Time to call Sony out.

[QUOTE="kostmpekir"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]well i play quality games on my ps3 and just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean that it doesn't exists. Why do lemming think that "Only America and gamespot matters so the ps3 is destined to fail" or "Well my 360 has been working fine for 2 years so the RROD problem isn't that big of a deal" or "MGS4 will flop because MGS3 flopped but too human (a game that have been pushed back more times than the # of RRODed 360) will receive AAA scores?
Cicatraz_ESP

Since when is games like Lair, HS, Uncharted ... quality games ? Short 7 hour games are not console defining, they are jokes

Try real game like Halo 3, Gears, Mass Effect, Lost odyssey etc on 360 for quality, PS3 is only fillers for 2007-2008

Yeah they're seven hours, they can't be quality!!

How can you say this and then say gears is quality, it's just as short as all of those games, which was the only negative you could come up with. Lost Oddyseyy? 45 freaking hours of cutscenes and old ps1 era gameplay? Uhh noo thanks bud. I'll take Uncharted and Heavenly Sword over that any day.

ur complaining about cutscenes??? u better not be buying MGS4 then hypocrite.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"] Everyone has things they could be doing better.
Microsoft? 2 years and still no fix to the RROD... What happened to X360 always having the lead graphically because it's easy to develop for? What happened to "choice" and Blu-ray if HD-DVD lost?
Nintendo? Where is that online they promised? Where is twice the power of Gamecube? Where are the unique innovative games?ermacness

The RROD could be fixed, and you would still say the problem exists. Why? Because desperate cows don't want the issue to go away. It's you're only ammunition.

Have fun trying to play sales, buddy.

It's a pretty good movie player.

Everyone knows that all companies lie, and over state their product's cababilities. I never denied that.

However, Sony does this more so than others. This is system wars. I figured I'd get a bunch of rabid cows coming in here trying to take the heat off of their beloved Sony by mentioning RROD, and having to pay for extra accessories, etc. I have never denied those facts. Thiose facts still don't take away from Sony, and everything they've promised, and never delievered.

Both lemmings and Cows know that the Wii is the closest thing to revolutionary we're going to get this gen. M$ and Sony have failed at trying to innovate. majadamus

Flicking your wrist around to play video games isn't revolutionary. It's lame. Nintendo is lame is basically what I'm saying. And what's sad is that millions and millions of non-gamers have fell into the hype of waving a wrist around... So sad.

It's a pretty good movie player.MortalDecay

You're right, the PS3 is a good movie player, but most people are buying PS3s for games.

PS3 = the only next gen hardware. Cell processor and Blu-ray, nuff said.dream431ca

And what have they so far proved other then that Sony is full of it and cows will believe anything they say?

360 has matched the PS3 tit for tat so far where it counts. GAMES! Games look just as good, run just as smooth, have little to no loading and are rich in content. Why is it the PS3 does not surpass the 360 in this regard if it's the "only" next gen hardwar available? What has the Cell or Blu-ray done to revolutionize gaming or for that matter make the PS3 any bette then the 360?

Where 360 surpasses PS3 is with an uncontested online community and feature set and a bevy of quality games.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]It's a pretty good movie player.carljohnson3456

You're right, the PS3 is a good movie player, but most people are buying PS3s for games.

The ps3 is a failure on every level. Cow's defend it because they want to make convince themselves they didnt waste $$$ on a blu ray plaer with no AAAE.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

So GS is law now? When did this happen, not forming your own opinions when playing games. I could say the Wii is crap and that nintendo completley brainwashed you and you bought it, but it would be my opinion. Reviews are someone else's opinion.

The ps3 is a failure on every level. Cow's defend it because they want to make convince themselves they didnt waste $$$ on a blu ray plaer with no AAAE.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

On every level you say? Let's list...

Games? Sure, inferior library compared to 360 library, but 360 had a year head start worth of games. The PS3 has quality games anyway, not a failure.

Blu Ray? Won the format war... not a failure.

Sales? Already outsold the 360 in Europe despite being released a year later... certainly not a failure.

GTA4? Sold with a higher attatch rate than the 360. Not a failure.

How is it a failure on every level???

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]It's a pretty good movie player.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

You're right, the PS3 is a good movie player, but most people are buying PS3s for games.

What? Because you mean that Blu Ray sales are tanking?? Buddy?

Both lemmings and Cows know that the Wii is the closest thing to revolutionary we're going to get this gen. M$ and Sony have failed at trying to innovate. majadamus

Revolutionary control with same old spamware titles and last gen graphics.

Both lemmings and Cows know that the Wii is the closest thing to revolutionary we're going to get this gen. M$ and Sony have failed at trying to innovate. majadamus

lol I love sheep. So...gullible.

So GS is law now? When did this happen, not forming your own opinions when playing games. I could say the Wii is crap and that nintendo completley brainwashed you and you bought it, but it would be my opinion. Reviews are someone else's opinion.

WINDWAKER1

True, but see I own one and have played the PS3's "best" as of now and if it was my only console I'd be some what happy with it, being that it is not my only console I'm VERY disapointed in it and regret ever getting one.

[QUOTE="majadamus"]Both lemmings and Cows know that the Wii is the closest thing to revolutionary we're going to get this gen. M$ and Sony have failed at trying to innovate. ermacness

/sarcasm

That's the problem with the 360 and PS3, they're little more than processor upgrades; the Wii actually does something different and innovative.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]The ps3 is a failure on every level. Cow's defend it because they want to make convince themselves they didnt waste $$$ on a blu ray plaer with no AAAE.carljohnson3456

On every level you say? Let's list...

Games? Sure, inferior library compared to 360 library, but 360 had a year head start worth of games. The PS3 has quality games anyway, not a failure.

Blu Ray? Won the format war... not a failure.

Sales? Already outsold the 360 in Europe despite being released a year later... certainly not a failure.

GTA4? Sold with a higher attatch rate than the 360. Not a failure.

How is it a failure on every level???

Sale - batteleing the 360 for 2nd place ? are you kiding me ? sony dominated 2 gens efore this one and now there batteling for 2nd place with a console brand that came out last gen. Plus its still in DEAD LAST so its a failure

Game- Barley anything worth playing, No AAAE, Multiplats are on par with 360 titles with some looking inferior (so whats this blu-ray and cell supposed to do ?) its just wait over and over again with you cows

Software sales are no were near as good as the wii's or 360's they usually have like 1 game in the top ten every month (Hence why I think people buy it for blu ray)

The only thing sony has one is the format war everything else its failing misserably on just like the psp.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"]

So GS is law now? When did this happen, not forming your own opinions when playing games. I could say the Wii is crap and that nintendo completley brainwashed you and you bought it, but it would be my opinion. Reviews are someone else's opinion.

thegame1980

True, but see I own one and have played the PS3's "best" as of now and if it was my only console I'd be some what happy with it, being that it is not my only console I'm VERY disapointed in it and regret ever getting one.

Wow. I was planing on buying one soon, but now I think I'll wait a little longer. '09?

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]It's a pretty good movie player.carljohnson3456

You're right, the PS3 is a good movie player, but most people are buying PS3s for games.

What? Because you mean that Blu Ray sales are tanking?? Buddy?

[QUOTE="majadamus"]Both lemmings and Cows know that the Wii is the closest thing to revolutionary we're going to get this gen. M$ and Sony have failed at trying to innovate. WINDWAKER1

lol I love sheep. So...gullible.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]It's a pretty good movie player.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

You're right, the PS3 is a good movie player, but most people are buying PS3s for games.

What? Because you mean that Blu Ray sales are tanking?? Buddy?

The PS3's install base is smaller than the Wii's and 360's. What do you expect? That doesnt mean people are buying it for a Blu Ray player.

The PS3's install base is smaller than the Wii's and 360's. What do you expect? That doesnt mean people are buying it for a Blu Ray player.

carljohnson3456

1. The total number of blu-ray discs sold is 45% of the install base of the PS3

2. Standalone players have a 4-1 attach ratio I read

3. There haven't been as many good games for the PS3 as the X360. IF you look at multiplats, most of the time they fall within logical parameters of the install base comparison, so when the X360 was 2:1 of PS3 in installbase, quite often the multiplats would also be 2:1. The thing the PS3 is missing is an exclusive on the scale of Halo 3.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

The PS3's install base is smaller than the Wii's and 360's. What do you expect? That doesnt mean people are buying it for a Blu Ray player.

thrones

1. The total number of blu-ray discs sold is 45% of the install base of the PS3

2. Standalone players have a 4-1 attach ratio I read

3. There haven't been as many good games for the PS3 as the X360. IF you look at multiplats, most of the time they fall within logical parameters of the install base comparison, so when the X360 was 2:1 of PS3 in installbase, quite often the multiplats would also be 2:1. The thing the PS3 is missing is an exclusive on the scale of Halo 3.

Dang I meant, "that doesnt mean that most people are buying it as a Blu player" lol.

[QUOTE="majadamus"]Both lemmings and Cows know that the Wii is the closest thing to revolutionary we're going to get this gen. M$ and Sony have failed at trying to innovate. WINDWAKER1

lol I love sheep. So...gullible.

shup u walrus :P

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]PS3 = the only next gen hardware. Cell processor and Blu-ray, nuff said.jimm895

I agree and the thing is it's going to take time for developers to really start using this new technology that's put before them. Once this happens these boards are going to go crazy with people saying that this is still not needed while the developers are praiseing this technology.

Exactly. Developers are constantly saying how they love the extra space and the flexability the PS3 gives to them. Mirrors Edge, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, MGS4 are some prime examples.

[QUOTE="jimm895"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]PS3 = the only next gen hardware. Cell processor and Blu-ray, nuff said.dream431ca

I agree and the thing is it's going to take time for developers to really start using this new technology that's put before them. Once this happens these boards are going to go crazy with people saying that this is still not needed while the developers are praiseing this technology.

Exactly. Developers are constantly saying how they love the extra space and the flexability the PS3 gives to them. Mirrors Edge, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, MGS4 are some prime examples.

Developers are also saying how much the cell sucks.

Gabe Newman

fin.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="jimm895"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]PS3 = the only next gen hardware. Cell processor and Blu-ray, nuff said.thrones

I agree and the thing is it's going to take time for developers to really start using this new technology that's put before them. Once this happens these boards are going to go crazy with people saying that this is still not needed while the developers are praiseing this technology.

Exactly. Developers are constantly saying how they love the extra space and the flexability the PS3 gives to them. Mirrors Edge, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, MGS4 are some prime examples.

Developers are also saying how much the cell sucks.

Gabe Newman

fin.

It's Gabe Newell, and he's primarily a PC developer. Bad example. Try again please.

its a console.

no matter how much hype it gets, it still is a box that plays games on a TV, and that should come first

Awinagainov

Agreed +1000, i have a ps3 i i don't even use the Bluray player, to me its just another console i only got it for the games, nothing else. And the whole "omgz we haves to do teh installz!!!" for the ps3, look its not that big of a deal, as a pc user im much more used to installs than some others so maybe this is just opinion but im sure u can wait 7 minutes for a install especially if the game is worth it

and TC what shovelware are u talking about?, just because a game gets delayed dosent mean its shovelware... the WII has more than ps3 and 360 combined as far as i know 360's lineup in 08' is horrid only 2 good games people care about (Gears, Ninja gaiden) and the rest is just a borefest, before you call sony out make sure you knock on microsofts door as well...

I wonder how many million PS3 users will just abandon PS3 after MGS4, and get themselves a 360

I mean what is left in 2008 ? Resistance 2 and LBP ????

When 360 will have like a real avalance of quality, must buy titles like Gears 2, Banjo 3, Fable 2, Too Human, 3 JRPG's etc ?

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

carljohnson3456

The PS3's install base is smaller than the Wii's and 360's. What do you expect? That doesnt mean people are buying it for a Blu Ray player.

Cow brag about the ps3 outselling the 360but when it come to actual game sales they say "oh the install base isnt as big" or "the 360 has been out a year" :roll:

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

The PS3's install base is smaller than the Wii's and 360's. What do you expect? That doesnt mean people are buying it for a Blu Ray player.

Cow brag about the ps3 outselling the 360but when it come to actual game sales they say "oh the install base isnt as big" or "the 360 has been out a year" :roll:

And that's entirely true.

I wonder how many million PS3 users will just abandon PS3 after MGS4, and get themselves a 360

I mean what is left in 2008 ? Resistance 2 and LBP ????

When 360 will have like a real avalance of quality, must buy titles like Gears 2, Banjo 3, Fable 2, Too Human, 3 JRPG's etc ?

kostmpekir

really comon, Banjo3, Too human....

while ps3 has MGS4, KZ2, GT, LBP, Socom, Haze, FF13, The Agency, Motorstorm pacific rift, Disgaea 3

just stop...stop while your ahead

2010 is on lockdown for Sony. Just wait and the ownage will eventually come.

Here's my (tentative) list for this year:

Playstation 3:

Wipeout HD

Heavy Rain

SOCOM: Confrontation

Motorstorm 2

Resistance 2

inFamous

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

Valkryia Chronicles

Disgaea 3

LittleBigPlanet

Tekken 6

MLB '08: The Show

Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds

White Knight Story

Haze

The Agency

Xbox 360:

Fable 2

Banjo Kazooie 3

Too Human

Gears of War 2

Tales of Vesperia

Infinite Undiscovery

Lost Odyssey

Ninja Gaiden II

Halo Wars

Splinter Cell: Conviction

Alan Wake

Cry On

You may as well give up on calling the PS3 out, at this point it's become an emotional argument for the fans so really what good does it do. You can't attack emotion with reason.

I actually like the PS3 (putting aside the nitpicking and how much fun it is to ridicule it and it's rabid fans)) but that's because I'm patient enough to see that it still has not hit it's stride, I also believe that it will eventually produce some games that are inarguably better than what we see on the 360.*crosses fingers*

If you have trapped yourself by loyality to a brand name and you refuse to see what's up then that's just too bad, all I can offer you is pity if you can't see the positives of a great system whether it be the PS3 or the 360.

2010 is on lockdown for Sony. Just wait and the ownage will eventually come.

stiltzsy

So it's not 'o8 anymore? Not even 09? It's "wait 'till 2010, man! Then you'll see!!!" now? Wow.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

So how is MS milking me?

carljohnson3456

You didn't seriously just ask that did you?? :lol: Between the ridiculously overpriced proprietary accessories and extra service and online fees Lemmings by far are the most milked bunch this generation.

The overpriced accessories that I didn't buy? Again, how is that miking when I chose not to buy them? I am being milked just by their existance? I know cows suck at logic, but that doesn't make any sense.

Paying for Live is different, because Live is better than PSN by leaps and bounds.

That doesnt justify a $50 a year fee. You're paying for P2P gaming... and extra features.

When the in-game XMB comes, the services will be much more equal... only one will be free.

If that ever happens of course... XMB will probably either never happen or will be executed terribly, so don't get your hopes up. Seems you're falling for another one of Sony's false promises. Don't kid yourself, something that is free (especially from Sony) will probably be pretty bad.

[QUOTE="kostmpekir"]

I wonder how many million PS3 users will just abandon PS3 after MGS4, and get themselves a 360

I mean what is left in 2008 ? Resistance 2 and LBP ????

When 360 will have like a real avalance of quality, must buy titles like Gears 2, Banjo 3, Fable 2, Too Human, 3 JRPG's etc ?

Pinkyimp

really comon, Banjo3, Too human....

while ps3 has MGS4, KZ2, GT, LBP, Socom, Haze, FF13, The Agency, Motorstorm pacific rift, Disgaea 3

just stop...stop while your ahead

MGS4 ? A tired series

KZ2 ? 2009, looks empty

GT, motorstorm ???? A racer will save PS3 ?

LBP ????? That has no gameplay, only the level making matters

Socom, Haze = no comments

FF13 = 2010

Disgea 3 is paying full price for a PS1 looking like game

The Agency = no comments

Where are the games that MATTER ? Where are the Gears 2 like shooters, or Fable 2 like RPG's, or even the JRPG's ?

You name FF13, which could come in 2010, PS3 has NOTHING this year, not a thing, just some mediocre shooters and two racing games .... and LBP !!!

I can't understand how anyone would buy a PS3 anymore TBH, it is really laughable what Sony has done to people minds

[QUOTE="jimm895"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]PS3 = the only next gen hardware. Cell processor and Blu-ray, nuff said.dream431ca

I agree and the thing is it's going to take time for developers to really start using this new technology that's put before them. Once this happens these boards are going to go crazy with people saying that this is still not needed while the developers are praiseing this technology.

Exactly. Developers are constantly saying how they love the extra space and the flexability the PS3 gives to them. Mirrors Edge, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, MGS4 are some prime examples.

Little Big Planet....??? I don't know about you but I'm not holding my breath for it.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

How do you guys feel about Sony's "revolutionary" console, now that it's been out for over a year, and we've seen what it can do?

I know Sony overhypes their consoles, but this is rediculous. Sony promised a console that would be able to deliver things we've never seen before in a video game. What do we really get? A bloated movie player. The 360 more than holds it's own against the PS3, considering the PS3 came out a year later. What's worse is devs are having to dumb down the resolution, and force players to install half of the game to their HDD to even keep up with the 360. Why are cows not upset about this?

Sony takes out features after the console has been out for 6 months, then adds features later in the game, making people pay $50+ for old technology. I would be highly upset if I were a cow. Sony cannot make up thier mind.

I don't even want to get into all of the vaporware that Sony has been promising.

Where's the revolution? Where's the innovation? I don't want to hear, "Devs haven't tapped into the hidden power yet, just wait!" That didn't work for the PS2, and it won't work here.

ermacness

typically cow response. when you've got no argument, automatically go rrod

2010 is on lockdown for Sony. Just wait and the ownage will eventually come.

stiltzsy

So... there is no reason to get a PS3 before 2010?

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="kostmpekir"]

I wonder how many million PS3 users will just abandon PS3 after MGS4, and get themselves a 360

I mean what is left in 2008 ? Resistance 2 and LBP ????

When 360 will have like a real avalance of quality, must buy titles like Gears 2, Banjo 3, Fable 2, Too Human, 3 JRPG's etc ?

kostmpekir

really comon, Banjo3, Too human....

while ps3 has MGS4, KZ2, GT, LBP, Socom, Haze, FF13, The Agency, Motorstorm pacific rift, Disgaea 3

just stop...stop while your ahead

MGS4 ? A tired series

KZ2 ? 2009, looks empty

GT, motorstorm ???? A racer will save PS3 ?

LBP ????? That has no gameplay, only the level making matters

Socom, Haze = no comments

FF13 = 2010

Disgea 3 is paying full price for a PS1 looking like game

The Agency = no comments

Where are the games that MATTER ? Where are the Gears 2 like shooters, or Fable 2 like RPG's, or even the JRPG's ?

You name FF13, which could come in 2010, PS3 has NOTHING this year, not a thing, just some mediocre shooters and two racing games .... and LBP !!!

I can't understand how anyone would buy a PS3 anymore TBH, it is really laughable what Sony has done to people minds

Go on and HATE, but nothing will change the fact that those games will be better than x360

[QUOTE="stiltzsy"]

2010 is on lockdown for Sony. Just wait and the ownage will eventually come.

Bebi_vegeta

So... there is no reason to get a PS3 before 2010?

He's not being serious. He's trying to be funny and failing miserably.

[QUOTE="kostmpekir"][QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="kostmpekir"]

I wonder how many million PS3 users will just abandon PS3 after MGS4, and get themselves a 360

I mean what is left in 2008 ? Resistance 2 and LBP ????

When 360 will have like a real avalance of quality, must buy titles like Gears 2, Banjo 3, Fable 2, Too Human, 3 JRPG's etc ?

Bloodseeker23

really comon, Banjo3, Too human....

while ps3 has MGS4, KZ2, GT, LBP, Socom, Haze, FF13, The Agency, Motorstorm pacific rift, Disgaea 3

just stop...stop while your ahead

MGS4 ? A tired series

KZ2 ? 2009, looks empty

GT, motorstorm ???? A racer will save PS3 ?

LBP ????? That has no gameplay, only the level making matters

Socom, Haze = no comments

FF13 = 2010

Disgea 3 is paying full price for a PS1 looking like game

The Agency = no comments

Where are the games that MATTER ? Where are the Gears 2 like shooters, or Fable 2 like RPG's, or even the JRPG's ?

You name FF13, which could come in 2010, PS3 has NOTHING this year, not a thing, just some mediocre shooters and two racing games .... and LBP !!!

I can't understand how anyone would buy a PS3 anymore TBH, it is really laughable what Sony has done to people minds

Go on and HATE, but nothing will change the fact that those games will be better than x360

Hahahaha, "fact", yes right

How can "NO RPG'S", and "NO SIGNIFICANT GAMES" be better than even a single game on 360 ?

In short, how can nothing be "better" than something, and you calling it "fact"

Only MGS4 has a chance to be something, for the 10 hours it will last that is

They have delivered things I've never seen before:

Eye of Judgement game.

Folding at Home.

High def Blu Ray movies and games.

Whats your point?

I'm pleased with my PS3 though... I've played the games I've been waiting to play and things look ok over the horizon. Yes Sony are big PHAT liars but meh, Japanese do business weird like. No wonder dude left for Atari!thefjk

I really like my ps3, but it has been one of the worst console purchases I have ever made. When I walk into the store looking for a ps3 game they just are not there. If I did not own a PC or 360 it would be better, but even then it can not match the ps2 at this point in its life.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

How do you guys feel about Sony's "revolutionary" console, now that it's been out for over a year, and we've seen what it can do?

I know Sony overhypes their consoles, but this is rediculous. Sony promised a console that would be able to deliver things we've never seen before in a video game. What do we really get? A bloated movie player. The 360 more than holds it's own against the PS3, considering the PS3 came out a year later. What's worse is devs are having to dumb down the resolution, and force players to install half of the game to their HDD to even keep up with the 360. Why are cows not upset about this?

Sony takes out features after the console has been out for 6 months, then adds features later in the game, making people pay $50+ for old technology. I would be highly upset if I were a cow. Sony cannot make up thier mind.

I don't even want to get into all of the vaporware that Sony has been promising.

Where's the revolution? Where's the innovation? I don't want to hear, "Devs haven't tapped into the hidden power yet, just wait!" That didn't work for the PS2, and it won't work here.

SecretPolice

My 360 works, thank you. You're still stuck with a box full of empty pomises. :lol:

Soo transparent these days. :?

Hardware; no

assecories; milkage

and it's getting outsold by the ps3 worldwide, but i guess these points are all us cows fall back on right?

How many MORE million is the 360 ahead of the PS3 yet I continue to hear a cow like you say 360 being out sold !

Do us a favor and calculate, at the current rate the PS3 may out sell the 360 on a monthly basis, how long will it take to equal the 360's sold ?

I'll wait impatiently for your answer. :P

PS: Here's a hint - the next MS machine will have already launched. :D