The X360 port of Dark Souls is heavily compressed to stay on one disc

PS3 version is the lead platform:

When Demon's Souls was released several years ago by Atlus in North America, it was a PS3 exclusive. With the follow up title, Dark Souls coming this year, it will no longer be a PS3 exclusive title as a Xbox 360 version is coming as well. Now, the big question is, which of the two versions is better?

While playing the demo of Dark Souls at the Namco Bandai booth today at the E3 show floor, one of the questions I asked to the Namco Bandai representative is to what are the sacrifices From Software had to do in order to put it on the Xbox 360. A simple answer given to us is, "a lot of compression has to be done on the Xbox 360 to make it stay on a single disc".

Thanks for the information, though i'm struggling to find how it would be interesting ...

that's why DVD is a last gen formatKevinButlerVP

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]that's why DVD is a last gen formatThe_RedLion

I'd assume the fact the Xbox 360 version has to be compressed onto one DVD would be the clue.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]that's why DVD is a last gen formatNintendonly

I'd assume the fact the Xbox 360 version has to be compressed onto one DVD would be the clue.

what has your post to do with the article?The_RedLion

I'd assume the fact the Xbox 360 version has to be compressed onto one DVD would be the clue.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

I'd assume the fact the Xbox 360 version has to be compressed onto one DVD would be the clue.

sethman410

because blu ray has more storage capacity. :|

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

I'd assume the fact the Xbox 360 version has to be compressed onto one DVD would be the clue.

sethman410

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

P.S: and I just thought of the load times even with a required install the game would take hours to load.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] yes and? compression is vital in game development that doesn't make it last gen or anythingCaseyWegner

because blu ray has more storage capacity. :|

Yeah... What's the problem here?

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] yes and? compression is vital in game development that doesn't make it last gen or anythingWilliamRLBaker

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

Thanks for the information, though i'm struggling to find how it would be interesting ...

Snugenz

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] then explain why it doesnt need to be compressed on blu ray.sethman410

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

I'd assume the fact the Xbox 360 version has to be compressed onto one DVD would be the clue.

sethman410

ok buddy, then why does blu ray version of dark souls have less compressed data than dvd version?sethman410

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Thanks for the information, though i'm struggling to find how it would be interesting ...

FIipMode

I'm vaguely interested in why someone would find it interesting ...

So go wink yourself :P

So is itcompressed to the point where it noticeably effects performance?

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] yes and? compression is vital in game development that doesn't make it last gen or anythingThe_RedLion

Does the correlation between compression and lossy data mean anything to you?

lol, I was just having a discusion with Casey Wenger on how important Bluray is ... I guess this thread will be useful if I talked to him again.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] ok buddy, then why does blu ray version of dark souls have less compressed data than dvd version?sethman410

I dont need to look at the posts above. I need only look at the one post you replied too and that is compression is vital to game development. you replied that on bluray no game requires compression this is completely an utterly false games wouldn't fit on current bluray levels, in ram, and would require hours of load time with absolutely no compression.

Compression does not make dvd a last generation format since compression is even used today.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] yes and? compression is vital in game development that doesn't make it last gen or anythingWilliamRLBaker

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

P.S: and I just thought of the load times even with a required install the game would take hours to load.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] yes and? compression is vital in game development that doesn't make it last gen or anythingWilliamRLBaker

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

P.S: and I just thought of the load times even with a required install the game would take hours to load.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] ""then explain why it doesnt need to be compressed on blu ray."" you didn't say less compressed you said compressed at all.

WilliamRLBaker

I dont need to look at the posts above. I need only look at the one post you replied too and that is compression is vital to game development. you replied that on bluray no game requires compression this is completely an utterly false games wouldn't fit on current bluray levels, in ram, and would require hours of load time with absolutely no compression.

Compression does not make dvd a last generation format since compression is even used today.

Dude, use some logic, you dun have to waste ur time and ours debating something considered like gravity ..... bigger space>>smaller space ..... The end.

lol, I was just having a discusion with Casey Wenger on how important Bluray is ... I guess this thread will be useful if I talked to him again.

omho88

Probably not.

Realistically though, BR has not been THAT important this gen. Going with DVD as a disc format for next gen consoles would be suicide for Sony or MS, but this gen isn't such a biggie. If the PS3 had been a megaton seller and more games were developed to its strengths, then maybe it would have, but that is not how it turned out.

how can dvd be a last gen format when it has the witcher 2 and crysis?

If the compression is lossless or relatively non-lossy, it doesn't matter at all. If it matters at all, it's probably not that much.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] then explain why it doesnt need to be compressed on blu ray.JohnF111

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

P.S: and I just thought of the load times even with a required install the game would take hours to load.

FFXIII is a good exmaple ..... the quality of the CGI is clearly better on the PS3 ..... you can read that on any gaming site.

lol, I was just having a discusion with Casey Wenger on how important Bluray is ... I guess this thread will be useful if I talked to him again.

omho88

[QUOTE="omho88"]

lol, I was just having a discusion with Casey Wenger on how important Bluray is ... I guess this thread will be useful if I talked to him again.

Wiimotefan

Probably not.

Realistically though, BR has not been THAT important this gen. Going with DVD as a disc format for next gen consoles would be suicide for Sony or MS, but this gen isn't such a biggie. If the PS3 had been a megaton seller and more games were developed to its strengths, then maybe it would have, but that is not how it turned out.

I guess so, but like I said to him, it's important not mandatory ..... games like U, GOW, KZ, remastered collections and others make use of that advantage .... so it's important for them.

Rejoice Xbox Users! :P

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

P.S: and I just thought of the load times even with a required install the game would take hours to load.

omho88

FFXIII is a good exmaple ..... the quality of the CGI is clearly better on the PS3 ..... you can read that on any gaming site.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] ok, if only you read the posts above... my point is, dvd is last gen format cuz it has less storage space thus more compressed data. this make any sense?omho88

I dont need to look at the posts above. I need only look at the one post you replied too and that is compression is vital to game development. you replied that on bluray no game requires compression this is completely an utterly false games wouldn't fit on current bluray levels, in ram, and would require hours of load time with absolutely no compression.

Compression does not make dvd a last generation format since compression is even used today.

Dude, use some logic, you dun have to waste ur time and ours debating something considered like gravity ..... bigger space>>smaller space ..... The end.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="omho88"]

lol, I was just having a discusion with Casey Wenger on how important Bluray is ... I guess this thread will be useful if I talked to him again.

Probably not.

Realistically though, BR has not been THAT important this gen. Going with DVD as a disc format for next gen consoles would be suicide for Sony or MS, but this gen isn't such a biggie. If the PS3 had been a megaton seller and more games were developed to its strengths, then maybe it would have, but that is not how it turned out.

I guess so, but like I said to him, it's important not mandatory ..... games like U, GOW, KZ, remastered collections and others make use of that advantage .... so it's important for them.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"] Pretty much this, i'd love if someone would come along and give an uncompressed evaluation of a game.. any game. Hell i recon even Super Mario 64 would weigh in about 10gig uncompressed.WilliamRLBaker

FFXIII is a good exmaple ..... the quality of the CGI is clearly better on the PS3 ..... you can read that on any gaming site.

edit: what i meant that its gonna be like ff13 all over again.

Dang, it's been 6 years since X360's launch

Ummmm....yah, well, ummmm, every game is compressed heavily to fit on adisc; obviously more so on DVD than BD.Consequently, Ifail to see the point of the statement.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="omho88"]

FFXIII is a good exmaple ..... the quality of the CGI is clearly better on the PS3 ..... you can read that on any gaming site.

sethman410

what.

who said less compresions means more quality? all 360 games have to be more compressed than ps3 games, yet the 360 gets the better version of most multiplats; compression and quality aren't necessarily related

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] the majority of resolution and quality issues in FF13 was because of development time and not dvd size this is a simple fact. Given a few months more instead of the under a year time they gave themselves to port the game to the 360 they could have maintained 720p accross gameplay and CGI.

The_RedLion

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] the majority of resolution and quality issues in FF13 was because of development time and not dvd size this is a simple fact. Given a few months more instead of the under a year time they gave themselves to port the game to the 360 they could have maintained 720p accross gameplay and CGI.

The_RedLion

what.

who said less compresions means less quality? all 360 games have to be more compressed than ps3 games, yet the 360 gets the better version of most multiplats; compression and quality aren't necessarily related

EDIT: Oh,more compression=less quality is actually true rather 360 versions prove it or not. because in those "superior mulitplats" where 360 has more compression, it just because it's not enough compression to make a noticable difference. still, more compression=lesss quality.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I dont need to look at the posts above. I need only look at the one post you replied too and that is compression is vital to game development. you replied that on bluray no game requires compression this is completely an utterly false games wouldn't fit on current bluray levels, in ram, and would require hours of load time with absolutely no compression.

Compression does not make dvd a last generation format since compression is even used today.

WilliamRLBaker

Dude, use some logic, you dun have to waste ur time and ours debating something considered like gravity ..... bigger space>>smaller space ..... The end.

OMG ..... my post is crystal clear and you are fabricating words and putting them in my mouth !!

baker... do u even know what this thread first started was about? it was about dark souls having more compression data on the 360 version than the ps3 version. meaning more quality for the ps3 version. but it probably won't be THAT much different like ff13.sethman410

what.

who said less compresions means less quality? all 360 games have to be more compressed than ps3 games, yet the 360 gets the better version of most multiplats; compression and quality aren't necessarily related

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="omho88"]

Dude, use some logic, you dun have to waste ur time and ours debating something considered like gravity ..... bigger space>>smaller space ..... The end.

omho88

OMG ..... my post is crystal clear and you are fabricating words and putting them in my mouth !!

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Probably not.

Realistically though, BR has not been THAT important this gen. Going with DVD as a disc format for next gen consoles would be suicide for Sony or MS, but this gen isn't such a biggie. If the PS3 had been a megaton seller and more games were developed to its strengths, then maybe it would have, but that is not how it turned out.

The_RedLion

I guess so, but like I said to him, it's important not mandatory ..... games like U, GOW, KZ, remastered collections and others make use of that advantage .... so it's important for them.

lol, so remasted last generation games need multiple discs now..... racing games need multiple discs ..... a game like DS2 is on mutiple discs ..... DS2 on the PS3 has an extra game on it and it's still on one bluray ... what a shame.

Right now it seems like DVD's are being really dated. With digital distribution becoming so popular with services like Steam, and high capacity media like Blu-Ray it really is disappointing to hear stuff like this.

Honestly, it doesn't mean bad games, it just means a handicap to making those great games. Anyone saying that DVD's are still as good as Blu Rays or downloading services are just ignoring cases like LA Noire and RAGE (Which will also be on 3 discs from what I hear). Don't let fanboyism blind you from the truth. Its like saying the cartridge format was still viable and didn't cripple games when the PSOne was giving us full voice acting, improved voice acting and FMV. I mean, everyone loves the N64, but the cartridge format the was like the DVD format now and just was not the best choice for games.