THIRD CONSOLE CURSE: Why the next Xbox will fail for sure!!!

I believe the NeXtBOX will be number one in the rule with Kinect, Windows 8 compatibility and a richer experience with XBOX Live, followed by Nintendo and then Sony.:P

I have a feeling that both Nintendo and Microsoft will be very close with the PS4 being not too far behind, therefore a close race.:)

[QUOTE="omho88"]

All I see is speculations, however, MS is losing the lead day after day, I won't be surprised if it finished in the last spot the next generation, may be even this one .... MS may lose the lead not becuase of their 3rd console but coz they dun have the first party support ..... buying exclusives may put them in the lead for very short time, but with Sony now learning from the PS3, the PS4 will be, as I believe, a very powerful competitor.

garland51

If anything, the real world is paying a lot more attention to 3rd party multiplats than with 1st or 2nd party exclusives.

I pay more attention to the exclusives ..... multiplat are more so may be that's why you have this impression ... you can't just nullify their effect coz MS doesn't have them, look at the surges in sales whenever a big exclusive is released.

[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"]

The N64 was a failure by any metric. The proof of this was the performance woes of the Gamecube after the fact.

SpyhunterReborn

It alienated the third party developers to the point that they stopped developing for Nintendo almost entirely during that generation as well as the following generation.

It lost Nintendo its market presence in the home console market to the point that the Gamecube, despite the high level of gaming available for it, was functionally ignored.

Explain how it was a success... It made Nintendo money? How much money is worth losing what I have stated?

I would be willing to argue the success of the Playstation was a near direct result of how much of a disaster the N64 was. That is a success?

I believe the NeXtBOX will be number one in the rule with Kinect, Windows 8 compatibility and a richer experience with XBOX Live, followed by Nintendo and then Sony.:P

I have a feeling that both Nintendo and Microsoft will be very close with the PS4 being not too far behind, therefore a close race.:)

sanim02

That would totally suck, what a loss of development time .... hopefully dev. will still make hardcore games.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

I believe the NeXtBOX will be number one in the rule with Kinect, Windows 8 compatibility and a richer experience with XBOX Live, followed by Nintendo and then Sony.:P

I have a feeling that both Nintendo and Microsoft will be very close with the PS4 being not too far behind, therefore a close race.:)

omho88

That would totally suck, what a loss of development time .... hopefully dev. will still make hardcore games.

I'm only saying what I'm seeing bruv. If they make Kinect even more accurate and it comes with the neXtBOX, why not push it even further for more sales? It'll be like the next Wii.:P Of course with XBOX Live, I'm sure there will be the usual COD and Halo thrown in there.:P

The PS4 will probably push for Sony exclusives and more niche titles, while Nintendo will be Nintendo.:P

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="omho88"]

All I see is speculations, however, MS is losing the lead day after day, I won't be surprised if it finished in the last spot the next generation, may be even this one .... MS may lose the lead not becuase of their 3rd console but coz they dun have the first party support ..... buying exclusives may put them in the lead for very short time, but with Sony now learning from the PS3, the PS4 will be, as I believe, a very powerful competitor.

omho88

If anything, the real world is paying a lot more attention to 3rd party multiplats than with 1st or 2nd party exclusives.

I pay more attention to the exclusives ..... multiplat are more so may be that's why you have this impression ... you can't just nullify their effect coz MS doesn't have them, look at the surges in sales whenever a big exclusive is released.

Look at sales such as Killzone 3 & Litttle Big Planet 2. Both of them sold a little over a million, but they've pretty much underperformed in comparisons to their predecessors, being Killzone 2 & LBP 1.

PS Move Heroes, MotorStorm: Apolcalypse, Yakuza 4, Hyperdimension: Neptunia, MLB: '11, Socom 4, & Ar tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel: Not a single one of them even cracked a million sold. As a matter of fact, most of those games sold less than half a million.

I pay more attention to the exclusives ..... multiplat are more so may be that's why you have this impression ... you can't just nullify their effect coz MS doesn't have them, look at the surges in sales whenever a big exclusive is released.

omho88

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="omho88"]

All I see is speculations, however, MS is losing the lead day after day, I won't be surprised if it finished in the last spot the next generation, may be even this one .... MS may lose the lead not becuase of their 3rd console but coz they dun have the first party support ..... buying exclusives may put them in the lead for very short time, but with Sony now learning from the PS3, the PS4 will be, as I believe, a very powerful competitor.

omho88

Coz it didn't do anything yet? If it really could, it would have done it ..... it has the money, right?

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

If anything, the real world is paying a lot more attention to 3rd party multiplats than with 1st or 2nd party exclusives.

garland51

I pay more attention to the exclusives ..... multiplat are more so may be that's why you have this impression ... you can't just nullify their effect coz MS doesn't have them, look at the surges in sales whenever a big exclusive is released.

Look at sales such as Killzone 3 & Litttle Big Planet 2. Both of them sold a little over a million, but they've pretty much underperformed in comparisons to their predecessors, being Killzone 2 & LBP 1.

PS Move Heroes, MotorStorm: Apolcalypse, Yakuza 4, Hyperdimension: Neptunia, MLB: '11, Socom 4, & Ar tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel: Not a single one of them even cracked a million sold. As a matter of fact, most of those games sold less than half a million.

Can you provide a source for the sales?

And not every single exclusive will push the system .... I thought you already knew that, ads and popularity also play a role, GOW3, U2, GT5, MGS4 pushed some systems and sold extremely wel, coz they got ads and they are already know brands for the PS3, just like Halo and gears for the X360.

Unless M$ learns what a 1st party is and/or true exclusives...they will fail next gen without a doubt.

Unless M$ learns what a 1st party is and/or true exclusives...they will fail next gen without a doubt.

flexin007

[QUOTE="omho88"]

I pay more attention to the exclusives ..... multiplat are more so may be that's why you have this impression ... you can't just nullify their effect coz MS doesn't have them, look at the surges in sales whenever a big exclusive is released.

JuarN18

Dude, why did you pick me to stop on my post. garland generalized it first so I wanted to prove him wrong by saying, I pay more attention to exclusives to prove his generalization wrong.

The X360 outsold the PS3 in US .... great coz US=the whole world !!!

@omho88:

NPD & Media Create. Look them up.

[QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"]

[QUOTE="7suarez7"] No it wasn't. The PS1 was a HUGE success, that doesn't necessarily mean the N64 was a failure. It only sold 16m less than the successful SNES.7suarez7

It alienated the third party developers to the point that they stopped developing for Nintendo almost entirely during that generation as well as the following generation.

It lost Nintendo its market presence in the home console market to the point that the Gamecube, despite the high level of gaming available for it, was functionally ignored.

Explain how it was a success... It made Nintendo money? How much money is worth losing what I have stated?

I would be willing to argue the success of the Playstation was a near direct result of how much of a disaster the N64 was. That is a success?

The N64 was the personification of that treatment.

Further, the Playstation only started to sell well when companies like Square released games like Final Fnatasy VII - so you are placing the order of events backwards.

Read up on your gaming history, your opinion is formed out of false pretenses and misconceptions.

Dude, why did you pick me to stop on my post. garland generalized it first so I wanted to prove him wrong by saying, I pay more attention to exclusives to prove his generalization wrong.

The X360 outsold the PS3 in US .... great coz US=the whole world !!!

omho88

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] With that logic..............who is to say that MS wont start buying devs. If Sony can learn from their current console, why cant MS? You think MS are that dumb to do the same thing next gen? Come on dudenavyguy21

Coz it didn't do anything yet? If it really could, it would have done it ..... it has the money, right?

The thing about being rational, you wanna me to believe that MS who paid 50 million or so to just get 2 DLC for GTA4 can't afford to buy some quality studios !!!!! anyway I dun believe that any studio would like to be under MS control.

@omho88:

NPD & Media Create. Look them up.

garland51

Dude you claimed something, bring the proof.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

@omho88:

NPD & Media Create. Look them up.

omho88

Dude you claimed something, bring the proof.

I'm not going back through the weeks &/or months just to prove that to you. You're very capable of looking them up yourself. Heck, look at Vgchartz even.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

Dude, why did you pick me to stop on my post. garland generalized it first so I wanted to prove him wrong by saying, I pay more attention to exclusives to prove his generalization wrong.

The X360 outsold the PS3 in US .... great coz US=the whole world !!!

JuarN18

you are effectively ignoring whole continants to prove ur arguement true !!! what's wrong with you, man?

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

@omho88:

NPD & Media Create. Look them up.

garland51

Dude you claimed something, bring the proof.

I'm not going back through the months just to prove that to you. You're very capable of looking them up yourself. Heck, look up Vgchartz even.

No wonder SW reached a new low .... everyone can say anything and get away wz it ....... it's an internet forum after all :P .

The thing about being rational, you wanna me to believe that MS who paid 50 million or so to just get 2 DLC for GTA4 can't afford to buy some quality studios !!!!! anyway I dun believe that any studio would like to be under MS control.

omho88

[QUOTE="omho88"]

The thing about being rational, you wanna me to believe that MS who paid 50 million or so to just get 2 DLC for GTA4 can't afford to buy some quality studios !!!!! anyway I dun believe that any studio would like to be under MS control.

navyguy21

They had the money to give loans for some thing as trivial as DLC .. what difference does this make?

[QUOTE="flexin007"]

Unless M$ learns what a 1st party is and/or true exclusives...they will fail next gen without a doubt.

DroidPhysX

As I pointed out in the other thread (about a 360 price cut hurting Sony), by 2014, the PS3 should sell beyond the Wii and 360's total sales, especially with the Wii's sales dramatically slowing down and the 360 having no killer Kinect titles and not enough exclusives. While the other consoles may already be out, it still means the PS3 will win in terms of sales.

Let me give you an analogy. A war is not won by how many battles are dominated by you, but by who gives up, once and for all. So, while we can argue that this console gen will end after the next one begins, it is more accurate to wait until the very end of each current consoles' sales cease to increase, before we can determine the true winner. With that said, I think that Sony can surprise us and flip the whole console war upside down.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]

Sega didn't have the money to change their fate. MS on the other hand will be able to make enough ads to reach good sales numbers. Just look at the Kinect xD

As I pointed out in the other thread (about a 360 price cut hurting Sony), by 2014, the PS3 should sell beyond the Wii and 360's total sales, especially with the Wii's sales dramatically slowing down and the 360 having no killer Kinect titles and not enough exclusives. While the other consoles may already be out, it still means the PS3 will win in terms of sales.

Mawy_Golomb

[QUOTE="Mawy_Golomb"]

As I pointed out in the other thread (about a 360 price cut hurting Sony), by 2014, the PS3 should sell beyond the Wii and 360's total sales, especially with the Wii's sales dramatically slowing down and the 360 having no killer Kinect titles and not enough exclusives. While the other consoles may already be out, it still means the PS3 will win in terms of sales.

DroidPhysX

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/playstation-3-outsell-xbox-360-wii-2014

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="omho88"]

The thing about being rational, you wanna me to believe that MS who paid 50 million or so to just get 2 DLC for GTA4 can't afford to buy some quality studios !!!!! anyway I dun believe that any studio would like to be under MS control.

omho88

They had the money to give loans for some thing as trivial as DLC .. what difference does this make?

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]The 50 mil was a loan, Rockstar had to pay that money back to MS :|

navyguy21

They had the money to give loans for some thing as trivial as DLC .. what difference does this make?

I dun know about MS, but Sony bought MM recently and now LBP is one of the highest, most sucessful PS3 exclusives .... dun try to convince me that MS doesn't have the money, it's just irrational, as a company, they always seek long term investments and MS is one of the largest companies in the world ..... common sense, use it.

Oh, I'm sorry, this article's probably even more credible, since it's from Gamasutra: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/27563/Analyst_PS3_To_Outsell_Rival_Consoles_Push_127M_Units.phpMawy_Golomb

People still believe that the PS3 will sell over 100 million, even when Nintendo & MS releases their next gen consoles? OK. :lol:

People still believe that the PS3 will sell over 100 million, even when Nintendo & MS releases their next gen consoles? OK. :lol:

garland51

from Wiki " On November 29, 2005, the PlayStation 2 became the fastest game console to reach 100 million units shipped, accomplishing the feat within 5 years and 9 months from its launch. This achievement occurred faster than its predecessor, the PlayStation, which took 9 years and 6 months to reach the same benchmark"

The PS2 is over 150 million now, which means the PS2 sold over 50 million unit even after this generation started !!!

The PS3 is 300$ dude which is still high, the next price cut for the X360 and PS3 will cause sales to surge, this generation is far from over .... I dun think a 100 million is possible but not for the reason you stated.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="omho88"]

They had the money to give loans for some thing as trivial as DLC .. what difference does this make?

omho88

I dun know about MS, but Sony bought MM recently and now LBP is one of the highest, most sucessful PS3 exclusives .... dun try to convince me that MS doesn't have the money, it's just irrational, as a company, they always seek long term investments and MS is one of the largest companies in the world ..... common sense, use it.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

People still believe that the PS3 will sell over 100 million, even when Nintendo & MS releases their next gen consoles? OK. :lol:

omho88

from Wiki " On November 29, 2005, the PlayStation 2 became the fastest game console to reach 100 million units shipped, accomplishing the feat within 5 years and 9 months from its launch. This achievement occurred faster than its predecessor, the PlayStation, which took 9 years and 6 months to reach the same benchmark"

The PS2 is over 150 million now, which means the PS2 sold over 50 million unit even after this generation started !!!

The PS3 is 300$ dude which is still high, the next price cut for the X360 and PS3 will cause sales to surge, this generation is far from over .... I dun think a 100 million is possible but not for the reason you stated.

Dude, the PS brand is losing it's credibility among gamers with the way that Sony's been doing things lately, as well as it's focus. It's not exactly as huge as it was back in the PS1 & the PS2 days. They're not going to reach 100 million, or even close to it. Plus when MS & Nintendo's next gen consoles are out, more people will pay more attention to those than to the PS3.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Quit while you are behind dude. GTA4 cost R* more than 100mil, and the money issues were well documented. MS loaned R* the money........and the DLC was a form of repayment instead of direct cash..........which they did not have. Buying or building studios cost HUNDREDS of millions, not to mention that you would have to wait until current contract agreements expire, and then time to develop new games. Again, lets be rational. Game budgets are tens of millions of dollars, not studios. Loans are paid back in the short term, buying a studio is a long term investment........you might not see a dime of profit for at least 4 years.navyguy21

I dun know about MS, but Sony bought MM recently and now LBP is one of the highest, most sucessful PS3 exclusives .... dun try to convince me that MS doesn't have the money, it's just irrational, as a company, they always seek long term investments and MS is one of the largest companies in the world ..... common sense, use it.

So, MM was working with Sony coz Sony offered them the job .... that's how it's done ..... Do you really think a studio would ask MS to buy it ? plzz dude, use some common sense.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="omho88"]

I dun know about MS, but Sony bought MM recently and now LBP is one of the highest, most sucessful PS3 exclusives .... dun try to convince me that MS doesn't have the money, it's just irrational, as a company, they always seek long term investments and MS is one of the largest companies in the world ..... common sense, use it.

omho88

So, MM was working with Sony coz Sony offered them the job .... that's how it's done ..... Do you really think a studio would ask MS to buy it ? plzz dude, use some common sense.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

People still believe that the PS3 will sell over 100 million, even when Nintendo & MS releases their next gen consoles? OK. :lol:

garland51

from Wiki " On November 29, 2005, the PlayStation 2 became the fastest game console to reach 100 million units shipped, accomplishing the feat within 5 years and 9 months from its launch. This achievement occurred faster than its predecessor, the PlayStation, which took 9 years and 6 months to reach the same benchmark"

The PS2 is over 150 million now, which means the PS2 sold over 50 million unit even after this generation started !!!

The PS3 is 300$ dude which is still high, the next price cut for the X360 and PS3 will cause sales to surge, this generation is far from over .... I dun think a 100 million is possible but not for the reason you stated.

Dude, the PS brand is losing it's credibility among gamers with the way that Sony's been doing things lately, as well as it's focus. It's not exactly as huge as it was back in the PS1 & the PS2 days. They're not going to reach 100 million, or even close to it. Plus when MS & Nintendo's next gen consoles are out, more people will pay more attention to those than to the PS3.

The PS isn't affected in the way that it's trash or something ..... the market has changed, the sloppy start with the high price, the early X360 start, the casualization of the market, all are factors for Sony's problems, the PS brand is still very strong, 3rd party is still very strong, 1st party support could be the best this generation imo, the PS3 sold 50 million unit so far and it's closely behind the X360, and the Wii momentum is gone for good.

MS won't release its next console soon, this will be around the PS4 time ... I can't really comment on Cafe, I will wait for E3 to have a vision about it .... but things are much better for Sony than those who anticipated its demise 2 years ago ..... let's just forget about the PSN hacking thing :P .

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] lol, what? Terrible example because MM was ONLY working on PS3 already, and they were ALREADY developing LBP2, so your example fails. navyguy21

So, MM was working with Sony coz Sony offered them the job .... that's how it's done ..... Do you really think a studio would ask MS to buy it ? plzz dude, use some common sense.

huh ?!

can you plzz rephrase ur post in a form of statments ?!

ok since when has ms had any success to begin with i think their just like sega, ,

good potential but big costly mistakes, - no wifi out of the box for 5 years pay to paly multiplayer for 2 gens refusing to giv that up and now this gen with hardware failure and little first party games-a total of 36 compared to 52 wii and 59 ps3 , and wii also have the most exclusive 3rd party so ya ,, i think its safe to say if they have a 3rd console curse it wont help them it would hurt them even more so then nintendo they arent even a factor in japan

READ THE OP BEFORE RESPONDING!!!

Seriously, every single hardware manufacturer in the video games industry so far has been hit by the third console curse.

Atari had it going good with the Atari 2600 (they were the market leaders). Whereas the Atari 5200 failed to even achieve a modicum of success, it was the Atari Jaguar that absolutely pulled Atari down under, also becoming one of the worst consoles of all time in the process.

Sega failed to make any kind of impact in the video game market with the Master System. With the Genesis, though, they came in all guns blazing, and had a virtual monopoly on the market for many, many years. Then they threw that all away with the Sega Saturn- although the Saturn has quite a few gems that should be played by all, the system was largely responsible for Sega's ultimate demise.

Nintendo started good with the NES, achieving total market monopoly, the kinds of which would never be seen in the video game industry, ever again. They followed it up with the SNES, which had some trouble competing with the Genesis, but ultimately came out on the top. Then they came out with the N64, a system which lost them their market leading position, most of the third party support that they held (something that is still a problem with Nintendo systems to this day), and basically it took them two console generations to recover. In the process, tough, the N64 ended up being one of the greatest and most influential systems of all time.

Sony started off with the Playstation, a system which totally took the gaming industry by storm, expanding the scope and reach of games and gaming, and helping the medium mature. Following up the monstrous success of the Playstation with the PS2, Sony unleashed a beast of the system that is almost inarguably the greatest game system ever released. However, that was followed up with the Playstation 3, a system that lost Sony their market leading position, reduing them to the third place, lost them billions of dollars in investment, tarnished the Playstation brand, and lost most of the third party exclusives that Sony had once held. Of course, the PS3 is a great success, but for Sony, it is nothing short of a dismal failure.

So far, Microsoft failed to make much of an impact with their first system, the Xbox. With their second system, the Xbox 360, however, they have been in a market leading position for five full years now, also stealing away all of the Playstation's exclusives and overall consolidating their market position. As for the third Xbox? Well...

My question: will Microsoft fall to the third console curse too? Every hardware manufacturer has fallen to it so far. And if they do, what can we expect? So far, they seem to be following Sega's trajectory (whereas Sony seems to be following Nintendo's), so can we expect a puzzling, baffling, rushed, frankenstein of a system like the Saturn was? Or will it be something else entirely? Discuss!

charizard1605

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

People still believe that the PS3 will sell over 100 million, even when Nintendo & MS releases their next gen consoles? OK. :lol:

garland51

from Wiki " On November 29, 2005, the PlayStation 2 became the fastest game console to reach 100 million units shipped, accomplishing the feat within 5 years and 9 months from its launch. This achievement occurred faster than its predecessor, the PlayStation, which took 9 years and 6 months to reach the same benchmark"

The PS2 is over 150 million now, which means the PS2 sold over 50 million unit even after this generation started !!!

The PS3 is 300$ dude which is still high, the next price cut for the X360 and PS3 will cause sales to surge, this generation is far from over .... I dun think a 100 million is possible but not for the reason you stated.

Dude, the PS brand is losing it's credibility among gamers with the way that Sony's been doing things lately, as well as it's focus. It's not exactly as huge as it was back in the PS1 & the PS2 days. They're not going to reach 100 million, or even close to it. Plus when MS & Nintendo's next gen consoles are out, more people will pay more attention to those than to the PS3.

And how exactly will hardcore gamers be as convinced to buy a Nintendo console so suddenly again, after the Wii being so disappointing for them? Better yet, tell me how those gamers who are much more into mature, online games will care at all about IPs like Mario, Zelda, etc., especially since Cafe's online service will probably still be pretty behind the PSN and definitely behind that of XBL. I don't think a huge library of M-rated games that are third-party ones is enough to convince this audience to purchase this new console.

I wouldn't consider the PS3 a failure. :?Heil68

How can something be both a success and a dismal failure? That makes no goddamned sense whatsoever.

worlock77

I don't think so. M$ has added a ton of features to the 360 the last few years. I think they will carry all that over to the next console and make it even better.

Yep...

So many things wrong here due to lack of research. Insulting to those who played these systems: Atari's 3rd system was the 7800. Which while stripped of what it was supposed to be (A god) it was more successful than the 5200. Sega's 3rd system was the Genesis. That failed? Lolwhat? Has anybody been paying attention to the OP or just me? The Korean Company Gamepark did not fail on the third system. Wonderswan did not fail on the third system. Sony and Nintendo is all you got. Seriously, I know you don't own the previous systems but why would you just up and assume that Sega and Atari's 3rd system were the Jaguar and the Saturn?Captainqwark10

Yeah. I was thinking the same thing about Sega with the SG series and Atari with the 7800 which he omitted.

khoofia, you really need to get a life :Pcharizard1605