The X360 port of Dark Souls is heavily compressed to stay on one disc

Though I doubt it will matter, I'd still prefer multiple disks. Either way, cows will make DS PS3 > DS 360 to be something like Bayonetta 360 > Bayonetta PS3. They'll still get the same score at Gamespot though.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] ""then explain why it doesnt need to be compressed on blu ray."" you didn't say less compressed you said compressed at all.

WilliamRLBaker

I dont need to look at the posts above. I need only look at the one post you replied too and that is compression is vital to game development. you replied that on bluray no game requires compression this is completely an utterly false games wouldn't fit on current bluray levels, in ram, and would require hours of load time with absolutely no compression.

Compression does not make dvd a last generation format since compression is even used today.

What DOES make it a last generation format is the fact that it was the standard format for 2 out of 3 last gen consoles.

IGN crappy article.

They state the audio for 360, although they're wrong about Ps3 too. I just know 360 didn't have it when I had a 360 which was about 5 months ago.

Here we go, fom AVforusm.

"The PS3 has 7.1 support including lossless audio, while the 360 is limited to 5.1 and has no lossless audio support."

IGN crappy article.

They state the audio for 360, although they're wrong about Ps3 too. I just know 360 didn't have it when I had a 360 which was about 5 months ago.

Chutebox

Wait, what exactly are you talking about?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Where's you proof that the 360 doesnt do lossless compression?

Snugenz

"Because it doesn't" Best proof ever !!

Example: The AUDIO ALONE on Heavenly Sword took up 10GB's which is more than an entire DVD. Of course on Bluray, that left 15GB's for the rest of the game so no problem there.

There's no way a dev will ever do lossless audio on a 360 game.

Rage, Dead Space 2, LA Noire, Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2. The list of games shipping on more then a singlle DVD is growing not shrinking. Me? I'd rather have a game on a single bluray or as we see here in the case of dark souls, waaaaaay less compression. . That's just my preference. Others, they seem not to care. Yet still others will spend hundreds or even thousands to have the lattest and greatest GPU but will rabidly defend the ancient dvd format. That's right DVD is 1997 tech. Not 2007 1997. That's 14 years bro. There are kids in high school that are younger then DVD. Time to move on.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

IGN crappy article.

They state the audio for 360, although they're wrong about Ps3 too. I just know 360 didn't have it when I had a 360 which was about 5 months ago.

Snugenz

Wait, what exactly are you talking about?

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Because it doesn't. Unless MS updated teh 360, in audio, it still can't.mztazmz

"Because it doesn't" Best proof ever !!

Example: The AUDIO ALONE on Heavenly Sword took up 10GB's which is more than an entire DVD. Of course on Bluray, that left 15GB's for the rest of the game so no problem there.

There's no way a dev will ever do lossless audio on a 360 game.

But the discussion isnt about uncompressed data, its whether or not compression automatically = less quality. And correct me if i'm wrong, but there's a difference between uncompressed data and lossless compression?.

Rage, Dead Space 2, LA Noire, Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2. The list of games shipping on more then a singlle DVD is growing not shrinking. Me? I'd rather have a game on a single bluray or as we see here in the case of dark souls, waaaaaay less compression. . That's just my preference. Others, they seem not to care. Yet still others will spend hundreds or even thousands to have the lattest and greatest GPU but will rabidly defend the ancient dvd format. That's right DVD is 1997 tech. Not 2007 1997. That's 14 years bro. There are kids in high school that are younger then DVD. Time to move on.

Pray_to_me

[QUOTE="mztazmz"]

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

"Because it doesn't" Best proof ever !!

Example: The AUDIO ALONE on Heavenly Sword took up 10GB's which is more than an entire DVD. Of course on Bluray, that left 15GB's for the rest of the game so no problem there.

There's no way a dev will ever do lossless audio on a 360 game.

But the discussion isnt about uncompressed data, its whether or not compression automatically = less quality. And correct me if i'm wrong, but there's a difference between uncompressed data and lossless compression?.

Could be a major hit on texture quality, resolution, animations, fun factor. You name it.

I'm kinda kidding about the fun factor part but not really. It's possible that so many sacrifices are made the game winds up being straight up not as fun.

Could be a major hit on texture quality, resolution, animations, fun factor. You name it.

I'm kinda kidding about the fun factor part but not really. It's possible that so many sacrifices are made the game winds up being straight up not as fun.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

I'd assume the fact the Xbox 360 version has to be compressed onto one DVD would be the clue.

sethman410

Could be a major hit on texture quality, resolution, animations, fun factor. You name it.

I'm kinda kidding about the fun factor part but not really. It's possible that so many sacrifices are made the game winds up being straight up not as fun.

Pray_to_me

Could be a major hit on texture quality, resolution, animations, fun factor. You name it.

I'm kinda kidding about the fun factor part but not really. It's possible that so many sacrifices are made the game winds up being straight up not as fun.

Could be a major hit on texture quality, resolution, animations, fun factor. You name it.

I'm kinda kidding about the fun factor part but not really. It's possible that so many sacrifices are made the game winds up being straight up not as fun.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Good thing compression sacrifices none of the things you mentioned. themyth01

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="sethman410"] texture quality? I think it does for this. I agree on other ones.sethman410

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="sethman410"] texture quality? I think it does for this. I agree on other ones.sethman410

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Not by compression. Texture quality may suffer if they decide to lower the resolution. To know why, just check what compression does to data. Chutebox

Was it even noticeable?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="sethman410"] Well, what does compression sacrifice in? What areas do compression affect in?Bebi_vegeta

Was it even noticeable?

Noticable enough to drop the scrore.

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

Rage, Dead Space 2, LA Noire, Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2. The list of games shipping on more then a singlle DVD is growing not shrinking. Me? I'd rather have a game on a single bluray or as we see here in the case of dark souls, waaaaaay less compression. . That's just my preference. Others, they seem not to care. Yet still others will spend hundreds or even thousands to have the lattest and greatest GPU but will rabidly defend the ancient dvd format. That's right DVD is 1997 tech. Not 2007 1997. That's 14 years bro. There are kids in high school that are younger then DVD. Time to move on.

sethman410

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Didn't one of the Dragon Ages suffer on 360 a bit because they wanted it on one (or two discs)? Pretty sure textures suffered as a result. I could be wrong.Pray_to_me

Was it even noticeable?

Noticable enough to drop the scrore.

Wow... and then people say there's no difference between console and PC games graphix wise... this is amazing.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] ok, if only you read the posts above... my point is, dvd is last gen format cuz it has less storage space thus more compressed data. this make any sense?mztazmz

I dont need to look at the posts above. I need only look at the one post you replied too and that is compression is vital to game development. you replied that on bluray no game requires compression this is completely an utterly false games wouldn't fit on current bluray levels, in ram, and would require hours of load time with absolutely no compression.

Compression does not make dvd a last generation format since compression is even used today.

What DOES make it a last generation format is the fact that it was the standard format for 2 out of 3 last gen consoles.

[QUOTE="mztazmz"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I dont need to look at the posts above. I need only look at the one post you replied too and that is compression is vital to game development. you replied that on bluray no game requires compression this is completely an utterly false games wouldn't fit on current bluray levels, in ram, and would require hours of load time with absolutely no compression.

Compression does not make dvd a last generation format since compression is even used today.

WilliamRLBaker

What DOES make it a last generation format is the fact that it was the standard format for 2 out of 3 last gen consoles.

I remember at the beginning of this gen everyone said that blu-ray is not needed and now 360 games are either suffering(heavy compression, lackluster textures, etc) or being put on multiple discs.

360 definitely had the upper hand with its multiplats at the start of this gen but we're definitely seeing a paradigm shift these days.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="mztazmz"] Yup, you're right. Compression does not make dvd a last generation format.

What DOES make it a last generation format is the fact that it was the standard format for 2 out of 3 last gen consoles.

F1ame_Shie1d

I remember at the beginning of this gen everyone said that blu-ray is not needed and now 360 games are either suffering(heavy compression, lackluster textures, etc) or being put on multiple discs.

360 definitely had the upper hand with its multiplats at the start of this gen but we're definitely seeing a paradigm shift these days.

I guess it all depends on the end product. If its compressed to the point that it makes the game worse, then I'll go PS3. However, most of my friends own 360s, so that is certainly a factor.

Guys you are taking this news completely the wrong way... Because its compressed, it means this game is BIG, cannot wait!

Guys you are taking this news completely the wrong way... Because its compressed, it means this game is BIG, cannot wait!

_Matt_

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Guys you are taking this news completely the wrong way... Because its compressed, it means this game is BIG, cannot wait!

clone01

Oh sorry, my bad, am I not getting into the system wars spirit enough? ;)

[QUOTE="sethman410"] yes, thanks for the answer. thats why dvd is last gen....lol. is this hard?Stevo_the_gamer

However, Blu Ray may eventually have a shorter run than DVD ever did because of the advancements taking place in DD opportunities.

Physical storage and digital storage are completely different. As a physical storage choice DVD is starting to become outdated, there really isn't a way you can argue otherwise. That would be like arguing back in 2005 that VHS was still the right storage choice for movies or that CD-Rom should still be used for game storage.

However, Blu Ray may eventually have a shorter run than DVD ever did because of the advancements taking place in DD opportunities.

CajunShooter

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]

Physical storage and digital storage are completely different. As a physical storage choice DVD is starting to become outdated, there really isn't a way you can argue otherwise. That would be like arguing back in 2005 that VHS was still the right storage choice for movies or that CD-Rom should still be used for game storage.

However, Blu Ray may eventually have a shorter run than DVD ever did because of the advancements taking place in DD opportunities.

Stevo_the_gamer

My point was that defending DVD in 2011 is like defending CD-Rom in 2005.

lol 1st ppl laughin for too many disc.. now ppl are laughin because itsonly 1 disc..? im so confused AAAAAAAAA

I did say that DD is starting to make Blu Ray outdated. DD still has a ways to go because of some limitations, but once it over comes them then, yes, it will make all physical media outdated.

My point was that defending DVD in 2011 is like defending CD-Rom in 2005.

CajunShooter

it really is time for a new console MS...and Sony, Halo 4 would be a great launch title aswell, but MS seem to have committed to Kinect now so god knows what that means in terms of when they will actually get with the times and come out with some new hardware.

who wants some cupcakes :3

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"] I did say that DD is starting to make Blu Ray outdated. DD still has a ways to go because of some limitations, but once it over comes them then, yes, it will make all physical media outdated.

My point was that defending DVD in 2011 is like defending CD-Rom in 2005.

Stevo_the_gamer

The more time I spend in this...place...the more I have trouble believing any of the fanboys here are real, and not just massive trolls. Surely though, there are better things to be doing than sitting on the internet pretending to be something that you're not for ABSOLUTELY no purpose at all.

Good, so it fits on one DVD, I don't see the problem.SaltyMeatballs

I wanted to get this game on the 360, but with this news, I shall buy it on PS3.