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#201 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Never mind the fact that Renegade options in Mass Effect can be morally justified, unlike KOTOR I and II's Dark Side. While Atton's backstory is different, he acts like a typical male lead.texasgoldrush
Atton does not act like the typical male lead... :? All of the Renegade options sound like they come from a bad Schwarzenegger film. Are you kidding? :lol:

Here is renegade choice....Bring Down The Sky Kill the terrorist but sacrificing the hostages, in order so said terrorist won't strike again. Sacrifice three lives to save hundreds in the future. A Paragon would save the hostages but the terrorist gets away.

The hostage or the bad guy...You think that it's original or something? He was right, it belongs in a bad Arnie movie.
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#202 cloudff7tm
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[QUOTE="cloudff7tm"]

LOL

PC gamers am cry.

millerlight89

I really don't see many PC gamers crying here do you? Hell this isn't even a thread about the title anymore.

Oh trust me, they are in other places around the Internets. :P

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Atton does not act like the typical male lead... :? All of the Renegade options sound like they come from a bad Schwarzenegger film. Are you kidding? :lol:DarkLink77
Here is renegade choice....Bring Down The Sky Kill the terrorist but sacrificing the hostages, in order so said terrorist won't strike again. Sacrifice three lives to save hundreds in the future. A Paragon would save the hostages but the terrorist gets away.

ME had much better choices. I thought we were talking about the 2nd one?

Overlord - the subjects happiness or valuable research on the Geth. Mordin - spare genophage cure or destroy it as the research was done unethically. Legion - reprogram or destroy Geth Kasumi - save greybox or destroy it as her dead boyfriend wished most of the choices are grey.

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#204 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Atton does not act like the typical male lead... :? All of the Renegade options sound like they come from a bad Schwarzenegger film. Are you kidding? :lol:GeneralShowzer
Here is renegade choice....Bring Down The Sky Kill the terrorist but sacrificing the hostages, in order so said terrorist won't strike again. Sacrifice three lives to save hundreds in the future. A Paragon would save the hostages but the terrorist gets away.

The hostage or the bad guy...You think that it's original or something? He was right, it belongs in a bad Arnie movie.

in an arnie movie, the hostages are saved and the bad guy dies...... never mind the fact that you can arrest the bad guy as well in that scenario.
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#205 Killfox
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Um this news is very very very very very very very old.
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#206 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Haha. I just can't believe PC gamers and their entitlements. Makes me almost sick to be a PC gamer.

devious742

I just scrolled thru the thread and I cant find any pc gamers posting any complaints:?

First page. "I'm canceling my preorder"

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#207 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Here is renegade choice....Bring Down The Sky Kill the terrorist but sacrificing the hostages, in order so said terrorist won't strike again. Sacrifice three lives to save hundreds in the future. A Paragon would save the hostages but the terrorist gets away.texasgoldrush
ME had much better choices. I thought we were talking about the 2nd one?

Overlord - the subjects happiness or valuable research on the Geth. Mordin - spare genophage cure or destroy it was the research was done unethically. Legion - reprogram or destroy Geth Kasumi - save greybox or destroy it as her dead boyfriend wished most of the choices are grey.

Not really. Most of them are blatant right and wrong, hence Paragon/Renegade points for them. Also, that choice in BDTS isn't that grey. The "right thing" to do is save the hostages at the expense of catching the guy.
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#208 Hakkai007
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First page. "I'm canceling my preorder"

Wasdie

Read through more and you will see he is joking....

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#209 Hakkai007
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Not really. Most of them are blatant right and wrong, hence Paragon/Renegade points for them. Also, that choice in BDTS isn't that grey. The "right thing" to do is save the hostages at the expense of catching the guy.DarkLink77

What really bugs me is having it highlight the choices in blue or red telling you if they are bad or good.

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#210 Luxen90
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[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Haha. I just can't believe PC gamers and their entitlements. Makes me almost sick to be a PC gamer.

Wasdie

I just scrolled thru the thread and I cant find any pc gamers posting any complaints:?

First page. "I'm canceling my preorder"

Are you serious? People really do just read the first 10 posts and that's it? He was just joking around.

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#211 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Not really. Most of them are blatant right and wrong, hence Paragon/Renegade points for them. Also, that choice in BDTS isn't that grey. The "right thing" to do is save the hostages at the expense of catching the guy.Hakkai007

What really bugs me is having it highlight the choices in blue or red telling you if they are bad or good.

In DA II you're gonna have a heart next to the paraphrase for a romantic response. Or a smiley face for an ironic response :?
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#212 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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That is essentially the exact same position they have had all along, nothing new.
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#213 devious742
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First page. "I'm canceling my preorder"Wasdie

He was jokin:P

Well that was fun. :lol:millerlight89

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] ME had much better choices. I thought we were talking about the 2nd one?DarkLink77
Overlord - the subjects happiness or valuable research on the Geth. Mordin - spare genophage cure or destroy it was the research was done unethically. Legion - reprogram or destroy Geth Kasumi - save greybox or destroy it as her dead boyfriend wished most of the choices are grey.

Not really. Most of them are blatant right and wrong, hence Paragon/Renegade points for them. Also, that choice in BDTS isn't that grey. The "right thing" to do is save the hostages at the expense of catching the guy.

Is it...what if that bad guy strikes another human colony? Paragon and Renegade is how you handle shades of grey, its not a good or evil system. Once again, in Mordin's loyalty quest, do you save the genophage cure gotten through heinous means, or do you destroy it because it was gained unethically. Tali's mission - do you cover up the truth to gain Tali's trust?
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#215 mrmusicman247
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

First page. "I'm canceling my preorder"

Hakkai007

Read through more and you will see he is joking....

I wonder why this thread is 11 pages long...
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Seeing how CRPGs designed for current-day PC hardware turn out on console, i doubt this the port will even be a shadow of the original version.:?
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#217 haberman13
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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Not really. Most of them are blatant right and wrong, hence Paragon/Renegade points for them. Also, that choice in BDTS isn't that grey. The "right thing" to do is save the hostages at the expense of catching the guy.GeneralShowzer

What really bugs me is having it highlight the choices in blue or red telling you if they are bad or good.

In DA II you're gonna have a heart next to the paraphrase for a romantic response. Or a smiley face for an ironic response :?

I'm not crying, I'm raging, and for reasons like this. Is it that hard to read something and determine the intent of the statement? Apparently so.

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#218 Ocid1
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It's a very good game but a bit on the short side, basically anything that comes from those guys is good. Shinji Mikami left plat games (I think) and now runs Tango Gameworks which is owned by Zenimax, so you'll see pc versions of the games they make. SAGE_OF_FIRE

F*ck yeah! Shinji games on PC. IMO one truly awesome dev in the industry just now.

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#219 devious742
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Seeing how CRPGs designed for current-day PC hardware turn out on console, i doubt this the port will even be a shadow of the original version.:?GulliversTravel
I really think CDProjekt are more than capable of making it work on consoles and I hope they do.

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#220 XturnalS
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I don't care, I still need to play the first one which I've owned for a little over a year and still haven't gotten to it. Damn I really need to get on that.

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[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]Seeing how CRPGs designed for current-day PC hardware turn out on console, i doubt this the port will even be a shadow of the original version.:?devious742

I really think CDProjekt are more than capable of making it work on consoles and I hope they do.

Unless those same people who praise them for their developing, seem to doubt what the developers themselves are saying is true :P It'll be fine, not as good as PC version obviously, but can someone explain why Witcher 2 is so implausible on consoles. There's the market for RPG's, people want in.
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Based on the demo, I wouldn't have voted for it. :PDarkLink77

It's a very good game but a bit on the short side, basically anything that comes from those guys is good. Shinji Mikami left plat games (I think) and now runs Tango Gameworks which is owned by Zenimax, so you'll see pc versions of the games they make.

It was fun, but it didn't grab me which is disappointing because Mikami is awesome. Though it is cool that he has his own studio now. ZeniMax are acquiring some serious talent.

Yeah, I think they should pick up both Double Fine and Obsidian.
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Everytime i finish reading a page, another one is created......I'll never get to reply.
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#224 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

What really bugs me is having it highlight the choices in blue or red telling you if they are bad or good.

haberman13

In DA II you're gonna have a heart next to the paraphrase for a romantic response. Or a smiley face for an ironic response :?

I'm not crying, I'm raging, and for reasons like this. Is it that hard to read something and determine the intent of the statement? Apparently so.

Which is why I'm hoping for mods, basically. I can read, BioWare.
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#225 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] It's a very good game but a bit on the short side, basically anything that comes from those guys is good. Shinji Mikami left plat games (I think) and now runs Tango Gameworks which is owned by Zenimax, so you'll see pc versions of the games they make. SAGE_OF_FIRE

It was fun, but it didn't grab me which is disappointing because Mikami is awesome. Though it is cool that he has his own studio now. ZeniMax are acquiring some serious talent.

Yeah, I think they should pick up both Double Fine and Obsidian.

I think Obsidian would be the best possible choice, especially if Bethesda manages to hold onto the Fallout license.
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#226 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="haberman13"]

In DA II you're gonna have a heart next to the paraphrase for a romantic response. Or a smiley face for an ironic response :?GeneralShowzer

I'm not crying, I'm raging, and for reasons like this. Is it that hard to read something and determine the intent of the statement? Apparently so.

Which is why I'm hoping for mods, basically. I can read, BioWare.

Nevermind that Obsidian used a similiar system for Alpha Protocol.
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#227 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="haberman13"]

I'm not crying, I'm raging, and for reasons like this. Is it that hard to read something and determine the intent of the statement? Apparently so.

texasgoldrush

Which is why I'm hoping for mods, basically. I can read, BioWare.

Nevermind that Obsidian used a similiar system for Alpha Protocol.

No...no it didn't.

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[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]Seeing how CRPGs designed for current-day PC hardware turn out on console, i doubt this the port will even be a shadow of the original version.:?devious742

I really think CDProjekt are more than capable of making it work on consoles and I hope they do.

Well you look at games like ArmA II, Gothic 4 and Risen, these games are not beautiful to look at, but they happen to be massive in scale, and consoles cant do both at once, and when they do, the games are normally made around console hardware. Heck some of the games i listed have 360 ports, but were absolutely atrocious. CDProjekt would be much better off porting the first Witcher with the graphical enhancements it was meant to have.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Which is why I'm hoping for mods, basically. I can read, BioWare.GeneralShowzer

Nevermind that Obsidian used a similiar system for Alpha Protocol.

No...no it didn't.

professional, suave, ruthless, or action responses...very similiar.
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#230 devious742
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[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]Seeing how CRPGs designed for current-day PC hardware turn out on console, i doubt this the port will even be a shadow of the original version.:?GulliversTravel

I really think CDProjekt are more than capable of making it work on consoles and I hope they do.

Well you look at games like ArmA II, Gothic 4 and Risen, these games are not beautiful to look at, but they happen to be massive in scale, and consoles cant do both at once, and when they do, the games are normally made around console hardware. Heck some of the games i listed have 360 ports, but were absolutely atrocious. CDProjekt would be much better off porting the first Witcher with the graphical enhancements it was meant to have.

This is CDProjekts brand new IP and they want to create a franchise from it... they have never made console game before so im sure they will go the extra mile to make it work on consoles..

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#231 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Nevermind that Obsidian used a similiar system for Alpha Protocol.texasgoldrush

No...no it didn't.

professional, suave, ruthless, or action responses...very similiar.

Well...i guess. But Alpha Protocol didn't have like a sad face, or a little heart. It's nothing really to complain about, but it makes me wonder how wide is the wider audience they are trying to target.
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[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]Seeing how CRPGs designed for current-day PC hardware turn out on console, i doubt this the port will even be a shadow of the original version.:?GulliversTravel

I really think CDProjekt are more than capable of making it work on consoles and I hope they do.

Well you look at games like ArmA II, Gothic 4 and Risen, these games are not beautiful to look at, but they happen to be massive in scale, and consoles cant do both at once, and when they do, the games are normally made around console hardware. Heck some of the games i listed have 360 ports, but were absolutely atrocious. CDProjekt would be much better off porting the first Witcher with the graphical enhancements it was meant to have.

Gothic 4 isn't that massive. Every area is surrounded by a walls, has a set number of enemies in it and only connects to a the last area you were in. That goes for the first 5 areas, though. I quit playing b/c the game was such a let down. Perfect example of consolized.

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#233 lawlessx
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that quote still doesn't flat out say that there will be a 360/ps3 version. Only that they are testing the waters to see if it's even possible. Still not a solid confirmation ,but it gives console fans some hope.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] No...no it didn't.

GeneralShowzer

professional, suave, ruthless, or action responses...very similiar.

Well...i guess. But Alpha Protocol didn't have like a sad face, or a little heart. It's nothing really to complain about, but it makes me wonder how wide is the wider audience they are trying to target.

Goes to show how much Obsidian was influenced by Bioware, esepcially for AP. Too bad they did not learn from the first ME's mistakes.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] professional, suave, ruthless, or action responses...very similiar.texasgoldrush

Well...i guess. But Alpha Protocol didn't have like a sad face, or a little heart. It's nothing really to complain about, but it makes me wonder how wide is the wider audience they are trying to target.

Goes to show how much Obsidian was influenced by Bioware, esepcially for AP. Too bad they did not learn from the first ME's mistakes.

AP might have had horrible gameplay but at least it got the choice and consequence right.

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#236 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

Well...i guess. But Alpha Protocol didn't have like a sad face, or a little heart. It's nothing really to complain about, but it makes me wonder how wide is the wider audience they are trying to target.GeneralShowzer
Goes to show how much Obsidian was influenced by Bioware, esepcially for AP. Too bad they did not learn from the first ME's mistakes.

AP might have had horrible gameplay but at least it got the choice and consequence right.

Thats the only thing they got right....the story and characters were below average as well.
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#237 HaloinventedFPS
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damn i was hyped for this aswell

oh well, we still have Diablo 3

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] It's a very good game but a bit on the short side, basically anything that comes from those guys is good. Shinji Mikami left plat games (I think) and now runs Tango Gameworks which is owned by Zenimax, so you'll see pc versions of the games they make. SAGE_OF_FIRE

It was fun, but it didn't grab me which is disappointing because Mikami is awesome. Though it is cool that he has his own studio now. ZeniMax are acquiring some serious talent.

Yeah, I think they should pick up both Double Fine and Obsidian.

I think Mikami should stop all this non-sense talk of only directing one more game. Gaming NEEDS him to direct more!

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This is so ridiculous, PC fans are worse than PS3 fans by a mile....they are like right wing Republicans after Obama got elected. Just because The Witcher 2 has some console focus, its now a terrible game and I am cancelling my preorder.....never mind if the story and characters are good or that the combat is more functional, its "consolized", and there for "bad".
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This is so ridiculous, PC fans are worse than PS3 fans by a mile...texasgoldrush

No. Every respective platform has it's fair share of annoying fans as well as perfectly reasonable ones.

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#241 HaloinventedFPS
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This is so ridiculous, PC fans are worse than PS3 fans by a mile....they are like right wing Republicans after Obama got elected. Just because The Witcher 2 has some console focus, its now a terrible game and I am cancelling my preorder.....never mind if the story and characters are good or that the combat is more functional, its "consolized", and there for "bad".texasgoldrush

consoles have ruined countless PC franchises, why do you think PC fans get so upset about it?

see Stalker 2, the first questions were how consoles would ruin it, the devs promised that consoles wouldnt gimp the game

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#242 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]This is so ridiculous, PC fans are worse than PS3 fans by a mile...iMaster_ShakeXXX

No. Every respective platform has it's fair of annoying fans as well as perfectly reasonable ones.

True, but PC fans annoying fans are the most annoying.
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#243 psn8214
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This is so ridiculous, PC fans are worse than PS3 fans by a mile....they are like right wing Republicans after Obama got elected. Just because The Witcher 2 has some console focus, its now a terrible game and I am cancelling my preorder.....never mind if the story and characters are good or that the combat is more functional, its "consolized", and there for "bad".texasgoldrush

Yo dude. Two things:

1. millerlight was trollin'. See responses, and his own posts earlier.

2. Bioware games generally play a lot better on PC. You seem to be a big fan, so I figure it probably bothers you that you're not getting the best experience you can. That really sucks for you man. :(

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#244 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]This is so ridiculous, PC fans are worse than PS3 fans by a mile....they are like right wing Republicans after Obama got elected. Just because The Witcher 2 has some console focus, its now a terrible game and I am cancelling my preorder.....never mind if the story and characters are good or that the combat is more functional, its "consolized", and there for "bad".HaloinventedFPS

consoles have ruined countless PC franchises, why do you think PC fans get so upset about it?

see Stalker 2, the first questions were how consoles would ruin it, the devs promised that consoles wouldnt gimp the game

and what did consoles "ruin"?
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#245 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]This is so ridiculous, PC fans are worse than PS3 fans by a mile...itexasgoldrush

No. Every respective platform has it's fair of annoying fans as well as perfectly reasonable ones.

True, but PC fans annoying fans are the most annoying.

when your favorite games need to be "gimped" or "scaled down" to work on other platforms you'd be abit upset too. I can't wait to see how badly Dice ruined BF3
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#246 devious742
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]This is so ridiculous, PC fans are worse than PS3 fans by a mile...itexasgoldrush

No. Every respective platform has it's fair of annoying fans as well as perfectly reasonable ones.

True, but PC fans annoying fans are the most annoying.

Destructoid - FACT: PS3 fanboys are the worst

:P

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#247 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

No. Every respective platform has it's fair of annoying fans as well as perfectly reasonable ones.

devious742

True, but PC fans annoying fans are the most annoying.

Destructoid - FACT: PS3 fanboys are the worst

:P

oh man that article was and still is hilarious :lol:
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#248 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

No. Every respective platform has it's fair of annoying fans as well as perfectly reasonable ones.

lawlessx

True, but PC fans annoying fans are the most annoying.

when your favorite games need to be "gimped" or "scaled down" to work on other platforms you'd be abit upset too. I can't wait to see how badly Dice ruined BF3

scaling down is one thing, cutting out excess unnecessary stuff is another.

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#249 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]How do you figure? They say they're just taking out the repetitive "kill x monsters" quests, which may or may not be a good thing, however, all mainstream games seem to be following this "streamlining" trend. It's not a confirmation either way.mrmusicman247

End of article...

'But what about a console version' I hear you cry. Well, the news is definitely good, despite the depressing failure of the original version to make it to the 360 or PS3. "It's the first console project we would like to do," Bartkowicz confirms. "We need to do it in house. In the end we decided not to do it outsourced. We've been running some tests, and putting a small part of the game just to make sure we're not cheating anyone. We can show it to you, it is possible." Sadly, we ran out of time to see it for our own eyes, but the fact that CD Projekt is happy to go on the record and say that it's happening is good news. In fact, the game's eventual transition to console has been planned from day one. "You can playThe Witcher 2with joypad - it's implemented. The whole interface is designed with console in mind, in fact."

Also, "Witcher 2 is up and running on consoles, although there's no date set." Don't know why anyone cares who has a PC. No chance I'm buying this for a console.
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#250 psn8214
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

No. Every respective platform has it's fair of annoying fans as well as perfectly reasonable ones.

devious742

True, but PC fans annoying fans are the most annoying.

Destructoid - FACT: PS3 fanboys are the worst

:P

All this hate for the master race yo. I find PS360 fans to be the most annoying. We the PC gamers can be snobby, but at least we know what we're talking about. :P