To those who say bluray isn't necessary

Blurays aren't scratch proof...no current media is scratch proof.Andrew_Xavier

I have a Stanley knife and a belt sander here that say otherwise about your "Scratch-proofing" :twisted:

Its kinda sad when i PS3 defence threads main point is "Scratch-proofing" c'mon cows you need to get a grip on things.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Blurays aren't scratch proof...no current media is scratch proof.MasterDefender3

LOL yeah damn haters. This BD vs. DVD battle is like trying to defend CD against DVD, a lost cause.

i haven't seen games that are bigger than fallout 3, mass effect, and gta 4 yet. It probably will be necessary next gen, but this gen it's notEndorphinMaster

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

patriots7672

I own a PS3, I just want to address some of yout points?

1) Scratch proof disk, I like the fact that blu-ray disk can play when scratched, but some people take care of there disk so thats not a issue with some people.....but I see what you're saying.

2) 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb blu-ray limits, the whole world know the benefits of this expect the 360nation. About the highest quality for games, all I can say is not yet, but it will. Videos....yes

Only the 360nation thinks the PS3 failed while the world realize what the PS3 can do and will do..........this is my 2 cents, keep the change!!!

[QUOTE="MasterDefender3"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Blurays aren't scratch proof...no current media is scratch proof.glez13

LOL yeah damn haters. This BD vs. DVD battle is like trying to defend CD against DVD, a lost cause.

[QUOTE="MasterDefender3"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Blurays aren't scratch proof...no current media is scratch proof.glez13

LOL yeah damn haters. This BD vs. DVD battle is like trying to defend CD against DVD, a lost cause.

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="MasterDefender3"] Scratch resistant ! Anyway...Only haters think bad of BD. dsmccracken

LOL yeah damn haters. This BD vs. DVD battle is like trying to defend CD against DVD, a lost cause.

Scratch resistant ! Anyway...Only haters think bad of BD. MasterDefender3

LOL yeah damn haters. This BD vs. DVD battle is like trying to defend CD against DVD, a lost cause.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="glez13"]

LOL yeah damn haters. This BD vs. DVD battle is like trying to defend CD against DVD, a lost cause.

PoppaGamer

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Blurays aren't scratch proof...no current media is scratch proof.MasterDefender3

2) 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb blu-ray limits, the whole world know the benefits of this expect the 360nation. About the highest quality for games, all I can say is not yet, but it will. Videos....yes

CubanBlunt

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] IS that why DVDs are still outselling Blu-Rays on a...what was it, fifteen to one basis?Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] Is that why BD has actually grown at a faster rate than DVD's in certain regions like Europe?HuusAsking

Comparing a format that everyone has adapted to already to a new format is what isn't fair.

When you compare the two, you can see that bluray is not unhealthy in terms of growth - otherwise DVD wouldn't have made it either. Everyone has a DVD player. Not everyone has a bluray player. Naturally DVDs are going to sell more.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] Call me when they actually start meeting half of DVD monthly sales figures, please. This whole "Well, x product might not be beating y product...but x sure as hell is selling at a faster rate than y did at this certain date in the past!" trend I'm seeing on this board is pretty sad.hakanakumono

Comparing a format that everyone has adapted to already to a new format is what isn't fair.

When you compare the two, you can see that bluray is not unhealthy in terms of growth - otherwise DVD wouldn't have made it either. Everyone has a DVD player. Not everyone has a bluray player. Naturally DVDs are going to sell more.

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="MasterDefender3"] Scratch resistant ! Anyway...Only haters think bad of BD. Verge_6

LOL yeah damn haters. This BD vs. DVD battle is like trying to defend CD against DVD, a lost cause.

You do know CD's were $30 when thet first came out too, just like Blu-Ray. You can get DVD for $5, it should out sell Ble-Ray 15-1!!!

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] IS that why DVDs are still outselling Blu-Rays on a...what was it, fifteen to one basis?Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="glez13"]

LOL yeah damn haters. This BD vs. DVD battle is like trying to defend CD against DVD, a lost cause.

CubanBlunt

You do know CD's were $30 when thet first came out too, just like Blu-Ray. You can get DVD for $5, it should out sell Ble-Ray 15-1!!!

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="glez13"]

LOL yeah damn haters. This BD vs. DVD battle is like trying to defend CD against DVD, a lost cause.

CubanBlunt

You do know CD's were $30 when thet first came out too, just like Blu-Ray. You can get DVD for $5, it should out sell Ble-Ray 15-1!!!

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

2) 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb blu-ray limits, the whole world know the benefits of this expect the 360nation. About the highest quality for games, all I can say is not yet, but it will. Videos....yes

HuusAsking

I'm not gonna front, I dont know ANY developers personaly....do you?

The dvd is outdated. The X360 has been maxing out the DL DVD since launch. It can't have more than 6.8GB of gamedata on the disc because MS requires some other data on the rest of the disc, meaning the developers needs to use a lot of tricks to make the game fit. GTA 4 is 12GB on PC, and we all know the GTA games are only getting bigger.

So what will they do next gen then, fit a big HDD in each console and force people to download every game? Or will they have to sit and install 4 dvd's per game? And what happens when that HDD with all your games fails, which it will at some point. Or when you want to bring a game over to a friend. Admit it, BD is needed for gaming. And when the next gen hits, the BD drives will be a lot quicker and better.

The dvd is outdated. The X360 has been maxing out the DL DVD since launch. It can't have more than 6.8GB of gamedata on the disc because MS requires some other data on the rest of the disc, meaning the developers needs to use a lot of tricks to make the game fit. GTA 4 is 12GB on PC, and we all know the GTA games are only getting bigger.

So what will they do next gen then, fit a big HDD in each console and force people to download every game? Or will they have to sit and install 4 dvd's per game? And what happens when that HDD with all your games fails, which it will at some point. Or when you want to bring a game over to a friend. Admit it, BD is needed for gaming. And when the next gen hits, the BD drives will be a lot quicker and better.

Martin_G_N

GTA IV may be bigger on PC but that doesn't mean anything. For all intents and purposes, aside from the ability to record videos in game and spiffier graphics, GTA IV on the PC is the same game as it is on consoles. So that 12 GB size doesn't mean anything.

Next generation, who knows what could happen? Microsoft could license Blu Ray technology for use in their new system (and Sony couldn't stop them if the other members of the BDA approved it). But until then, I don't seem to have any problem with playing games on DVDs in my Xbox 360, and seeing as games are still being made for DVDs, and the average game doesn't even fill a DVD, let alone spill over into a second disc, that totally destroys the argument for Blu Ray's necessity. :)

It's a luxury at this point, nothing more.

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

The dvd is outdated. The X360 has been maxing out the DL DVD since launch. It can't have more than 6.8GB of gamedata on the disc because MS requires some other data on the rest of the disc, meaning the developers needs to use a lot of tricks to make the game fit. GTA 4 is 12GB on PC, and we all know the GTA games are only getting bigger.

So what will they do next gen then, fit a big HDD in each console and force people to download every game? Or will they have to sit and install 4 dvd's per game? And what happens when that HDD with all your games fails, which it will at some point. Or when you want to bring a game over to a friend. Admit it, BD is needed for gaming. And when the next gen hits, the BD drives will be a lot quicker and better.

The_Game21x

GTA IV may be bigger on PC but that doesn't mean anything. For all intents and purposes, aside from the ability to record videos in game and spiffier graphics, GTA IV on the PC is the same game as it is on consoles. So that 12 GB size doesn't mean anything.

Next generation, who knows what could happen? Microsoft could license Blu Ray technology for use in their new system (and Sony couldn't stop them if the other members of the BDA approved it). But until then, I don't seem to have any problem with playing games on DVDs in my Xbox 360, and seeing as games are still being made for DVDs, and the average game doesn't even fill a DVD, let alone spill over into a second disc, that totally destroys the argument for Blu Ray's necessity. :)

It's a luxury at this point, nothing more.

2) 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb blu-ray limits, the whole world know the benefits of this expect the 360nation. About the highest quality for games, all I can say is not yet, but it will. Videos....yes

I'm not gonna front, I dont know ANY developers personaly....do you?

The dvd is outdated. The X360 has been maxing out the DL DVD since launch. It can't have more than 6.8GB of gamedata on the disc because MS requires some other data on the rest of the disc, meaning the developers needs to use a lot of tricks to make the game fit. GTA 4 is 12GB on PC, and we all know the GTA games are only getting bigger.

So what will they do next gen then, fit a big HDD in each console and force people to download every game? Or will they have to sit and install 4 dvd's per game? And what happens when that HDD with all your games fails, which it will at some point. Or when you want to bring a game over to a friend. Admit it, BD is needed for gaming. And when the next gen hits, the BD drives will be a lot quicker and better.

Martin_G_N

Bluray should be in every 360 and Wii just as HDMI and Component should be. It should be the standard so game devs can make the very best games they can and be able to push gaming to better higher heights and the discs that are being used by the 2 leading consoles are hurting this progress. Unscratchable discs like Bluray are also needed because kids handle the discs and other things can happen that can scratch them. HDDs and Ethernet are standards and 4p splitscreen games are abundant. The PS3 uses games that you can play more than 4 players like Smackdown VS RAW with 6 players and others. Sony is trying to push gaming to new levels and other media and should be applauded instead of ridiculed.patriots7672

Bluray should be in every 360 and Wii just as HDMI and Component should be. It should be the standard so game devs can make the very best games they can and be able to push gaming to better higher heights and the discs that are being used by the 2 leading consoles are hurting this progress. Unscratchable discs like Bluray are also needed because kids handle the discs and other things can happen that can scratch them. HDDs and Ethernet are standards and 4p splitscreen games are abundant. The PS3 uses games that you can play more than 4 players like Smackdown VS RAW with 6 players and others. Sony is trying to push gaming to new levels and other media and should be applauded instead of ridiculed.patriots7672

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]Bluray should be in every 360 and Wii just as HDMI and Component should be. It should be the standard so game devs can make the very best games they can and be able to push gaming to better higher heights and the discs that are being used by the 2 leading consoles are hurting this progress. Unscratchable discs like Bluray are also needed because kids handle the discs and other things can happen that can scratch them. HDDs and Ethernet are standards and 4p splitscreen games are abundant. The PS3 uses games that you can play more than 4 players like Smackdown VS RAW with 6 players and others. Sony is trying to push gaming to new levels and other media and should be applauded instead of ridiculed.ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="patriots7672"]Bluray should be in every 360 and Wii just as HDMI and Component should be. It should be the standard so game devs can make the very best games they can and be able to push gaming to better higher heights and the discs that are being used by the 2 leading consoles are hurting this progress. Unscratchable discs like Bluray are also needed because kids handle the discs and other things can happen that can scratch them. HDDs and Ethernet are standards and 4p splitscreen games are abundant. The PS3 uses games that you can play more than 4 players like Smackdown VS RAW with 6 players and others. Sony is trying to push gaming to new levels and other media and should be applauded instead of ridiculed.clone01

All that you mentioned are advantages to BD, which I absolutely love btw!

But it is not necessary and it never will be. Nor is DVD, CD, etc et...

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

patriots7672

Either way, more space is needed, hdd or blu-ray.

Blu-ray does work, both in terms of movies and games.

Mgs4 made good use of blu-ray, i think big games coming out will do also.

Besides, all this is a step forward.

Either way, more space is needed, hdd or blu-ray.

Blu-ray does work, both in terms of movies and games.

Mgs4 made good use of blu-ray, i think big games coming out will do also.

Besides, all this is a step forward.

g0ddyX

Never had a disc scratch cause I take care of my games. Sound/picture quality mean nothing see the wii for further proof. Size see oblivion, fallout, gtaiv

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Never had a disc scratch cause I take care of my games. Sound/picture quality mean nothing see the wii for further proof. Size see oblivion, fallout, gtaiv

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CreepyBacon

There are A LOT of 360 owners that disagree with you.

Sound/picture quality mean nothing? What the **** ?

seeing as how the majority of console owners dont have a HD tv or have a 5.1 setup, it's deemed as unnecessary KGB32

I totally agree.

And in the end, most HD video watchers don't want their player tied to a console - they want it tied to their surround [or independent].

[QUOTE="CreepyBacon"]

Never had a disc scratch cause I take care of my games. Sound/picture quality mean nothing see the wii for further proof. Size see oblivion, fallout, gtaiv

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Chutebox

There are A LOT of 360 owners that disagree with you.

Sound/picture quality mean nothing? What the **** ?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="CreepyBacon"]

Never had a disc scratch cause I take care of my games. Sound/picture quality mean nothing see the wii for further proof. Size see oblivion, fallout, gtaiv

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HuusAsking

There are A LOT of 360 owners that disagree with you.

Sound/picture quality mean nothing? What the **** ?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

There are A LOT of 360 owners that disagree with you.

Sound/picture quality mean nothing? What the **** ?

Chutebox

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

There are A LOT of 360 owners that disagree with you.

Sound/picture quality mean nothing? What the **** ?

Chutebox

Yeah I've heard of them & its because they either knock over their console while powered on or stupid enough to pick up & tilt it, either way its not like some unavoidable disaster like RROD therefore needs not be mentioned.