THIRD CONSOLE CURSE: Why the next Xbox will fail for sure!!!

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I wouldn't consider the PS3 a failure. :?Demonjoe93

They're referring to it as a financial failure. Even though the PS3 has many great games on it, it isn't selling very well.

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I wouldn't consider the PS3 a failure. :?Heil68

They're referring to it as a financial failure. Even though the PS3 has many great games on it, it isn't selling very well.

Because of all the money Sony has lost from the PS3.

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I wouldn't consider the PS3 a failure. :?Heil68

They're referring to it as a financial failure. Even though the PS3 has many great games on it, it isn't selling very well.

Thanks to a bunch of Sony executive missteps, PS3 severely damaged the PlayStation brand. Sure they were able to salvage it...but at what cost?

The PlayStation is no longer an unstoppable behemoth. People won't just immediately buy the console because it has the name PlayStation on it.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I wouldn't consider the PS3 a failure. :?

TheMoreYouOwn

The matter of fact is Microsoft have made FAR more money than Sony this generation since Sony have LOST money with the PS3, it is a huge failure. Also, I will bet my house that Microsoft will release their next console about a year after Nintendo's and because of that it will be similar spec-wise. This could result in a repeat of 360/PS3 with Cafe being the 360 of the next gen, but will obviously be aimed at casuals too. If Sony don't act fast then the PS4 will fail harder than the PS3.7suarez7

[QUOTE="7suarez7"]The matter of fact is Microsoft have made FAR more money than Sony this generation since Sony have LOST money with the PS3, it is a huge failure. Also, I will bet my house that Microsoft will release their next console about a year after Nintendo's and because of that it will be similar spec-wise. This could result in a repeat of 360/PS3 with Cafe being the 360 of the next gen, but will obviously be aimed at casuals too. If Sony don't act fast then the PS4 will fail harder than the PS3.tormentos

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] But, the 3DS isn't Nintendo's third handheld. :|peterw007

But it's in the third dimension :o

Reality is in the third dimension as well. Does that mean reality is destined to fail as well? :o

It already has :o

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I wouldn't consider the PS3 a failure. :?Heil68

They're referring to it as a financial failure. Even though the PS3 has many great games on it, it isn't selling very well.

[QUOTE="7suarez7"]The matter of fact is Microsoft have made FAR more money than Sony this generation since Sony have LOST money with the PS3, it is a huge failure. Also, I will bet my house that Microsoft will release their next console about a year after Nintendo's and because of that it will be similar spec-wise. This could result in a repeat of 360/PS3 with Cafe being the 360 of the next gen, but will obviously be aimed at casuals too. If Sony don't act fast then the PS4 will fail harder than the PS3.tormentos

Char, don't make me mad. :PThough you make an interesting point, it's not really so black and white. The Jaguar and Saturn were failures, but the PS3 and N64 are very popular to this day, though the former is more *commercially* successful than the other. The PS3 has done quite well in the later years, I don't see how it's a failure. However, here's my counter-argument: the DS or the GBA. I sayor because the Virtual Boy may be taken into the equation. Both were massively successful and either the second/third or third/fourth of their kind. The DS has broken entire records even. At this point in the video game medium, I don't think failures will be even remotely possible. The competition is too hard for anything like that to occur. So even though I'm no MS fan, I predict only good tidings for their next console.

calvinsora

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="7suarez7"]The matter of fact is Microsoft have made FAR more money than Sony this generation since Sony have LOST money with the PS3, it is a huge failure. Also, I will bet my house that Microsoft will release their next console about a year after Nintendo's and because of that it will be similar spec-wise. This could result in a repeat of 360/PS3 with Cafe being the 360 of the next gen, but will obviously be aimed at casuals too. If Sony don't act fast then the PS4 will fail harder than the PS3.DroidPhysX

This is a load of BS, MS are too big, the amount of capitalat thier disposal is too vast.

Literally too big to fail, they can hurt the competition and they know it, they have a strategy, its a crappy one, but luckiliy for them thier fanbase eats it up.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="7suarez7"]The matter of fact is Microsoft have made FAR more money than Sony this generation since Sony have LOST money with the PS3, it is a huge failure. Also, I will bet my house that Microsoft will release their next console about a year after Nintendo's and because of that it will be similar spec-wise. This could result in a repeat of 360/PS3 with Cafe being the 360 of the next gen, but will obviously be aimed at casuals too. If Sony don't act fast then the PS4 will fail harder than the PS3.delta3074

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="7suarez7"]The matter of fact is Microsoft have made FAR more money than Sony this generation since Sony have LOST money with the PS3, it is a huge failure. Also, I will bet my house that Microsoft will release their next console about a year after Nintendo's and because of that it will be similar spec-wise. This could result in a repeat of 360/PS3 with Cafe being the 360 of the next gen, but will obviously be aimed at casuals too. If Sony don't act fast then the PS4 will fail harder than the PS3.delta3074

I'm not sure about 3 billion, but here it states they lost $1.26 billion launching the 360.

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[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Char, don't make me mad. :PThough you make an interesting point, it's not really so black and white. The Jaguar and Saturn were failures, but the PS3 and N64 are very popular to this day, though the former is more *commercially* successful than the other. The PS3 has done quite well in the later years, I don't see how it's a failure. However, here's my counter-argument: the DS or the GBA. I sayor because the Virtual Boy may be taken into the equation. Both were massively successful and either the second/third or third/fourth of their kind. The DS has broken entire records even. At this point in the video game medium, I don't think failures will be even remotely possible. The competition is too hard for anything like that to occur. So even though I'm no MS fan, I predict only good tidings for their next console.

charizard1605

And I'm not actually mad :P I only get mad when people talk about "objectivity" in game appreciation or say that SMG2 sucks.

Hmm,the PC has two AAAE so far,not one.Arach666

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Char, don't make me mad. :PThough you make an interesting point, it's not really so black and white. The Jaguar and Saturn were failures, but the PS3 and N64 are very popular to this day, though the former is more *commercially* successful than the other. The PS3 has done quite well in the later years, I don't see how it's a failure. However, here's my counter-argument: the DS or the GBA. I sayor because the Virtual Boy may be taken into the equation. Both were massively successful and either the second/third or third/fourth of their kind. The DS has broken entire records even. At this point in the video game medium, I don't think failures will be even remotely possible. The competition is too hard for anything like that to occur. So even though I'm no MS fan, I predict only good tidings for their next console.

calvinsora

And I'm not actually mad :P I only get mad when people talk about "objectivity" in game appreciation or say that SMG2 sucks.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Hmm,the PC has two AAAE so far,not one.Heil68

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Oh no, I understand it all quite well, I just think it's fun to point out these similarities. As a side note, I hope you know that shareholders kind of gave Microsoft an ultimatum with the Kinect. If it had failed, they would have been forced to withdraw from the consoles business.the1stmoonfly

Here you go:

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

c49thaine

Or Microsoft's incompetance with hardware. Let's just hope the 720 doesn't have years of RROD before finally resolving the issue.

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

c49thaine

[QUOTE="c49thaine"]

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

tormentos

Not really.

M$ has more than enough fuel to keep in going.

1. XBL = practically become the "standard" for console online gaming.
2. 3rd party support is titanium strong on the platform.
3. Key franchises and exclusives are locked on the platform
4. M$ is still a powerful brand as Nintendo and Sony.
5. MS consoles and PC architecture have been typically similar (Direct X), making transitions easier. Next MS platform will NOT be any different. This makes it easier for 3rd party developers.

VERTIGO47

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="c49thaine"]

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

DroidPhysX

Jelly of PS3 library?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="tormentos"] What are you talking about some of the best games this gen are made on the PS3. Blu-Ray,free online game,home,best hardware and some of the best game this gen,i would not call that a dud. Yeah the PS3 hold back 360 multiplatform games,that is why LA Noire runs better on PS3,and why the PS3 has the best looking games.TheMoreYouOwn

Jelly of PS3 library?

Really? Their console curse was the first Xbox console, I believe.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

How can something be both a success and a dismal failure? That makes no goddamned sense whatsoever.

charizard1605

Unless you know the ins and outs of Sony's finances, I'd says that's quite a wild guess on your part.

Lots of people throw around nonsense about how profitable each company is, but most of them are just repeating the same misinformation they heard from someone esle.

For a company, success is profitibilty. For a gamer, success is great games and great systems to run them on. All three systems this gen have been successful at some point, some more than, or more often than, others.

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]Well, Sony has come out the big winner this gen, so perhaps they broke the curse?charizard1605

That's a pretty warped comparrison:lol:

PS2 took over 10 years to hit 150 million which you are comparing to PS3 being out for 4.5 years at 50 million, the PS3 is far from done as far as sales go.

Also most of those 150 million were sold AFTER PS2 dropped to $199 while the PS3 is still at $299. You can bet PS3 sales will go way up whenever they hit the $199 mark.

I can almost guarantee that PS3 will hit at least 100 million before it is discontinued. And as it has the most future proof tech out of the current 3 consoles, it will most likely be the longest on the market.

And PS3 is just barely behind 360 in total sales so how is that a "distant thrid place"?:roll:

[QUOTE="c49thaine"]

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

TheMoreYouOwn

Or Microsoft's incompetance with hardware. Let's just hope the 720 doesn't have years of RROD before finally resolving the issue.

[QUOTE="c49thaine"]

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

TheMoreYouOwn

Or Microsoft's incompetance with hardware. Let's just hope the 720 doesn't have years of RROD before finally resolving the issue.

You honestly think they haven't learned their lesson from that? I doubt that something like RROD will be occurring for next gen.

PS2 took over 10 years to hit 150 million which you are comparing to PS3 being out for 4.5 years at 50 million, the PS3 is far from done as far as sales go.

Also most of those 150 million were sold AFTER PS2 dropped to $199 while the PS3 is still at $299. You can bet PS3 sales will go way up whenever they hit the $199 mark.

I can almost guarantee that PS3 will hit at least 100 million before it is discontinued. And as it has the most future proof tech out of the current 3 consoles, it will most likely be the longest on the market.

And PS3 is just barely behind 360 in total sales so how is that a "distant thrid place"?:roll:mztazmz

Please, the PS3 will not reach 100 million. The PS brand isn't really as huge like it used to be. If it took Sony 4 & a half years just to even reach 50 million owners, then imagine how long it'll take to reach 100 million? If anything, the Wii might reach that number before Sony does. Also, Sony had to constantly play catch up to the 360 in sales by doing constant price drops, & SKU's.

Plus Sony didn't have any problems reaching 50 million PS1 & PS2 owners in less than 4 & a half years, & neither did Nintendo with the Wii.

[QUOTE="c49thaine"]

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

tormentos

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

How can something be both a success and a dismal failure? That makes no sense whatsoever.

charizard1605

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="c49thaine"]

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

7suarez7

How about we see a link for that?

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

How can something be both a success and a dismal failure? That makes no sense whatsoever.

monson21502

[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="tormentos"] What are you talking about some of the best games this gen are made on the PS3. Blu-Ray,free online game,home,best hardware and some of the best game this gen,i would not call that a dud. Yeah the PS3 hold back 360 multiplatform games,that is why LA Noire runs better on PS3,and why the PS3 has the best looking games.Demonjoe93

How about we see a link for that?

I cba to research, but did you account the fact that all of the companies had downward slopes (long) before their 3rd failed console?

Except for Sony, which happend suddenly, but that can easily be explained from decision factors such as price.

MS will break this trend I can assure you of that, their numbers are going nowhere but up , and they will not make the same mistake Sony did.

They're not afraid of going outside the box, Kinect was a drastic change, while Move is more like the hardcore version of Wii i.e. played it safe, it's exactly what you'd expect from Sony.

I think that reflects how the companies are. Sony's decisions are based on econimists who don't have understanding of gaming so they are more traditional. MS has what it takes to make the 3rd console be successful.

Also, there is no such thing as brand recognition as proven this gen, in both ways. Sony had it all and lost, Nintendo had nothing and won.

Nothing points towards MS' 3rd console being a failiure, well except for the curse :D

[QUOTE="monson21502"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] For gamers, it's a success because it has great games. For Sony, it lost them pretty much everything, so it's a failure. Make sense?7suarez7

Because no one bought their PS3 for the games right?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="c49thaine"]

People should be more worried about Sony's incompetance at this point considering they released a dud this generation while 360 was much more than Xbox fans, or gamersand the industry in general, expected of it.

I can only imagine what Sony could do to their hardware next time to really screw the entire generation up for all consoles again. I just hope PS4 doesn't hold back the next Xbox like the PS3 held back 360 in multiplatform development this time. We could have had some really good games this gen if Sony hadn't ****** it up for all of us.

7suarez7

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Errr how is the 360 in a "market leading position for five full years now"charizard1605

how are they not in the same market?