The Witcher 2 Leaked Online

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="malikmmm"] so the person who leaked that was a pc gamer in your opinion ? :roll: right....malikmmm

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Link?DroidPhysX

and the DS has some pretty high numbers as well. Now,considering that it´s a lot easier to pirate on the PC,I think the PSP problem is even worse.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Link?GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="malikmmm"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It was pirated via PC. Therefore a PC pirate. Who do you think pirated it...aliens with laser pistols and infrared data collection technology? Can bigfoot use a computer now?

KC_Hokie

and someone who pirates a console game is also a pc pirate ? according to you since it was pirated via pc ?

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Piracy is bigger problem on PC than any other platform. PC developers have acknowledged this. Rampant PC piracy is the biggest flaw of PC gaming. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] Having more piracy does not make console piracy nonexistent. ANd if you check a torrent site the leak of witcher 2 has alot less people downloading it than brink on the 360. A game that got leaked early on the 360.

ferret-gamer

That's like talking about the country with the highest crime rate then pointing out there is crime somewhere else. OK, but doesn't change the original point.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Well that sucks. This another reason to go digital only tbh.

SAGE_OF_FIRE

I wonder if its too late to cancel my preorder and save myself $45?

Just kidding :P

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

Yeah, Call of Duty Black Ops and Modern Warfare 2 were both pirated 4+ million times within 2 months of their release.

Within that same two month period the Xbox 360 version of Black Ops and MW2 was pirated 930,000 and 970,000 times, respectively. So it's really closer to "one-fourth" rather than "one-eighth".

The frustrating thing about PC piracy is just that popular games are usually pirated well in excess of sales numbers. Whereas with consoles, sales numbers usually well exceed the number of pirated copies.

Bebi_vegeta

I hate the COD example since they pissed the PC community badly. It's like taking the worst example out of PC negative part and making it like it was representatif of the whole PC gaming.

But it's not an excuse, it's too bad. Either the game gets pirated on PC or consoles... it's a shame.

Mass Effect 2 at 3.2+ million, The Sims 3 at 3.2 million+, StarCraft 2 at 3.1+ million... if it was really about PC gamers being pissed off, Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 2 should've been at the top of the list. I think the reality is the games that get pirated multimillion times on PC are just simply the most popular games among PC gamers.

I'm updating my Enhanced Edition.

I got it for 7 bucks.Can't wait.

[QUOTE="malikmmm"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It was pirated via PC. Therefore a PC pirate. Who do you think pirated it...aliens with laser pistols and infrared data collection technology? Can bigfoot use a computer now?

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It was pirated via PC. Therefore a PC pirate. Who do you think pirated it...aliens with laser pistols and infrared data collection technology? Can bigfoot use a computer now?

KC_Hokie

So what about console games, software, and handheld games?

A pirate is a pirate. No changing that. Useless to single them out.

No its not. NDS and PSP have it beat easily.

Cost and customer awareness is the biggest flaw holding PC gaming back, not piracy.

I already bought the game a few days ago. I won't download it until the day of release.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="malikmmm"] that is one of the most lamest comment i have ever seen here on gamespot forums since 2003. DONT you get it or do you even read comments before quoting someone? ? so tell me people who pirate console games are in your opinion "pc pirates too" ? since it was pirated on pc ?-Unreal-

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Link?GeneralShowzer

The DS seems to be somewhere inbetween PC/PSP levels and Xbox 360/Wii levels.

May any pirate that pirates this game **** burn in hell. i swear to **** god. **** BASTARDS **** !

Unlike leaked console games, you can't play The Witcher 2 until a crack is available after the release date. We legitimate buyers will still be the first ones to play the game. :D

But a digital copy won't stop piracy. :?xsubtownerx

It won't but it does stop pre-release leaks.

I hope some some buddy fills the torrents full of mal-ware, and steals all the pirates money with key loggers. That would be justice.

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[QUOTE="indzman"]

There goes The Witcher 2's P.C market :( . PC pirates've no loyalty towards The Witcher 2 . CD Projekt better hurry with console release of The Witcher 2 ( Money , Fame awaits in console market ) :)

indzman

Wow. Really?

Yeah , its a fact .

Crytek learnt in the hard way with Crysis . See Crysis 2 now and its a commercial success :)

May any pirate that pirates this game **** burn in hell. i swear to **** god. **** BASTARDS **** !

argetlam00

It would be good for your computers health to avoid such things ;)

Unlike leaked console games, you can't play The Witcher 2 until a crack is available after the release date. We legitimate buyers will still be the first ones to play the game. :D

RyuRanVII

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[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

Yeah, Call of Duty Black Ops and Modern Warfare 2 were both pirated 4+ million times within 2 months of their release.

Within that same two month period the Xbox 360 version of Black Ops and MW2 was pirated 930,000 and 970,000 times, respectively. So it's really closer to "one-fourth" rather than "one-eighth".

The frustrating thing about PC piracy is just that popular games are usually pirated well in excess of sales numbers. Whereas with consoles, sales numbers usually well exceed the number of pirated copies.

SakusEnvoy

I hate the COD example since they pissed the PC community badly. It's like taking the worst example out of PC negative part and making it like it was representatif of the whole PC gaming.

But it's not an excuse, it's too bad. Either the game gets pirated on PC or consoles... it's a shame.

Mass Effect 2 at 3.2+ million, The Sims 3 at 3.2 million+, StarCraft 2 at 3.1+ million... if it was really about PC gamers being pissed off, Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 2 should've been at the top of the list. I think the reality is the games that get pirated multimillion times on PC are just simply the most popular games among PC gamers.

LOL, well BF2BC is not a real Battlefeild PC game if you know what I mean. But yeah, popular games do get pirated alot, and also get bought alot... except for COD?

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I hate the COD example since they pissed the PC community badly. It's like taking the worst example out of PC negative part and making it like it was representatif of the whole PC gaming.

But it's not an excuse, it's too bad. Either the game gets pirated on PC or consoles... it's a shame.

Bebi_vegeta

Mass Effect 2 at 3.2+ million, The Sims 3 at 3.2 million+, StarCraft 2 at 3.1+ million... if it was really about PC gamers being pissed off, Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 2 should've been at the top of the list. I think the reality is the games that get pirated multimillion times on PC are just simply the most popular games among PC gamers.

LOL, well BF2BC is not a real Battlefeild PC game if you know what I mean. But yeah, popular games do get pirated alot, and also get bought alot... except for COD?

All I can say about BC2 numbers is that it doesn't matter. Pirates can't play online and who the hell in their right-mind would bother more than 5 minutes with the SP?

And SC2 was not pirated 3 million times. Many use torrents to get games early or for faster downloads (Blizzard uses torrents FFS) and this doesn't count people who start/stop and try multiple torrent links.

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[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Do PC gamers care? Forget generosity. It's going to be pirated to hell and back. Even though I am buying it on PC, I say bring on the Console version. If there were a PS3 or 360 version I would've bought it on either of those first. Though I think this pretty much ensures a Console version at some point.

Puckhog04

Well I beleive any company wants to make more money, so bringing the game to console only makes sense.

But, that has nothing to do with pirating the game... Because games are just as pirated before they are release on console too.

True, games are pirated on consoles as well. Though not even 1/8 of what is pirated on PC. You do not have games getting pirated 4 million times on a Console. Most of these games sell better on Consoles because of the fact that pirating is rare when compared to PC pirating. But, yes, Console games are pirated as well. It's just a shame CDProjekt is going to lose money like this. I'm actually picking up Witcher 2 next week, it looks great.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

True, games are pirated on consoles as well. Though not even 1/8 of what is pirated on PC. You do not have games getting pirated 4 million times on a Console. Most of these games sell better on Consoles because of the fact that pirating is rare when compared to PC pirating. But, yes, Console games are pirated as well. It's just a shame CDProjekt is going to lose money like this. I'm actually picking up Witcher 2 next week, it looks great.

DragonfireXZ95

Sid Meier's Pirates!

[QUOTE="indzman"]

[QUOTE="agpickle"]

[QUOTE="indzman"]

There goes The Witcher 2's P.C market :( . PC pirates've no loyalty towards The Witcher 2 . CD Projekt better hurry with console release of The Witcher 2 ( Money , Fame awaits in console market ) :)

yellosnolvr

Wow. Really?

Yeah , its a fact .

Crytek learnt in the hard way with Crysis . See Crysis 2 now and its a commercial success :)

Crysis and Crysis Warhead has sold over 5 million on PC. Crysis 2 has sold less than half that on 3 platforms! Oh yes a big commercial success, considering they had a bigger budget this time.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I hate the COD example since they pissed the PC community badly. It's like taking the worst example out of PC negative part and making it like it was representatif of the whole PC gaming.

But it's not an excuse, it's too bad. Either the game gets pirated on PC or consoles... it's a shame.

Bebi_vegeta

Mass Effect 2 at 3.2+ million, The Sims 3 at 3.2 million+, StarCraft 2 at 3.1+ million... if it was really about PC gamers being pissed off, Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 2 should've been at the top of the list. I think the reality is the games that get pirated multimillion times on PC are just simply the most popular games among PC gamers.

LOL, well BF2BC is not a real Battlefeild PC game if you know what I mean. But yeah, popular games do get pirated alot, and also get bought alot... except for COD?

And yet Bad Company 2 has sold more on the PC now. Add the fact that the PC version gives them a much bigger slice of the profit, compared to the console versions.

Not a big deal, considering many pc games and now console games are leaked before release. Also, it is in russian and unplayable, so it's less a leak and more some extra gigabytes on your hard disk right now. I do hope however somebody catches the idiots and puts them in jail. guys like these give Pc gamers a bad name.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"] Well, even if that is the case, the same source says that Battlefield Bad Company 2 was pirated almost 4 million times (3,960,000), but was pirated some number less than 930,000 on Xbox 360 since it failed to make the Top 5. What has Battlefield Bad Company 2 done to piss off the PC community?

Mass Effect 2 at 3.2+ million, The Sims 3 at 3.2 million+, StarCraft 2 at 3.1+ million... if it was really about PC gamers being pissed off, Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 2 should've been at the top of the list. I think the reality is the games that get pirated multimillion times on PC are just simply the most popular games among PC gamers.

ducati101

LOL, well BF2BC is not a real Battlefeild PC game if you know what I mean. But yeah, popular games do get pirated alot, and also get bought alot... except for COD?

And yet Bad Company 2 has sold more on the PC now. Add the fact that the PC version gives them a much bigger slice of the profit, compared to the console versions.

[QUOTE="ducati101"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

LOL, well BF2BC is not a real Battlefeild PC game if you know what I mean. But yeah, popular games do get pirated alot, and also get bought alot... except for COD?

SakusEnvoy

And yet Bad Company 2 has sold more on the PC now. Add the fact that the PC version gives them a much bigger slice of the profit, compared to the console versions.

Man this is disgusting, a developer who truly has a passion for what they are making and listen to the fans and care about the fans, yet some cheap **** pirate the damn game, its despicable. If you are poor and cant afford t buy a game, maybe gaming is not or should not be your hobby. Hell the game only costs $50, which is less than the hourly salary of many individuals (and technically if you went to a good college/university and put effort in, you should be having no problem making that money per hour). Anyway, disgusting, but hell i'll buy the game when (as soon as) it comes out, even though I probably wont have the time to play it till the end of August. jonathant5

Wait, did you just say that many individuals make 50+ dollars an hour? Lmao, that's like 5-10% of America, and the only people that make that kind of money are either lucky or been in the business(with constant promotion) for like 20+ years.

Man this is disgusting, a developer who truly has a passion for what they are making and listen to the fans and care about the fans, yet some cheap **** pirate the damn game, its despicable. If you are poor and cant afford t buy a game, maybe gaming is not or should not be your hobby. Hell the game only costs $50, which is less than the hourly salary of many individuals (and technically if you went to a good college/university and put effort in, you should be having no problem making that money per hour). Anyway, disgusting, but hell i'll buy the game when (as soon as) it comes out, even though I probably wont have the time to play it till the end of August. jonathant5

Lol, what the hell. How many people earn $50 an hour? I'm not from the U.S, but using that as an example, you need to be a top U.S lawyer to even earn close to $50 an hour.

At $50 an hour a full time job earns you around $145,000 a year.

Gaming as a hobby is relatively expensive, even if it was your primary hobby (then it would be considered an investment).

Nevertheless, anything to do with piracy or illegitimate possession also peeves me off.

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]Man this is disgusting, a developer who truly has a passion for what they are making and listen to the fans and care about the fans, yet some cheap **** pirate the damn game, its despicable. If you are poor and cant afford t buy a game, maybe gaming is not or should not be your hobby. Hell the game only costs $50, which is less than the hourly salary of many individuals (and technically if you went to a good college/university and put effort in, you should be having no problem making that money per hour). Anyway, disgusting, but hell i'll buy the game when (as soon as) it comes out, even though I probably wont have the time to play it till the end of August. FrozenLiquid

Lol, what the hell. How many people earn $50 an hour? I'm not from the U.S, but using that as an example, you need to be a top U.S lawyer to even earn close to $50 an hour.

At $50 an hour a full time job earns you around $145,000 a year.

Gaming as a hobby is relatively expensive, even if it was your primary hobby (then it would be considered an investment).

Nevertheless, anything to do with piracy or illegitimate possession also peeves me off.

im going the buying route for sure :D

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]Man this is disgusting, a developer who truly has a passion for what they are making and listen to the fans and care about the fans, yet some cheap **** pirate the damn game, its despicable. If you are poor and cant afford t buy a game, maybe gaming is not or should not be your hobby. Hell the game only costs $50, which is less than the hourly salary of many individuals (and technically if you went to a good college/university and put effort in, you should be having no problem making that money per hour). Anyway, disgusting, but hell i'll buy the game when (as soon as) it comes out, even though I probably wont have the time to play it till the end of August. jonathant5

Lol, what the hell. How many people earn $50 an hour? I'm not from the U.S, but using that as an example, you need to be a top U.S lawyer to even earn close to $50 an hour.

At $50 an hour a full time job earns you around $145,000 a year.

Gaming as a hobby is relatively expensive, even if it was your primary hobby (then it would be considered an investment).

Nevertheless, anything to do with piracy or illegitimate possession also peeves me off.

If you earned $50,000 a year, and you worked an 8 hour day on a 5 day week, you would earn $24 an hour. I'll break it down for you:

$24 x 8 (1 day) = $192

$192 x 5 (one week) = $960

$960 x 52 (1 year) = $49920

In order to obtain that $50 / hour wage you're presupposing, you would need to earn over $100,000 a year. If the median as you said is at $50,000, I'm willing to bet that those earning over $100,000 a year are in a small percentile of the entire normal distribution of salaries earned across the U.S. Thus only a small number of Americans will be able to afford The Witcher 2 with one hour's worth of pay.

That being said, if you're earning $50 a week fresh out of college, then bloody hell I think everyone wants to be you :P. Unfortunately for the rest of us, we're going to have to start a little smaller!

[QUOTE="jonathant5"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Lol, what the hell. How many people earn $50 an hour? I'm not from the U.S, but using that as an example, you need to be a top U.S lawyer to even earn close to $50 an hour.

At $50 an hour a full time job earns you around $145,000 a year.

Gaming as a hobby is relatively expensive, even if it was your primary hobby (then it would be considered an investment).

Nevertheless, anything to do with piracy or illegitimate possession also peeves me off.

FrozenLiquid

If you earned $50,000 a year, and you worked an 8 hour day on a 5 day week, you would earn $24 an hour. I'll break it down for you:

$24 x 8 (1 day) = $192

$192 x 5 (one week) = $960

$960 x 52 (1 year) = $49920

In order to obtain that $50 / hour wage you're presupposing, you would need to earn over $100,000 a year. If the median as you said is at $50,000, I'm willing to bet that those earning over $100,000 a year are in a small percentile of the entire normal distribution of salaries earned across the U.S. Thus only a small number of Americans will be able to afford The Witcher 2 with one hour's worth of pay.

That being said, if you're earning $50 a week fresh out of college, then bloody hell I think everyone wants to be you :P. Unfortunately for the rest of us, we're going to have to start a little smaller!

Like Valve and Blizzard games, this is just something you just don't pirate. Its sad that games like this get leaked. Hopefully not pirated too much. Even on the torrent page there is a huge proportion of people telling not to pirate it.

ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]Man this is disgusting, a developer who truly has a passion for what they are making and listen to the fans and care about the fans, yet some cheap **** pirate the damn game, its despicable. If you are poor and cant afford t buy a game, maybe gaming is not or should not be your hobby. Hell the game only costs $50, which is less than the hourly salary of many individuals (and technically if you went to a good college/university and put effort in, you should be having no problem making that money per hour). Anyway, disgusting, but hell i'll buy the game when (as soon as) it comes out, even though I probably wont have the time to play it till the end of August. FrozenLiquid

Lol, what the hell. How many people earn $50 an hour? I'm not from the U.S, but using that as an example, you need to be a top U.S lawyer to even earn close to $50 an hour.

At $50 an hour a full time job earns you around $145,000 a year.

Gaming as a hobby is relatively expensive, even if it was your primary hobby (then it would be considered an investment).

Nevertheless, anything to do with piracy or illegitimate possession also peeves me off.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

Like Valve and Blizzard games, this is just something you just don't pirate. Its sad that games like this get leaked. Hopefully not pirated too much. Even on the torrent page there is a huge proportion of people telling not to pirate it.

WilliamRLBaker

Actually at $50 an hour if we assume that they work for 8 hours a day, then they would be making around $96000. The median income in the US (for those who have a bachelors degree or higher) was around $50000 (this data is based on the US Census of 2006), so in around 6 years, due to inflation as well as wage increases and etc, the median income will also have increased. Now I should have worded myself better, there is a decent amount of people (in the case of US more than 50%) that make more than 50k a year. So it is not unrealistic to expect that an individual will make around that area, and if not, then if we do take account the median household income (which would probably be a bit more than a 100k), then we would expect that the household as a whole generates on average more than $50 per hour. If you are a top US lawyer, you will be earning much, much more than $50 per hour, and if you are say an investment banker, their salary will be around (300k, once they have been an analyst for around 3 years (data based on quick google search so may be inaccurate)). This would mean that they earn around $80 per hour. The number may seem smaller than one expects, but thats given that the average work week for someone in that field is around 80 hours a week. Anyway lol sorry i got of trackjonathant5

US ain't the world, i make like 300$ a month.. But i can afford gaming, because i can do other stuff besides working to get my money. You gotta be smart to make money. Sell 'ish, grab oportunities wen they come, etc.

And college ain't gonna do jack *** if you can't find a job based on the profession you choose, which is hard.. its even harder if you have 0 relations were you need to have them. 90% of my co-workers ( 26 - 40 years) have a college, but they can't find anything based on what they studied, so they work night shifts in some stupid place that only needs highschool.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

Like Valve and Blizzard games, this is just something you just don't pirate. Its sad that games like this get leaked. Hopefully not pirated too much. Even on the torrent page there is a huge proportion of people telling not to pirate it.

WilliamRLBaker

I think it comes down to respect. If people respect a company they are less likely to pirate.

If a company shows no repect to its fanbase it tends to get pirated more.

I've never seen anything like this happen before!!

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]Man this is disgusting, a developer who truly has a passion for what they are making and listen to the fans and care about the fans, yet some cheap **** pirate the damn game, its despicable. If you are poor and cant afford t buy a game, maybe gaming is not or should not be your hobby. Hell the game only costs $50, which is less than the hourly salary of many individuals (and technically if you went to a good college/university and put effort in, you should be having no problem making that money per hour). Anyway, disgusting, but hell i'll buy the game when (as soon as) it comes out, even though I probably wont have the time to play it till the end of August. Dynafrom

Lol, what the hell. How many people earn $50 an hour? I'm not from the U.S, but using that as an example, you need to be a top U.S lawyer to even earn close to $50 an hour.

At $50 an hour a full time job earns you around $145,000 a year.

Gaming as a hobby is relatively expensive, even if it was your primary hobby (then it would be considered an investment).

Nevertheless, anything to do with piracy or illegitimate possession also peeves me off.

I don't think I'm confusing myself? lol

$33 an hour is a damn decent wage, but it ain't $50 an hour.

As for the lawyer thing, I was talking about a lawyer's salary, not a private hire.

It would be good if you could ask to clarify before assuming I reckon.