To those who say bluray isn't necessary

Highest quality audio and video aren't needed to play a game, nor make it good. As for scratches, if you're paying over $60 a game for most of them, you should already be taking care of them.Legendaryscmt

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

1. Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof?
2. Do they perform the highest quality video and audio?
3. And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

BuryMe

1. no, but for those of us that take care of our games, it's really not an issue.
2. No. But that isn't NEEDED to play a game
3. again, why does any one need that much storage today?

Highest quality audio and video aren't needed to play a game, nor make it good. As for scratches, if you're paying over $60 a game for most of them, you should already be taking care of them.Legendaryscmt

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Highest quality audio and video aren't needed to play a game, nor make it good. As for scratches, if you're paying over $60 a game for most of them, you should already be taking care of them.12345678ew

[QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="patriots7672"]

1. Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof?
2. Do they perform the highest quality video and audio?
3. And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

12345678ew

1. no, but for those of us that take care of our games, it's really not an issue.
2. No. But that isn't NEEDED to play a game
3. again, why does any one need that much storage today?

2, I neer said it wasn't nice, i just said it's not necessary.

I already responded to the other one.

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

lebanese_boy

I love blu ray but to say blu ray is necessary and needed for gaming is like saying PC, 360, and Wii gaming isn't necessary since they don't use blu ray. In reality blu ray is needed more to sell high def movies on a hard copy format. And to really take advantage of these blu ray features, you'll need a high def television and a surround sound system. Sometimes I feel that blu ray is still ahead of its time because not even the PS3 can fully take advantage of it since you still have to install these games, due to slow blu ray disc readsone_on_one

Maybe it's because the PS3 doesn't needs yet to exploit Blu-Rays, that's more likely to happen during the 8th gen, when all the consoles would be at least as powerful as the PS3. By that time, games are more likely to have much more content, so -in order to keep up with game designing- the PS3 is able to support Blu-Ray discs of up to 400 GB/16-layers. Although I consider it somwwhat exagerated, since the PS3's graphic RAM is 256 MB & its geenral RAM is 256 MB as well.

[QUOTE="12345678ew"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]

1. no, but for those of us that take care of our games, it's really not an issue.
2. No. But that isn't NEEDED to play a game
3. again, why does any one need that much storage today?

BuryMe

2, I neer said it wasn't nice, i just said it's not necessary.

I already responded to the other one.

It's actually overloaded with Audio.

Since the cutscenes are rendered in realtime they can just re-use stuff like textures, models and animations.

However, with those long cutscenes there is also some nice long high quality sound files that take up a good amount of space.

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="lebanese_boy"] WTF is this BS :? ? No disc on any retail store is scratch proof. Maybe Bluray is slightly more resistant but it can still get scratches as much any other discs. Developers can make games as big as they want to already and before bluray even saw the light of day. Ever heard of an HDD? That's the future my friend: Digital Distribution.Steppy_76

I opened this thread and all I saw was typical, a fanboy over inflating a platforms individual merits to appear superior :roll:

How many PS3 users care about uncompressed audio? I mean really? It seems here at times that the entire playstation audience turned into audiophiles the moment they discovered their platform supported it better. I say supported it better because you don't need Blu-ray or Cell for lossless audio, not that you can tell the way it is portrayed on here.

Of course while boasting about their perceived superiority the OP forgot the PS3 is suffering from slow read speed because of early adoption...

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

patriots7672

not only that I won't go into details about how sony devs have specifically said that blue ray is used to enhance capacity, 7.1 sound, animation, in game cutscenes, texture etc because angry and jealous lemmings will come up here saying "sony devs are all liars it's not true believe us fanboys".

blue ray is also good for pyrating it has not been posible to steal blue rays which is a major plus that's why even the movie industry is using blue ray it is very beneficial while people will start stealing 360 games left and right cutting money that is suppose to go to m$ just look at PC and psp

Bluray isn't necessary, but neither are DVDS, CDs, powerful consoles, internet connections, etc.

But they do benefit gaming.

There's nothing wrong with moving forward, and saving everything to an HD simply isn't as practical if you want this generation to last you beyond this generation.

I opened this thread and all I saw was typical, a fanboy over inflating a platforms individual merits to appear superior :roll:

How many PS3 users care about uncompressed audio? I mean really? It seems here at times that the entire playstation audience turned into audiophiles the moment they discovered their platform supported it better. I say supported it better because you don't need Blu-ray or Cell for lossless audio, not that you can tell the way it is portrayed on here.

Of course while boasting about their perceived superiority the OP forgot the PS3 is suffering from slow read speed because of early adoption...

AnnoyedDragon

It's traditionally been very difficult to get audio to fit onto a disc and the quality has to suffer because of that.

I'm personally for Bluray because games can finally get dual track audio, like the original Siren which suffered from not having a Japanese voice option.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I opened this thread and all I saw was typical, a fanboy over inflating a platforms individual merits to appear superior :roll:

How many PS3 users care about uncompressed audio? I mean really? It seems here at times that the entire playstation audience turned into audiophiles the moment they discovered their platform supported it better. I say supported it better because you don't need Blu-ray or Cell for lossless audio, not that you can tell the way it is portrayed on here.

Of course while boasting about their perceived superiority the OP forgot the PS3 is suffering from slow read speed because of early adoption...

hakanakumono

It's traditionally been very difficult to get audio to fit onto a disc and the quality has to suffer because of that.

I'm personally for Bluray because games can finally get dual track audio, like the original Siren which suffered from not having a Japanese voice option.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="one_on_one"]Does Blu Ray make video games better? :|one_on_one

I edited my post. How can you take advantage of this superior audio without superior speakers? And what more content? Will the PS3 version of Fallout 3 and GTA IV have espisodic content too?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I opened this thread and all I saw was typical, a fanboy over inflating a platforms individual merits to appear superior :roll:

How many PS3 users care about uncompressed audio? I mean really? It seems here at times that the entire playstation audience turned into audiophiles the moment they discovered their platform supported it better. I say supported it better because you don't need Blu-ray or Cell for lossless audio, not that you can tell the way it is portrayed on here.

Of course while boasting about their perceived superiority the OP forgot the PS3 is suffering from slow read speed because of early adoption...

HuusAsking

It's traditionally been very difficult to get audio to fit onto a disc and the quality has to suffer because of that.

I'm personally for Bluray because games can finally get dual track audio, like the original Siren which suffered from not having a Japanese voice option.

Since when was gaming about suiting the average person?

No it wouldn't. Imported games like Siren are originally in Japanese and dubbed in English. While some games like .hack are able to fit both languages on disc, not all are. According to a developer who owns the website www.dreamdawn.com/sh/ the only reason Siren 2 would have been able to release dual track, which it did, would be by REMOVING something, obviously quality of sound or something else (Siren 2 seems to be a fairly large game and is one of the best looking on the PS2).

Let's think of a game that can apply to this generation: Final Fantasy XIII. While its not necessary to include both voices, it would be a nice idea to do so. Too bad its unlikely that it will because the dvd the xbox uses probably wont be able to fit the extra audio onto the game. If only bluray was the release format, it would be much more plausible.

I have owned every cd/dvd based system made for the last decade and i have NEVER scratched a game that i owned.

Blu Ray does not make a game look better in any way. Developers are not using the space for anything relevant.

The 7.1 lossless uncompressed audio from blu ray movies sure sounds nice IF you have a nice 7.1 audio receiver set up. I cant say i know of many games that actually support that feature.

Highest quality audio and video aren't needed to play a game, nor make it good. As for scratches, if you're paying over $60 a game for most of them, you should already be taking care of them.Legendaryscmt

YOu don't need awesome graphics to play a game either :|

geez, people sometimes...

Let's think of a game that can apply to this generation: Final Fantasy XIII. While its not necessary to include both voices, it would be a nice idea to do so. Too bad its unlikely that it will because the dvd the xbox uses probably wont be able to fit the extra audio onto the game. If only bluray was the release format, it would be much more plausible.

hakanakumono

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Hard Drive >>> Blu-ray

Disc-based storage mediums in gaming are on their way out. They are just becoming too inefficient compared to hard-disk drives for game content accessibility.Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

lebanese_boy

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

scratch proof? o really? try getting some sand paper onto it, anyway my hdd is superior in every way to a blu ray disk. imprezawrx500

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

patriots7672

If you're over the age of 12, and are still scratching disks, then there's a problem. And it's not with the disks, either.Verge_6

To be fair I have heard that 360s can scratch disks by themselves.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]If you're over the age of 12, and are still scratching disks, then there's a problem. And it's not with the disks, either.Espada12

To be fair I have heard that 360s can scratch disks by themselves.

To be fair I have heard that 360s can scratch disks by themselves. Espada12

scratch proof? o really? try getting some sand paper onto it, anyway my hdd is superior in every way to a blu ray disk. imprezawrx500

Can't HDDs get corrupted with things like firmware updates and encounter other problems? HDD also have the problem of having limited space. BluRays have the advantage of not taking up as much space on your hard drive.

[QUOTE="lebanese_boy"][QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

imprezawrx500

Why would you break a BluRay disc? You would have to try to.

You can break anythingi f you really want to.

Can't HDDs get corrupted with things like firmware updates and encounter other problems? HDD also have the problem of having limited space. BluRays have the advantage of not taking up as much space on your hard drive. hakanakumono

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]scratch proof? o really? try getting some sand paper onto it, anyway my hdd is superior in every way to a blu ray disk. rogelio22

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] WTF is this BS :? ? No disc on any retail store is scratch proof. Maybe Bluray is slightly more resistant but it can still get scratches as much any other discs. Developers can make games as big as they want to already and before bluray even saw the light of day. Ever heard of an HDD? That's the future my friend: Digital Distribution.hakanakumono

Why would you break a BluRay disc? You would have to try to.

You can break anythingi f you really want to.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Can't HDDs get corrupted with things like firmware updates and encounter other problems? HDD also have the problem of having limited space. BluRays have the advantage of not taking up as much space on your hard drive. foxhound_fox

But how much would it cost?

I'd rather have hard copies of all my games. They're guaranteed to last longer than downloads that may or may not be there in the future.

hopefully by 2012 or whenever the new gen comes, hdds will be big enough for digital distribution. then that will be the future. unless you don't have fast internet... So maybe blurays will exist. Who knows? We will see.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] agreed, dd can become mainstream and kill those stupid slow optical media that easily breaks. imprezawrx500

Why would you break a BluRay disc? You would have to try to.

You can break anythingi f you really want to.

Does the PS3 have a history of broken optical drives?

hopefully by 2012 or whenever the new gen comes, hdds will be big enough for digital distribution. then that will be the future. unless you don't have fast internet... So maybe blurays will exist. Who knows? We will see.

thesmiter

Games shouldn't be synonymous with downloading and fast internet speeds.