To those who say bluray isn't necessary

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

Optical media discs are last gen. (for gaming)

Too many problems, PC has been fine for year with a HDD. Next gen at least we'll just install games to HDD and that's it. (yeah, I know, ironic)

Bluray isn't necessary now, however it is a nice thing to have if you want to make a massive game.

I'm putting my bets that it will be necessary for next gen systems due to the want of higher quality sound files and higher res textures.

I know it doesn't have an impact on the game unless the disc is indeed damaged, but it's indeed nice to have PS3 game discs that look as pristine as they did 1 year later and after playing through the game so many times. The DVDs on PC games e.g. just look horrible. Wzierbovsky

i haven't seen games that are bigger than fallout 3, mass effect, and gta 4 yet. It probably will be necessary next gen, but this gen it's notEndorphinMaster

Its not needed. Im pretty sure games like MGS4 did not take up 50 gigs of space. I bet most of it was uncompressed audio.

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]i haven't seen games that are bigger than fallout 3, mass effect, and gta 4 yet. It probably will be necessary next gen, but this gen it's nottktomo01

he's talking about land mass me thinks.

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

patriots7672

[QUOTE="tktomo01"][QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]i haven't seen games that are bigger than fallout 3, mass effect, and gta 4 yet. It probably will be necessary next gen, but this gen it's notswazidoughman

he's talking about land mass me thinks.

no i'm talking about the general scale of the game, including length and graphics. and yes, OB and Brawl count as well

It is necessary. I have a surround system, so I can hear when a shotgun is'nt a shotgun or when a steel door falls to the ground and it is'nt made of steel. Though I would say that this also goes down to what the developers thinks is necessary. Like UT3 sucks in sound though it was made for the PS3, but it was probably a port from the PC version.

The worst case however, is FarCry 2..OMG!!! the developers must have been drugged when they made the sound sampling. But I guess since it is a big open world game, they needed to use the DVD space on other stuff. Noticed how fast they talk in FC2??? To keep the samples short.

The PS3 runs 7.1 PCM on most exclusives, and the sampling can be as long and as many as you want it to be. I allways thought BD was needed this gen, I knew it last gen. HOW will they be able to make a game like GTA SA on the X360? When GTA SA on the PS2 was 3 times bigger than GTA3. GTA 4 maxed the DVD and it's 12GB on PC. So thanks to MS we won't see a game like GTA SA this gen.

And MS can't force people to install games either since not all X360's has a hdd. So digital distribusion goes out the window.

If I were to strip out a PS3 to its crutial components, the Blu-Ray recorded games are necessary. For you all to know, the Spanish version of the Blu-Ray article on Wikipedia states that the PS3 is capable of playing 400 GB, 16-layer Blu-Ray discs (it has linked info. sources).

With such a disc, PS3 games should boast of having sooo much content, unavailable to multi-layered DVDs (360) & dual-layered DVD like discs (Wii). That also means that the PS3 is ready to withstand a long market life, allowing for many of the multiplatform titles of the 8th gen to be recorded & developed for this console.

Interesting. Blu Ray discs are unscratchable and they can hold more high definition video and audio. That's great.

But, despite all of that, Blu Ray still isn't necessary. It's just a luxury at this point. Nothing more.

Scratches aren't a problem if you take care of your games. You don't need 25GB of data to make a game.Rocky32189

Metal Gear Soid 4 needed more than 25 GB in order to be recorded for the PS3, so that's an example against your argument. In fact, it needed data compression in order to fit inside a 50 GB, dual-layer Blu-Ray Disc (Wikipedia: Metal Gear Solid 4). I would imagine that Heavy Rain will require to be recorded on a two-layered Blu-Ray Disc, as well as some other future PS3 exclusives.

>>> Blu-ray

Disc-based storage mediums in gaming are on their way out. They are just becoming too inefficient compared to hard-disk drives for game content accessibility.foxhound_fox

It's going to be a while before consoles are as DD rich as PCs.

Highest quality audio and video aren't needed to play a game, nor make it good. As for scratches, if you're paying over $60 a game for most of them, you should already be taking care of them.Legendaryscmt

Metal Gear Soid 4 needed more than 25 GB in order to be recorded for the PS3, so that's an example against your argument.

It's going to be a while before consoles are as DD rich as PCs.swazidoughman

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]Scratches aren't a problem if you take care of your games. You don't need 25GB of data to make a game.DragonxanderPR

Metal Gear Soid 4 needed more than 25 GB in order to be recorded for the PS3, so that's an example against your argument.

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]Scratches aren't a problem if you take care of your games. You don't need 25GB of data to make a game.DragonxanderPR

Metal Gear Soid 4 needed more than 25 GB in order to be recorded for the PS3, so that's an example against your argument. In fact, it needed data compression in order to fit inside a 50 GB, dual-layer Blu-Ray Disc (Wikipedia: Metal Gear Solid 4). I would imagine that Heavy Rain will require to be recorded on a two-layered Blu-Ray Disc, as well as some other future PS3 exclusives.

But name one other game that needs that many cutscenes at those lengths. MGS4 is that big because the cutscenes were just insanely long (game wise). I have yet to see another game that needs cutscenes that long, so then they wouldn't need that much space.

>>> Blu-ray

Disc-based storage mediums in gaming are on their way out. They are just becoming too inefficient compared to hard-disk drives for game content accessibility.foxhound_fox

Does Blu Ray make video games better? :|

Also what would be the point of having high def video and sound, if you don't have an HDTV and surround sound speakers and such? :|

Does Blu Ray make video games better? :|one_on_one

[QUOTE="one_on_one"]Does Blu Ray make video games better? :|Eddie-Vedder

Potentially, yes. Mostly though, it just allows devs to be lazy when it comes to compression.

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

patriots7672

While that is all good, that does not mean bluray is necessary for current generation gaming. Plus disk scratching isn't really an issue, considering how you should be treating your disks carefuly anyways. I have never had any of my games stop functoning due to disk scratches.

Perhaps next genration when the technology has advanced more bluray will be required.

[QUOTE="one_on_one"]Does Blu Ray make video games better? :|Eddie-Vedder

I edited my post. How can you take advantage of this superior audio without superior speakers? And what more content? Will the PS3 version of Fallout 3 and GTA IV have espisodic content too?

Highest quality audio and video aren't needed to play a game, nor make it good. As for scratches, if you're paying over $60 a game for most of them, you should already be taking care of them.Legendaryscmt

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

It is necessary to prevent mutil disc games. Lemmings and MS say its not because they dont have it in there system. How can you consider a console next Gen without it is my question. Its the next Gen data medium.Discs as in plural!!! You call that next Gen.djsifer01

You actually think Blurays are scratch proof? :lol:Grinning_Demon

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"]You actually think Blurays are scratch proof? :lol:Soulja_West

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="lebanese_boy"] WTF is this BS :? ? No disc on any retail store is scratch proof. Maybe Bluray is slightly more resistant but it can still get scratches as much any other discs. Developers can make games as big as they want to already and before bluray even saw the light of day. Ever heard of an HDD? That's the future my friend: Digital Distribution.Steppy_76

I love blu ray but to say blu ray is necessary and needed for gaming is like saying PC, 360, and Wii gaming isn't necessary since they don't use blu ray. In reality blu ray is needed more to sell high def movies on a hard copy format. And to really take advantage of these blu ray features, you'll need a high def television and a surround sound system. Sometimes I feel that blu ray is still ahead of its time because not even the PS3 can fully take advantage of it since you still have to install these games, due to slow blu ray disc reads.

Also blu rays aren't scratch PROOF, they are scratch RESISTANT. They have a special coating but a small number of blu ray movies does not have this special coating. Just google it, or matter of fact try it yourself. Get a nail or something sharp and try to scratch your blu ray discs if you're so confident. I love blu ray, but gaming would be fine with or without it.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="Soulja_West"] If you scratch a blu ray disc you can wipe it off with a cloth and the scratch is gone. I called that scratch proof.Soulja_West

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]Not if you scratch through the protective coating. Sony themselves call bluray discs scratch resistant, not scratchproof. They sure are harder to scratch, but certainly not impossible to scratch.Steppy_76

1. Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof?
2. Do they perform the highest quality video and audio?
3. And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

patriots7672

1. no, but for those of us that take care of our games, it's really not an issue.
2. No. But that isn't NEEDED to play a game
3. again, why does any one need that much storage today?