This PC to console cross platform stuff REALLY is hurting pc games as a whole.

Just think about it. I was the last guy to complain and whine about pc games getting "consolized" but when I look and compare to last gen. The complaints are valid.

Look at all of last gens great pc games, your HL2, your FEAR, Max Payne 2 and so on. Those games are all vastly and I mean incredibly better on pc than they were on consoles. What you got was devs making pc games that took advantage of the hardware and used design decisions based around that hardware. And if the market and demand was right then the game was ported to the consoles.

They had to be watered down because pc is always ahead of consoles tech wise. Therefore any game that goes from PC to Console in the same gen should be notably worse on consoles....But that isnt the case this gen. Now its just about preference.

This gen take games like Bioshock and Far cry 2 for example. I own Bioshock on PC and 360. They are the same exact game, Maybe the pc version lookes like .1% better than 360 one. The only notable difference is mouse control (a big preference for me). Same with far cry 2. That game just even the controls feel excessively consolized. The aiming just feels off even with a mouse.

And now with the demo of FEAR 2 its obvious its been consolized. FEAR was top tier tech last gen. So much that it took consoles from a gen later to play it (and not even max it). FEAR 2 looks a tiny bit better on pc over 360 (mainly AA and AF and higher res, typical of 360/pc games this gen :( ) They took out the lean buttons because that doesnt work well enough on consoles. What you have is a game made for pc but with 360 in mind.

And to me I'd rather have a game MADE for the pc. And a year or 2 later if 360 fans really want it, it gets ported and watered down. They need to stop this multiplat cycling where they make the game with both platforms in mind. Because the games and gamers are suffering.

EDIT: I am really worried Alan Wake (my most anticipated game since this gen started) is going to suffer the same fate.

MY OVERALL POINT: Just look at this gen. All the best looking pc games look almost equal on consoles if they are multiplat. The only game that pushes pc tech is Crysis. You look at last gen. None of the games I mentioned above (HL2, FEAR, Max Payne 2) were done well on consoles at all. Basically the console versions of those games were trash. (xbox max payne was decent...) This gen Bioshock is about the same, Far Cry 2, and so on.

The Gaming Industry is still an industry about making money. Right now consoles are were the mo-nay is at.

Also piracy is easiest on the PC and that is part of the problem when it comes to making sales....

I could care less since I game mainly on consoles anyway. Maybe if pc gamers would buy more games instead of playing the same ones for 10 years more devs would cater to them. Consoles are where the money is at.robflores370

console market is where the money is

I could care less since I game mainly on consoles anyway. Maybe if pc gamers would buy more games instead of playing the same ones for 10 years more devs would cater to them. Consoles are where the money is at.robflores370

[QUOTE="robflores370"]I could care less since I game mainly on consoles anyway. Maybe if pc gamers would buy more games instead of playing the same ones for 10 years more devs would cater to them. Consoles are where the money is at.millerlight89

What? If games on any platform is simple then 1 - Wii no doubt but thats not the topic here. 2 - PC games.

All graphics, no depth, all those who does are multiplatforms.

And besides the word 'simple' in your statement I have no idea what you're talking about

What? If games on any platform is simple then 1 - Wii no doubt but thats not the topic here. 2 - PC games.

All graphics, no depth, all those who does are multiplatforms.

And besides the word 'simple' in your statement I have no idea what you're talking about

PSdual_wielder

• PC games still have the most depth (Compare any console shooter/RPG to, say, STALKER. Compare any console RPG to The Witcher. Compare just about any console game to games like Galactic Civilisations 2).
• "All graphics, no depth" refers to this gen as a whole.
• Multiplatform games tend to be even more simplistic than exclusive games, for whatever reason (for example, Fallout 1 and 2 - PC exclusives, huge depth; Fallout 3 - multiplat, shallow).

[QUOTE="robflores370"]I could care less since I game mainly on consoles anyway. Maybe if pc gamers would buy more games instead of playing the same ones for 10 years more devs would cater to them. Consoles are where the money is at.millerlight89

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="robflores370"]I could care less since I game mainly on consoles anyway. Maybe if pc gamers would buy more games instead of playing the same ones for 10 years more devs would cater to them. Consoles are where the money is at.DeathScape666

Maybe people with those 'big intelligent brains' get bored by playing simplistic games?

This "simplistic" crap must be really ****ing enjoyable if it's been entertaining me for the past decade. You aren't better than anyone else for playing your "smartz peoples' games." To quote Yahtzee, "I'd rather be stupid and having fun, rather than smart and being bored out of my big intelligent brain."DeathScape666

Why not have games that are both fun and intelligent? I mean, would we still be playing these deep and complex games after a decade if they weren't entertaining?

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] Maybe we play the same games b/c of the simplistic crap that is coming out to cater towards you consolites.steve17989

Maybe people with those 'big intelligent brains' get bored by playing simplistic games?

[QUOTE="steve17989"]

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"] This "simplistic" crap must be really ****ing enjoyable if it's been entertaining me for the past decade. You aren't better than anyone else for playing your "smartz peoples' games." To quote Yahtzee, "I'd rather be stupid and having fun, rather than smart and being bored out of my big intelligent brain."DeathScape666

Maybe people with those 'big intelligent brains' get bored by playing simplistic games?

Then just laugh at their superiority complex, since those people will always act in that fashion.

[QUOTE="steve17989"]

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"] This "simplistic" crap must be really ****ing enjoyable if it's been entertaining me for the past decade. You aren't better than anyone else for playing your "smartz peoples' games." To quote Yahtzee, "I'd rather be stupid and having fun, rather than smart and being bored out of my big intelligent brain."DeathScape666

Maybe people with those 'big intelligent brains' get bored by playing simplistic games?

Fear 2 is just a bad game demo if you ask me.

To me the Graphics do not stand out like the original Fear did, Their are no lean buttons(was very useful in FEAR), The sprint button is useless, their is no slide kicking or jump kicking, Shot gun is PATHETIC,The blood does not look as good as the original, AI is less intelligent and does not think as fast, so on so on

This whole game is a major MAJOR downgrade from the original if you ask me. The game does not look like the original FEAR at all. I think the graphics are worse and less realistic. Their is also no soft shadowing so this whole game is a big BIG waste of time I must say.

Fear 2 is just a bad game demo if you ask me.

To me the Graphics do not stand out like the original Fear did, Their are no lean buttons(was very useful in FEAR), The sprint button is useless, their is no slide kicking or jump kicking, Shot gun is PATHETIC,The blood does not look as good as the original, AI is less intelligent and does not think as fast, so on so on

This whole game is a major MAJOR downgrade from the original if you ask me. The game does not look like the original FEAR at all. I think the graphics are worse and less realistic. Their is also no soft shadowing so this whole game is a big BIG waste of time I must say.

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

What? If games on any platform is simple then 1 - Wii no doubt but thats not the topic here. 2 - PC games.

All graphics, no depth, all those who does are multiplatforms.

And besides the word 'simple' in your statement I have no idea what you're talking about

Planeforger

• PC games still have the most depth (Compare any console shooter/RPG to, say, STALKER. Compare any console RPG to The Witcher. Compare just about any console game to games like Galactic Civilisations 2).
• "All graphics, no depth" refers to this gen as a whole.
• Multiplatform games tend to be even more simplistic than exclusive games, for whatever reason (for example, Fallout 1 and 2 - PC exclusives, huge depth; Fallout 3 - multiplat, shallow).

Just think about it. I was the last guy to complain and whine about pc games getting "consolized" but when I look and compare to last gen. The complaints are valid.

Look at all of last gens great pc games, your HL2, your FEAR, Max Payne 2 and so on. Those games are all vastly and I mean incredibly better on pc than they were on consoles. What you got was devs making pc games that took advantage of the hardware and used design decisions based around that hardware. And if the market and demand was right then the game was ported to the consoles.

They had to be watered down because pc is always ahead of consoles tech wise. Therefore any game that goes from PC to Console in the same gen should be notably worse on consoles....But that isnt the case this gen. Now its just about preference.

This gen take games like Bioshock and Far cry 2 for example. I own Bioshock on PC and 360. They are the same exact game, Maybe the pc version lookes like .1% better than 360 one. The only notable difference is mouse control (a big preference for me). Same with far cry 2. That game just even the controls feel excessively consolized. The aiming just feels off even with a mouse.

And now with the demo of FEAR 2 its obvious its been consolized. FEAR was top tier tech last gen. So much that it took consoles from a gen later to play it (and not even max it). FEAR 2 looks a tiny bit better on pc over 360 (mainly AA and AF and higher res, typical of 360/pc games this gen :( ) They took out the lean buttons because that doesnt work well enough on consoles. What you have is a game made for pc but with 360 in mind.

And to me I'd rather have a game MADE for the pc. And a year or 2 later if 360 fans really want it, it gets ported and watered down. They need to stop this multiplat cycling where they make the game with both platforms in mind. Because the games and gamers are suffering.

EDIT: I am really worried Alan Wake (my most anticipated game since this gen started) is going to suffer the same fate.

Just think about it. I was the last guy to complain and whine about pc games getting "consolized" but when I look and compare to last gen. The complaints are valid.

Look at all of last gens great pc games, your HL2, your FEAR, Max Payne 2 and so on. Those games are all vastly and I mean incredibly better on pc than they were on consoles. What you got was devs making pc games that took advantage of the hardware and used design decisions based around that hardware. And if the market and demand was right then the game was ported to the consoles.

They had to be watered down because pc is always ahead of consoles tech wise. Therefore any game that goes from PC to Console in the same gen should be notably worse on consoles....But that isnt the case this gen. Now its just about preference.

This gen take games like Bioshock and Far cry 2 for example. I own Bioshock on PC and 360. They are the same exact game, Maybe the pc version lookes like .1% better than 360 one. The only notable difference is mouse control (a big preference for me). Same with far cry 2. That game just even the controls feel excessively consolized. The aiming just feels off even with a mouse.

And now with the demo of FEAR 2 its obvious its been consolized. FEAR was top tier tech last gen. So much that it took consoles from a gen later to play it (and not even max it). FEAR 2 looks a tiny bit better on pc over 360 (mainly AA and AF and higher res, typical of 360/pc games this gen :( ) They took out the lean buttons because that doesnt work well enough on consoles. What you have is a game made for pc but with 360 in mind.

And to me I'd rather have a game MADE for the pc. And a year or 2 later if 360 fans really want it, it gets ported and watered down. They need to stop this multiplat cycling where they make the game with both platforms in mind. Because the games and gamers are suffering.

EDIT: I am really worried Alan Wake (my most anticipated game since this gen started) is going to suffer the same fate.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="robflores370"]I could care less since I game mainly on consoles anyway. Maybe if pc gamers would buy more games instead of playing the same ones for 10 years more devs would cater to them. Consoles are where the money is at.PSdual_wielder

What? If games on any platform is simple then 1 - Wii no doubt but thats not the topic here. 2 - PC games.

All graphics, no depth, all those who does are multiplatforms.

And besides the word 'simple' in your statement I have no idea what you're talking about

Just think about it. I was the last guy to complain and whine about pc games getting "consolized" but when I look and compare to last gen. The complaints are valid.

Look at all of last gens great pc games, your HL2, your FEAR, Max Payne 2 and so on. Those games are all vastly and I mean incredibly better on pc than they were on consoles. What you got was devs making pc games that took advantage of the hardware and used design decisions based around that hardware. And if the market and demand was right then the game was ported to the consoles.

They had to be watered down because pc is always ahead of consoles tech wise. Therefore any game that goes from PC to Console in the same gen should be notably worse on consoles....But that isnt the case this gen. Now its just about preference.

This gen take games like Bioshock and Far cry 2 for example. I own Bioshock on PC and 360. They are the same exact game, Maybe the pc version lookes like .1% better than 360 one. The only notable difference is mouse control (a big preference for me). Same with far cry 2. That game just even the controls feel excessively consolized. The aiming just feels off even with a mouse.

And now with the demo of FEAR 2 its obvious its been consolized. FEAR was top tier tech last gen. So much that it took consoles from a gen later to play it (and not even max it). FEAR 2 looks a tiny bit better on pc over 360 (mainly AA and AF and higher res, typical of 360/pc games this gen :( ) They took out the lean buttons because that doesnt work well enough on consoles. What you have is a game made for pc but with 360 in mind.

And to me I'd rather have a game MADE for the pc. And a year or 2 later if 360 fans really want it, it gets ported and watered down. They need to stop this multiplat cycling where they make the game with both platforms in mind. Because the games and gamers are suffering.

EDIT: I am really worried Alan Wake (my most anticipated game since this gen started) is going to suffer the same fate.

PC and xbox 360 both get the best looking 2009 games by miles, Alan Wake, Two Worlds Temptation, Divinity 2, KUF2: Dominio, Star Ocean 4 etc

So, PC doers get the best looking stuff and 360 also, those two move visuals forward, and 360 can keep up easilly

the hermits didn't complain when gears,fable,mass effect,chronicales of riddick (all originally console games) where ported to the pc, and they are always going on about 'halo 3' or 'gears 2' going to pc so obviously theres nothing wrong with console games.delta3074

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^ All done by original PC game companies, who where made with money from PC gamers.

The fact in a game like FEAR 2 there's quick save/quick load, no lean-peak cover system, or a path/way to surprise/flank the (dumbed down) enemies is not good game design choices.

The same issues and/or others go UT3, Far Cry 2, BiA:HH and Co.

PC and xbox 360 both get the best looking 2009 games by miles, Alan Wake, Two Worlds Temptation, Divinity 2, KUF2: Dominio, Star Ocean 4 etc

So, PC doers get the best looking stuff and 360 also, those two move visuals forward, and 360 can keep up easilly

obamanian

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Can keep up easily how ?!

By respawning dumbed down enemies on either a linear as hell level or a repetitive as hell sandbox all the time ?!

And to me I'd rather have a game MADE for the pc. And a year or 2 later if 360 fans really want it, it gets ported and watered down. They need to stop this multiplat cycling where they make the game with both platforms in mind.

blues35301

If they do that, they would have to cut a big piece of the game's budget if they expect to make profit of such a small market.

That would hit the game's quality a lot more than your so-called "consolization".

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

PC and xbox 360 both get the best looking 2009 games by miles, Alan Wake, Two Worlds Temptation, Divinity 2, KUF2: Dominio, Star Ocean 4 etc

So, PC doers get the best looking stuff and 360 also, those two move visuals forward, and 360 can keep up easilly

DOF_power

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Can keep up easily how ?!

By respawning dumbed down enemies on either a linear as hell level or a repetitive as hell sandbox all the time ?!

Sorry, but there is absolutly nothing repeatitve about the vast spaces of Fable 2, Two Wolrds Temptation, Venetica, Divinity 2, Alan Wake, KUF2 etc

You REALLY need to check the link in my sig first, you are 1000% wrong

TC, go play the PC exclusives... there are considerably more of those than games exclusive to any console.aliblabla2007

Bioshock looks .1% better on pc then 360? Sorry have to disagree,i have the game for both platforms and running bioshock @2560x1600 maxed out details looks much better.Anyway your point is valid,pc gamers have been saying this for a while.Its a shame most developers dont make the games for each platforms strengths. I guess they want to get there games out asap and save money.ducati101

[QUOTE="blues35301"]

And to me I'd rather have a game MADE for the pc. And a year or 2 later if 360 fans really want it, it gets ported and watered down. They need to stop this multiplat cycling where they make the game with both platforms in mind.

IronBass

If they do that, they would have to cut a big piece of the game's budget if they expect to make profit of such a small market.

That would hit the game's quality a lot more than your so-called "consolization".

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="blues35301"]

And to me I'd rather have a game MADE for the pc. And a year or 2 later if 360 fans really want it, it gets ported and watered down. They need to stop this multiplat cycling where they make the game with both platforms in mind.

blues35301

If they do that, they would have to cut a big piece of the game's budget if they expect to make profit of such a small market.

That would hit the game's quality a lot more than your so-called "consolization".

Where did I said that? I just said that the budget of a game meant to be multiplat is (usually) bigger than the one from an exclusive, since the profit expected is much bigger. If you think FEAR 2 has problems for being a multiplat, there's a big possibility that it would have had more problems being exclusive.IronBass

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^ No if it would have been a PC (timed) exclusive, because the first FEAR has the things done properly.

The issues of FEAR 2 are clearly coming from console issues like the lack of a proper lean-peak & prone cover system, no quicksave-quickload, dumbed physics, dumbed AI, dumbed interface, dumbed controls/reduced mouse mapping.

It literaly screams no M/K as standard control choice, little to no branch predictor, small amount of RAM issues that the PS3/360 have.

obamanian, please dont give games that still have'nt come out yet as examples.If by saying 360 can keep up easily with pc,you mean they have more or less the same type of games then your right about that.Thats all im afraid.ducati101

Actually 360 gets all the best looking PC games in 2009, and considering the very best are made with 360 in mind, they will look about same with minor differences

So, with a 360 you get the best visuals in 2009

[QUOTE="ducati101"]obamanian, please dont give games that still have'nt come out yet as examples.If by saying 360 can keep up easily with pc,you mean they have more or less the same type of games then your right about that.Thats all im afraid.obamanian

Actually 360 gets all the best looking PC games in 2009, and considering the very best are made with 360 in mind, they will look about same with minor differences

So, with a 360 you get the best visuals in 2009

So in reality the PC has the best visuals of 2009, considering the PC versions will look better.

No if it would have been a PC (timed) exclusive, because the first FEAR has the things done properly. DOF_power

Dev costs have became a lot higher since that.

The issues of FEAR 2 are clearly coming from console issues like the lack of a proper lean-peak & prone cover system, no quicksave-quickload, dumbed physics, dumbed AI, dumbed interface, dumbed controls/reduced mouse mapping.

It literaly screams no M/K as standard control choice, little to no branch predictor, small amount of RAM issues that the PS3/360 have.

DOF_power

You are missing my point. I've never said FEAR 2 didn't have issues, so you don't need to makeme another list.

I just said that if it has issues being multiplat, being exclusive could also have meant a lot of problems.

In other words, that the statement "being a PC exclusive it would have been much better" is just mere speculation.

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="ducati101"]obamanian, please dont give games that still have'nt come out yet as examples.If by saying 360 can keep up easily with pc,you mean they have more or less the same type of games then your right about that.Thats all im afraid.steve17989

Actually 360 gets all the best looking PC games in 2009, and considering the very best are made with 360 in mind, they will look about same with minor differences

So, with a 360 you get the best visuals in 2009

So in reality the PC has the best visuals of 2009, considering the PC versions will look better.

Yes, but considering the differences will be minor, especially on a 720p HDTV, i see no reason why spend 1000$ for a PC, when you get about the same stunning visually games on 360, and as a perk exclusives like FF13, Fable 2, Star Ocean 4 etc that also look stunning

Also 360 gets by miles the best looking Witcher version than the one on PC, with a brand new engine

[QUOTE="steve17989"][QUOTE="obamanian"]

Actually 360 gets all the best looking PC games in 2009, and considering the very best are made with 360 in mind, they will look about same with minor differences

So, with a 360 you get the best visuals in 2009

obamanian

So in reality the PC has the best visuals of 2009, considering the PC versions will look better.

Yes, but considering the differences will be minor, especially on a 720p HDTV, i see no reason why spend 1000$ fora PC, when you get about the same stunning visually games on 360, and as a perk exclusives like FF13, Fable 2, Star Ocean 4 etc that also look stunning

So you agree that the PC versions will look better? Thus, the 360 won't have the best visuals of 2009. The PC will.

[QUOTE="obamanian"][QUOTE="steve17989"]So in reality the PC has the best visuals of 2009, considering the PC versions will look better.

steve17989

Yes, but considering the differences will be minor, especially on a 720p HDTV, i see no reason why spend 1000$ fora PC, when you get about the same stunning visually games on 360, and as a perk exclusives like FF13, Fable 2, Star Ocean 4 etc that also look stunning

So you agree that the PC versions will look better? Thus, the 360 won't have the best visuals of 2009. The PC will.

Yes, but only marginally, so the two get the top looking ones in 2009 by far

>And to me I'd rather have a game MADE for the pc. And a year or 2 later if 360 fans really want it, it gets ported and watered down. They need to stop this multiplat cycling where they make the game with both platforms in mind. Because the games and gamers are suffering. blues35301

[QUOTE="steve17989"][QUOTE="obamanian"]

Yes, but considering the differences will be minor, especially on a 720p HDTV, i see no reason why spend 1000$ fora PC, when you get about the same stunning visually games on 360, and as a perk exclusives like FF13, Fable 2, Star Ocean 4 etc that also look stunning

obamanian

So you agree that the PC versions will look better? Thus, the 360 won't have the best visuals of 2009. The PC will.

Yes, but only marginally, so the two get the top looking ones in 2009 by far

I can agree with that.