

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#109 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]There's no point to the Wii if you don't use the Wii-mote. W/o the Wii-mote it's just last generation software.It's funny because you look at SSBB and it's one of the biggest games coming out for the Wii, yet it doesn't use the Wii-mote. I'd be mad if I owned a Wii and that was the case.Eponique

yes it does. It uses all controllers (wii remote side ways, Wii-remote+nunchuck, classic, and GC)

Try again.

Do you use the motion sensing (which is basically what the Wii-Mote is)? No......you try again. The fact that you can use all the controllers (even the GC one lol) is just a complete slap in the face to Wii-owners.

Wait, slap in the face we have a choice to how we want to play? And your making it sound like the Wii-Remote controls won't use motion sensing in SSBB. Even though they havent released how exactly each control works, I'd put 100 bucks on that they will use motion sensing.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl to Offer Control Options

For all the unique possibilities held within the Wii Remote (as well as its trusty sidekick, Nunchuk), it may not always be the best control option when it comes to established franchises or concepts. Masahiro Sakurai, director of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, recognized this potential conundrum and addressed it in a blog post this morning on the official Smash Bros. DOJO!! website.

"I suppose I would recommend the Nintendo GameCube controller, though," he said. :lol: :lol:

Ok, well I don't know why they'd use motion sensing if they were gonna also include the Gamecube controller as being compatible as well, seeing as how the Gamecube controller is does not have motion sensing.

So what's stopping it from using motion-sensing? I'm sure throwing an item would require motion-sensing...

If "throwing something"is an acceptable replacement for not having PS3/360 quality graphics, physics, AI, etc and justify the existence of the Wii.....then I'm just at a loss for words.

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#110 pyoob
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Hey, we don't need to bring that up, NATATO.

You're trying to pull out the old "gamecube had the best library of games last gen". No, it didn't. And if the Wii was like that, no. It wouldn't.

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#111 shadow_hosi
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"] That's a silly request. Kind of like saying gameplay > graphics.The only thing I can do now is: Look at da salez of duh Wii Wii to see whatz izzors wrong with your opinion.Vandalvideo
So because a lot of people have the opinion that the wiimote is better, it necesarily phaes out my own opinion? Not at all. I prefer a standard controller. Can't prove that wrong.

its impossable to prove opinions wrong, for they are neather true or false to other people, only to yourself

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#112 Vandalvideo
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But you can't prove it isn't. The point of all this is straight opinions can't be proven wrong, which is why we go by reviews. They are one official source.-The-G-Man-
The thing is, you CAN prove that there has been improvement to gameplay elements by adding features. You can't, however, prove that one control scheme is the definitive version, simple because that is mere opinion and can't be proven with quantitive evidence. The review does not prove the Wii version is any better than the gamecube as a fact. It merely shows that its some guys OPINION that they prefer that control scheme. Simple as that.
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[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]But you can't prove it isn't. The point of all this is straight opinions can't be proven wrong, which is why we go by reviews. They are one official source.Vandalvideo
The thing is, you CAN prove that there has been improvement to gameplay elements by adding features. You can't, however, prove that one control scheme is the definitive version, simple because that is mere opinion and can't be proven with quantitive evidence. The review does not prove the Wii version is any better than the gamecube as a fact. It merely shows that its some guys OPINION that they prefer that control scheme. Simple as that.

Better to use one collective source than some random forumite's opinion.

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#114 shadow_hosi
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But you can't prove it isn't. The point of all this is straight opinions can't be proven wrong, which is why we go by reviews. They are one official source.-The-G-Man-

reviews are opinions same as me saying 'i think atari is the best system ever, prove that wrong' you cant prove that i dont think atari is the best system ever, wich i do infact think that.

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#115 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]But you can't prove it isn't. The point of all this is straight opinions can't be proven wrong, which is why we go by reviews. They are one official source.-The-G-Man-

The thing is, you CAN prove that there has been improvement to gameplay elements by adding features. You can't, however, prove that one control scheme is the definitive version, simple because that is mere opinion and can't be proven with quantitive evidence. The review does not prove the Wii version is any better than the gamecube as a fact. It merely shows that its some guys OPINION that they prefer that control scheme. Simple as that.

Better to use one collective source than some random forumite's opinion.

His opinion, however, does not outweigh my opinion. Him stating, "I like the feel of the wiimote more" does not outweigh me saying, "well I don't". His opinion does not prove mine wrong. Simple as that.
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#116 shadow_hosi
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]But you can't prove it isn't. The point of all this is straight opinions can't be proven wrong, which is why we go by reviews. They are one official source.-The-G-Man-

The thing is, you CAN prove that there has been improvement to gameplay elements by adding features. You can't, however, prove that one control scheme is the definitive version, simple because that is mere opinion and can't be proven with quantitive evidence. The review does not prove the Wii version is any better than the gamecube as a fact. It merely shows that its some guys OPINION that they prefer that control scheme. Simple as that.

Better to use one collective source than some random forumite's opinion.

an opinion is an opinion no matter how many people say it, it cant be proven eather way

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#117 Eponique
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Hey, we don't need to bring that up, NATATO.

You're trying to pull out the old "gamecube had the best library of games last gen". No, it didn't. And if the Wii was like that, no. It wouldn't.

pyoob

What in the world?! And that's opinion. Even in my opinion GC library > PS2 library. But it's OPINION.

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#118 NATATO
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Hey, we don't need to bring that up, NATATO.

You're trying to pull out the old "gamecube had the best library of games last gen". No, it didn't. And if the Wii was like that, no. It wouldn't.

pyoob

No PS2 has the best library of last gen, because it has like 4 times as many AAAs and Xbox and GC.

I'm saying you're using Wiis worst games as an example of why it's a bad console, when consoles should be judged by their best games.

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If "throwing something"is an acceptable replacement for not having PS3/360 quality graphics, physics, AI, etc and justify the existence of the Wii.....then I'm just at a loss for words.MikeE21286

If the Wii costed as much as the 360/PS3 you'd have a point. Nintendo could have released a system that was graphically on par with the other two systems, costed as much AND have the Wiimote. Graphics wasn't a casualty this time around, it just wasn't needed. Hell, it would have been detremental to Nintendo if it went that way.

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[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]But you can't prove it isn't. The point of all this is straight opinions can't be proven wrong, which is why we go by reviews. They are one official source.Vandalvideo

The thing is, you CAN prove that there has been improvement to gameplay elements by adding features. You can't, however, prove that one control scheme is the definitive version, simple because that is mere opinion and can't be proven with quantitive evidence. The review does not prove the Wii version is any better than the gamecube as a fact. It merely shows that its some guys OPINION that they prefer that control scheme. Simple as that.

Better to use one collective source than some random forumite's opinion.

His opinion, however, does not outweigh my opinion. Him stating, "I like the feel of the wiimote more" does not outweigh me saying, "well I don't". His opinion does not prove mine wrong. Simple as that.

This is what I absolutely hate. Reviews are always used to say "oh, this system has better games", "oh this game is better than another" or something else like that. But when someone doesn't agree with the score the game gets, it doesn't matter anymore.

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#121 Eponique
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Go read the Gamecube review for TP, it says the Wiimote is better, but it feels tacked on, but it's still better.

And I don't see how it didn't live up to what it promised to be, 'cause most people thought it would be Gamecubed.

Eponique

Plannin' to reply to this TC? Because you haven't for about 70 posts.

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#122 shadow_hosi
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]But you can't prove it isn't. The point of all this is straight opinions can't be proven wrong, which is why we go by reviews. They are one official source.-The-G-Man-

The thing is, you CAN prove that there has been improvement to gameplay elements by adding features. You can't, however, prove that one control scheme is the definitive version, simple because that is mere opinion and can't be proven with quantitive evidence. The review does not prove the Wii version is any better than the gamecube as a fact. It merely shows that its some guys OPINION that they prefer that control scheme. Simple as that.

Better to use one collective source than some random forumite's opinion.

His opinion, however, does not outweigh my opinion. Him stating, "I like the feel of the wiimote more" does not outweigh me saying, "well I don't". His opinion does not prove mine wrong. Simple as that.

This is what I absolutely hate. Reviews are always used to say "oh, this system has better games", "oh this game is better than another" or something else like that. But when someone doesn't agree with the score the game gets, it doesn't matter anymore.

reviews ARE the persons opinion, they arent final word fact and everyone has to agree with it, you cant possably be that blinded by profesional OPINION that you mindlessly agree with it

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#123 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Go read the Gamecube review for TP, it says the Wiimote is better, but it feels tacked on, but it's still better.

And I don't see how it didn't live up to what it promised to be, 'cause most people thought it would be Gamecubed.

Eponique

Plannin' to reply to this TC? Because you haven't for about 70 posts.

he doesn't reply to things that are facts.

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#124 pyoob
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Hey NATATO, I think this thread is getting out of hand, lets go to the pool and talk this out in person. And its really hot out, so then we can cool down too.
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

RE4 was great before the wii. but most reviews have said that the wii version is the best because of the controls. my conclusion, wiimote done right can make games better even ones that are already great.

Ontain

Seriously, did you read what the TC typed? He has stated that same point & furthermore, I would love to know what the heck will Wii have to offer when ( this is fact but you most wait till MS says so ) 360 has the MSmote - then what ?

yes i did. did you? no he didn't state the same point and he didn't reach the same conclusion did he? show me where he said the wiimote greatly enhanced the experience of RE4. because this is what he did say: "Some even had quips with the controls, and how they are "more complicated than it sounds [on paper], which saps some of the fun out of it." (EGM 217)"

notice that he didn't even use the GS review. so tell me again how my points are similar to his.

OMG - you Wii fans are well ummm ok forget that - He stated that Warioware ( or whatever thats called ) made good use of the Wii remote and the mini game sports collection had done the same ! Hence ( read slowly ) he already stated in his firt post that when the Wiimote is used correctly he liked it and found it added to teh game play.

His beef is that there are only a few games out of many that has done the Wiimote right and all other games on Wii that lack " teh innovationski lol " give nothing to the gamer but bad graphics and no innovationski ( I just like that made up word now LMAO ) - oh and ;)

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#126 NATATO
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Hey NATATO, I think this thread is getting out of hand, lets go to the pool and talk this out in person. And its really hot out, so then we can cool down too.pyoob

Is this you escape? True there are two different groups argueing, but I don't really feel like going to the pool.

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#127 Eponique
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Go play Trauma Centre, and then come back to us saying the Wii hasn't made gaming better, because you just seem to get your facts from nowhere.
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#128 Vandalvideo
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Go play Trauma Centre, and then come back to us saying the Wii hasn't made gaming better, because you just seem to get your facts from nowhere.Eponique
Don't you mean opinions?
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#129 -The-G-Man-
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reviews ARE the persons opinion, they arent final word fact and everyone has to agree with it, you cant possably be that blinded by profesional OPINION that you mindlessly agree with it

shadow_hosi

They are opinions, I realize that. But that's what we always go by in System Wars. And people nowadays seem to only agree with reviews when it's of best interest to them. "Gears of War is better than Resistance because it scored higher. Wait, Warioware got AAA? LOL, it's a minigame collection. And reviews are opinions anyway so that doesn't mean it's better than this game."

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#130 pyoob
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[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Go read the Gamecube review for TP, it says the Wiimote is better, but it feels tacked on, but it's still better.

And I don't see how it didn't live up to what it promised to be, 'cause most people thought it would be Gamecubed.

Ontain

Plannin' to reply to this TC? Because you haven't for about 70 posts.

he doesn't reply to things that are facts.

HEY. STFU. I don't read small posts intently, becuase it doesn't have facts behind most of its opinions. Try saying something that I actually feel the need to respond to. And I can tell you as a fact I did not originally think that Wii would be the rehashed Cube that it is with motion sensing. I'M DONE FOR TODAY. Goodbye.

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#131 Ontain
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Strange, you understood though, I realise you are not the tipical Wii fan ( A ;) ) for the poser above who has a tough time with reading with comprehention something he dissagrees with -lol.

SecretPolice

since it's you who i believe to be reading impaired i'll break it down for you.

He says that RE4 is great without the wii controls and gives a quote that says wii controls lessen the game (from EGM).

I said that RE4 is great before the wii and is made even better because of the wii controls (according to GS review among others).

these are not the same point.

the conclusions are clearly not the same as well.

how are they the same again? :roll:

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#132 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]There's no point to the Wii if you don't use the Wii-mote. W/o the Wii-mote it's just last generation software.It's funny because you look at SSBB and it's one of the biggest games coming out for the Wii, yet it doesn't use the Wii-mote. I'd be mad if I owned a Wii and that was the case.NATATO

yes it does. It uses all controllers (wii remote side ways, Wii-remote+nunchuck, classic, and GC)

Try again.

Do you use the motion sensing (which is basically what the Wii-Mote is)? No......you try again. The fact that you can use all the controllers (even the GC one lol) is just a complete slap in the face to Wii-owners.

Wait, slap in the face we have a choice to how we want to play? And your making it sound like the Wii-Remote controls won't use motion sensing in SSBB. Even though they havent released how exactly each control works, I'd put 100 bucks on that they will use motion sensing.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl to Offer Control Options

For all the unique possibilities held within the Wii Remote (as well as its trusty sidekick, Nunchuk), it may not always be the best control option when it comes to established franchises or concepts. Masahiro Sakurai, director of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, recognized this potential conundrum and addressed it in a blog post this morning on the official Smash Bros. DOJO!! website.

"I suppose I would recommend the Nintendo GameCube controller, though," he said. :lol: :lol:

Ok, well I don't know why they'd use motion sensing if they were gonna also include the Gamecube controller as being compatible as well, seeing as how the Gamecube controller is does not have motion sensing.

Lol just because a game can use a normal controller, doesn't mean it can't have motion sensoring. You said SSBB doesn't use the Wii remote, and it does and it will have motion sensoring. You lose.

When I said the game would use the Wii-remote included the motion sensing part of it. What else is the Wii (and the Wii-remote) if not for motion sensing? Anyone can agree to that

And I even provdied a link that showed that the game supported all the controllers.

I didn't see anywhere in there where it mentioned motion sensing at all.

You implying that SSBB will use the Wii remote side ways and NOT use motion sensoring? Sorry thats just dumb.

"Hmm? How do you do smashes and dashes with just the Wii Remote?
If I get the chance to tell you, I will."

That sounds like motion sensoring to me.

Well if you would have actually clicked on the link I provided you with you would noticed that........

"WiiRemote (Turned on it's Side)" was a controller option.

How that is dumb on my part or assumption I don't know. Maybe you can help me explain that one.

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#133 Keistation2
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The Wiimote obviously didn't enhance the game for some, ahem the And about lackluster titles on the Wii: Escape From Bug Island, reviewed in that same EGM, averaged out at a 2.6 for its score. NINTENDO HAS THE ABILITY TO STOP THAT. THEY AREN'T. They can look at a game, hate it, and yell "Go back to the drawing board!"pyoob

How often does any game company actually do that? Don't you think we'd have fewercrap games on any console if that was the case? What was Microsoft doing when that awful Bruce Lee game was released on the XBox? Or Drake of the 99 Dragons?

Wether or not they have the ability to stop bad games from being made, they aren't doing it.

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#134 Eponique
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[QUOTE="pyoob"]Hey NATATO, I think this thread is getting out of hand, lets go to the pool and talk this out in person. And its really hot out, so then we can cool down too.NATATO

Is this you escape? True there are two different groups argueing, but I don't really feel like going to the pool.

AHAHAHA WTH?! xD 2 hillarious posts in this thread and counting.

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#135 pyoob
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[QUOTE="pyoob"]Hey NATATO, I think this thread is getting out of hand, lets go to the pool and talk this out in person. And its really hot out, so then we can cool down too.NATATO

Is this you escape? True there are two different groups argueing, but I don't really feel like going to the pool.

Oh come on guy. Its hot out, we can cool off and tan our hot bods at the same time while continuing this argument without the annoying wait between posts.

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#136 SecretPolice  Online
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Strange, you understood though, I realise you are not the tipical Wii fan ( A ;) ) for the poser above who has a tough time with reading with comprehention something he dissagrees with -lol.

Ontain

since it's you who i believe to be reading impaired i'll break it down for you.

He says that RE4 is great without the wii controls and gives a quote that says wii controls lessen the game (from EGM).

I said that RE4 is great before the wii and is made even better because of the wii controls (according to GS review among others).

these are not the same point.

the conclusions are clearly not the same as well.

how are they the same again? :roll:

Her - now please read over & over again plzzzzzzzzzzzz ! ;)

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain. Oh I get the semantics now - you want to focus on RE 4 - yeah - nice try but many here including myself are not fooled by these things - Permagoggles will give you a problem - see the doc. and have them removed. ;)

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

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#137 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Go read the Gamecube review for TP, it says the Wiimote is better, but it feels tacked on, but it's still better.

And I don't see how it didn't live up to what it promised to be, 'cause most people thought it would be Gamecubed.

pyoob

Plannin' to reply to this TC? Because you haven't for about 70 posts.

he doesn't reply to things that are facts.

HEY. STFU. I don't read small posts intently, becuase it doesn't have facts behind most of its opinions. Try saying something that I actually feel the need to respond to. And I can tell you as a fact I did not originally think that Wii would be the rehashed Cube that it is with motion sensing. I'M DONE FOR TODAY. Goodbye.

so respond to Eponique rather than me. prove me wrong. there's a fact in his/her post. it's referencing a review that you used in your initial post.

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#138 NATATO
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@ MikeE21286

What? Yes I kow Wii-Remote on it's side is an option. You're saying that controller option won't have motion sensoring because it doesn't say it will (yet) . And I'm saying that is a pretty dumb speculation.

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#139 Eponique
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

Go read the Gamecube review for TP, it says the Wiimote is better, but it feels tacked on, but it's still better.

And I don't see how it didn't live up to what it promised to be, 'cause most people thought it would be Gamecubed.

pyoob

Plannin' to reply to this TC? Because you haven't for about 70 posts.

he doesn't reply to things that are facts.

HEY. STFU. I don't read small posts intently, becuase it doesn't have facts behind most of its opinions. Try saying something that I actually feel the need to respond to. And I can tell you as a fact I did not originally think that Wii would be the rehashed Cube that it is with motion sensing. I'M DONE FOR TODAY. Goodbye.

O.o... Okay, you're right, he doesn't reply to things that are facts. Goodbye!

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#140 arinya
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I can't help but think your opinion comes too soon. Nintendo is getting ready to release several new Wii games....Strikers, MP3 to name afew and they are made for the Wii's controls. As for now What about Elebits and Trauma Center? Nevermind your arguement stinks.
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#141 NATATO
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[QUOTE="NATATO"]

[QUOTE="pyoob"]Hey NATATO, I think this thread is getting out of hand, lets go to the pool and talk this out in person. And its really hot out, so then we can cool down too.pyoob

Is this you escape? True there are two different groups argueing, but I don't really feel like going to the pool.

Oh come on guy. Its hot out, we can cool off and tan our hot bods at the same time while continuing this argument without the annoying wait between posts.

maybe later, I duno I like seeing everyone pissed off in the midst of an arguement.

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#142 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Strange, you understood though, I realise you are not the tipical Wii fan ( A ;) ) for the poser above who has a tough time with reading with comprehention something he dissagrees with -lol.

SecretPolice

since it's you who i believe to be reading impaired i'll break it down for you.

He says that RE4 is great without the wii controls and gives a quote that says wii controls lessen the game (from EGM).

I said that RE4 is great before the wii and is made even better because of the wii controls (according to GS review among others).

these are not the same point.

the conclusions are clearly not the same as well.

how are they the same again? :roll:

Her - now please read over & over again plzzzzzzzzzzzz ! ;)

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain.

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

why are you talking about WW. where in my post did i argue about WW? are you reading my posts at all? I'm arguing the point he made about RE4. do you not see that?

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#143 Goten_king
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NEWSFLASH! THE WII HAS ONLY BEEN OUT FOR... let me check... about.... 8 MONTHS. NOT EVEN A YEAR.

Why.. honestly do people expect a completely new technology to be perfect in 0 time at all. Most great games have developments of at least a year... Devs have had the wii for... barely a year... and with this new tech, theres no way they can be expected to use its perfectly. Wait one year... you'll see.


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#144 MikeE21286
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@ MikeE21286

What? Yes I kow Wii-Remote on it's side is an option. You're saying that controller option won't have motion sensoring because it doesn't say it will (yet) . And I'm saying that is a pretty dumb speculation.

NATATO

Neither of us in the end can prove if it will or will not use motion sensoring.

But the fact that the Head Director of the SSBB game itself said............

"I suppose I would recommend the Nintendo GameCube controller, though,"

Speaks volumes as to if motion sensoring would be used at all, or to the level (probably cheap gimmick) that it would be used at if implemented

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#145 Cesar_Barba
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...-there are at least 3 games that could not be done on the other consoles. You forgot Trauma Centre, which is a hardcore game...GunSmith1_basic
You beat me to it.
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#146 MikeE21286
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NEWSFLASH! THE WII HAS ONLY BEEN OUT FOR... let me check... about.... 8 MONTHS. NOT EVEN A YEAR.

Why.. honestly do people expect a completely new technology to be perfect in 0 time at all. Most great games have developments of at least a year... Devs have had the wii for... barely a year... and with this new tech, theres no way they can be expected to use its perfectly. Wait one year... you'll see.


Goten_king

Just giving it the same chance everyone is giving the PS3 ;)

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#147 SecretPolice  Online
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Strange, you understood though, I realise you are not the tipical Wii fan ( A ;) ) for the poser above who has a tough time with reading with comprehention something he dissagrees with -lol.

Ontain

since it's you who i believe to be reading impaired i'll break it down for you.

He says that RE4 is great without the wii controls and gives a quote that says wii controls lessen the game (from EGM).

I said that RE4 is great before the wii and is made even better because of the wii controls (according to GS review among others).

these are not the same point.

the conclusions are clearly not the same as well.

how are they the same again? :roll:

Her - now please read over & over again plzzzzzzzzzzzz ! ;)

Only 2 of the best games on Wii are great because they're on Wii. Let me explain.

WarioWare: Smooth Moves is a very fun game, only possible on the Wii becuase of it's unique gameplay and how it is complemented by intricate motion-sensing (sorry Sixaxis, you couldn't doit you piece of crap) controls. It is great because it is on Wii, and it needs to be. Next up: Wii Sports. Wii Sports is an addicting yet tiny collection of minigames that is great fun because of your ability to swing the Wiimote like a tennis raquet and jab with the Wiimote like a boxer would. It's great fun only on Wii because you can only do it on Wii.

why are you talking about WW. where in my post did i argue about WW? are you reading my posts at all? I'm arguing the point he made about RE4. do you not see that?

Yeah - see my edit in previous post - point still stands and tricks are for kidds. ;) You do nothing to rebut the totality of his well thought out and honest assesment of the Wii as a whole.
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#148 frodnekcod
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Seems to me a well thought out and intellectually honest assesment. Good job but most Wii fans are system fans not game fans ( it seems IMHO ) and will flame this thread in droves.

Heres my flame shield and as you can tell its been well used - good luck ! ;)

SecretPolice

everyone on this board is a system fan, hence its name, but you dont need a flame shield to defend yourself against sheep, you need to give the flame shield to us because all the cows and lems are gonna come in here and bash our system.

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#149 NATATO
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[QUOTE="NATATO"]

@ MikeE21286

What? Yes I kow Wii-Remote on it's side is an option. You're saying that controller option won't have motion sensoring because it doesn't say it will (yet) . And I'm saying that is a pretty dumb speculation.

MikeE21286

Neither of us in the end can prove if it will or will not use motion sensoring.

But the fact that the Head Director of the SSBB game itself said............

"I suppose I would recommend the Nintendo GameCube controller, though,"

Speaks volumes as to if motion sensoring would be used at all, or to the level (probably cheap gimmick) that it would be used at if implemented

Leader designer also said this

"Hmm? How do you do smashes and dashes with just the Wii Remote?
If I get the chance to tell you, I will. "

What do you think the answer to that is? THE B BUTTON ZOMG!?!?!? No, It's obviously motion sensoring.

And just because the deisigner of the game like tradition controllers, doesn't mean he will disclude it from the game because he knows other people might enoy motion sensoring.

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#150 Eponique
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[QUOTE="NATATO"]

@ MikeE21286

What? Yes I kow Wii-Remote on it's side is an option. You're saying that controller option won't have motion sensoring because it doesn't say it will (yet) . And I'm saying that is a pretty dumb speculation.

MikeE21286

Neither of us in the end can prove if it will or will not use motion sensoring.

But the fact that the Head Director of the SSBB game itself said............

"I suppose I would recommend the Nintendo GameCube controller, though,"

Speaks volumes as to if motion sensoring would be used at all, or to the level (probably cheap gimmick) that it would be used at if implemented

That DBZ game lets you use the Gamecube/Classic/Wiimote... but it still has motion sensing. Just because there's a gamecube controller doesn't mean the chance for motion-sensing is gone. They can still do it in stuff like throwing items or tilting the controller up to make you jump. There're still possibilities.