The X360 port of Dark Souls is heavily compressed to stay on one disc

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] Not much at all. Or none at all. Not saying blu ray didn't have compression. Even it did, not much at all.sethman410

if compression is needed as a natural process in gaming development then, it's ok ..... but compressing something big to fit into something smaller .... this isn't good.

I dun know excatly how tho ... but why going there in the first place? too bad the developers are restricted to DVD usage when developing for PS3 in mutiplat titles.

is there any information regarding the audio track of either version? Many ps3 versions comes with a full PCM track whereas x360 are just DD. That is the easiest and clearest example always of the impact compression has on something, like a game here. And don't make the mistake that uncompressed audio is not important to anyone...

tamabeast04

There's just not enough information here. People are arguing something they either don't understand or they're arguing without truly knowing the effect compression will have in this specific case of Dark Souls. Those people are wrong.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="omho88"] A

if compression is needed as a natural process in gaming development then, it's ok ..... but compressing something big to fit into something smaller .... this isn't good.

I dun know excatly how tho ... but why going there in the first place? too bad the developers are restricted to DVD usage when developing for PS3 in mutiplat titles.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="sethman410"] yes, and it will degrade quality big time.sethman410

can you prove that?The_RedLion

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="sethman410"] yes, and it will degrade quality big time.sethman410

EDIT: oh wait, kz2 does somewhat prove it because it's not on 360. Uncompressed audio designed for 7.1 surround. Any 360 game do that yet?

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="sethman410"] No, because there's no history of it yet. Maybe Darks Souls will finally be proof. Because I guess I was wrong about ff13.

sethman410

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] yes and? compression is vital in game development that doesn't make it last gen or anythingWilliamRLBaker

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

P.S: and I just thought of the load times even with a required install the game would take hours to load.

then explain why it doesnt need to be compressed on blu ray.sethman410

*laughs hard* do you know that a game truely uncompressed wouldn't fit on even a 10 layer bluray? compression is a natural function of games without it every thing would be drastically large, and not only that wouldn't even play cause the ram would fill up.

P.S: and I just thought of the load times even with a required install the game would take hours to load.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] the point is that blu ray didn't even manage to give superior multiplatsThe_RedLion

LOOL, Bluray is a storage meduim.... notGOD .... there some big confusion in ur mind here.

Bluray is a better meduim, hands down, how to use is up to the dev. .... most dev. use the X360 as the leading platform and subsequently they need to put the DVD limitations in their mind .... fitting a game like U2 or GOW3 on DVD will be immpossible the way it's, and if you compress it, god knows what may go wrong ...... DVD is just trouble, but it's famous .... people like you just accept that.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="omho88"]

LOOL, Bluray is a storage meduim.... notGOD .... there some big confusion in ur mind here.

Bluray is a better meduim, hands down, how to use is up to the dev. .... most dev. use the X360 as the leading platform and subsequently they need to put the DVD limitations in their mind .... fitting a game like U2 or GOW3 on DVD will be immpossible the way it's, and if you compress it, god knows what may go wrong ...... DVD is just trouble, but it's famous .... people like you just accept that.

Only thing I'm thinking is it's probably either got a hell of alot more audio/video that and/or it's got way more worlds than Demon's Souls, I could have easily seen that game fitting on one disc. So as a lover of Demon's Souls, this should be good.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] you told me blu ray was important so i assumed it (at least) managed to do a better version than a game on a dvd but it seems is even less important than i thoughtThe_RedLion

Bluray is a better meduim, hands down, how to use is up to the dev. .... most dev. use the X360 as the leading platform and subsequently they need to put the DVD limitations in their mind .... fitting a game like U2 or GOW3 on DVD will be immpossible the way it's, and if you compress it, god knows what may go wrong ...... DVD is just trouble, but it's famous .... people like you just accept that.

May not be important for X360, the poor thing doesn't have it anyway ..... but for the PS3, it's just another story.

Well this makes my choice on which version to get easier.

Good, so it fits on one DVD, I don't see the problem.SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] because it breaks the flow if you have to get up and switch discs?MetroidPrimePwn

seriously, pressing the pause button would be a bigger shame than that, lol

Demon's Souls actually didn't have a pause button because it would break the flow of the game, so that is quite possibly the worst reference you could've made :P

The reason for no pause button in Demon's Souls has more to do with how the game is "always" online and not so much to do with the flow. If they were so worried about the flow of the game the loading wouldnt have been so extensive and unavoidable.

And only but the most hardcore of audio- and video-philes with $25K+ setups gave a care.foxhound_fox

Talk about exaggeration.

Anywho, I'm sure Lems don't care, they get to play an (sure to be) awesome game. Who cares if it doesn't sound or look (assuming here) as good as another version?

how can dvd be a last gen format when it has the witcher 2 and crysis?

Yrkoon99

Which is why ill buy it on PS3...I like higher quality.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] so we're back to square one the vague, undefined term "heavy compression" (which was never used by the devs btw, they just said "a lot"), a bunch of speculation, a lot of statements that haven't been proven, etc. i'm gonna stop this converstation now, because the last 3 sites I've been asking you to prove anything you've been saying about Dark Souls, and I just got kinda tired of it. don't take me wrong, just that no proof, no argument good nightThe_RedLion

can you prove that?The_RedLion

EDIT: oh wait, kz2 does somewhat prove it because it's not on 360. Uncompressed audio designed for 7.1 surround. Any 360 game do that yet?

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="sethman410"] No, because there's no history of it yet. Maybe Darks Souls will finally be proof. Because I guess I was wrong about ff13.

EDIT: oh wait, kz2 does somewhat prove it because it's not on 360. Uncompressed audio designed for 7.1 surround. Any 360 game do that yet?

sethman410

But thats not true in every case of compression.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] what has kz2's lossless audio to do with dark souls?Snugenz

But thats not true in every case of compression.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="sethman410"] No, because there's no history of it yet. Maybe Darks Souls will finally be proof. Because I guess I was wrong about ff13.

EDIT: oh wait, kz2 does somewhat prove it because it's not on 360. Uncompressed audio designed for 7.1 surround. Any 360 game do that yet?

sethman410

Its a game,not a movie.

Maybe there will be a slight difference in audio,but who cares about that?

Blu ray does not mean better game graphics.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] It doesn't it? Idk why your asking me that. The whole point is, more compression=less quality. Jesus Christ.sethman410

But thats not true in every case of compression.

Oh really, what evidence do you have to support that statement?.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

But thats not true in every case of compression.

Snugenz

Oh really, what evidence do you have to support that statement?.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] Obviously, but it's true MOST OF THE TIME.Chutebox

Oh really, what evidence do you have to support that statement?.

Once again, where are you people getting this information?. Links?

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

But thats not true in every case of compression.

Oh really, what evidence do you have to support that statement?.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Oh really, what evidence do you have to support that statement?.

Snugenz

Once again, where are you people getting this information?. Links?

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] Obviously, but it's true MOST OF THE TIME.sethman410

Oh really, what evidence do you have to support that statement?.

I never made a statement either way, its you who claimed "but its true MOST OF THE TIME", you made the claim, so it falls on you to back up said claim.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Lossless you can make a case for, but 360 doesn't even do that either.Chutebox

Once again, where are you people getting this information?. Links?

Where's you proof that the 360 doesnt do lossless compression?

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] what has kz2's lossless audio to do with dark souls?call_of_duty_10

Its a game,not a movie.

Maybe there will be a slight difference in audio,but who cares about that?

Blu ray does not mean better game graphics.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Once again, where are you people getting this information?. Links?

Where's you proof that the 360 doesnt do lossless compression?

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Oh really, what evidence do you have to support that statement?.

I never made a statement either way, its you who claimed "but its true MOST OF THE TIME", you made the claim, so it falls on you to back up said claim.

Why ask that if we never stated that? :/sethman410

Hmmm ...

Lossless you can make a case for, but 360 doesn't even do that either.Chutebox

Most of Those free PS3 games in the welcome back section could fit on a DVD. Sony didnt need Bluray for games they needed Blu-ray to win a movie format war thats why its in the PS3. The data is duplicated across the disc many times to avoid huge load times.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] The whole point is, more compression=less quality.sethman410

Its a game,not a movie.

Maybe there will be a slight difference in audio,but who cares about that?

Blu ray does not mean better game graphics.

But hey,if you want to argue,then do it.I won't interrupt:P

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] Then prove other way around. Yeah, that's what I thought. Nice try. sethman410

I never made a statement either way, its you who claimed "but its true MOST OF THE TIME", you made the claim, so it falls on you to back up said claim.

Compression=less quality most of the time is how compression works according to you ...

You dont know how compression works do you?

[QUOTE="sethman410"]

Why ask that if we never stated that? :/Snugenz

Hmmm ...

Lossless you can make a case for, but 360 doesn't even do that either.Chutebox

Sorry, wasn't reading his older posts. But there has never been a confirmation that any 360 game does have one. Whereareas kz2 has one and they stated that.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

I never made a statement either way, its you who claimed "but its true MOST OF THE TIME", you made the claim, so it falls on you to back up said claim.

Compression=less quality most of the time is how compression works according to you ...

You dont know how compression works do you?

So it fits on one DVD, don't care as long as 360 owners get to play it.

Sorry, wasn't reading his older posts. But there has never been a confirmation that any 360 game does have one. Whereareas kz2 has one and they stated that.

sethman410

KZ2 having uncompressed audio has nothing to do with lossless compression.

[QUOTE="sethman410"]

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Snugenz

Sorry, wasn't reading his older posts. But there has never been a confirmation that any 360 game does have one. Whereareas kz2 has one and they stated that.

KZ2 having uncompressed audio has nothing to do with lossless compression.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"]

Sorry, wasn't reading his older posts. But there has never been a confirmation that any 360 game does have one. Whereareas kz2 has one and they stated that.

sethman410

KZ2 having uncompressed audio has nothing to do with lossless compression.

Its not proof of that though, its proof that a decision was made to not compress that data. Perhaps sound is one aspect that suffers from compression more than other things?.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Once again, where are you people getting this information?. Links?

Snugenz

Where's you proof that the 360 doesnt do lossless compression?

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Information that uncompressed > compressed?Chutebox

Where's you proof that the 360 doesnt do lossless compression?

"Because it doesn't" Best proof ever !!

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Where's you proof that the 360 doesnt do lossless compression?

"Because it doesn't" Best proof ever !!