I think the 3rd console curse applies to WINNING a console generation...........which MS hasnt won yet. Maybe they are due? I dunno, but i dont think they have to worry about the curse since they havent won anything :P And the the "curse" is usually self inflicted by the respective company's own arrogance. See Ninty, Sega, and Sony's 3rd consoles and behavior ;)navyguy21Really? When did Sega EVER win a console generation?
THIRD CONSOLE CURSE: Why the next Xbox will fail for sure!!!
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Actually I think Nintendo is in the biggest risk to drop third place. If Project Cafe won't attract the casuals it's questionable if the "core" audience will like it. They tried that with the GameCube already but failed. It may also be quite weaker than the next Sony and MS machines.
3rd party developers deserted Nintendo for the way they were treated moreso than the N64. Also, they realised that the PS was selling well and jumped ship, that wasn't the N64's fault. As I said, it wasn't so much that N64 failed but the fact that it was competing with the cheaper PS1 & it being the most successful console of all time (imo), yet it still managed to sell 33m. Not bad, considering gaming was nowhere near as big back then as it is now.[QUOTE="7suarez7"][QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"]
It alienated the third party developers to the point that they stopped developing for Nintendo almost entirely during that generation as well as the following generation.
It lost Nintendo its market presence in the home console market to the point that the Gamecube, despite the high level of gaming available for it, was functionally ignored.
Explain how it was a success... It made Nintendo money? How much money is worth losing what I have stated?
I would be willing to argue the success of the Playstation was a near direct result of how much of a disaster the N64 was. That is a success?
SpyhunterReborn
The N64 was the personification of that treatment.
Further, the Playstation only started to sell well when companies like Square released games like Final Fnatasy VII - so you are placing the order of events backwards.
Read up on your gaming history, your opinion is formed out of false pretenses and misconceptions.
The PS was a hit since launch,it out paced the Saturn very quickly FF7 was release on 1997,by that time the PS1 was already the leader with several million units sold,the PS first million seller game wasn't and RPG it was Tekken,on those days fighting games were huge,alto FF7 helped seal the N64 fate,it was already clear who was going to win. In fact games like Resident Evil and Tomb Raider which were instant hits were release on 1996 before FF7 hit,in fact FF7 is not a huge million seller sold a couple of millions but nothing out of this world. And developer did have problems with Nintendo because Nintendo use to charge huge royalties for games,in the Snes days a game cost to make between $300K and $400K,yet games were $70 and $80 dollars,and most of the profits were for Nintendo,there was a great migration to the PS1,mainly because Sony charged very low royalties to companies,and in some cases like i think Square,Namco and several others they charge them probably nothing. Games got lower in price also in part to CD's been cheaper than cartridges.
No, the Genesis never was at the top...The Xbox has never been top though, weren't the other consoles in "The 3rd console curse" top at one point?
Either way unless MS invest MAJOR dollor into some exclusive franchises, and developers I probably wont bother with the NextBox
-Snooze-
[QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"][QUOTE="7suarez7"] 3rd party developers deserted Nintendo for the way they were treated moreso than the N64. Also, they realised that the PS was selling well and jumped ship, that wasn't the N64's fault. As I said, it wasn't so much that N64 failed but the fact that it was competing with the cheaper PS1 & it being the most successful console of all time (imo), yet it still managed to sell 33m. Not bad, considering gaming was nowhere near as big back then as it is now.tormentos
The N64 was the personification of that treatment.
Further, the Playstation only started to sell well when companies like Square released games like Final Fnatasy VII - so you are placing the order of events backwards.
Read up on your gaming history, your opinion is formed out of false pretenses and misconceptions.
The PS was a hit since launch,it out paced the Saturn very quickly FF7 was release on 1997,by that time the PS1 was already the leader with several million units sold,the PS first million seller game wasn't and RPG it was Tekken,on those days fighting games were huge,alto FF7 helped seal the N64 fate,it was already clear who was going to win. In fact games like Resident Evil and Tomb Raider which were instant hits were release on 1996 before FF7 hit,in fact FF7 is not a huge million seller sold a couple of millions but nothing out of this world. And developer did have problems with Nintendo because Nintendo use to charge huge royalties for games,in the Snes days a game cost to make between $300K and $400K,yet games were $70 and $80 dollars,and most of the profits were for Nintendo,there was a great migration to the PS1,mainly because Sony charged very low royalties to companies,and in some cases like i think Square,Namco and several others they charge them probably nothing. Games got lower in price also in part to CD's been cheaper than cartridges.I was going to respond, and then read this:
"...in fact FF7 is not a huge million seller sold a couple of millions but nothing out of this world."
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
I don't expect MS to fail with their third console, but I didn't expect the PS3 to have much in the way of competition this gen either, and look how that's turned out.getyeryayasoutWell, for starters, Microsoft has been known for owning a good number of game developers that were behind both simulation games and strategy games, so maybe it could try to market those genres a lot better, and usher in more mainstream appeal for them by really effectively coming up with such titles on its next Xbox console. That's better than always seeing a FPS/TPS as its killer app (Halo w/Xbox, Gears of War w/Xbox 360). After all, wasn't Halo originally an RTS game?
[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]No, the Genesis never was at the top...The Xbox has never been top though, weren't the other consoles in "The 3rd console curse" top at one point?
Either way unless MS invest MAJOR dollor into some exclusive franchises, and developers I probably wont bother with the NextBox
charizard1605
I'm still looking for an answer as to where you got the information that Microsoft agreed to drop out of the console market if Kinect failed. Do you have a link to something verifying this?
[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]No, the Genesis never was at the top... Nor was it the third Sega system. Half your thread is invalid. /thread. Now that the thread is done enjoy your movie.The Xbox has never been top though, weren't the other consoles in "The 3rd console curse" top at one point?
Either way unless MS invest MAJOR dollor into some exclusive franchises, and developers I probably wont bother with the NextBox
charizard1605
No, the Genesis never was at the top...[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]
The Xbox has never been top though, weren't the other consoles in "The 3rd console curse" top at one point?
Either way unless MS invest MAJOR dollor into some exclusive franchises, and developers I probably wont bother with the NextBox
Resultsmayvary0
I'm still looking for an answer as to where you got the information that Microsoft agreed to drop out of the console market if Kinect failed. Do you have a link to something verifying this?
Yes, I posted it a couple of pages ago. I'll post it again: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_24/b4182036703891.htmNo, the Genesis never was at the top...[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]
The Xbox has never been top though, weren't the other consoles in "The 3rd console curse" top at one point?
Either way unless MS invest MAJOR dollor into some exclusive franchises, and developers I probably wont bother with the NextBox
Resultsmayvary0
I'm still looking for an answer as to where you got the information that Microsoft agreed to drop out of the console market if Kinect failed. Do you have a link to something verifying this?
The link was provided some pages agoYou don't have a clue what you are talking about.SpyhunterRebornFFVII sold over its life time. 3.28 Japan. 3.09 million in US And 3 million in EU. On a console that got to be 104 millions. Like i say nothing out of this world,how FFVII did what you claim it did when just 3 million per territory got the game,FF sold close to 10 million units,lets say each an every one bough a PS1 for FF7 (which isn't true i buy my PS1 since launch so did many FF7 owners) but lets pretend that,that make 10 million PS1 owners,what happen to the other 94 million PS1 owners did they got a PS1 to play FF7 and never got it.? The PS1 won for several reasons,by the time FF 7 came out,the PS was $199 and out selling the N64 monthly and the Saturn to.
[QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"]You don't have a clue what you are talking about.tormentosFFVII sold over its life time. 3.28 Japan. 3.09 million in US And 3 million in EU. On a console that got to be 104 millions. Like i say nothing out of this world,how FFVII did what you claim it did when just 3 million per territory got the game,FF sold close to 10 million units,lets say each an every one bough a PS1 for FF7 (which isn't true i buy my PS1 since launch so did many FF7 owners) but lets pretend that,that make 10 million PS1 owners,what happen to the other 94 million PS1 owners did they got a PS1 to play FF7 and never got it.? The PS1 won for several reasons,by the time FF 7 came out,the PS was $199 and out selling the N64 monthly and the Saturn to.
FUN FACT - Final Fantasy VII was only outsold by Gran Turismo on the Playstation.
ANOTHER FUN FACT - It sold over 2.3 million copies in Japan in the first few days it was on the market.
You don't know what you are talking about. It was the first blockbuster game on the Playstation, and was what propelled the Playstation away from its competition. The games you are referencing in your prior post, and your comments now are a revision of history. You don't know what you are talking about or purposely trying to misrepresent history.
FFVII sold over its life time. 3.28 Japan. 3.09 million in US And 3 million in EU. On a console that got to be 104 millions. Like i say nothing out of this world,how FFVII did what you claim it did when just 3 million per territory got the game,FF sold close to 10 million units,lets say each an every one bough a PS1 for FF7 (which isn't true i buy my PS1 since launch so did many FF7 owners) but lets pretend that,that make 10 million PS1 owners,what happen to the other 94 million PS1 owners did they got a PS1 to play FF7 and never got it.? The PS1 won for several reasons,by the time FF 7 came out,the PS was $199 and out selling the N64 monthly and the Saturn to.[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"]You don't have a clue what you are talking about.SpyhunterReborn
FUN FACT - Final Fantasy VII was only outsold by Gran Turismo on the Playstation.
First blockbuster? Everyone fogot about the orange guy already?ANOTHER FUN FACT - It sold over 2.3 million copies in Japan in the first few days it was on the market.
You don't know what you are talking about. It was the first blockbuster game on the Playstation, and was what propelled the Playstation away from its competition. The games you are referencing in your prior post, and your comments now are a revision of history. You don't know what you are talking about or purposely trying to misrepresent history.
[QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"][QUOTE="tormentos"] FFVII sold over its life time. 3.28 Japan. 3.09 million in US And 3 million in EU. On a console that got to be 104 millions. Like i say nothing out of this world,how FFVII did what you claim it did when just 3 million per territory got the game,FF sold close to 10 million units,lets say each an every one bough a PS1 for FF7 (which isn't true i buy my PS1 since launch so did many FF7 owners) but lets pretend that,that make 10 million PS1 owners,what happen to the other 94 million PS1 owners did they got a PS1 to play FF7 and never got it.? The PS1 won for several reasons,by the time FF 7 came out,the PS was $199 and out selling the N64 monthly and the Saturn to.Captainqwark10
FUN FACT - Final Fantasy VII was only outsold by Gran Turismo on the Playstation.
First blockbuster? Everyone fogot about the orange guy already?
ANOTHER FUN FACT - It sold over 2.3 million copies in Japan in the first few days it was on the market.
You don't know what you are talking about. It was the first blockbuster game on the Playstation, and was what propelled the Playstation away from its competition. The games you are referencing in your prior post, and your comments now are a revision of history. You don't know what you are talking about or purposely trying to misrepresent history.
Crash was more in line with the "ever green" model of sales. It certainly didn't sell like Final Fantasy VII, though over the course of the lifetime of the PS, it did sell almost 7 million copies, which certainly makes it important. However, the reception of the game was a bit of a mixed bag, what with some of the best visuals seen at that point on a console, but flaky gameplay.
People weren't necessarily moving away from their Nintendo affinity for Crash Bandicoot, as the game to this day doesn't compare well with its contemporaries. Final Fantasy VII was on a different level. It may be one of the most influential games, on any console, of all time.
Kinda how the 360 was going to fail based on the lack of success of the Xbox :roll:
FFVII sold over its life time. 3.28 Japan. 3.09 million in US And 3 million in EU. On a console that got to be 104 millions. Like i say nothing out of this world,how FFVII did what you claim it did when just 3 million per territory got the game,FF sold close to 10 million units,lets say each an every one bough a PS1 for FF7 (which isn't true i buy my PS1 since launch so did many FF7 owners) but lets pretend that,that make 10 million PS1 owners,what happen to the other 94 million PS1 owners did they got a PS1 to play FF7 and never got it.? The PS1 won for several reasons,by the time FF 7 came out,the PS was $199 and out selling the N64 monthly and the Saturn to.[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"]You don't have a clue what you are talking about.SpyhunterReborn
FUN FACT - Final Fantasy VII was only outsold by Gran Turismo on the Playstation.
ANOTHER FUN FACT - It sold over 2.3 million copies in Japan in the first few days it was on the market.
You don't know what you are talking about. It was the first blockbuster game on the Playstation, and was what propelled the Playstation away from its competition. The games you are referencing in your prior post, and your comments now are a revision of history. You don't know what you are talking about or purposely trying to misrepresent history.
http://www.the-magicbox.com/charts.htm Scroll down and see for your self FF7 sold a ton of units the first week but sales dropped like a stone after that it happen with pretty much all FF games dude,including FFX on PS2 which was also the first FF on the PS2. The game sold 10 million copies believe it if you want,but i know what i am talking about and when FF7 came out the PS1 was beating the crap out of the N64 already,the N64 was never ahead and did not outsold the PS1 outside of the launch window.That is history in fact the N64 was going to release for $249 and sony make Nintendo lower the price to $199 before the N64 even hit,because sony dropped the PS price close to the N64 launch... Fun Fact. Tomb Raider sold 7 million copies on PS1,and was release on 1996,the second parts Tomb Raider 2 sold 8 million copies just 2 million units shy of FF7,Tomb Raider 2 was release on 1997 like FF7.[QUOTE="Captainqwark10"][QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"]
FUN FACT - Final Fantasy VII was only outsold by Gran Turismo on the Playstation.
First blockbuster? Everyone fogot about the orange guy already?
ANOTHER FUN FACT - It sold over 2.3 million copies in Japan in the first few days it was on the market.
You don't know what you are talking about. It was the first blockbuster game on the Playstation, and was what propelled the Playstation away from its competition. The games you are referencing in your prior post, and your comments now are a revision of history. You don't know what you are talking about or purposely trying to misrepresent history.
Crash was more in line with the "ever green" model of sales. It certainly didn't sell like Final Fantasy VII, though over the course of the lifetime of the PS, it did sell almost 7 million copies, which certainly makes it important. However, the reception of the game was a bit of a mixed bag, what with some of the best visuals seen at that point on a console, but flaky gameplay.
People weren't necessarily moving away from their Nintendo affinity for Crash Bandicoot, as the game to this day doesn't compare well with its contemporaries. Final Fantasy VII was on a different level. It may be one of the most influential games, on any console, of all time.
I was talking about Crash Bandicoot 2. Who even broke japanese sales.[QUOTE="Resultsmayvary0"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] No, the Genesis never was at the top...charizard1605
I'm still looking for an answer as to where you got the information that Microsoft agreed to drop out of the console market if Kinect failed. Do you have a link to something verifying this?
Yes, I posted it a couple of pages ago. I'll post it again: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_24/b4182036703891.htmYou misrepresented what was in that article a bit. Thanks for the link anyway.
Well, the DS was Nintendo's THIRD handheld... I wouldn't really say it failed.khoofia_pikaWouldn't that be GBA?
[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"]Well, the DS was Nintendo's THIRD handheld... I wouldn't really say it failed.nintendoboy16Wouldn't that be GBA? Nope, GB/GBC, then GBA, then DS.
Well, the DS was Nintendo's THIRD handheld... I wouldn't really say it failed.khoofia_pikaI never did say this curse worked in the handheld market, did I?
[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"]Well, the DS was Nintendo's THIRD handheld... I wouldn't really say it failed.charizard1605I never did say this curse worked in the handheld market, did I? Well, you never said HOME console specifically either :P
I was under the impression the third console curse applies to companies who owned the topconsole two generations in a row, then fell sharply in their third (Nintendo, Sony, Atari). Microsoft has been second twice.
Third Xbox installement will fail because every 3rd console installment fails Nintendo --> N64 SEGA ---> Saturn SONY ---> PS3 MS ---- XBOX 3!!! Ofc we talking about hardware sales alone!! So i guess is MS time to fail? haha...READ THE OP BEFORE RESPONDING!!!
Seriously, every single hardware manufacturer in the video games industry so far has been hit by the third console curse.
Atari had it going good with the Atari 2600 (they were the market leaders). Whereas the Atari 5200 failed to even achieve a modicum of success, it was the Atari Jaguar that absolutely pulled Atari down under, also becoming one of the worst consoles of all time in the process.
Sega failed to make any kind of impact in the video game market with the Master System. With the Genesis, though, they came in all guns blazing, and had a virtual monopoly on the market for many, many years. Then they threw that all away with the Sega Saturn- although the Saturn has quite a few gems that should be played by all, the system was largely responsible for Sega's ultimate demise.
Nintendo started good with the NES, achieving total market monopoly, the kinds of which would never be seen in the video game industry, ever again. They followed it up with the SNES, which had some trouble competing with the Genesis, but ultimately came out on the top. Then they came out with the N64, a system which lost them their market leading position, most of the third party support that they held (something that is still a problem with Nintendo systems to this day), and basically it took them two console generations to recover. In the process, tough, the N64 ended up being one of the greatest and most influential systems of all time.
Sony started off with the Playstation, a system which totally took the gaming industry by storm, expanding the scope and reach of games and gaming, and helping the medium mature. Following up the monstrous success of the Playstation with the PS2, Sony unleashed a beast of the system that is almost inarguably the greatest game system ever released. However, that was followed up with the Playstation 3, a system that lost Sony their market leading position, reduing them to the third place, lost them billions of dollars in investment, tarnished the Playstation brand, and lost most of the third party exclusives that Sony had once held. Of course, the PS3 is a great success, but for Sony, it is nothing short of a dismal failure.
So far, Microsoft failed to make much of an impact with their first system, the Xbox. With their second system, the Xbox 360, however, they have been in a market leading position for five full years now, also stealing away all of the Playstation's exclusives and overall consolidating their market position. As for the third Xbox? Well...
My question: will Microsoft fall to the third console curse too? Every hardware manufacturer has fallen to it so far. And if they do, what can we expect? So far, they seem to be following Sega's trajectory (whereas Sony seems to be following Nintendo's), so can we expect a puzzling, baffling, rushed, frankenstein of a system like the Saturn was? Or will it be something else entirely? Discuss!
charizard1605
It happened to Sega too, and they were never at the top.I was under the impression the third console curse applies to companies who owned the topconsole two generations in a row, then fell sharply in their third (Nintendo, Sony, Atari). Microsoft has been second twice.
ithilgore2006
[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]It happened to Sega too, and they were never at the top. Sega had the Mega Drive at the top until 1994,only after they started supporting the Saturn and kinda gave up on the MD was when the SNES passed them,only then.I was under the impression the third console curse applies to companies who owned the topconsole two generations in a row, then fell sharply in their third (Nintendo, Sony, Atari). Microsoft has been second twice.
charizard1605
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]It happened to Sega too, and they were never at the top. Sega had the Mega Drive at the top until 1994,only after they started supporting the Saturn and kinda gave up on the MD was when the SNES passed them,only then. Actually no the Genesis was cough much earlier than 1994,in US, EU it was partial success in Japan it was a failure,the genesis was release on 1988 the Snes on 1990,and by 1992 they were tied already,even that the Snes was 2 years and the Genesis 4 years old. In fact Sega never gave real number of how many units they sold, what you see now are estimates,but i do remember sega coming out several years ago admitting they were catch by Nintendo pretty fast and been surpass.They did the same with the PS Sega actually claimed fake numbers on the Saturn to make it see like the Saturn was selling close to the PS,but in real life it wasn't.I was under the impression the third console curse applies to companies who owned the topconsole two generations in a row, then fell sharply in their third (Nintendo, Sony, Atari). Microsoft has been second twice.
Arach666
The difference is MS has enough money lying around that they won't possibly let the 3rd installment fail UNLESS they don't get off their rich backside and get some exclusive IP's lined up for the next generation.SainterzHaving money means nothing,just because MS has money doesn't mean their product will not fail,look at the xbox and the Zune.
[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] It happened to Sega too, and they were never at the top.tormentosSega had the Mega Drive at the top until 1994,only after they started supporting the Saturn and kinda gave up on the MD was when the SNES passed them,only then. Actually no the Genesis was cough much earlier than 1994,in US, EU it was partial success in Japan it was a failure,the genesis was release on 1988 the Snes on 1990,and by 1992 they were tied already,even that the Snes was 2 years and the Genesis 4 years old. In fact Sega never gave real number of how many units they sold, what you see now are estimates,but i do remember sega coming out several years ago admitting they were catch by Nintendo pretty fast and been surpass.They did the same with the PS Sega actually claimed fake numbers on the Saturn to make it see like the Saturn was selling close to the PS,but in real life it wasn't.
Sega began in 1992 with a number of advantages: a 55% to 45% market share over the Super NES, a lower price, and a tenfold advantage in number of games.[51]Sega's advertising continued to position the Genesis as the"cooler" console,[51]and at one point in its campaign, it used the term"Blast Processing"to suggest that the processing capabilities of the Genesis were far greater than those of the SNES.[52]A Sony focus group found that teenage boys would not admit to owning a Super NES rather than a Genesis.[53]Neither console could maintain a definitive lead in market share for several years, with Nintendo's share of the 16-bit machine business dipping down to 37% at the end of 1993,[54]and Sega accounting for 55% of all 16-bit hardware sales during 1994.[55]
See console wars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Drive
[QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"][QUOTE="Captainqwark10"]Captainqwark10
Crash was more in line with the "ever green" model of sales. It certainly didn't sell like Final Fantasy VII, though over the course of the lifetime of the PS, it did sell almost 7 million copies, which certainly makes it important. However, the reception of the game was a bit of a mixed bag, what with some of the best visuals seen at that point on a console, but flaky gameplay.
People weren't necessarily moving away from their Nintendo affinity for Crash Bandicoot, as the game to this day doesn't compare well with its contemporaries. Final Fantasy VII was on a different level. It may be one of the most influential games, on any console, of all time.
I was talking about Crash Bandicoot 2. Who even broke japanese sales.Crash Bandicoot 2? You were better with the first title, as it is actually one of the best-selling games ever on the Playstation.
[QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"][QUOTE="tormentos"] FFVII sold over its life time. 3.28 Japan. 3.09 million in US And 3 million in EU. On a console that got to be 104 millions. Like i say nothing out of this world,how FFVII did what you claim it did when just 3 million per territory got the game,FF sold close to 10 million units,lets say each an every one bough a PS1 for FF7 (which isn't true i buy my PS1 since launch so did many FF7 owners) but lets pretend that,that make 10 million PS1 owners,what happen to the other 94 million PS1 owners did they got a PS1 to play FF7 and never got it.? The PS1 won for several reasons,by the time FF 7 came out,the PS was $199 and out selling the N64 monthly and the Saturn to.tormentos
FUN FACT - Final Fantasy VII was only outsold by Gran Turismo on the Playstation.
ANOTHER FUN FACT - It sold over 2.3 million copies in Japan in the first few days it was on the market.
You don't know what you are talking about. It was the first blockbuster game on the Playstation, and was what propelled the Playstation away from its competition. The games you are referencing in your prior post, and your comments now are a revision of history. You don't know what you are talking about or purposely trying to misrepresent history.
http://www.the-magicbox.com/charts.htm Scroll down and see for your self FF7 sold a ton of units the first week but sales dropped like a stone after that it happen with pretty much all FF games dude,including FFX on PS2 which was also the first FF on the PS2. The game sold 10 million copies believe it if you want,but i know what i am talking about and when FF7 came out the PS1 was beating the crap out of the N64 already,the N64 was never ahead and did not outsold the PS1 outside of the launch window.That is history in fact the N64 was going to release for $249 and sony make Nintendo lower the price to $199 before the N64 even hit,because sony dropped the PS price close to the N64 launch... Fun Fact. Tomb Raider sold 7 million copies on PS1,and was release on 1996,the second parts Tomb Raider 2 sold 8 million copies just 2 million units shy of FF7,Tomb Raider 2 was release on 1997 like FF7.http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/console-sales-in-first-four-months-big.JPG
Take a look at the graph. This is what I can not explain to you any better than this, as you are clearly not someone that was gaming at the time so you don't know these things like those of us that were actually gaming and adults at the time.
The Playstation did NOT Have strong sales from the start, and as you can see, it had very limp hardware and software sales when it launched, whereas the N64 was SIGNIFICANTLY stronger. The game that changed that, and put Playstation out there and drove the sales up is Final Fantasy VII.
Actually no the Genesis was cough much earlier than 1994,in US, EU it was partial success in Japan it was a failure,the genesis was release on 1988 the Snes on 1990,and by 1992 they were tied already,even that the Snes was 2 years and the Genesis 4 years old. In fact Sega never gave real number of how many units they sold, what you see now are estimates,but i do remember sega coming out several years ago admitting they were catch by Nintendo pretty fast and been surpass.They did the same with the PS Sega actually claimed fake numbers on the Saturn to make it see like the Saturn was selling close to the PS,but in real life it wasn't.[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Arach666"] Sega had the Mega Drive at the top until 1994,only after they started supporting the Saturn and kinda gave up on the MD was when the SNES passed them,only then.Arach666
Sega began in 1992 with a number of advantages: a 55% to 45% market share over the Super NES, a lower price, and a tenfold advantage in number of games.[51]Sega's advertising continued to position the Genesis as the"cooler" console,[51]and at one point in its campaign, it used the term"Blast Processing"to suggest that the processing capabilities of the Genesis were far greater than those of the SNES.[52]A Sony focus group found that teenage boys would not admit to owning a Super NES rather than a Genesis.[53]Neither console could maintain a definitive lead in market share for several years, with Nintendo's share of the 16-bit machine business dipping down to 37% at the end of 1993,[54]and Sega accounting for 55% of all 16-bit hardware sales during 1994.[55]
See console wars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Drive
http://www.the-magicbox.com/charts.htm Scroll down and see for your self FF7 sold a ton of units the first week but sales dropped like a stone after that it happen with pretty much all FF games dude,including FFX on PS2 which was also the first FF on the PS2. The game sold 10 million copies believe it if you want,but i know what i am talking about and when FF7 came out the PS1 was beating the crap out of the N64 already,the N64 was never ahead and did not outsold the PS1 outside of the launch window.That is history in fact the N64 was going to release for $249 and sony make Nintendo lower the price to $199 before the N64 even hit,because sony dropped the PS price close to the N64 launch... Fun Fact. Tomb Raider sold 7 million copies on PS1,and was release on 1996,the second parts Tomb Raider 2 sold 8 million copies just 2 million units shy of FF7,Tomb Raider 2 was release on 1997 like FF7.[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="SpyhunterReborn"]
FUN FACT - Final Fantasy VII was only outsold by Gran Turismo on the Playstation.
ANOTHER FUN FACT - It sold over 2.3 million copies in Japan in the first few days it was on the market.
You don't know what you are talking about. It was the first blockbuster game on the Playstation, and was what propelled the Playstation away from its competition. The games you are referencing in your prior post, and your comments now are a revision of history. You don't know what you are talking about or purposely trying to misrepresent history.
SpyhunterReborn
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Take a look at the graph. This is what I can not explain to you any better than this, as you are clearly not someone that was gaming at the time so you don't know these things like those of us that were actually gaming and adults at the time.
The Playstation did NOT Have strong sales from the start, and as you can see, it had very limp hardware and software sales when it launched, whereas the N64 was SIGNIFICANTLY stronger. The game that changed that, and put Playstation out there and drove the sales up is Final Fantasy VII.
You are quoting a so call 4 month chart for sales of all consoles,your sales for the PS are way off,the PS1 on Launch 1994 sold 300,000 just the first month,it may appear low to you,but it wasn't in fact the PS1 in US did record pre-orders and sales,those were broke by the DC. To Sony's delight, the PlayStation sold more than 300,000 units in the first 30 days. The Saturn claimed to have sold 400,000, but research has shown that number to be misleading. The PSX sold through (to customers) 97% of its stock, while many Saturns were still sitting on the shelves.These misleading numbers were to be quoted by Sega on many occasions, and continued even after the US launch. The PlayStation launched in the United States on September 9, 1995 to instant success. Although it retailed for $299, that was still $100 less than the Sega Saturn. Over 100,000 units were already presold at launch, and 17 games were available. Stores reported sell-outs across the country, and sold out of many games and peripherals as well, including second controllers and memory cards. By the US launch, Sony had sold over one million PlayStations in Japan alone. Since the US launch, as of late 1996, the PlayStation has sold over 7 million units worldwide, with close to two million of those being in the US alone. In May of 1996, Sony dropped the price of the PlayStation to $199, making it even more attractive to buy. Like Japan, America and Europe embraced the PlayStation as their next-gen console of choice. The demographic of PlayStation owners has fallen in years steadily from twenty-somethings to the younger age bracket so coveted by Nintendo. In fact, many former Nintendo loyalists, tired of waiting for the Nintendo 64 to be released, bought PlayStations and are now happier for it. With close to 200 games available by Christmas 1996, it's easy to see why. This really is the ultimate gaming console! http://psx.ign.com/articles/060/060188p1.html Now that article was written on August 27 1998 when the PS1 was still alive,maybe you are thinking that because the PS1 had a slower start that then PS2 it has to be consider bad,what you don't take into account is that by december 1994,the market was incredibly smaller than it is today way smaller,so by that time PS sales were great. By the Time then N64 dropped the PS had a ton of games,Tomb Raider alone proves you wrong 7 million copies sold and was release a year before FF7,claiming the PS won because of FF7 is silly,by the end of 1996 the PS1 had 200 games,Nintendo wasn't even close to that,i know i was a N64 and PS owner since launch,and unlike what you claim i was an adult as well,and i use to bough every magazine out by that time,i still have old ones that point to the success of the PS pretty much since launch,you are confuse what happen latter with the PS1 was the explosion of the market and the great expansion which is different.Final Fantasy VII was released in January of 1997. Allow me to break this down and end this "debate".
Sales of the Playstation From Launch to December 28, 1996 -
4,558,389
Sales of the Playstation from December 29, 1996 to December 27, 1997 - 5,057,693
Source: Vgchartz
So, you have an install base that more than doubles in that year, and you don't want to assess that as the turning point? You don't want to give credit to a game that sold, within days, 2.3 million copies - a number that would represent, easily, half of the install base at the time? You don't want to give credit to a game that sold, to be fair, 6 million copies by the end of 1997, which would be over half of the install base of the console worldwide?
Right...But that is not good enough - let's hammer the point home further. You also stated that the Playstation was well ahead of the Saturn, did you not?
Sales of the Sega Saturn from Launch to December 28, 1996 -4,326,256 (which is to say that the Playstation was ahead for sure, but certainly not by any significant margin. For all intents and purposes they had equal market share at this point)
Sales of the Sega Saturn from December 29, 1996 to December 27, 1997 -907,200
Source: Vgchartz
Oh... SNES sales from the Playstation launch to December 28, 1996 - 4,067,022 (which is to say that the Playstation was not really out pacing the prior generation's hardware by much, so how much of a "success" was the first 15 months?)
The year after -301,822
Source, again: Vgchartz
There you have it. Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Tekken were out and they had no effect on the market presence of Sony, which was running neck and neck with the SNES and Saturn. It was not until 1997, as just shown in the cold hard numbers, that the Playstation pulled away and established itself as the market leader (PS, the N64 sold just under 3 million units from launch to the end of 1997).Final Fantasy VII was THE game that changed this.One last number - Q1 1997 Playstation sales:1,758,094Compare and contrast that number to what the Playstation sold in total prior.
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