To those who say bluray isn't necessary

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Prove it, sonny.HuusAsking

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/gamefly-reacts-to-xbox-360-disc-scratching-2006013/

I know you can do this for basically any problem, but do quick google and a **** load of stuff comes up. How bad the problem is? No clue, but that doesn't mean it's not out there.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Prove it, sonny.shawn7324

Yeah I've heard of them & its because they either knock over their console while powered on or stupid enough to pick up & tilt it, either way its not like some unavoidable disaster like RROD therefore needs not be mentioned.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Prove it, sonny.shawn7324

Yeah I've heard of them & its because they either knock over their console while powered on or stupid enough to pick up & tilt it, either way its not like some unavoidable disaster like RROD therefore needs not be mentioned.

A big step forward, production costs associated with large Blu-Ray games are freaking crazy & no developer in their right mind would give the thumbs up on it unless they were nearly 100% sure it would sell massively.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm all for Blu-Ray extending the boundaries of console gaming & every one else should be as well, however it may be several years before its cheap enough to become a standard.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] About disc scratching? You haven't heard of all the problems people have with 360 scratching the discs?SpruceCaboose

Yeah I've heard of them & its because they either knock over their console while powered on or stupid enough to pick up & tilt it, either way its not like some unavoidable disaster like RROD therefore needs not be mentioned.

A big step forward, production costs associated with large Blu-Ray games are freaking crazy & no developer in their right mind would give the thumbs up on it unless they were nearly 100% sure it would sell massively.

shawn7324

[QUOTE="shawn7324"] If your constantly dropping your discs or laying them around then yeah I guess you would scratch them, however taking the disc from the case to the console & then back to the case isn't going to scratch the disc.SpruceCaboose

Really?

Yes really, I've had the Xbox 360 for some time now & no discs scratched up. If this is a problem then myself nor anyone I know of has ever experienced it. I don't mind letting others know of the Xbox 360's flaws as I've experienced them to the fullest (RROD & Faulty Disc Drive), but troubles with scratching discs just isn't one of them.

[QUOTE="shawn7324"]

A big step forward, production costs associated with large Blu-Ray games are freaking crazy & no developer in their right mind would give the thumbs up on it unless they were nearly 100% sure it would sell massively.

SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="shawn7324"]

A big step forward, production costs associated with large Blu-Ray games are freaking crazy & no developer in their right mind would give the thumbs up on it unless they were nearly 100% sure it would sell massively.

shawn7324

[QUOTE="shawn7324"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/16/xbox-360-scratching-discs-maybe-says-microsoft/

Really?SpruceCaboose

You are correct, I'm not everyone. However, all I can do is voice my opinion through my experiences.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="shawn7324"] Yes really, I've had the Xbox 360 for some time now & no discs scratched up. If this is a problem then myself nor anyone I know of has ever experienced it. shawn7324

You are correct, I'm not everyone. However, all I can do is voice my opinion through my experiences.

[QUOTE="shawn7324"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] You. You are not everyone. Not everyone has had RRoD either. Does not mean it does not exist. If MS is willing to say its likely, I think I would take their word over your anecdotal evidence.SpruceCaboose

You are correct, I'm not everyone. However, all I can do is voice my opinion through my experiences.

PS. I tried google before and only ended up with the Engadget article and copies of said article...none of which were on ZDNet, CNN, or otherwise. Tells me there isn't enough weight in the articles. Before telling people GIYF, show that it's true by providing the search terms that lead people to your evidence.

[QUOTE="shawn7324"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] You. You are not everyone. Not everyone has had RRoD either. Does not mean it does not exist. If MS is willing to say its likely, I think I would take their word over your anecdotal evidence.SpruceCaboose

You are correct, I'm not everyone. However, all I can do is voice my opinion through my experiences.

Since said confession may be false or made under duress. Like I said, let's see it from a netural and major perspective like ZDNet, CNN, or Consumer Reports. If they report it, then it's really become a serious issue.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="shawn7324"] Thats exactly what I'm want to argue, the potential for so much more content is available on PS3 games.SpruceCaboose

That's all I was saying from the start, it will be a big step forward until we see that potential fulfilled without the high costs associated with it Today. No Gamer in their right mind Fanboy or not should say they aren't looking forward to low cost full potential Blu-Ray video games being the norm.

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

patriots7672

If nothing else, one thing is proven by the fact that this thread is now on it's 12th page: a whole lot of people in SW don't know the meaning of the word "necessary."dsmccracken

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]If nothing else, one thing is proven by the fact that this thread is now on it's 12th page: a whole lot of people in SW don't know the meaning of the word "necessary."shawn7324

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] About disc scratching? You haven't heard of all the problems people have with 360 scratching the discs?SpruceCaboose

Yeah I've heard of them & its because they either knock over their console while powered on or stupid enough to pick up & tilt it, either way its not like some unavoidable disaster like RROD therefore needs not be mentioned.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="shawn7324"]

Yeah I've heard of them & its because they either knock over their console while powered on or stupid enough to pick up & tilt it, either way its not like some unavoidable disaster like RROD therefore needs not be mentioned.

delta3074

I wouldn't consider myself that lucky, 4 RROD & 1 bad disc drive.

Bluray may not be necessary, but its an IMPROVEMENT. hakanakumono

I don't think it's necessary ... but this is one of the best posts of the thread - it is an improved format.

I wouldn't consider myself that lucky, 4 RROD & 1 bad disc drive.shawn7324

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Since said confession may be false or made under duress. Like I said, let's see it from a netural and major perspective like ZDNet, CNN, or Consumer Reports. If they report it, then it's really become a serious issue.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Since said confession may be false or made under duress. Like I said, let's see it from a netural and major perspective like ZDNet, CNN, or Consumer Reports. If they report it, then it's really become a serious issue.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] nice...very good example. A link to AMD GAME! platform playing Race Driver GRID at 2560 X 1600 (XHD) Blu-Ray is not required for playing games. Sony should have allocated PS3's Blu-Ray budget towards the GPU (more than 8 ROPS) and video RAM.ronvalencia

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Duress? Are you seriously trying to say that someone was holding MS PR reps under fire? They made a statement. They went back and after taking time, re-issued the comment I posted. That is not duress. That is calculated PR speak to minimize an issue that they know exists.

Just stop. You are looking silly when you say that MS was bullied into saying their system scratches discs, since you are just being an MS apologist at this stage if you do that. SpruceCaboose

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

patriots7672

Blu Ray won't be effective untill Sony puts in a fast BD drive in the PS3.BBQSauceMan

What dose the PS3's blu-ray drive have to do with other blu-ray players? The PS3 is not driving the blu-ray market.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]That still doesn't rule out the possibility of a false report. Like I said, it it was such a big deal, why hasn't CNN, ZDNet (who's significant because they make print magazines and therefore subject to tighter regulations), or Consumer Reports given any lip to the report?delta3074

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] IS that why DVDs are still outselling Blu-Rays on a...what was it, fifteen to one basis?Verge_6

You do know CD's were $30 when thet first came out too, just like Blu-Ray. You can get DVD for $5, it should out sell Ble-Ray 15-1!!!

I guess I have to spell it out for you. DVD's should be out selling Blu-Ray, 6 DVD for the price of 1 blu-ray, whats so hard to understand about that?

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] IS that why DVDs are still outselling Blu-Rays on a...what was it, fifteen to one basis?clone01

You do know CD's were $30 when thet first came out too, just like Blu-Ray. You can get DVD for $5, it should out sell Ble-Ray 15-1!!!

What dose your statement have to do with my conversation?

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Tell me. Do you know a developer who has the time and more important the money to develop over 100GB of pure non-redundant game data? And considering the inevitable production costs involved with so much data, do you think they'd be able to recover the costs selling a $60 BD disc, also taking into account the costs of the pressing services and necessary marketing?clone01

I'm not gonna front, I dont know ANY developers personaly....do you?

The word "IS NOT" is a strong word, Metal Gear 4 needed blu-ray, 1 game or 10 games, the point is 1 game did need blu-ray so you can't say blu-ray "is not" needed because Metal Gear 4 proved that wrong.

ZDNet does tech stuff, too. In fact, I trust them more because they once did print publications (that put them under tighter scrutiny because of potential libel suits). I prefer them and cnet because of their media connections beyond the Internet (due to print and television connections) subject them to higher scrutiny. Perhaps that's why they didn't publish the Engadget article--because the report couldn't be substantiated enough.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

I'm not gonna front, I dont know ANY developers personaly....do you?

CubanBlunt

The word "IS NOT" is a strong word, Metal Gear 4 needed blu-ray, 1 game or 10 games, the point is 1 game did need blu-ray so you can't say blu-ray "is not" needed because Metal Gear 4 proved that wrong.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="clone01"] he probably doesn't, but he's just saying that blu-ray isn't necessary this gen, which it isn't.SpruceCaboose

The word "IS NOT" is a strong word, Metal Gear 4 needed blu-ray, 1 game or 10 games, the point is 1 game did need blu-ray so you can't say blu-ray "is not" needed because Metal Gear 4 proved that wrong.

Now, I'm only making this argument for the one game. Each game's needs can vary, and in general space is not the biggest issue.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

The word "IS NOT" is a strong word, Metal Gear 4 needed blu-ray, 1 game or 10 games, the point is 1 game did need blu-ray so you can't say blu-ray "is not" needed because Metal Gear 4 proved that wrong.

HuusAsking

Now, I'm only making this argument for the one game. Each game's needs can vary, and in general space is not the biggest issue.

since the cutscenes use the in-game engine, it doesnt take that much space. it is well known that they fill up the blu-ray with uncompressed audio, instead of compressed, which is the difference.

uncompressed audio is only good for 5.1 - 7.1 surround sound systems.... thats not needed for gaming

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

The word "IS NOT" is a strong word, Metal Gear 4 needed blu-ray, 1 game or 10 games, the point is 1 game did need blu-ray so you can't say blu-ray "is not" needed because Metal Gear 4 proved that wrong.

HuusAsking

Now, I'm only making this argument for the one game. Each game's needs can vary, and in general space is not the biggest issue.

Bravo...Excellent I love this post, and 360 fanboys won't be surprised that i do considering my username, but whatever.

These are indisputable facts that you listed, but if you haven't heard already from 360 fanboys you'll hear things like " well you don't need that much space or perfect audio and video for games, and you should already be taking care of your games at $65.00 each so they don't get scratched ".

They just don't get it, Sony has stated time and time again that the PS3 was built to last 10 years plus, and in much less time than that games will be using alot more than 9 to 12 gigs of space, 360 boys should look at there own Lost Odyssey game isn't that on like 3 or 4 discs, and what about Oblivion's Game of the Year Edition, PS3's fit's on one disc but the 360 version requires 2 for the expansions.

So it's already happening 360 boys just don't want to admit it, but trust me one or the other will happen Microsoft will either release a blu-ray model 360 or include the blu-ray in it's upcoming 360 successor.

bluray was used to make Sony beat HD DVD..........not for games.

its been 3 years and you guys still dont get it do u?????

bluray was used to make Sony beat HD DVD..........not for games.

its been 3 years and you guys still dont get it do u?????

Keep-the-Faith

you mean all those times that sony-exclusive devs claimed that they couldnt make a certain game without blu-ray were just lying?

no surprise...

[QUOTE="Keep-the-Faith"]

bluray was used to make Sony beat HD DVD..........not for games.

its been 3 years and you guys still dont get it do u?????

ogvampire

you mean all those times that sony-exclusive devs claimed that they couldnt make a certain game without blu-ray were just lying?

no surprise...

multiple disks and compression say hello.

nothing wrong with disk swapping, id take it over mandatory installs anyday.

bluray was used to make Sony beat HD DVD..........not for games.

its been 3 years and you guys still dont get it do u?????

Keep-the-Faith