THIRD CONSOLE CURSE: Why the next Xbox will fail for sure!!!

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#251 SovietsUnited
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*sees profile*

*looks at games*

Nintendo Fanboy.

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#254 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

*sees profile*

*looks at games*

Nintendo Fanboy.

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SovietsUnited

How is he being a fanboy here? :?

Oh look, another one. :)

More baseless accusations :o
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#255 SovietsUnited
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Damn :osurrounded by them... Nice sig and avy btw.


1. Foolish game prophecies.

2. Xbox will fail because other 3 system did

3.the PS3 is a great success, but for Sony, it is nothing short of a dismal failure.

How did Sony fail, if they made more than they lost ?

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#256 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Damn :osurrounded by them... Nice sig and avy btw.


1. Foolish game prophecies.

2. Xbox will fail because other 3 system did

3.the PS3 is a great success, but for Sony, it is nothing short of a dismal failure.

How did Sony fail, if they made more than they lost ?

SovietsUnited

No, these aren't prophecies, this is just me pointing out an interesting pattern to hardware releases. Nice to see you so much on the defensive though :)

As for how it is a failure for Sony, well, I don't know, how about deterioration of the Playstation brand, loss of billions of dollars, and a loss of the market commanding market share that they had?

Surely you understand that revenue *isn't* all that matters, especially in the long term? For instance, have you ever heard of loss leading? It is a strategy that both Sony and Microsoft have used- in Microsoft's case, they knew that the first Xbox would fail, but they still released it to build the brand, hoping to capitalize on the brand with the Xbox successor, which is basically what they did. Implying that brand matters a lot. This generation has not been kind to the Playstation brand, that much is for sure.

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#257 Miroku32
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I have noticed that too. Third consoles are usually the ones when the company takes a hard blow. For Ninty, it had the lead market with the NES and SNES and when the 64 hit they lost the first position. Sony was the same, PS1 and PS2 were monsters but when PS3 hit they got a heavy blow.

Now, it seems that this curse happens because the company does a strange move. With the 64 the cartridge were quite old and expensive, leading developers to develop in the PS1 because of the CD. PS3 failure at beginning was of the expensive price leading consumers to buy a 360 instead of an expensive system with few games. Dunno about other consoles (Sega, Atari), need to investigate more.

Let's see how Microsoft handles it. As long as they don't do any foolish decision that alienates their fanbase and consumers I don't think that curse will happen.

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#258 tormentos
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Final Fantasy VII was released in January of 1997. Allow me to break this down and end this "debate".

Sales of the Playstation From Launch to December 28, 1996 -

4,558,389

Sales of the Playstation from December 29, 1996 to December 27, 1997 - 5,057,693

Source: Vgchartz

So, you have an install base that more than doubles in that year, and you don't want to assess that as the turning point? You don't want to give credit to a game that sold, within days, 2.3 million copies - a number that would represent, easily, half of the install base at the time? You don't want to give credit to a game that sold, to be fair, 6 million copies by the end of 1997, which would be over half of the install base of the console worldwide?

Right...But that is not good enough - let's hammer the point home further. You also stated that the Playstation was well ahead of the Saturn, did you not?

Sales of the Sega Saturn from Launch to December 28, 1996 -4,326,256 (which is to say that the Playstation was ahead for sure, but certainly not by any significant margin. For all intents and purposes they had equal market share at this point)

Sales of the Sega Saturn from December 29, 1996 to December 27, 1997 -907,200

Source: Vgchartz

Oh... SNES sales from the Playstation launch to December 28, 1996 - 4,067,022 (which is to say that the Playstation was not really out pacing the prior generation's hardware by much, so how much of a "success" was the first 15 months?)

The year after -301,822

Source, again: Vgchartz

There you have it. Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Tekken were out and they had no effect on the market presence of Sony, which was running neck and neck with the SNES and Saturn. It was not until 1997, as just shown in the cold hard numbers, that the Playstation pulled away and established itself as the market leader (PS, the N64 sold just under 3 million units from launch to the end of 1997).Final Fantasy VII was THE game that changed this.One last number - Q1 1997 Playstation sales:1,758,094Compare and contrast that number to what the Playstation sold in total prior.

Quid Est Demonstratum

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lol VGchartz... Did you read my link and what i quote.? By the end of 1996 the PS1 had 7 million units sold not 4.5 million like VGchartz claim,Tomb Raider sold 7 million copies and release before FF7 not matter what you claim it is a FACT no my opinion. Now before i go any further VGChartz was created in 2005 2005 dude,the Link i posted from IGN has been up since 1998,not even the xbox and PS2 existed when that article was made,it was made with fresh data,and as you can read on my link Sega quoted misleading numbers all the time in order to make see like the Saturn was doing good it wasn't the PS outsold it quite fast in Japan,and in US even that the Saturn release on May 1995,by December the PS was already in the lead in US the Saturn in US sold like garbage,not only was more expensive it games also were more expensive,it wasn't until they saw the gap disappear that they dropped the price. The Link i gave you completely destroy VGchartz fake numbers,after all VGchartz started on 2005 IGN made that article on 1998. Guinness World Records awarded Tekken with multiple records in the Guinness World Records: Gamer's Edition 2008. These include, "First PlayStation Game to Sell Over One Million Units" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekken_%28video_game%29#Reception Tomb Raider 1996 7 million copies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#PlayStation Resident Evil sold 2,750,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Evil_%28video_game%29#Reception Crash Bandicoot sold over 6.8 million and was also release on 1996 it was basically the Mario of the PS by that time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_Bandicoot_%28video_game%29#Reception There are many more games like those,unlike what you claim the PS had several hit and million sellers,in fact some of the games you say they did not help sony all were million Seller,been the biggest one Tomb Raider.
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#259 deactivated-66e3137ab3ad5
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Damn :osurrounded by them... Nice sig and avy btw.


1. Foolish game prophecies.

2. Xbox will fail because other 3 system did

3.the PS3 is a great success, but for Sony, it is nothing short of a dismal failure.

How did Sony fail, if they made more than they lost ?

SovietsUnited

Ironic, really, you calling other people fanboys. :)

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#260 SovietsUnited
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[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

Damn :osurrounded by them... Nice sig and avy btw.


1. Foolish game prophecies.

2. Xbox will fail because other 3 system did

3.the PS3 is a great success, but for Sony, it is nothing short of a dismal failure.

How did Sony fail, if they made more than they lost ?

khoofia_pika

Ironic, really, you calling other people fanboys. :)

What did I favor in my post ? :S Im just bringing out the facts

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#261 Wings_008
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i think that MS have a lot of experience is the gaming industry, even before making the first Xbox, also i think maybe they will learn from the lesson of others, so i will stay cautiously optimistic for now
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#262 SpyhunterReborn
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You snipe at my use of VCchartz, and then cite Wiki? Really? Anyway, the problem here is that you are not talking from first hand accounts. You are talking in terms of wikipedia. Try picking up "The History of Video Games" or books like it, and you may get a little education. The claim that ANY Playstation title sold HUGE prior to Final Fantasy VII is as mythical as a unicorn. That is not to say that Tomb Raider didn't sell well, but the idea that a game that was widely available on EVERY format in 1996 was moving Playstation units specifically is laughable, and for those of us that were there that is as clear as day. Further, you continue to talk about "evergreen" titles as if they sold to tremendous numbers early on - they didn't. Crash and Tomb Raider both saw sales increase OVER TIME, particularly when the Playstation went down in price, and the two games in question were $19.99 budget titles - again, Final Fantasy VII sold 2.3 million copies in the first week. So keep your weaksauce arguments. I am done with this exercise in history revision - you can continue that with Sarah Palin. You are citing "fluff" pieces as history - you really don't know what you are talking about. It is that simple.
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#263 Dark_man123
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Microsoft already had their console cursed, its called the original xbox. 4 billion dollar loss.

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#264 Mawy_Golomb
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Well, now that we know that the 360's exclusive lineup will once again not be as big as the PS3's, I really think that the 360 will struggle, in terms of catering to the core gamers. Sure, the Kinect might last for another year or so, but its success will serverely drop after that, much like what happened with the Wii. You can't expect to do well with a console that caters to a different crowd, while abandoning the original owners. In fact, I believe that the Kinect will be nowhere near as successful as the Wii. Unlike the Wii, the 360 has been so loyal to its core gamers for the past 6 years (since the console's release), so how could this new direction not hurt Microsoft in a big way?

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#265 deactivated-66e3137ab3ad5
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[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"]

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

Damn :osurrounded by them... Nice sig and avy btw.


1. Foolish game prophecies.

2. Xbox will fail because other 3 system did

3.the PS3 is a great success, but for Sony, it is nothing short of a dismal failure.

How did Sony fail, if they made more than they lost ?

SovietsUnited

Ironic, really, you calling other people fanboys. :)

What did I favor in my post ? :S Im just bringing out the facts

I'm just gonna talk to you the way you talk to others:

Oh, fanboys, never stop arguing :roll:

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#266 John_Read
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and nintendo lost 2 gen back to back

THIRD CONSOLE CURSE ofcourse :P

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#267 wooooode
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M$ has not had a truely great gen yet. They have not matched any of your examples it could be their gen for the taking if they are smart.
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#268 LustForSoul
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Don't compare the xbox with a failure like playstation.
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#269 nashismo
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Xbox One here we go! hahaha It is true mate!
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#270 heeweesRus
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Looks like Chaz's prediction came to fruition :o

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#271 Heil68
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Necro thread! Run away!
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#272 Demonjoe93
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Damn, I didn't notice how old this thread was until Heli pointed it out. :lol:

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#273 Capitan_Kid
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The third console curse is superstitious bull shit that only fools would believe. PS3 doesn't suck. Nintendo 64 didnt suck.
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#274 Capitan_Kid
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The third console curse is superstitious bull shit that only fools would believe. PS3 doesn't suck. Nintendo 64 didnt suck.
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#275 I_can_haz
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:shock: Chaz is a prophet!
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#276 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Well now, this is hilarious...
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#277 deactivated-5d7fb49ded561
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It has nothing to do with being a console curse, Xbox is just pure garbage, always has been.

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Let the dead rest in peace.