The Xbox One Scorpio May Be More Powerful Than PS4 Pro- But It Doesn't Matter, According To Michael Pachter

Agreed. I am not a fan of exclusives and proprietary shit. It is not consumer friendly and just fucks the gamers who are forced to waste money on consoles that they do not want, just to get access to the exclusives. Why should I have to waste money on shit consoles when I have a beast PC? Why should I have to buy a Playstation if I want to play God of War and I already have an Xbox? Games industry is fucked in that regard.

It's still funny to me that all of a sudden power isn't that important apparently... all generation the fanboys and "experts" have been going on and on about the power difference but apparently it's not important anymore. Lol.

Anyway I'm not expecting Scorpio to set the world on fire in the sales department, and either is MS. It's a niche product that will be available to those that want it. MS doesn't care whether you buy games on XB1 or Scorpio...

Well, PS3 was on the other side of Resolutiongate in its era and I ended up buying one for the exclusives. As for DRMGate, that's a lot tougher. I'm genuinely glad that MS abandoned their original DRM scheme and it's part of the reason why I am hopeful about the Scorpio. So, to answer your question, I'm really about a hand-full of honest-to-god XBox exclusives away from buying one as things stand.

Can't wait for the Scorpio reveal. Some people are so caught up in this "gaming generation" thing by saying things like it's too late to introduce new more powerful hardware this gen, lol. If that is really true, why did Sony release a more powerful console, why did Nintendo release a more powerful system, shouldn't it be too late for those hardware too. If reports are true, Sony are planning on releasing yet another new PS4 hardware lol. Anyway, looking forward to see what the Scorpio has to offer. These new hardware will always extend the life of the gaming generation.

@Shewgenja: A gaming PC will serve you much better on MS exclusives and multi-plat games. No need for an Xbox.

Well, as things stand now, of course. I have a fairly decent rig, too. If MS announces actual exclusives coming to the Bone/Scorpio that I am interested in, then I will buy one. If they don't, well, that's $500 more I have to spend on my Ryzen build.

imo agreed

So why did you state that you had already sold your XB1 in this thread a couple of days ago if you had sold it just today? that's why i asked if you had more than one.

For once, Michael Pachter has a point.

The Xbox one has no frickin' games that aren't multiplat, is it even an debate that the PS4 will come out as the winner this generation? Even the Ultra HD player in the Xbox One S couldn't even sell the console.

Pachter is right. Then again it's easy money betting against Xbox atm. Scorpio is basically DoA if they don't put out a new killer IP soon.

@charizard1605: Scorpio will be successful enough. I lot of gamers want a more powerful system to replace their OG XB1. Other gamers who weren't happy with the OG XB1 will jump to get the Scorpio if the price is right. All Microsoft has to do is deliver the games and show what this system can do.

Console and casual gamers who could care less about PC gaming. There are obviously millions of them. The fact that there will be more XB1/Scorpio exclusives in the future means even more gamers will return. With most of the best PC games coming to PS4 and XB1, there's really no reason to spend thousands on a Super Gaming PC. I actually dumped about 35-40 old PC games from the late 1990's and early 2000. I actually sold a brand new Quake 2 PC game on Ebay. lol!! I still have at least 3 boxes of old PC games. Games like Hexen, Interstate 76, Tiger Woods 2002 and lots of other crap. I'm done with PC gaming unless Star Citizen gets released.

Some would say you can't sell what you don't have lol.

In U.S. market share, PC gaming is able to compete against either PS4 or XBO at per platform basis, just don't expect PC gaming to take on the entire game console platforms.

Yep, a console can only get so far if it lacks exclusive titles.

XBO has about 33 exclusive games that are not available for Windows PC and PS4.

by Niko Partners analyst Daniel Ahmad.

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/821115988607401984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The loser was Nintendo's desktop gaming device Wii/Wii U.

Unlike PS4, Xbox One is not significantly gaining new gamers from Nintendo camp and from new customers.

I agree that he says most won't be able to tell differences between PS4 Pro and Scorpio given many lack the televisions with 4K HDR really needed to see those differences, and I largely agree Scorpio won't do much to change their position on the market, but it's more of a maintaining what they have in their market position kind of effort. But, it's nonetheless a major hardware upgrade that I think Xbox owners want, and it's going to afford them new possibilities with that hardware I hope show something worthwhile.

I get what you're trying to say, but this idea that one needs to spend "thousands" on a super gaming pc really needs to die.

Yes, the barrier for entry is a bit higher, in the sense that one should really start out by spending good coin on a solid case with lots of cooling, and an overkill power supply. I have been using the same case and PSU for over 10 years now. Once that is taken care of, you really only need to invest around $100-$150 a year average to stay current. When you do your video card upgrade, buy one that comes with a free game or two that you were going to buy anyways. There's a good chunk of your investment recouped.

I mean, what household doesn't have at least one PC anyways? Just ensure that when you buy a PC for day to day use, it doesn't have a piece of crap CPU/case/PSU, and you're set. Now all you're comparing is the cost of a decent graphics card, vs an xbox/ps4.

Here is something that is missed often. Some people don't want to game on their PC. Thats where consoles come into the picture but that is where Xbox Anywhere also fits into the giving gamers/consumers more options. If you are a PC gamer you play games on your PC, even Xbox games. If you are a console gamer and have no desire to play on the PC, Xbox One can facilitate you even if you jump ship later. Gamers should have mobility with their games and not be locked to any one device but a device of their liking whether it be PS4 or Xbox One or PC. Buy a game once play on the device of your liking. But bloody fanboys and their archaic logic and boggeyman belief that such a scenario would negate competition as if games vs games is not the core competition.

It sure as hell mattered for the exlusiveless ps4

I'm not a Xbox fan at all, BUT I do see a stronger system from them as a good thing. Each system needs something to help them stand out on their own, unique way, and theirs can be the power house.

Pachter is a 100% correct.

Sad, filthy Lemmings...waiting all this time for what, another failure?

@charizard1605: if they dont have the games to justify the Scorpio's existence then it will be the same thing as before. You need more than your tried and true Halo, Gears, Forza because everything new Microsoft has tried has flopped in one way or the other- new IPs like Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Ryse, and Recore flopping, Dead Rising (4 is coming to PS4) Titanfall (2 came to PS4) and Tomb Raider (Rise came to PS4) games being timed exclusives, and virtually every "exclusive" the console has seen has made its way to PC. I think Halo 5 and Sunset are the only 2 games that are on Xbox One and nowhere else.

@charizard1605 said:

@Pedro said:

@VERTIGO47 said:

I second this.

I usually multi task, posting on System Wars and getting laid at the same time.

Your waifu from Persona 5 or any Persona games doesn't count :P

So much hyperbole in one post, where to begin... I've always felt in the last 4 years that Microsoft was actually doing better when it came to games. All the big titles from Sony where not that interesting except for Bloodborne, and I never really was a fan of Uncharted. While Microsoft showed new IP's that I actually liked playing mostly SSOD, and Ryse was fun for 1 playthrough anc a couple of MP matches. Now in 2017 Sony got a great start, and I would like to play HZD, but that's about it, all those JRPG aren't interesting, and a lot of people feel the same way hence their weak performance outside of Japan.

About Nintendo... You're jumping the gun way too early. There is nowhere near the hype they had like in the case of the Wii. Sure it might be outselling it at the moment, but I don't see a lot of people mentioning it outside of gaming communities. I don't think Scorpio is the savior, but it will go all Negan on PS4 graphically.

yes, and due to the perception of having weaker hardware (coupled with bad PR decisions made by Sony at the time), didn't the sales of the PS3 suffer as a result?.. didn't the PlayStation brand lose tons of marketshare to Xbox during that time?..

it wasn't until a combination of Bluray winning the format wars (which added huge value to the PS3 console as a cheap Bluray player), Microsoft starting to change focus towards the casual market with Kinect to the detriment of thier 1st party offerings (trying to get dat Wii money), Sony doubling down on 1st party studios at that same time (maintaining focus on the core gamer audience), and developers finally getting a grip on the PS3 architecture to bring parity to multiplatform games (ending their version of "resolutiongate"), that the PS3 sales started to surge back into contention.. those first 3 factors can be boiled down to "positive PR" and that last factor addressed the perception of the PS3 having "weaker hardware" for multiplats..

the jury is still out on whether or not having the better hardware for multiplats is going to provide a late gen surge for Microsoft with Project Scorpio but there's no denying that if you have the weaker hardware along with bad PR, sales are going to be affected negatively regardless of what exclusives you have.. Just ask Nintendo about that fact..

PC GPUs costing above $349 would have install base worst than Wii U. There's no way in hell an Xbox type machine with $499 priced GTX 1080 GPU will over come Wii U's install base.

With Xbox Play Anywhere, MS effectively attached their Windows 10 based PCs to Xbox which offers scaling from cheap 4K Blu-ray player priced Xbox One S to intermediate priced Xbox Scorpio to higher priced/BYO hardware gaming PC.

The mobile gaming question... to be addressed by MS and it's hardware partners later this year.

http://www.mobipicker.com/microsoft-surface-pro-5-release-date-specs-amd-ryzen-windows-10-creators/

Microsoft Surface Pro 5 could make its arrival this Spring and it could come with the latest and greatest offering from AMD – AMD Ryzen! Trailer for Alien: Covenant flaunts a new Microsoft Surface device. And guess who’s sponsoring the movie? Well, you got it right. AMD. The trailer’s description says it loud and clear “Intelligence powered by AMD, Ryzen and Radeon”. Well that’s good enough a indication that the next Surface Pro offering from Microsoft could come with AMD Ryzen.

AMD Raven Ridge APU is the first PC APU to rival XBO's GPU power.

AMD's March 2017 road map.

AMD has prioritized mobile Raven Ridge APU ahead of the desktop version.

A reasonable cost ultra-book with transformer tablet feature with Raven Ridge APU that can play Xbox Play Anywhere games at around XBO level would a win for Window mobile PC industry and MS's software ecosystem.

MS must convert thier laptop PC fleet to XBO level gaming capable.

Nier Automata wasn't strictly anime/JRPG, hence pretty good acceptance in the western PC gaming world.

@FastRobby: lol jrpgs... get a clue.

@ronvalencia said:

@kaealy said:

The Xbox one has no frickin' games that aren't multiplat, is it even an debate that the PS4 will come out as the winner this generation? Even the Ultra HD player in the Xbox One S couldn't even sell the console.

XBO has about 33 exclusive games that are not available for Windows PC and PS4.

by Niko Partners analyst Daniel Ahmad.

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/821115988607401984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Here is the same chart as before. But this time for Xbox sales. Note. Xbox One sales are estimated. Actual sales may vary. pic.twitter.com/ymHSt0KgNg

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) January 16, 2017

The loser was Nintendo's desktop gaming device Wii/Wii U.

Unlike PS4, Xbox One is not significantly gaining new gamers from Nintendo camp and from new customers.

Sorry, I forgot to put "and worth playing" in that sentence. So indies matter now in terms of exclusives? So PC pretty much won by by walkover then, good to know. Still an pathetic excuse of a list if you compare with PC and the PS4. As he said, that is just an estimation and like most estimations it will probably not pan out.

Buying a Xbox One or buying a scorpi when it launches is like buying a Wii-U. Buying a dead console that releases games worth playing once or twice a year.

Come on man the PS3 was $600 and had inferior multiplatforms all generations long did not stop the PS3 from catching and passing the 360,even with a 360 1 year head start,did you remember the last time sony had a 1+ year on the xbox brand.? The PS2 decimated the xbox even at the same price while being twice as powerful.

The PS4 had more games since day 1 than the xbox,killzone on launch outsold every single xbox one exclusive hell most multiplatforms as well,2.1 million in a 4.2 million user base is allot more than what Forza 5 sold on xbox one on its launch window.

In the end the PS4 had more games,xbox PR was a disaster but not as bad as lemmings want to make it see they sold 3 million units in like 40 days,that is a hell of allot better than the 360 and original xbox as well,so the PR crap wasn't such a big deal.

No and sony didn't chose Gddr5 at the last minute,what they did was increase it for 4 to 8GB at last minute,GDDR5 was on sony plans since the start.

What analyst Patcher? Hahahahaa

It was lemmings such as your self and many other who claimed sony was doomed this gen because they were going bankrupt and that they could not make a stronger console than MS...lol

Oh i remember the threads hahaha...

Only EA was dumb enough to fall for that one,and they make a deal with MS for Titanfall because well they wanted to beat Activision,and i am sure MS wasn't happy when Bungie signed with Activision,Titanfall is nothing but a rip off from COD and it was clear why the game ended in MS hands..lol

You don't win a generation with just US wasn't that clear last gen?

Haahaa can you be more hypocrite?

Lemmings were graphics whores on the PS2 gen and on the 360 gen,and as soon as the xbox one loss the graphics wise it was all about the games hahahahaa i don't know which ones since the xbox one had crap pretty much all gen to by the way...lol

Power matter just not enough to win you a generation.

I don't see Scorpio outselling the xbox one,just like the Pro wasn't outselling the PS4 slim.

Price gap will be to big.

I just love when some one dismiss some incredible games on PS with just a "" I don't like it"" Or "" Don't interest me"" They claim to have fun with fu**ing Ryse a shitty hack a slash game on xbox one with a 60 score.

Then i remember that the same apply to all fanboys,and that many bought a PS4 for Killzone SF,many bough DC and even the Order,so you see the PS4 has those games to,it just happen to have a better selection of great games as well.

Yeah because it's all about gameplay... I'm from Europe, and Ryse is much more part of my history, and culture than Nioh which is based on Japanese culture. What's next? I can't prefer Gladiator over Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi because it got a better score at imdb?

In matters of taste, there can be no disputes

Why does MS sell Surface tablet when it sells windows? Why does Apple make IPAD instead of just selling iOS?

The answer: because they want to sell devices that run their eco-systems their way. That doesn't mean it's always going to be a success.. In terms of Xbox Scorpio - who cares if it's basically a PC? It's not like the "gaming PC" market has been conquered by any one company, and unless they are dropping out entirely from "consoles" this at least gives them a shot to stay competitive vs. Playstation.

After the reveal we know if this will sell or not. The internet is one of the reasons Playstation 4 was a success. Scorpio is next cool thing it be a hit.

Right on brother.

In a way, I think it's a mistake to market is as "Xbox One" since that is a bit of a failure.

It should be marketed as something new. A next gen machine. Maybe bump it up to 8 Teraflops just to make sure it has enough distinction. Of course price also matters, especially if it's a continuation of Xbox One. In that context, if it is sold for $599 it won't move the needle (the only chance it would have at $599 if it's some crazy 10 Teraflop machine with launch exclusives). If they shock everyone and bring out a 6 Teraflop machine at $299 or $349, even if it's still an "Xbox One", it could make a dent in the console market the same way $299 PS3 slim turned the fortunes of the PS3 around.

I disagree, it will give all the games released guaranteed full 1080p with AA and have frames to spare for extra graphics improvements. No more of this sub 1080p / 900p bs.

Reason why i think it be a success.. Xbox gamers went out and bought the xbox one when it came with Kinect at 500 Dollars. Millions of gamers bought the system when everyone was saying how great Sony was and PS4 was so powerful.

Xbox one is out 4 years when the Scorpio launches enough time to buy another console. Microsoft revealed this console a year and half ago, if you not got the money for it, you can't blame Microsoft they told you its coming.

They only way i see this console failing is if its not as powerful as Microsoft lead people to believe or its too expensive over 500 dollars.

Oddly enough, just a year or so ago an extra 180P on the Bore > X1 made all the difference and the talk of the town and fast forward a year and eh, powah doesn't matter lol.

Well, many of us predicted this cow hypocrisy and comes as no surprise. The MS/Xbox anti-fans insecurity is through the roof these dayzzz. Oh it's gonna be a glorious Stinger. :P

Yes, but that's why I said it should be marketed as "next gen". I dont' think too many are going to run out and spend $500 on ANOTHER Xbox One - while some ran out and did that at Xbox One launch I bet alot of those people feel burned by MS. Another $500 isn't going to be appealing so long as it's still marketed as an "Xbox One". It at least needs to undercut the PS4 Pro, which itself seems like it's only doing "OK" in the sales department. If they price it at $399 it will do merely OK imo, to get a huge boost I think they need to both undercut the PS4 Pro price and deliver something a little more powerful.

So, you're saying the resolution wars of Gen 7 never happened?

C'mon, muddy the water tactics. :P

Anyway, very different sitchy there because the cows got what was coming to'em because of all the smack talk in late 2005 when 360 launched through 2006 and how the PS3 was a super computer and was going to crush 360 in both visuals and sales and as we all know, all that hyperbole backfired big time. Even so, lems were nothing like cows then and now, in fact, it was mostly cows making threads back then touting any little wins for PS3 especially that their exclusives were the real graphics kings.

@Pedro:

No, I wasn't saying that having less available games on one system is more options, I said having the ability to buy whatever you want is more options. You said buying consoles similar to each other is a waste of money. Well, I could say the exact same for people who constantly buy upgrades for their pc's.

You DON'T HAVE TO buy the upgrades constantly for your pc but you CAN. Just like you DON'T HAVE TO buy every console out there but you CAN. That's just how corporate America goes. It's always about the competition. Why buy cereals that are similar? Or cars? Tv's, games, smartphones, even pc's!

If it's exclusivity of games you're whining about, they only make a small fraction of those separate consoles so I'd say they hardly make a difference. The other factors that weigh in are the UI's, the controllers, wireless routers and specs. Ps4 has terrible controllers to me, Xbox One doesn't so I play more on Xbox One. And since I make money to burn, I got both to keep track of their exclusives! That goes well for me since I love fps and 3rd person shooters. If I didn't, then I would just stick with Xbox One.

Sounds like a recipe for reciprocity. LOL. Oh well. Probably fun times!

Little Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger lingo "Reciprocity" there, love it and yeah, always up for fun times my friend. :)

And I honestly can't imagine what it must be like being a die-hard true believer of PlayStation. It too has had the bus thrown, is a weak ass console (including the PS Pro). When we were sitting around for the second half of last year (and 2015 and 2014) with ZERO games on the PS, and Xbox was getting backlogged with them because they dropped bombs like Hiroshima on the PS.

So I really don't understand your point?