THQ: Buying used games is cheating

because you must spend that much to make a good game...

and it's up to each person to decide if they make bad games. looking at review scores and user scores is an indicator that consumers aren't likin many THQ games.

Phaze-Two

Do you seriously think that every publisher has that kind of money? Really? "Bad games" is still subjective, it doesn't justify any action at all.

Making bad games is worse.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Making bad games is worse.godzillavskong

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]You know... I've always wondered if devs/publishers themselves buy used games... What I wouldn't give to look through developers' gaming collections and the receipts. alexside1

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you think game devs only play the games that they themselves have made. :lol:

Once I buy it its mine. Ill sell it if I want.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

because you must spend that much to make a good game...

and it's up to each person to decide if they make bad games. looking at review scores and user scores is an indicator that consumers aren't likin many THQ games.

alexside1

Do you seriously think that every publisher has that kind of money? Really? "Bad games" is still subjective, it doesn't justify any action at all.

i was being sarcastic... wow...

and yes it is still subjective, but that is enough to justify action for me. since i decide for me what's a good game or not and weather or not it's worth it to buy it new. deal with it.

LOL Its like saying buying a used car is cheating. Toyota wont care if your first Toyota was used, if you liked it, chances are you are going to get a new one soon93soccer

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="verbalfilth"]You know... I've always wondered if devs/publishers themselves buy used games... What I wouldn't give to look through developers' gaming collections and the receipts. Phaze-Two

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you think game devs only play the games that they themselves have made. :lol:

Know where did I say that?

I agree used sales hurt the industry there you had someone who was willing to pay money for a game to play it you have a better chance of getting sales from those people by giving them incentive to buy new then trying to get pirates to buy your games who have shown there complete unwillingness to shell out any money for a game.DJ_Headshot

says the publisher of how many legendary titles? i cant think of any either. Microsoft1234

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]says the publisher of how many legendary titles? i cant think of any either. Guppy507

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Why buy? They make the game themselves. It's make no sense that they have to buy it. alexside1

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you think game devs only play the games that they themselves have made. :lol:

Know where did I say that?

either that or you think they somehow get free games from other publishers whenever they want?

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]says the publisher of how many legendary titles? i cant think of any either. Microsoft1234

pricing games at 60$ is stealing.

Well maybe if they didn't charge $60 for every freaking game used games wouldn't be as much a problem with them. I swear, only the games industry can get away with this BS. If you bought a car used, would the original car manufacturer get money? No they wouldn't, because someone else already purchased the car. This industry just annoys the crap out of me, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

Vari3ty

If you made games you would feel the same way. Publishers make a ton of money, the developers of games do not. I don't care about the publishers, but I do care about the talented developers that make games. The developers may not see some incredible bonus from a game selling well, but every little bit helps.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Well maybe if they didn't charge $60 for every freaking game used games wouldn't be as much a problem with them. I swear, only the games industry can get away with this BS. If you bought a car used, would the original car manufacturer get money? No they wouldn't, because someone else already purchased the car. This industry just annoys the crap out of me, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

CajunShooter

If you made games you would feel the same way. Publishers make a ton of money, the developers of games do not. I don't care about the publishers, but I do care about the talented developers that make games. The developers may not see some incredible bonus from a game selling well, but every little bit helps.

Stop changing 60 bucks and holding back content for dlc.

greedy devs making bad games is cheating.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Well maybe if they didn't charge $60 for every freaking game used games wouldn't be as much a problem with them. I swear, only the games industry can get away with this BS. If you bought a car used, would the original car manufacturer get money? No they wouldn't, because someone else already purchased the car. This industry just annoys the crap out of me, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

CajunShooter

If you made games you would feel the same way. Publishers make a ton of money, the developers of games do not. I don't care about the publishers, but I do care about the talented developers that make games. The developers may not see some incredible bonus from a game selling well, but every little bit helps.

One more thing those is not really that people resell or are buying other peoples games such as ebay or Craigslist or just from a friend. Game companies have problems with gaming stores specializing in the used game market and telling their employees that if a person brings up a new game and we have a used game in stock then try and talk them into getting that used game. That is where the problem is. CajunShooter

pricing games at 60$ is stealing.

omho88

So they rate people the same as pirates...hmm :?

pricing games at 60$ is stealing.

pricing games at 60$ is stealing.

If developers made their games more than 9 hours long maybe investing $60 dollars for them would be a good deal...if the game is worth it then i'll buy it on launch day. Unfortunately 90% of the games are not worth $60.

I can understand THQ's frustration at the used game market, especially when Gamestop and EB Games goes out of their way to sell a $50-$55 used game over a $60 new game. Gamestop and EB Games make more profit from used games than they do new. I have heard many reports of how a GS or EBG employee will approach someone with a new game in their hands (and the irony is, the disk isn't even in the box, which makes it used anyway and they still charge full price for it) and sell the unsuspecting person, usually a parent who does not know better, just to sell a used game.

For those who think that games in the bargain bin are losing money for the publisher, think again. Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Gamestop or any other store for that matter do not get stock on consignment, they have to pay for it either at delivery or shortly afterwards. The publishers of games have already gotten their money. If anyone taking a hit, it is the retailer. They reduce it to move it out and make room for new merchandise.

As was said before, if a publisher is running servers for a game that has MP, it does cost money, as does running the websites for the game and support staf for those who have problems running the game, no matter what platform. Development of patches also cost money that the publisher is having to put up. Used games do not help support those costs. If a publisher wants to charge for access to the necessary files for playing online, they should be able to.

Those who are complaining of the high costs of games, it is your choice to buy or not buy. With this latest generation of consoles, the price of games rose, just like they did for the previous generation. Want game prices to go down, stop buying them. If you do not buy games at that price, publishers will stop asking said price. If there is no demand for something, they will do one of two things, reduce the price or not make them. You only have yourself to blame for the high price of games.

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"] nah, stealing would be the prices GameStop gives me for used games-The-G-Man-

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I don't understand this concept of entitlement peopel and devs think they have to games. Why exactly is used games not legitimate when virtually used everything else is considered fine?

raynimrod

Because you don't have to patch a used chair, or keep servers running up for a used painting do you?

Until now I was definitely leaning on the side of the initial argument, but you, kind sir, have just made an extremely valid point to the contrary!

What point, Its part of the package they are offering, I paid for that too and when the game is sold its assumed that the feature set is transfered with that. guess what, they got my $60 buck and 2 people can't play online on the same disk, there is no difference.

They are right though.... I know a huge amount of people will come in and a defend it and compare other industries and such but here what... other industries would do something about it if they could.

Also, for anyone who is qoting that maybe THQ should make quality games and devs need to give us a better reason to hold on to the games, please. The last thing I want is all my games having piece of **** multiplayer components that take away from the SP to justify their price. the only reason this is such a problem is because the way devs make games is absolutely broken. Its not the consumer, them being whiny brats does not change the fact that used sales is absolutely legitimate in virtually every other market yet they feel they have the right to screw the consumer out of our right to sell our property. The problem isn't that the we buy used, the problem is that they make less money cause there method of producing games is broken, too expensive and clearly focuses on aspecgts that don't matter to the consumer. Perhas they should look at their business model first and see it for how flawed it is if this is the garbage they have to resort to.

Yep used game buyers are basically as bad as pirates JK or am I?General_X

No, but the sellers are....

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]You know... I've always wondered if devs/publishers themselves buy used games... What I wouldn't give to look through developers' gaming collections and the receipts. alexside1

[QUOTE="General_X"]Yep used game buyers are basically as bad as pirates JK or am I?Dogswithguns

No, but the sellers are....

No, explain why its pirating to sell my own property? And yes, I bought the game from THQ, they relinquished the rights of the title to me, I can do whatever the hell I please with it beside reproduce it. Now how is it piracy?

They are right though.... I know a huge amount of people will come in and a defend it and compare other industries and such but here what... other industries would do something about it if they could.

Espada12

But they can't because it isn't illegal or wrong. So how can anyone defend their position?

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[QUOTE="General_X"]Yep used game buyers are basically as bad as pirates JK or am I?ActicEdge

No, but the sellers are....

No, explain why its pirating to sell my own property? And yes, I bought the game from THQ, they relinquished the rights of the title to me, I can do whatever the hell I please with it beside reproduce it. Now how is it piracy?

I understand their point of view, but the used game market is a good thing for gamers.

lundy86_4

used products market has existed long before video games.

Why should the video games industry be treated any differently?

They should be the same as car companies, movie studios, book publishers etc..

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

They are right though.... I know a huge amount of people will come in and a defend it and compare other industries and such but here what... other industries would do something about it if they could.

ActicEdge

But they can't because it isn't illegal or wrong. So how can anyone defend their position?

I mean, personally I think it's rubbish, but I cannot deny that there is no logic behind what they are saying. Essentially the outcome between this and piracy is exactly the same legal or not. The fact that used games are legal poses more of a problem for them, though that is not my concern and since many think it isn't their concern either, THQ and these companies resort to other measures to make sure they get some money from their products in the used sector.

Many of you do not realize that you are not buying anything but a license to play the game, you do not own it. Just like a book, Sure you own the cover and the paper it was printed on, but you do not have any rights to use the words any way you want. You cannot reprint the book without permission from the publishers and they are paid for the copies used at libraries. Book publishers even discount the price of books when multiple copies are bought , just like software publishers discount multiple licenses.

Now if gamers want to buy multiple licenses for games that can be used for others to use, go for it, I am sure publishers may work out a deal.

[QUOTE="Dogswithguns"]

[QUOTE="General_X"]Yep used game buyers are basically as bad as pirates JK or am I?ActicEdge

No, but the sellers are....

No, explain why its pirating to sell my own property? And yes, I bought the game from THQ, they relinquished the rights of the title to me, I can do whatever the hell I please with it beside reproduce it. Now how is it piracy?

It's similar. Participating in the used games market is bad because multiple people get full access to the game with only ONE purchase contributing to the the cost of making that game.

Piracy is bad for the very same reason.. it just tends to be larger scale (one copy can go to far more people, and simultaneously.)

I don't see people who sell/buy used as much better than pirates. I'm glad publishers are lashing out at them. Granted, the cost of a new game is a bit too high on consoles, but you have Microsoft and Sony to blame for that (and yourselves for putting up with it), not publishers.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Dogswithguns"]

No, but the sellers are....

Velocitas8

No, explain why its pirating to sell my own property? And yes, I bought the game from THQ, they relinquished the rights of the title to me, I can do whatever the hell I please with it beside reproduce it. Now how is it piracy?

It's similar. Participating in the used games market is bad because multiple people get full access to the game with only ONE purchase contributing to the the cost of making that game.

Piracy is bad for the very same reason.. it just tends to be larger scale (one copy can go to far more people, and simultaneously.)

I don't see people who sell/buy used as much better than pirates. I'm glad publishers are lashing out at them. Granted, the cost of a new game is a bit too high on consoles, but you have Microsoft and Sony to blame for that (and yourselves for putting up with it), not publishers.