The Xbox One Scorpio May Be More Powerful Than PS4 Pro- But It Doesn't Matter, According To Michael Pachter

Just making sure I understand your contention here. You're saying that you started this gen with a console worth a damn and now things went silly?

Sorry, but your analogy falls flat.

Any car you buy, can be driven on any road.

What if you had to buy a Ford to be allowed to drive on one road, and a Chevy to drive another?

I"m just not even sure what you're arguing, unless you just like being contrary for the sake of it.

If all consoles died off, leaving PC as the only gaming platform you could:

a) buy whatever game you wished.

b) spend whatever you wished on hardware to get the performance level you were comfortable with for your budget.

c) games would be developed for ONE PLATFORM, meaning no more wasted time optimizing for multiple different platforms.

d) buy and use whatever input method you want. Be it xbox style controller, sony style, or keyboard/mouse

e) no more pay to play online BS.

Not sure how this scenario is "less" choice.

And yes, exclusives can and do make a difference. They are developed for ONE PLATFORM instead of multiple, so they can be optimized out the wazoo. Just look at HZD.

Oh, and going back to the car analogy....

Isn't buying two underpowered consoles when you're an FPS fan kinda like buying a Ford Pinto and a Chevy sprint when you're a driving enthusiast? :P

Your logic is flawed. Games are not locked behind upgrades when gaming on the PC. However, games are locked to consoles. So that analogy simply does not work. Any argument about competition is void because games compete with other games regardless of platform. Movie and music lovers entertainment are not locked to hardware and the same should apply to games. The current state of games benefits to partially no one, not even the company that has exclusives. Exclusives will always limit availability to the consumer and the amount of revenue a company can generate.

Please man stop with the history crap the game suck ass,and you lemmings play that crap and like it,by the old way of making things i should be listing each and every game on PS4 that scored 60 or better because well score don't matter only personal enjoyment does when comparing line ups.

So i find samurai interesting so Genji was a great game for PS3..lol

No it wasn't it sucked ass,regardless of me liking or not samurai culture...

Yes it can be disputed,every one has a shitty excuse to justify what they like,so if you like Ryse yeah you have objectively bad taste the game suck regardless of the so call cultural spin you want to put on it.

You didn't play the game el tormented so how could you comment on it? Reviews and youtube doesn't count but personal experience does and you have ZERO of that.

Once again commenting on a game you haven't played. You're the worst kind of cow, a cow that doesn't play games hahahaha dude that's pathetic.

An opinion is just that an opinion, it's not good or bad but forming an opinion based off no real world experience is just pathetic. YOU can't comment on games you haven't played so basically you can't comment on any game we talk about in any thread.

You're such a child... Maybe you didn't understand me properly so I'll say it in Latin to stay in the right context: de gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum.

lol @ lems in this thread jumping through hoops to defend flops like Ryse Flop of Rome. The lack of games has really gotten to them this gen.

He's right. The PS2 was much weaker and it didn't matter. The PS4 Pro is powerful enough and has a great combination of exclusives and multiplats. It's not about power, it's about balance. I wouldn't give a crap how weak the Xbox One is if it had a load of amazing exclusives, who cares. People still talk about and play the PS One and to be honest the graphics on that thing is messy. Games first, PS4 Pros performance is just a decent bonus.

The Scorpio is like going from a DVD player to a Blu Ray player, it's still a multiplat player. Not that exciting imo. I'd personally choose a PS4 Pro.

@Pedro:

You're either not listening deliberately or you have potatoes in your ears. Exclusive games are just a gimmick. You can get the console to get the game but you don't have to. That's it! Saying that Uncharted is bs for only being on ps consoles is as pointless as saying 4 seating is bs for being locked out of sports cars. You can get a car with 4 seats or one with 2 seats. It's your choice. How hard is this to understand?

Consumers are only limited to the money in their pockets. If they choose not to buy more then they have to settle for getting less. No one is "locked" out of anything. No one is pointing a gun to your head ordering you to only game on pc. You CHOOSE to stick to pc.

I see you already had good enough replies from other posters so I wont even bother

Don't get agitated because your analogy made no sense. You made the point that the current setup gives more options and that is factually untrue. You made the point that buying different consoles to access games is the same as upgrading your PC, this is also untrue. Both your claims were incorrect. Making your entire argument nonsensical. The fact is games are lock to hardware on consoles. That is factually reality. Its not "locked" its simply locked. Using another failed analogy of "No one is pointing a gun to your head ordering you to only game on pc." not only is a weak counter argument but has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. You are simply sidetracking to find some validation to points and analogies that were false.

There's no valid argument one can really make in favor of proprietary closed systems, so I'm not even sure why this is a debate.

@Pedro:

Analogies aside, my whole point is that you only limit yourself by sticking to one platform. Nothing is locked as long as you're willing to buy the other platforms. That's it. If you deliberately misunderstand that then that's YOUR business. You say games are locked to one console. Well, that's only a problem if you decide not to game on the other console. No one is forcing you to stick to one. You only limit yourself.

In a perfect world, exclusive games don't exist. But we don't live in one so you can either buy more or not. It's up to you. That was my point, I have no idea how the hell you ended up focusing on analogies. Seriously, it's like you were having a completely different discussion with someone else.

@kaealy said:

@ronvalencia said:

@kaealy said:

The Xbox one has no frickin' games that aren't multiplat, is it even an debate that the PS4 will come out as the winner this generation? Even the Ultra HD player in the Xbox One S couldn't even sell the console.

XBO has about 33 exclusive games that are not available for Windows PC and PS4.

by Niko Partners analyst Daniel Ahmad.

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/821115988607401984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Here is the same chart as before. But this time for Xbox sales. Note. Xbox One sales are estimated. Actual sales may vary. pic.twitter.com/ymHSt0KgNg

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) January 16, 2017

The loser was Nintendo's desktop gaming device Wii/Wii U.

Unlike PS4, Xbox One is not significantly gaining new gamers from Nintendo camp and from new customers.

Sorry, I forgot to put "and worth playing" in that sentence. So indies matter now in terms of exclusives? So PC pretty much won by by walkover then, good to know. Still an pathetic excuse of a list if you compare with PC and the PS4. As he said, that is just an estimation and like most estimations it will probably not pan out.

Buying a Xbox One or buying a scorpi when it launches is like buying a Wii-U. Buying a dead console that releases games worth playing once or twice a year.

Your arguments are not backed stats.

Daniel Ahmad's estimates are backed by AMD CEO's statements on record semi-custom sales for both XBO and PS4. PS4's sales has displaced AMD's Wii/Wii U design lost.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4013705-advanced-micro-devices-amd-lisa-su-q3-2016-results-earnings-call-transcript

Lisa Su

Thank you, Ruth and good afternoon to all those listening in today. Our strong third quarter results highlight the progress we have made across AMD this past year as we improve our financial performance by delivering great products. Third quarter revenue of $1.3 billion increased 27% sequentially and 23% from the year ago period. Driven by upside demand for our graphics products and record semi custom sales.

Hmm, well the analogies were awful, and by far the weakest part of your argument, so that's probably why he focused on them.

We were having a civil discussion regarding the fact that exclusives benefit nobody but the console manufacturers, and if consoles just died leaving only the PC, there wouldn't be any more "exclusives" and everyone wins.

Then you came in with your "rah rah capitalism, cereal, cars, wireless routers etc" rant which made no sense. :P

@Antwan3K: Microsoft done Sony's job for them with the horrible reveal, kinect being mandatory and the DRM bs.

Sony were given the keys to the kingdom by Microsoft and their stupid decisions.

Xbox is a gaming ghetto and Scorpio will get duked by PS4 and PS4 Pro just like how the original oh so powerful Xbox got its shit pushed in by she oh so weak PS2. Lemmings better be ready for another gen of ostracization and embarrassment.

sounds like a textbook cop-out to me.. would you care to elaborate for yourself?..

Do you honestly believe the PS4's current sales success had nothing to do with having better performance for multiplats?.. It was all about Sony 1st party titles?..

If so, well what happened to the PS3 then?.. it had poorer performance for mulitplats coupled with a higher price tag yet it still had 1st party games from Sony to rely on, right?.. Sony's 1st party studios is all a console needs, correct?.. according to your logic, the PS3 should have stormed out the gate destroying the 360, yet in reality the PS3 lost the NPD to the 360 for nearly the entirety of last generation..

as mulitplats are the highest selling and highest rated games in terms of sheer volume, having better hardware to run those games has proven to be an advantage.. i'm not saying that's the only factor, but it is indeed a factor.. are you disagreeing with that logic?.. are you saying 1st party exclusives are the end-all-be-all for console sales?.. well explain Nintendo's situation over the last generation then.. they have arguably the best 1st party games on the planet..

the reality is: having the best hardware to run muliplats coupled with positive PR (pricing, marketing, messaging, value, etc) is what's truly driving sales these days.. 1st party exclusives are just icing on the cake as far as many gamers are concerned when games like The Witcher III, Grand Theft Auto V, Red Dead Redemption 2, Battlefield 1, Overwatch, and more are the games setting the highest bar in terms of gamer interest and commercial success.. I mean we're talking about potentially 5~10 AA-AAA multiplats releasing every year and if one console is perceived to be struggling to run those games in comparison to the competitors console, those 1~2 1st party exclusives are going to have a hard time swaying the gaming public to ignore the lower performance for those 5~10 top-tier mulitplats..

All those die-hard PS2 fans had no problems jumping ship to Xbox 360 in order to play better muliplats and the 360's 1st party games were just an afterthought behind the better performance for 3rd party games and the overall positive PR surrounding the console.. And all those same die-hard 360 fans had no problems jumping ship to the PS4 to play better multiplats and the PS4's 1st party games were just an afterthought behind the better performance for 3rd party games and the overall positive PR surrounding the conosle.. will PS4 fans who weren't impressed by the PS4 Pro jump ship to Project Scorpio if/when they get a 4K TV capable of taking advantage of the higher resolutions?.. only time will tell.. this is our first mid-gen upgrade cycle and who knows how the market will ultimately respond.. but you're delusional if you don't understand the roles that hardware performance and positive PR plays in console sales these days..

@wiiboxstation: this

@charizard1605:

If Power Isn't Important, Why Does Sony Advertise The PS4 As The Most Powerful Console?

It actually did. The PS3 with a year less in the market, it outsold the 360 year over year for the entire gen and it ended up with more units sold in the end. Even when the PS3 was a much more expensive machine and hard to develop for, people chose it over the 360 because of its high quality exclusive library. So your example is crap.

Better explain this, if power is so important, how come you bought the xbone instead of the PS4? How come the 3DO flopped and the original Xbox was destroyed by the PS2. The fact is that all real world examples out there point to power not being a deciding factor on consoles.

Xbox 360 has sold 84 million as of June 2014.^[34] and it's runtime ecosystem lived on inside every Xbox One's BC.

For PS3, Sony press release reported 80 million sold as of November 2, 2013.^[23]

^"PlayStation 3 Sales Reach 80 Million Units Worldwide" (Press release). PR Newswire. November 6, 2013. Retrieved November 6, 2013.

^Makuch, Eddie (June 9, 2014). "E3 2014: $399 Xbox One Out Now, Xbox 360 Sales Rise to 84 million". GameSpot. Retrieved August 12, 2014.

Since Pachter said being more powerful won't matter because of diminishing returns there is a few things we can take as fact from this using the opposite is always true factor of Pachter.

We already know that being more powerful is very important for the Xbox brand because with the exception of the Xbox One, Xbox was synonymous with having better gaming HW and that is what Xbox fans expect. Xbox fans expect better multi plats and HW that can handle Split Screen.

The other future truth we can gather from his prediction is that diminishing returns isn't a thing yet and it's just Pre Damage Control by the Sony Media. There should be noticeable differences between the Pro and Scorpio.

1-The PS3 arrived at 80 million units weeks after the xbox 360 did.

Today, Microsoft revealed that Xbox 360 has “reached 80 million consoles sold to retailers worldwide” according to its internal data. “Sold to retailers” doesn’t necessarily mean all of these consoles have yet to trickle out to customers, though retailers wouldn’t buy consoles unless there was consumer demand.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/17/xbox-360-80-million-sold-and-counting

News came in on October 17 2013.

Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today announced that cumulative sales of the PlayStation®3 (PS3®) computer entertainment system has reached a milestone of 80 million units*1 worldwide as of November 2, 2013. Now in its seventh year, the PS3 system has demonstrated continued growth and momentum.

http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/press-release/playstation-3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide.html

As of november 2 2013 the PS3 sold 80 million.

2-You can't be this hypocrite and dishonest,LINK to where sony claim PS3 sales stopped in November 2013...

Now i don't want any irrelevant shitty chart from you,what i want is an actual link from sony stating that they haven't sold a single PS3 in stores after they reach 80 million.

Lemmings are pathetic so here we are,the PS3 sold 80 million in 7 years the xbox 360 sold 80 million in 8 years,average rate of sales..

80 million divided by 8 years = 10 millions per year.

80 million divided by 7 years = 11.4 million per year

The PS3 never stopped outselling the xbox 360,so in 2014 it outsold it,in 2015,and 2016 even more as the 360 was discontinue early in 2016 and the PS3 continue to sell.

The PS3 outsold the 360 and we all know it,putting invisible walls in sales after 2013 doesn't help your case you have no proof that the PS3 stopped selling exactly when it reach 80 million.

By the way stop saying the xbox 360 ecosystem lives inside the xbox one,what MS has is shitty emulation and doesn't work with the majority of the games,one xbox one sold doesn't = 1 more 360 sold that argument is totally moronic and stupid..

I guess the PS1 sold 346 million units since you know the PS2 play PS1 games,and the PS3 play PS1 games so that mean the PS1 sold 346 million units..

That stupid your argument is.

Because if the competition has being all about power in the past and has kick you,when you have the change to kick back you do so.

With the best graphics and audio power of any gaming system, and a launch portfolio of games that has been heralded as more impressive than any in the history of the industry, Xbox kicks open the door to the most explosive, engrossing and intense games experiences on the planet.Read more at

https://news.microsoft.com/2001/11/15/xbox-erupts-on-the-scene/#tJStcwQYlqZrqmiO.99

MS 2001.

MS has work the graphics angle since the start by the way the xbox was twice as powerful as the PS2 had twice the memory,and was sold for the same price $299 and loss 25 million vs 157 million..

Power mean shit to win a generation is already proven.

Oh the wii says high to.

1-No they don't as the Pro proves with its abysmal sales.

2-The PS3 also had a $600 launch priced and 1 full year of disadvantage vs the 360 which was as cheap as $299,and had a built a library of games that were mostly console exclusive by default because there was no competition.

Reality is other by the way the PS3 outsold the xbox 360 almost every single year it was out,including 2007 when Halo 3 came out,NPD doesn't = the WORLD.

If fact the core 360 was cheaper than any PS3 model all generation long.

3- Oh really? then how the xbox loss 25 million vs 157 millions vs the PS2?

The xbox had better performance graphics than the PS2,but it was missing 1 thing a huge ass selection of games like the PS2 had,odd isn't it that the xbox 360 was able to build a library in a 1 year head start just like the PS2 did and gained it support from gamers?

So what was different between the xbox vs the xbox 360? I mean the xbox was twice as powerful as the PS2 had twice as much memory,HDD built in and loss badly,the xbox 360 actually had a stronger GPU but weaker CPU same amount of ram as the PS3 and was able to capture a bigger user base while being closer power wise to the PS3 than the xbox was to the PS2?

Oh enter the games that is what happen the 360 got games,many great one by the time the PS3 started to pump some great games the 360 had a ton already.

You know what the fun part is that the XBO will outsell Scorpio do to pricing,and most xbox owners will be at the bottom of the barrel,scorpio doesn't increase power on the xbox one,and just like the slim showed people will take a cheaper units over a more powerful one if the price is considerably cheaper $400 Pro $250 or less Slim smashed the Pro sales.

We are talking about $150 less to play the same damn games,people will simply not jump.

4-Those die hard PS2 fans stayed on PS2 over the xbox on that gen why do you think that happen? In fact the xbox 360 loss many performance battles vs the PS3 it wasn't even a case of the xbox 360 won all,the PS2 won non yet people bough more PS2 than xbox by a land slide.

5-There is more than a power angle when people bought a PS4 over and xbox one.

$500 vs $400.

More games higher rated.

MS lies and damage controls over DRM,weak specs and all that crap.

There was no 1 year head start for the xbox brand this time.

MS bad relationship with indies.

The XBOX was a better machine back in the day, plus it was Microsoft's first attempt.. and if you actually go back to these machines i am willing to bet 80% of people would replay their classic games on the XBOX over the PS2 if they allowed their brains to stop being biased.

Case in point.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/retro-gaming-909394552/looking-back-at-the-6th-generation-xbox-33386555/#2

4k is a waste of time. I play on 24" monitor, the max i would go is 27. 1080p is more than enough. I could probably notice 4K if i sit really close but my health is more important than 4K gimmick. PS4 should focus only 60fps and graphical improvements.

Considering the huge gap in games the PS2 had over the xbox i don't think so,and in those days COD boom wasn't there to push the xbox popularity.

And way more people played GTA on PS2 than on xbox which didn't sell a fraction of what the PS2 sold.

Playstation hype machine was well in place and an oiled machine.

What people want now the XBOX had regardless of how you spin it.

Oh, a "cop-out"... thats cute...

Where did I said better performance wasnt important? Of course it is, BUT it isnt all. Contrary to popular belief exclusives are the main factor when choosing a console over the other, especialy when two consoles have barely anything to diferentiate themselves as it was with the x360/PS3 and X1/PS4. If exclusives didnt matter then why did the PS3 catch up with the x360 (some reports even say it surpassed it) when it was common knowledge the X360 had better multiplats? Why did the PS2 sold as much as it did if the GC and the OG Xbox had better hardware?

I find it cute lems think exclusives dont matter when its pretty obvious they do. Its no wonder that when the X360 sold better was when it had a bunch of exclusives and timed-exclusives (thought to be real exclusives at the time) releasing for it (Halo 3, Gears of War, BioShock, Mass Effect, etc, etc...)

Michael Patcher is always wrong

Last I checked multiplatform games not only make up the 98 percentile of games in general, they also make up in nearly every case the most sold games time and time again...

So yes, it does matter, very much so regardless of what this guy says, who mind you is continually wrong.

As a owner of all platforms besides the Xone and PS4.. i'm enjoying the entertainment.

Seems you Sony fans are untouchable.

PS2 has weak hardware, games sell consoles!!111!!

PS3, almost the only talk about that machine is TLOU and it's visuals.

PS4, same thing and it's visuals and performance.

XBOX Scorpio is proving to be a powerhouse, Sony fans, OH LOOK AT OG XBOX AND PS2.

You know despite the hype from the original PS1 masking any chance the Dreamcast, GCN or XBOX had, the XBOX was a success but an internal disaster financially for MS, then 2006 came and MS took the cake with a much better made console vs the PS3 regardless of outcome, the 360 was a true force to be reckoned with and was an even bigger success.

PS4 comes around boasting a supposed 50% GPU leap in performance over XB1, and Sony fans are all over it and there to beat the XBOX down every chance they get.

As a manticore i will show you this.

PS2 had games, but the XBOX had finesse and refined experiences, the Dreamcast had games over graphics, the PS1 had games over graphics and is preferred to my N64.

Get a load of those lovely PS2 visuals, i won't even murder your ears with the audio quality.

Both running through component on the same TV, PS2 can't do 480P, XBOX can and much higher, PS2's 1080i upscaler is a hilarious gimmick, it upscales 576i into 1080i and look horrendous on a HDTV, a HD CRT it does look better, but is nowhere close to the output quality of even the Dreamcast let alone the XBOX.

yep, it was definitely cute..

And I never said performance was everything.. I clearly said it was only a factor.. I already explained why the PS3 came back into contention in great detail in the parts of my post you didn't re-quote and apparently didn't read.. and as an added bit of clarification, the fact is that PlayStation will always have an advantage in terms of worldwide appeal (Japanese gamers and devs will always prefer Sony and Nintendo consoles) but the PS3 was handed it's ass for basically the entire generation in terms of NPD, which is the main territory that Xbox will ever be strong.. all things being equal in a territory that evenly supports both platforms like the US, the platform with better performance for mulitplats had better sales both last gen and this gen.. exclusives clearly play second fiddle to hardware performance in this current era where 98% of the video games released are multiplatform.. positive PR surrounding the console plays a major role as well..

it's funny how cows think exclusives are all that matter when even top Sony execs admitted that the PS4 exclusives were "sparse" in those early years and they were leaning heavily on multiplat games and marketing deals in order to sell consoles (much like the 360 did last gen).. One major Spring release every year like Bloodborne, Uncharted 4, and now Horizon doesn't equate to the type of 2:1 sales advantage the PS4 is enjoying.. clearly there are other factors at work here.. Hell, even Sony admitted they didn't understand why the console was selling so well in those early years yet you can say with confidence it was based primarily on exclusives?.. The Xbox One arguably had more major exclusives in those early years yet it did absolutely nothing to help slow down the sales of the PS4.. the PS4 sold on better hardware and better PR in those early years.. It wasn't until recently that any argument about system selling exclusives (like Uncharted 4) could be brought to this debate and by then, the sales war was already over.. the explanation for that result is clear and it certainly wasn't Sony's 1st party studios..

The system with the most exclusive has been canned, that being the WiiU. Arguing that exclusives are the main determining factor in purchasing a console is folly. If that was the case the WiiU would have dominated and the Ps4 would have sold significantly less the first 2 years. But, the PS4 ate up the competition with the absence of exclusives. This year, after 3 years of scant exclusives they were able to crank out 4 highly rate exclusives. Did their numbers spike because of this or did the momentum remained the same? Multiplats have continued to rule the charts more than exclusives and that is a fact that no-one can ignore.

@appariti0n:

No, he misunderstood the reason for the analogies and doubled down on those assumptions thinking that they were the main point to my arguments. They were just so that he could see how stupid his concept of exclusivity really was but obviously he completely missed that and chose to think that I was comparing them to his argument.

Like I said, either he was deliberately misunderstanding them or he just speed read everything nitpicking all of the details to yell out, "invalid!" So typical...

It will come down to the games, Dosent matter how powerful it is if they cant start making some decent games.

As others have highlighted ad nauseam, multiplatform games make up the 98th percentile in terms of game releases. Exclusive games as great as they may be from time to time are neither system movers anymore nor are they of great overall importance to a library. They may accentuate a library now and help add some notability to it, but the key to success is multiplatform game performance.

Multiplatform games are what sell consoles now, they are the most sold games, they are the 98th percentile, whatever system is operating them best relative to cost/value should by all accounts be the most impactful system in the market.

@botw: As you are no doubt clear, given your username and avatar, a new bit of hardware just launched that is selling entirely on the back of an exclusive game.

Exclusives can still sell hardware, if good exclusives exist at all.

What exclusive game? Breath of the Wild? That's not an exclusive game however much it may be touted as one. Also this is a Nintendo console, they don't exactly have third party on their side so almost the entirety of their sales will be for their first party games. Nintendo makes amazing games, and they pump out a lot of them, enough to justify a system on the back of the games alone, Microsoft and Sony don't subscribe to this way of conducting business and primarily survive on third party.

O? Do tell how BoTW is not a Nintendo exclusive game......

Oh, people are doing the 'brand exclusive' thing again...

It's not a Switch exclusive, it's not a Wii U exclusive, it's on two completely different platforms, and what is that called boys and girls? A multi-platform game.

Did you know that the Wii U was discontinued and taken off shelves in January 2017? So as of right now, if you want to play BotW and you don't own a Wii U (which is just about everyone, given the Wii U's sales), the only choice you have is to purchase a Switch. It is effectively an exclusive, and BotW is what has been driving Switch sales.

Do you disagree with this notion?

You can still buy a Wii U regardless of its discontinuation, you can still play the game on a console that is not the Nintendo Switch.

It's not an exclusive game, it's on two completely separate platforms.

If thats the case, then a gaming pc seems like it would be a better option. I have a gaming rig but am getting a ps4 for the exclusives.

What bollocks. You can get a WiiU for <100 euros on eBay. I know because a mate did it, purely to play BotW! It's a much cheaper option, and arguably easier considering Switch shortages.

Nope. Just like Twilight Princess wasn't a Wii exclusive either. "Effectively" is a lovely little weasel word, but false.

Breath Of The Wild is factually a multiplatform game. "Nintendo exclusive" if you like, but not a true exclusive game no matter how it's spun.

Sure, it's multi-platform if you count a dead platform with no future that almost nobody owns as the second platform.

Go ahead and argue semantics, you know darn well what everyone means when they say "exclusive".

If MS/Sony came out and said every game on their new beefier system could and will run at 60FPS I'd make the upgrade immediately. This whole resolution talk is such nonsense right now.

My TV sits between 8 to 10 feet away from my couch ... if I wanna take advantage of 4K resolution I'm gonna have to go out and buy a 75inch TV.

Maybe in 2020 the price of 4K HDR 70-75in TVs will be affordable.

Back in 2006 both Sony and Nintendo switched to reporting actual sold to customer numbers for their quarterly reports. Microsoft is the only console manufacturer who plays the silly PR game of pretending their shipped to retail numbers are actual sales to consumers.

http://spong.com/article/19131/SCEE-Clarifies-PS3-Install-Base-Maths

"We calculate our install base by 'sell through' and have done for the last four years I believe", we asked for a little additional clarification...

Microsoft's actual installed base numbers are effectively two to three million lower than they their PR numbers. Two million or so during most of the year and close to three million during the holidays when they normally flood the retail channel with stock that doesn't get sold for months so they can put out press releases about their amazing holiday sales and inflate their yearly sales numbers.