The Xbox One Scorpio May Be More Powerful Than PS4 Pro- But It Doesn't Matter, According To Michael Pachter

As a owner of all platforms besides the Xone and PS4.. i'm enjoying the entertainment.

Seems you Sony fans are untouchable.

PS2 has weak hardware, games sell consoles!!111!!

PS3, almost the only talk about that machine is TLOU and it's visuals.

PS4, same thing and it's visuals and performance.

XBOX Scorpio is proving to be a powerhouse, Sony fans, OH LOOK AT OG XBOX AND PS2.

You know despite the hype from the original PS1 masking any chance the Dreamcast, GCN or XBOX had, the XBOX was a success but an internal disaster financially for MS, then 2006 came and MS took the cake with a much better made console vs the PS3 regardless of outcome, the 360 was a true force to be reckoned with and was an even bigger success.

PS4 comes around boasting a supposed 50% GPU leap in performance over XB1, and Sony fans are all over it and there to beat the XBOX down every chance they get.

As a manticore i will show you this.

PS2 had games, but the XBOX had finesse and refined experiences, the Dreamcast had games over graphics, the PS1 had games over graphics and is preferred to my N64.

Get a load of those lovely PS2 visuals, i won't even murder your ears with the audio quality.

Both running through component on the same TV, PS2 can't do 480P, XBOX can and much higher, PS2's 1080i upscaler is a hilarious gimmick, it upscales 576i into 1080i and look horrendous on a HDTV, a HD CRT it does look better, but is nowhere close to the output quality of even the Dreamcast let alone the XBOX.

1-The PS3 arrived at 80 million units weeks after the xbox 360 did.

Today, Microsoft revealed that Xbox 360 has “reached 80 million consoles sold to retailers worldwide” according to its internal data. “Sold to retailers” doesn’t necessarily mean all of these consoles have yet to trickle out to customers, though retailers wouldn’t buy consoles unless there was consumer demand.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/17/xbox-360-80-million-sold-and-counting

News came in on October 17 2013.

Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today announced that cumulative sales of the PlayStation®3 (PS3®) computer entertainment system has reached a milestone of 80 million units*1 worldwide as of November 2, 2013. Now in its seventh year, the PS3 system has demonstrated continued growth and momentum.

http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/press-release/playstation-3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide.html

As of november 2 2013 the PS3 sold 80 million.

2-You can't be this hypocrite and dishonest,LINK to where sony claim PS3 sales stopped in November 2013...

Now i don't want any irrelevant shitty chart from you,what i want is an actual link from sony stating that they haven't sold a single PS3 in stores after they reach 80 million.

Lemmings are pathetic so here we are,the PS3 sold 80 million in 7 years the xbox 360 sold 80 million in 8 years,average rate of sales..

80 million divided by 8 years = 10 millions per year.

80 million divided by 7 years = 11.4 million per year

The PS3 never stopped outselling the xbox 360,so in 2014 it outsold it,in 2015,and 2016 even more as the 360 was discontinue early in 2016 and the PS3 continue to sell.

The PS3 outsold the 360 and we all know it,putting invisible walls in sales after 2013 doesn't help your case you have no proof that the PS3 stopped selling exactly when it reach 80 million.

By the way stop saying the xbox 360 ecosystem lives inside the xbox one,what MS has is shitty emulation and doesn't work with the majority of the games,one xbox one sold doesn't = 1 more 360 sold that argument is totally moronic and stupid..

I guess the PS1 sold 346 million units since you know the PS2 play PS1 games,and the PS3 play PS1 games so that mean the PS1 sold 346 million units..

That stupid your argument is.

Because if the competition has being all about power in the past and has kick you,when you have the change to kick back you do so.

With the best graphics and audio power of any gaming system, and a launch portfolio of games that has been heralded as more impressive than any in the history of the industry, Xbox kicks open the door to the most explosive, engrossing and intense games experiences on the planet.Read more at

https://news.microsoft.com/2001/11/15/xbox-erupts-on-the-scene/#tJStcwQYlqZrqmiO.99

MS 2001.

MS has work the graphics angle since the start by the way the xbox was twice as powerful as the PS2 had twice the memory,and was sold for the same price $299 and loss 25 million vs 157 million..

Power mean shit to win a generation is already proven.

Oh the wii says high to.

Back in 2006 both Sony and Nintendo switched to reporting actual sold to customer numbers for their quarterly reports. Microsoft is the only console manufacturer who plays the silly PR game of pretending their shipped to retail numbers are actual sales to consumers.

http://spong.com/article/19131/SCEE-Clarifies-PS3-Install-Base-Maths

"We calculate our install base by 'sell through' and have done for the last four years I believe", we asked for a little additional clarification...

Microsoft's actual installed base numbers are effectively two to three million lower than they their PR numbers. Two million or so during most of the year and close to three million during the holidays when they normally flood the retail channel with stock that doesn't get sold for months so they can put out press releases about their amazing holiday sales and inflate their yearly sales numbers.

Sony puts out sold to customer numbers in every single quarterly report.

It is Sony corporate policy and has been so since 2006.

https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/09q2_eleki.pdf

"* Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales."

Direct link and quote from Sony corporate.

Nintendo does the same. Microsoft is the only one who plays stupid games with shipment numbers pretending to be actual sales.

Year 2009 corporate PR against year 2013 corporate PR that specifically stated "Sell-in number". It's you is playing with stupid games.

For http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/press-release/playstation-3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide.html

PlayStation®3 (PS3®) computer entertainment system has reached a milestone of 80 million units*1

*1 Sell-in number

Year 2013 corporate PR overrides year 2009 corporate PR.

You

So let's just sum up.

You spout inane garbage about console sales numbers but you:

* Have no clue about something as fundamental and well known as Sony and Nintendo switching to sold to customer numbers in their financial reports back in 2006

* You clearly have never once bothered to look at the Sony financial reports because if you had you would have known that every single years numbers have the very same note from the 2009 pdf

* Can not grasp the simple fact that all of Sony's official corporate finance numbers use sold to customer numbers and that Sony sometimes puts out an interim shipment number in some press release or public statement has nothing do with that very simple fact

IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED

We're done here. You're a waste of time responding to.

Hardware performance and reasonable low price is important for game consoles. 3DO already shown high cost and high hardware performance doesn't lead to good sale results.

PC also the same install base vs hardware performance vs cost issues.

Your argument with "Power mean shit to win a generation is already proven" omitted the higher cost factor for the original Xbox.

MS has a better sales record for Xbox 360 when compared to the original Xbox.

The facts, both XBO and Xbox 360 are selling better than the original Xbox.

In terms of BOM cost,

PS4 Pro APU size = 321 mm^2

Scorpio APU size = 362 mm^2

Scorpio APU has 12 percent higher cost for BOM when compared to PS4 Pro.

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Against your "You can't be this hypocrite and dishonest" bullshit.

The link http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/press-release/playstation-3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide.html

Tokyo, November 6, 2013– Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today announced that cumulative sales of the PlayStation®3 (PS3®) computer entertainment system has reached a milestone of 80 million units*1 worldwide as of November 2, 2013. Now in its seventh year, the PS3 system has demonstrated continued growth and momentum.

1. The difference between Nov 2 and Nov 6 is 4 days LOL.

2. "80 million units*1 worldwide as of November 2, 2013"

3. Your IGN link's 80 million Xbox 360 numbers is dated October 17th, 2013 and while my 84 million number and date is different.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-399-xbox-one-out-now-xbox-360-sales-rise-to-84-million/1100-6420231/

Publish date: June 9, 2014

For http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/press-release/playstation-3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide.html

For Sony's year 2013 press release, the number 80 million is specfically stated "Sell-in number".

http://www.rachellegardner.com/sell-in-sell-through-earn-out/

SELL IN: This is the number of copies ordered by retailers (or any other entity) prior to publication of the book

I told you facts... all you have done is try to personally bash and pretend that you have a clue.

And yeah...

http://steamcommunity.com/id/maikaru/

GOW 2 on my component leads.

When people go back to play 6th gen games, they either emulate or they will choose the best port of whatever game it is, the XBOX smashed the PS2 into oblivion with sound and visual quality, this is not a new found thing.

PS2 had numbers, XBOX had quality, this is not saying there is no quality games on PS2, i can't play GT or Tekken on XBOX, especially Tekken 5 being one of my fave 6th gen games.

Not even the best graphical on the OG XBOX.. even this is above and beyond the PS2.

Bad images and even with the bad cam.. XBOX is clearly a lot stronger in visual quality.

This is what people are used to.

Bullshots that are nowhere close to the final presentation of the game.

Silent Hill 2 and 3 would make great arguments, both superior on PS2 hardware, better and more fog, natural shadows and not displayed as volumes.

The PS2 menu is impressive through component though, and here are my PS2 leads.

Also a good read on the PS2 output quality by someone else.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/games-discussion-1000000/ps2-component-cables-look-about-the-same-as-compos-29015442/

"No no no your all missing the point! the ps2 looks ugly through component not because of analog signal noise! but because the few ps2 games that support progressive scan will reveal what most people have known all along about the ps2.

That it has has ugly texture mapping i.e. 4mb vid ram is not enough, no pixel shading.. poor anti aliasing on most games, topped off with poor colour bit presicion.. put simplt the ps2 is one ugly graphical mother fudder!"

https://www.avforums.com/threads/ps2-the-component-looks-worse-than-the-rgb.222591/

The only garbage is your post. I quoted a year 2013 corporate PR that specifically stated "Sell-in" while you quoted year 2009 PR.

First of all having multiple platforms doesn't make you a manticore HERE is your arguments what does,owning a PS2,xbox and GC doesn't make you unbiased it makes you a multiple system owners,i know this for FACT.

So yeah you are a lemming who barely arrives here and hides on multiple systems but defend 1,so yeah probably another alt of dynamitecop or other butthurt lemming.

GOW 1 and 2 are 480P game i know i OWNED both games,no i didn't not emulate those i owned a PS2 since day 1 and played probably more than 400 games on it from shitty to great.

The xbox had better sound than the PS2 but smash it is a joke man stop,and visually the best looking xbox games were not twice as great looking as the PS2 ones,MS over sold its spec greatly and while the Xbox was stronger it had certain weakness in its armor as well.

Not to mention most developers where not even interested in pushing games well past PS2 settings,and mostly you ended with multiplatforms that had better textures here and there better AA and performance some times,or like in the case of GTA the xbox version had even more jaggies than the PS2 version,or MGS2 where the use of transparent polygons on the rain scene choke the xbox into slow downs.

I was there i owned both platforms i even use to play Halo CE over tunneling software online routing through my PC.

So nice that you brought Tekken 5 this is something i remember from it back in 2005.

When it comes to image quality and character models, you'd be hard pressed to find a better looking PlayStation 2 game than this. Tekken 5 looks simply astounding--way above and beyond what you would think the PlayStation 2 is capable of. The character models are smooth and lifelike, with skin tones and textures that make them look alive, as opposed to the plastic-looking fighters found in some other games. The backgrounds are widely varied, and some of them are even breathtaking. Again, it's the sort of stuff you'd expect from a high-end Xbox title or a great-looking PC game--not something you'd expect from the PlayStation 2 hardware.

https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/tekken-5-review/1900-6119171/

Funny this own site review claim Tekken 5 was so great looking that it look like a game that belong on xbox or PC,funny thing it was a 480p game as well.

I remember how incredible it look back then.

You should stop your buffoonery lemming the PS2 progressive signal was ok,problem is most moron didn't even know you need to set the game manually to progressive.

By most people you most mean you lemmings,since i owned a PS2 and i know what the system look like most people who played PS2 games did so on PS2 not on a damn PC with an emulator which still today has problems running many games.

So stop acting like if people were using PC bullshots to compare them to xbox games.

By the way the PS2 had the numbers and the games what the xbox had was graphics and it serve it for nothing one of the worse failures in the industry those 4 billions would have send many companies to their grave sega loss less than that and was send out of the console market.

Graphics will not win you a generation and that is well documented.

Link that proves that Sony didn't sold a single PS3 since November 2 2013 or your full of shit as always.

You wanted to compare last known numbers for both ignoring that while the 360 keep selling the PS3 keep also selling even more,by your pathetic argument i have to say that the xbox one has 10 million units as no OFFICIAL NUMBERS FROM MS exist after the 10 million mark,so after the November 2014 MS stopped selling xbox one because they stop revealing numbers now this is your argument lets see how you try to spin it now.

More cannon fodder from your keyboard, you talk more poop than Donald.

Well it wasn't me the fool who claim the PS2 could not 480p,next time educate your self better kid.

If you had seen the XBOX component vs the PS2.. you would say the same thing, but i know reality is a problem for you.

Even better when a game in 576i looks better than it does in 480P... PS2 is just LOL.

So you loss the argument once again,and you change it to something no one is arguing..

Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

Who is arguing about the xbox cost? The argument was 80 millions which you try to imply the PS3 didn't pass.

The higher cost factor of the xbox mean shit to my argument about ""Power mean shit to win a generation is proven"" because the xbox didn't loss the generation because it was to expensive to make since MS ate that cost the xbox was twice as power as the PS2 had twice as much ram and HDD and cost the same as a PS2,and still loss badly,that has nothing to do with the cost incurred by MS making it,stop changing the argument to try to win something that no one was arguing joke of a poster.

Yes it has which again mean shit since i never argue that the xbox 360 didn't sold better than the xbox that wasn't the argument the argument is both arrived at 80 millions weeks from each other while the PS3 continue to outsell the xbox 360 in 2013,2014,2015 and 2016 so it surpass it period.

No one is arguing BOM you dishonest fanboy,you are a joke you loss the argument and bring things no one is arguing ...

1-Your ass got owned the xbox 360 arrived at 80 million in October 2013.

2-Sony arrived at 80 million in November 2 so weeks from each other.

If the xbox 360 hit 84 millions SHIPPED on june 2014 and the PS3 is outselling it every month word wide how much units do you think the PS3 most had on June 2014 as well?

Because what you are doing like a dishonest fanboy is trying to argue that sony sold 80 million and MS sold 84,this is not true MS 84 million came in June which mean you are a dishonest fanboy,instead of comparing both machines hitting 80 million which happen almost at the same time,you want to argue a number given by MS latter on which was shipments as the xbox 360 did not sell freaking 4 million units from October to June in fact the xbox 360 sales stalled after the XBO arrived on that 2013 holiday,what MS did was ship a huge numbers of units and account xbox 360 and xbox one units together to make seen the sales bigger than they were,in fact XBO shipments suffer because MS over stuffed the retail chain and they were force to join 360 and xbox one shipments,and MS shipped a huge number of XB360 on the first 2 quarters of 2014.

The data is there.

So once again

LINK to where it is confirmed that Sony didn't sell a single PS3 since November 2013.

Ok lets start first with the obvious.

You are not a manticore you are another alt lemming account,no self respected manticore would put so much bullshit and damage control in favor of the xbox.

1-The lemmings here were the graphics whores for 2 generations in a row,and yes people didn't care 2 shits about the xbox having more power than the PS2,the gap in games was so abysmal it wasn't even funny to compare both consoles.

2-TLOU you mean that incredible looking game that Scored 95% in Meta and set records on awards received?

3-No self respected manticore would call a 6TF machine a powerhouse,the damn $199 RX480 is 5.8TF OC pass 6TF actually,we have 12TF GPU in this industry so powerhouse scorpio would be for console only owners or lemmings.

4-The xbox was a total failure a machine twice as powerful as the PS2 and got its ass kick so hard it wasn't even funny,the PS1 beat the N64 like 3 to 1,the PS2 beat the xbox by 6 to 1.So it is a success only among the most blind and biased MS of MS fans it was a 4 billion + disaster.

By the way the xbox 360 came in 2005 not 2006.lol

The only reason MS capitalized on the PS3 was the $600 price and the 1 year head start they had,and even so the PS3 catch the 360 and pass it,not to mention the wii beat both without even trying with 2001 graphics.

5-Yep is call KARMA for all the shit and thread about the xbox 360 and xbox having superior versions,this gen as soon as the xbox one started to get kick all of the sudden graphics didn't matter any more,and no one could tell the difference between 1080 and 720p,bot some how on the 360 generation they could saw a difference between 640p and 720p.

You lemmings got what you deserve,the fun part is that while you try to defend and hype scorpio the xbox one continue to get its ass kick,you know what scorpio is not here the xbox one is and is getting owned every day,is impossible to soil the PS4 without doing so first with the xbox that always would be behind.

6-When the DC hit no other platform was as powerful,the PS2 came almost 2 years latter,so the DC did had the games and the graphics,the PS2 simple had more games on the making than the DC and was quickly over power.

That is odd my PS2 had optical out and the sound was quite nice thanks to its DVD format.

Who in hell told you the PS2 could not do 480p? Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

Many games on PS2 are 480p including GT4,GOW 1 and 2,Tekken 4 and 5,Jack 2,3,ratchet and many others..

The PS2 had like 3 or 4 games that were 1080i man most where 480,and many 480p.

The PS2 mocked the dreamcas to hell and beyond,the only time the DC keep up was when the PS2 launched after developer got a hold of the EE and GS it wasn't even close.

So yeah go elsewhere and pretend you are a manticore dude.

Xbox need more games. Cod won't cut it anymore especially when it selling more on another platform.

Have you been to gamefaq? I know that's a small sample group in the grand scheme of things, but they overwhelmingly reject those kinds of games in the strongest way possible. Add that with the fact that JRPGs and most non-target audience games sell poorly on the console, and it seems like putting P5 on XB1 would be a waste of resources.

I wonder if his well publicized trip to Japan will yield any tangible results?

I've said this before and I'll say it again, if Scorpio is just a native 4K Xbox One, it won't dethrone the PS4.

I won't go into that much detail but things like the size of the user base, price, exclusives, exclusive / timed-exclusive third party DLC etc. all still very much favor the PS4 and Sony. Scorpio is going to have to build a compelling value proposition.

@ronvalencia:

That does nothing to disprove what I said. If the vision of the Scorpio is just a 4K Xbox One (whether or not graphical fidelity increases), it won't be enough to dethrone the PS4. There needs to be exclusives, unique gaming experiences etc. Perhaps better graphics could lead to some of those needed improvements but those graphs are meaningless without context and an argument to go with them.

@ronvalencia: I never said graphics don't matter, I said it wouldn't be enough. The Pro is literally just an upgraded PS4, and everyone including Sony knows that. It works out quite well for everyone either way.

Ex. I reason why I bought a Pro was because I wanted to experience PlayStation exclusives at their best.

The whole point of the Pro is to offer PS4 gamers, who vastly outnumber Xbox One gamers, an upgrade path. Microsoft doing the exact same with Scorpio makes won't be enough if they intend to dethrone the PS4.