To people who complain about ads 'cluttering' the dashboard on 360..............

This has to be the stupidest arguement I have ever seen brought up against the 360, and I am a COW. Really? The ads that "cover" the dashboard? Funny, Im on the 360 dashboard right now, and on the Spotlight section (the 360 equivalent of the "whats new" section on PS3), and right now I dont see a single non-game related ad on the system. There is usually ONE ad up there, like a Nissan ad or something, but you have to actively go out of your way to see it.

This is how you identify people who do not own 360s or regularly play them, if you are pointing this out as a legitimate concern to your gaming experience.

These are the ads you are complaining about:

You will spend an entire 4 seconds in this screen. Also, note that this is the ONLY non 360 gaming related ad in this section, and I had to scroll through like 10 the ads just to find it. Every single ad on there except this Nissan one is advertising something 360 related. Right now, there is an ad for Gears 3, an ad for extending your XBL for $1, some s*** about Kinect, an add for Fifa12, and a host of other 360 related things. The Nissan ad was actually 7 ads down. Are you telling me that this bothers you?

But lets look at PS3.....would you look at that! an ad for Lil' Wayne's "the Carter 4" on PS3, and the movie THOR. I guess your PS3 gaming experience is ruined :roll: . (also, note that after taking this picture, there is a footbal ad up there for Direct TV "NFL Sunday Ticket". Guess that ruins your experience huh?

The thing about it is...who cares? Not only do you spend 4 seconds on here, you have to actively go out of your way just to even see the ads. This is the stupidest arguement I have ever seen a PS3 fanboy use to discredit the 360, and I am a Cow.

Can any 360 owners ever say that they have been bothered by this? (or even acknowleged the existence of these ads?)

I agree.The only way I would get mad over this if they start popping up in my games.

I agree.The only way I would get mad over this if they start popping up in my games.

Lto_thaG

There are ads on the dashboard??? :|

*runs to confirm*

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY right into Microsoft's wallet for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just an unjust business practice.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices: a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

Agreed. I think it's good that it has ads on their special offers and stuff, steam does basically the same thing.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

I agree.The only way I would get mad over this if they start popping up in my games.

StrongDeadlift

Did you know that Square Enix placed ads in Deus Ex loading screens with the newest update?

And what about games like Crackdown where there are ads everywhere on billboards?

There is no argument against the ad's because you forget they even exist when you are on the 360 dashboard

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY to Microsoft's pocket for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just unjust business practices.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices, a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

peterw007

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY right into Microsoft's wallet for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just unjust business practices.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices: a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

peterw007

unjust busines practices?

I guess you don't buy many things. anyways, our economy needs Ads, if people really hate them, than they should just move to a 3rd world country

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

I agree.The only way I would get mad over this if they start popping up in my games.

peterw007

And what about games like Crackdown where there are ads everywhere on billboards?

that lil wayne ad is there because of sonys music unlimited service on psn it is not a ad that has nothing to do with the 360 services like that nissan advertisement

i dont have 360 but if i did see adds on my gaming system that had nothing to do with the system itself or games all the time i would be a little annoyed

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY to Microsoft's pocket for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just unjust business practices.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices, a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

mems_1224

That's a bad analogy, because TV is a ad-supported industry.

The subscription you pay to cable goes to your service provider, while the ads go to the content provider.

With Xbox Live, the subscription + ads go to the same mega-corporation.

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY right into Microsoft's wallet for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just unjust an business practice.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices: a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

peterw007

you pay for cable. does it have ads?

you pay to see a movie. does that movie contain ads?

my point is, you cannot get away from advertising, regardless of whether you're paying for it or not. the only example i can think of that doesn't have ads is netflix streaming, and it sucks.

that lil wayne ad is there because of sonys music unlimited service on psn it is not a ad that has nothing to do with the 360 services like that nissan advertisementcoltgames

They're complaining because you shouldn't be getting ads when you're paying for the service.

Yep... but PC gamers.. they get pop ups from the interweb! :P

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY to Microsoft's pocket for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just unjust business practices.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices, a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

peterw007

That's a bad analogy, because TV is a ad-supported industry.

The subscription you pay to cable goes to your service provider, while the ads go to the content provider.

With Xbox Live, the subscription + ads go to the same mega-corporation.

[QUOTE="coltgames"]that lil wayne ad is there because of sonys music unlimited service on psn it is not a ad that has nothing to do with the 360 services like that nissan advertisementStrongDeadlift

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY right into Microsoft's wallet for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just unjust an business practice.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices: a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

peterw007

that lil wayne ad is there because of sonys music unlimited service on psn it is not a ad that has nothing to do with the 360 services like that nissan advertisement

i dont have 360 but if i did see adds on my gaming system that had nothing to do with the system itself or games all the time i would be a little annoyed

coltgames

most of the time you get something from clicking on ADS, but 99% of the ads, do have something to do with the people who use the consoles. but also like websites, ADS, really mean nothing till you click on them

doesn't matter, you're still paying to see adsmems_1224

No, you pay for the cable service and the hardware.

With premium channels like HBO, you get ad-free content because you pay them a subscription.

The same should be true with Microsoft.

[QUOTE="coltgames"]

that lil wayne ad is there because of sonys music unlimited service on psn it is not a ad that has nothing to do with the 360 services like that nissan advertisement

i dont have 360 but if i did see adds on my gaming system that had nothing to do with the system itself or games all the time i would be a little annoyed

gamer-adam1

most of the time you get something from clicking on ADS, but 99% of the ads, do have something to do with the people who use the consoles. but also like websites, ADS, really mean nothing till you click on them

also im talking about gaming system not movies and theaters if u want to talk about that i suggest another forum

You normally pay to remove ads. Microsoft has it backwards...

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

I agree.The only way I would get mad over this if they start popping up in my games.

peterw007

Did you know that Square Enix placed ads in Deus Ex loading screens with the newest update?

And what about games like Crackdown where there are ads everywhere on billboards?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPkOcBI4EJM&feature=related

I thought the easter egg was a nice touch personally.

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"][QUOTE="coltgames"]that lil wayne ad is there because of sonys music unlimited service on psn it is not a ad that has nothing to do with the 360 services like that nissan advertisementcoltgames

yeah, only for directv subscribers, so it doesn't apply to everyone. guess what? directv also costs money, so yeah.

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY right into Microsoft's wallet for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just unjust an business practice.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices: a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

peterw007

There's a difference between a principle and a (very baseless)line of reasoning like "everything should be exactly how I say it should because I say so".

Complaining about something "just because it's there", without hurting anyone or affecting anyone's game experience would cIassify as the latter.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"] This. You have to go out of your way to even see the ad. StrongDeadlift

Did you know that Square Enix placed ads in Deus Ex loading screens with the newest update?

And what about games like Crackdown where there are ads everywhere on billboards?

Just like product placement in movies, if it's implemented effectively (like in Crackdown) then I'm perfectly okay with it.

Like someone said, it's the "out-of-place" ads like on the Microsoft dashboard that I dislike.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]doesn't matter, you're still paying to see adspeterw007

No, you pay for the cable service and the hardware.

With premium channels like HBO, you get ad-free content because you pay them a subscription.

The same should be true with Microsoft.

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

[QUOTE="coltgames"]

that lil wayne ad is there because of sonys music unlimited service on psn it is not a ad that has nothing to do with the 360 services like that nissan advertisement

i dont have 360 but if i did see adds on my gaming system that had nothing to do with the system itself or games all the time i would be a little annoyed

coltgames

most of the time you get something from clicking on ADS, but 99% of the ads, do have something to do with the people who use the consoles. but also like websites, ADS, really mean nothing till you click on them

also im talking about gaming system not movies and theaters if u want to talk about that i suggest another forum

well it gives you MS points, but I can't real;y say for sure, because I don't get that ad here. but the last car ad I watched was for the Ford Fiesta, and it was aimed at the type of people who would own a game console, so I assume this is for the same thing.

The main ad I got on xbox live, was to go to Ontario Center, which I could understand, because I live in Ontario and it was the summer.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]doesn't matter, you're still paying to see adspeterw007

No, you pay for the cable service and the hardware.

With premium channels like HBO, you get ad-free content because you pay them a subscription.

The same should be true with Microsoft.

there are 100's of extra channes, and they are not all add free, In Onatrio, so bringing up 1 channel is invailied. also it costs alot more than xbox live

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

Did you know that Square Enix placed ads in Deus Ex loading screens with the newest update?

And what about games like Crackdown where there are ads everywhere on billboards?

peterw007

Just like product placement in movies, if it's implemented effectively (like in Crackdown) then I'm perfectly okay with it.

Like someone said, it's the "out-of-place" ads like on the Microsoft dashboard that I dislike.

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY right into Microsoft's wallet for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just unjust an business practice.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices: a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

peterw007

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

No, you pay for the cable service and the hardware.

With premium channels like HBO, you get ad-free content because you pay them a subscription.

The same should be true with Microsoft.

peterw007

Oh, you silly Americans and your ad-dominated lives.

Thats funny, because a second ago you were talking about the product placement in Crackdown like it was a huge problem. Why do I get the feeling that you are all of a sudden "perfectly okay with it", once I posted a PS3 exclusive doing the same thing?

StrongDeadlift

1. I am not even remotely a PS3 fanboy.

2. I never said well-placed ads are a bad thing, I just wanted to point out the existence of them, and Crackdown was the first example I thought of.

I want this post to be a sticky :P.

I totally agree with you, TC. Complaining about this is ridiculous. I don't even pay attention to them at all.

oh you silly foreigners using your go to move of looking down on america when you dont have a valid argumentmems_1224

The world is not all about America... and this is very much America's problem.

The XMB + Wii Menu don't have advertisements, so neither should the Xbox 360 Dashboard.

PSN, I understand the advertisements because the service is free. But XBL?

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It's a contextual issue... competing services don't have it, so there's no reason why Microsoft should have it.

Maybe advertisements permeate other forms of American media, but it's not nearly as accepted in video games.

Almost all of the 'ads' on Xbox Live are promotions for stuff you can buy with a click of a button. They're more informative than anything.

I consider a true ad for a product is when I have to get up from my Xbox and buy it either via my PC or leaving the house.

You just brought my attention to the fact that there are adds, I didn't even notice.

This has to be the stupidest arguement I have ever seen brought up against the 360, and I am a COW. Really? The ads that "cover" the dashboard? Funny, Im on the 360 dashboard right now, and on the Spotlight section (the 360 equivalent of the "whats new" section on PS3), and right now I dont see a single non-game related ad on the system. There is usually ONE ad up there, like a Nissan ad or something, but you have to actively go out of your way to see it.

This is how you identify people who do not own 360s or regularly play them, if you are pointing this out as a legitimate concern to your gaming experience.

These are the ads you are complaining about:

You will spend an entire 4 seconds in this screen. Also, note that this is the ONLY non 360 gaming related ad in this section, and I had to scroll through like 10 the ads just to find it. Every single ad on there except this Nissan one is advertising something 360 related. Right now, there is an ad for Gears 3, an ad for extending your XBL for $1, some s*** about Kinect, an add for Fifa12, and a host of other 360 related things. The Nissan ad was actually 7 ads down. Are you telling me that this bothers you?

But lets look at PS3.....would you look at that! an ad for Lil' Wayne's "the Carter 4" on PS3, and the movie THOR. I guess your PS3 gaming experience is ruined :roll: . (also, note that after taking this picture, there is a footbal ad up there for Direct TV "NFL Sunday Ticket". Guess that ruins your experience huh?

The thing about it is...who cares? Not only do you spend 4 seconds on here, you have to actively go out of your way just to even see the ads. This is the stupidest arguement I have ever seen a PS3 fanboy use to discredit the 360, and I am a Cow.

Can any 360 owners ever say that they have been bothered by this? (or even acknowleged the existence of these ads?)

StrongDeadlift

[QUOTE="coltgames"]that lil wayne ad is there because of sonys music unlimited service on psn it is not a ad that has nothing to do with the 360 services like that nissan advertisementStrongDeadlift

That is an app that you can install on your ps3 just like Netflix. There are also apps for MLB.tv and NHL something or other.

Additionally, your comparison between ads on the 360 dashboard and the ps3's xmb break down because you can set the ps3 to not boot to the "What's New" section, thus completely ignoring it altogether.

Furthermore, the problem with ads on the 360's dashboard are not because ads are bad, it's because ads are pad for a paid service. Any ad-supported website I've been to have options to disable ads once you become a paid subscriber, while free users cannot disable them.

[QUOTE="coltgames"]that lil wayne ad is there because of sonys music unlimited service on psn it is not a ad that has nothing to do with the 360 services like that nissan advertisementStrongDeadlift

It's the principle of the matter.

We PAY MONEY right into Microsoft's wallet for the right to use Xbox Live.

Having any kind of ads...even if relatively unobtrusive, is just unjust an business practice.

Either they rise the costs of subscription, or they offer tiered prices: a "Cheaper with ads," and an "Ad-free" model.

peterw007

Hell, PS3 can't even do cross game chat or changes users without exiting the game completely.

Oh, you silly Americans and your ad-dominated lives.

peterw007