The Witcher 2 Leaked Online

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]Actually at $50 an hour if we assume that they work for 8 hours a day, then they would be making around $96000. The median income in the US (for those who have a bachelors degree or higher) was around $50000 (this data is based on the US Census of 2006), so in around 6 years, due to inflation as well as wage increases and etc, the median income will also have increased. Now I should have worded myself better, there is a decent amount of people (in the case of US more than 50%) that make more than 50k a year. So it is not unrealistic to expect that an individual will make around that area, and if not, then if we do take account the median household income (which would probably be a bit more than a 100k), then we would expect that the household as a whole generates on average more than $50 per hour. If you are a top US lawyer, you will be earning much, much more than $50 per hour, and if you are say an investment banker, their salary will be around (300k, once they have been an analyst for around 3 years (data based on quick google search so may be inaccurate)). This would mean that they earn around $80 per hour. The number may seem smaller than one expects, but thats given that the average work week for someone in that field is around 80 hours a week. Anyway lol sorry i got of trackLucianu

US ain't the world, i make like 300$ a month.. But i can afford gaming, because i can do other stuff besides working to get my money. You gotta be smart to make money. Sell 'ish, grab oportunities wen they come, etc.

And college ain't gonna do jack *** if you can't find a job based on the profession you choose, which is hard.. its even harder if you have 0 relations were you need to have them. 90% of my co-workers ( 26 - 40 years) have a college, but they can't find anything based on what they studied, so they work night shifts in some stupid place that only needs highschool.

Have some colleagues who did doctorates in film studies, thought they'd be the next Spielberg and all that.

Sucks for them to be working graveyard shifts at massive chains on a minimum wage lol.

Degrees aren't everything, apparently :P

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

Like Valve and Blizzard games, this is just something you just don't pirate. Its sad that games like this get leaked. Hopefully not pirated too much. Even on the torrent page there is a huge proportion of people telling not to pirate it.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

Like Valve and Blizzard games, this is just something you just don't pirate. Its sad that games like this get leaked. Hopefully not pirated too much. Even on the torrent page there is a huge proportion of people telling not to pirate it.

ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]Man this is disgusting, a developer who truly has a passion for what they are making and listen to the fans and care about the fans, yet some cheap **** pirate the damn game, its despicable. If you are poor and cant afford t buy a game, maybe gaming is not or should not be your hobby. Hell the game only costs $50, which is less than the hourly salary of many individuals (and technically if you went to a good college/university and put effort in, you should be having no problem making that money per hour). Anyway, disgusting, but hell i'll buy the game when (as soon as) it comes out, even though I probably wont have the time to play it till the end of August. FrozenLiquid

Lol, what the hell. How many people earn $50 an hour? I'm not from the U.S, but using that as an example, you need to be a top U.S lawyer to even earn close to $50 an hour.

At $50 an hour a full time job earns you around $145,000 a year.

Gaming as a hobby is relatively expensive, even if it was your primary hobby (then it would be considered an investment).

Nevertheless, anything to do with piracy or illegitimate possession also peeves me off.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]Man this is disgusting, a developer who truly has a passion for what they are making and listen to the fans and care about the fans, yet some cheap **** pirate the damn game, its despicable. If you are poor and cant afford t buy a game, maybe gaming is not or should not be your hobby. Hell the game only costs $50, which is less than the hourly salary of many individuals (and technically if you went to a good college/university and put effort in, you should be having no problem making that money per hour). Anyway, disgusting, but hell i'll buy the game when (as soon as) it comes out, even though I probably wont have the time to play it till the end of August. DJ_Headshot

Lol, what the hell. How many people earn $50 an hour? I'm not from the U.S, but using that as an example, you need to be a top U.S lawyer to even earn close to $50 an hour.

At $50 an hour a full time job earns you around $145,000 a year.

Gaming as a hobby is relatively expensive, even if it was your primary hobby (then it would be considered an investment).

Nevertheless, anything to do with piracy or illegitimate possession also peeves me off.

I didn't say that.

The original argument: You can buy The Witcher at $50 through one hour's wage.

My argument: Not for most people, no.

That was all.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] what kind of logic is that? this is just something you DON'T pirate? it comes down to a point that nothing should be pirated... individual games based upon a companies standing and whether people like them... thats just falacy.

110million

Pirating other games shouldn't be more valid than pirating the Witchor. Really, I don't have a personal vendetta against pirates, but the Robin Hood-ers are especially irksome.

Think of it as a demo.:twisted:

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] Allow me to clarify, this is one of those games where even in pirate communities it is looked down upon to pirate. I was in no way whatsoever condoning piracy.SkyWard20

Pirating other games shouldn't be more valid than pirating the Witchor. Really, I don't have a personal vendetta against pirates, but the Robin Hood-ers are especially irksome.

Well, even if that is the case, the same source says that Battlefield Bad Company 2 was pirated almost 4 million times (3,960,000), but was pirated some number less than 930,000 on Xbox 360 since it failed to make the Top 5. What has Battlefield Bad Company 2 done to piss off the PC community?

Mass Effect 2 at 3.2+ million, The Sims 3 at 3.2 million+, StarCraft 2 at 3.1+ million... if it was really about PC gamers being pissed off, Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 2 should've been at the top of the list. I think the reality is the games that get pirated multimillion times on PC are just simply the most popular games among PC gamers.

SakusEnvoy

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="110million"] Pirating other games shouldn't be more valid than pirating The Witchor. Really, I don't have a personal vendetta against pirates, but the Robin Hood-ers are especially irksome. Yeah its hard to explain without making it sound bad. But most games are pirated for a set of reasons, a set of complaints. None of those complaints are valid here. 110million

Pirating other games shouldn't be more valid than pirating the Witchor. Really, I don't have a personal vendetta against pirates, but the Robin Hood-ers are especially irksome.

But it looks like whether the game in question is actually good doesn't enter the topic of discussion. It's always about how much feedback a developer takes in or how 'starving' artists need to make money, when catering to 'what the fans want' is not always the best decision.

Supporting only indie developers or new developers means ignoring how much those 'big corporations' who 'have enough money' actually drive the industry. They are obviously the main source for most of our games. Investing in an already profitable business rather than in a growing one seems more practical when it comes to getting some kind of 'return'( if you could call it that here ), in this case in the form of quality video game titles.

So helping indie developers/growing businesses while backstabbing larger corporations seems awfully hypocritical when it's there we get most of our games from, a lot of which are regarded as quality titles by the mainstream gaming media.

Those rich corporate guys we pay may not be getting a lot more poorer, but they can stop making games for us all the same.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]Well, even if that is the case, the same source says that Battlefield Bad Company 2 was pirated almost 4 million times (3,960,000), but was pirated some number less than 930,000 on Xbox 360 since it failed to make the Top 5. What has Battlefield Bad Company 2 done to piss off the PC community?

Mass Effect 2 at 3.2+ million, The Sims 3 at 3.2 million+, StarCraft 2 at 3.1+ million... if it was really about PC gamers being pissed off, Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 2 should've been at the top of the list. I think the reality is the games that get pirated multimillion times on PC are just simply the most popular games among PC gamers.

Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="Obiwan317"]

I'll buy the game twice.

Steam(already have it) and CE.(pre ordered)

Elann2008

Oh you cant get a refund from d2d? I wanted to buy a physical copy or steam or gog copy, I just applied for a refund too bad.

People bring in BC2, but that has the most players on PC, and sold most on PC. They also made the most money on PC, thanks to the EA store and the fact that Digital Downloads offer a higher return rate. Those people that pirated it got a mediocre 6 hour campaign. GeneralShowzer

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Im sure the witcher 2 devs still have faith in the pc community, this just proves a pirate will pirate a game no matter if there is drm or not and should not be considered part of the gaming community, who would want to pirate the witcher 2 when you can get it for 33$