To those who say bluray isn't necessary

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

I'm sorry, If I dont have to install a game I'm not going to. Soul Calibur, Folklore, and Valkria Chronicles has optional installs that I didnt install. Only reason you said that is because the 360 has optional installs now.

CubanBlunt

Then thats the 360nation problem, all PS3's has hard drives. You can plug a external hard drive formated with fat 32 to the PS3 for storage if you want to.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

Can you put 33GB on 1 DVD......NO so YES, blu-ray was needed. If you can but a game on 1 disk, why in the world would you want it on 6 disk?

CubanBlunt

I'm sorry, If I dont have to install a game I'm not going to. Soul Calibur, Folklore, and Valkria Chronicles has optional installs that I didnt install. Only reason you said that is because the 360 has optional installs now.

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

Sorry, I can't hear the PC gamers. I'm too busy looking at Dark Knight blu-ray in 1080p.

:D

lolfaqs

Indeed, as does Lost season 4 in 1080p.

*drool*

Anyway, I will always prefer discs (or whatever the latest format is) over DD.DD is fine for DLC, expansions, music, movies I don't care enough about to buy on blu-ray, etc., but I still prefer to have a physical copy of my games.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

The word "IS NOT" is a strong word, Metal Gear 4 needed blu-ray, 1 game or 10 games, the point is 1 game did need blu-ray so you can't say blu-ray "is not" needed because Metal Gear 4 proved that wrong.

CubanBlunt

Can you put 33GB on 1 DVD......NO so YES, blu-ray was needed. If you can but a game on 1 disk, why in the world would you want it on 6 disk?

Its not want. Its need. Hence the term necessary. Its not needed, at all. Its desired. That is a want. Like I said, storage is storage.

Are Wii and 360 discs scratch proof? Do they perform the highest quality video and audio? And can they hold massive data 25gb, 50gb, 100gb, 150gb, 250gb?

As a PS3 owner I know my discs wont ever scratch. I know the devs aren't limited by space. And I know it will always perform at the highest quality for games and videos. And the PS3 games are the same price as a 360 game, but the PS3 game is on a much better disc.

I paid $100 more for my PS3 than for my 360, but I get so much more for it and I don't pay to play online.

It is necessary for preventing scratches, for having quality audio/video, and for allowing devs to make a game as big as they want to.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"]Very good question... which game for the PS3 matches those criteria, exactly?LosDaddie

I can confidently claim there will not be a game with MGS4's graphics and GTAIV's open-worldness on PS3....ever.

There is just nowhere near enough RAM or bandwidth for that to be possible.

Its not want. Its need. Hence the term necessary. Its not needed, at all. Its desired. That is a want. Like I said, storage is storage.

SpruceCaboose

Isn't that the same as saying going from cartridge to CD wasn't needed? Or that going from CD to DVD wasn't needed? etc.

None yet, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.HuusAsking

I can confidently claim there will not be a game with MGS4's graphics and GTAIV's open-worldness on PS3....ever.

There is just nowhere near enough RAM or bandwidth for that to be possible.

Its not want. Its need. Hence the term necessary. Its not needed, at all. Its desired. That is a want. Like I said, storage is storage.

Isn't that the same as saying going from cartridge to CD wasn't needed? Or that going from CD to DVD wasn't needed? etc.

Yeah dude but the PS3 is $400 (for 80gig) which is a crazy amount of money and the PS2 and X360 are only $200 PS2 is 130$ i think its a rip off

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]None yet, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.HuusAsking

I can confidently claim there will not be a game with MGS4's graphics and GTAIV's open-worldness on PS3....ever.

There is just nowhere near enough RAM or bandwidth for that to be possible.

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Its not want. Its need. Hence the term necessary. Its not needed, at all. Its desired. That is a want. Like I said, storage is storage.

dsmccracken

Isn't that the same as saying going from cartridge to CD wasn't needed? Or that going from CD to DVD wasn't needed? etc.

I think that's splitting hairs, honestly. They're still different forms of "storage mediums."

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Isn't that the same as saying going from cartridge to CD wasn't needed? Or that going from CD to DVD wasn't needed? etc.

lolfaqs

I think that's splitting hairs, honestly. They're still different forms of "storage mediums."

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

I can confidently claim there will not be a game with MGS4's graphics and GTAIV's open-worldness on PS3....ever.

There is just nowhere near enough RAM or bandwidth for that to be possible.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Bandwidth isn't an issue if limited to single player. And as for RAM, dynamic content caching is not new and in fact a common PS3 technique. Can be used here, too. So what's to stop a person from making a game so large and open that a 360 just can't cut it?HuusAsking

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Bandwidth isn't an issue if limited to single player. And as for RAM, dynamic content caching is not new and in fact a common PS3 technique. Can be used here, too. So what's to stop a person from making a game so large and open that a 360 just can't cut it?HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"] bandwidth is an issue, he's not talking about cable speeds but bus speeds and other inter connects inside the ps3. Basically there's too many bottlenecks for this to be a feasible ideasavagetwinkie

Another possible scenario: an Unreal Tournament-type shooter game but with so much model and map data that they can't fit on a DVD. However, since any given scenario can call for any of the resources made available, it has to all be in one place. Again, barring installation, a DVD wouldn't be able to hold say 15GB of data that could be accessed on a moment's notice.

Neither can be categorically ruled out since inroads to them have already been made and the remaining steps would not be stymied by the PS3's quirks, as it's all a matter of bulk data.

PS. And seeing as how people eventually came along and filled up CDs and then DVDs, there will come people who will fill up BDs, guaranteed.

When the point of the thread is whether Bluray is "necessary", the fact that it is NOT in fact necessary for all but one title released after three years seems to be a pretty important hair, if that is the hair being split. And even that one game could be done on multiple discs, showing... yup, you guessed it.... NOT NECESSARY.dsmccracken

Not really. New consoles and new technology will always push the envelope of what's available for developers. What the developers choose to do with it is up to them, but it's never technically "necessary" to ever upgrade consoles. Blu-ray may not be "necessary," but neither were DVDs or CD for gaming.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]If the PS3 can do GTA4 (and it's proven it can), then it can do something like it only vastly bigger.HuusAsking

Another possible scenario: an Unreal Tournament-type shooter game but with so much model and map data that they can't fit on a DVD. However, since any given scenario can call for any of the resources made available, it has to all be in one place. Again, barring installation, a DVD wouldn't be able to hold say 15GB of data that could be accessed on a moment's notice.

Neither can be categorically ruled out since inroads to them have already been made and the remaining steps would not be stymied by the PS3's quirks, as it's all a matter of bulk data.

PS. And seeing as how people eventually came along and filled up CDs and then DVDs, there will come people who will fill up BDs, guaranteed.

I know it doesn't have an impact on the game unless the disc is indeed damaged, but it's indeed nice to have PS3 game discs that look as pristine as they did 1 year later and after playing through the game so many times. The DVDs on PC games e.g. just look horrible. Wzierbovsky

That's what I said, but I forgot about people without high speed internet. Or any internet. What are they to do?thesmiter

But thats the thing, ps3 won't ever be able to use 15gb's at a moments notice since the ram limits about 512mb to be in use for gaming at any given time... you could stream it, but then they could just split up the cutscenes and make multiple discs with all the game data on every disc, kinda what they do now. There is no need for blu ray, and i can't see them being too relevant for gaming in the future. Especially if solid state drives come down in price, going back to cartridges would be the best move since there is no disc access times. Look at the size of some of the flash drives now any way, Blu ray isn't needed now, devs don't have the resources to really make the games that big any way since its costing them a fortune as it is. savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Bandwidth isn't an issue if limited to single player. And as for RAM, dynamic content caching is not new and in fact a common PS3 technique. Can be used here, too. So what's to stop a person from making a game so large and open that a 360 just can't cut it?HuusAsking

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]That's what I said, but I forgot about people without high speed internet. Or any internet. What are they to do?clone01

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]But thats the thing, ps3 won't ever be able to use 15gb's at a moments notice since the ram limits about 512mb to be in use for gaming at any given time... you could stream it, but then they could just split up the cutscenes and make multiple discs with all the game data on every disc, kinda what they do now. There is no need for blu ray, and i can't see them being too relevant for gaming in the future. Especially if solid state drives come down in price, going back to cartridges would be the best move since there is no disc access times. Look at the size of some of the flash drives now any way, Blu ray isn't needed now, devs don't have the resources to really make the games that big any way since its costing them a fortune as it is. HuusAsking

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]That's what I said, but I forgot about people without high speed internet. Or any internet. What are they to do?HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]But thats the thing, ps3 won't ever be able to use 15gb's at a moments notice since the ram limits about 512mb to be in use for gaming at any given time... you could stream it, but then they could just split up the cutscenes and make multiple discs with all the game data on every disc, kinda what they do now. There is no need for blu ray, and i can't see them being too relevant for gaming in the future. Especially if solid state drives come down in price, going back to cartridges would be the best move since there is no disc access times. Look at the size of some of the flash drives now any way, Blu ray isn't needed now, devs don't have the resources to really make the games that big any way since its costing them a fortune as it is. savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="clone01"] well, you can always load multiple DVD9 discs. its not ideal, but i'm just trying to demonstrate how Blu-Ray is not needed for gaming, as some posters here have contested.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]But thats the thing, ps3 won't ever be able to use 15gb's at a moments notice since the ram limits about 512mb to be in use for gaming at any given time... you could stream it, but then they could just split up the cutscenes and make multiple discs with all the game data on every disc, kinda what they do now. There is no need for blu ray, and i can't see them being too relevant for gaming in the future. Especially if solid state drives come down in price, going back to cartridges would be the best move since there is no disc access times. Look at the size of some of the flash drives now any way, Blu ray isn't needed now, devs don't have the resources to really make the games that big any way since its costing them a fortune as it is. HuusAsking

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Multiple DVDs are impractical for open-world games once they go beyond one disc in scope, as will "constructed" games like an UT game, where a given online contest can call upon any of a myriad of possibilities, all of which need to be at hand because of that unpredictability.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] you don't have any idea what your talking about, do you.... those possibilities in a game like UT are actually from people interactions that don't get stored on a disc...savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"](Makes an "over the head" whoosh) The players have to build player models and the game have to load maps. Guess where those have to come from when online is not available? It's the human influence on the in-game assets that requires everything to be in one place--because devs and programs cannot predict how a player will set up a player model or a game, which means there's no telling which game assets will be needed for a specific scenario.HuusAsking

I like how at first, you were going to talk about Blu Ray being nessacary, and then you went to just how much you got from your PS3. If you take care of your discs, well, no need to fear scratching. As far as data, video quality and audio, meh, Halo sounds better than most PS3 games, not with quality, but an amazing soundtrack. With my PS3 I really never took advantage of Blu Ray so, I could care less.tktomo01

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]That's what I said, but I forgot about people without high speed internet. Or any internet. What are they to do?HuusAsking

I love blu ray. I'm not even going to bother with the gaming side, some of the movie discs are incredible. Compare dvds alongside the blu ray versions of films like The Shining, The Nightmare Before Christmas and Dark City and you'll never want to watch a dvd again.albatrossdrums

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] But they limit what the players can do to be well within the restraints of the system, you can't load more then 512 on a map, unless your using a game like gta 4 which streams it, which then there are no extra settings. Its basicly loading graphics in and map data in constantly, everything else is pretty much the same in memory. So unless the system had more memory to be able make whats happening in game possible, or they start making games as large as MMO game worlds, theres no need fo Blu-Ray. savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]When the point of the thread is whether Bluray is "necessary", the fact that it is NOT in fact necessary for all but one title released after three years seems to be a pretty important hair, if that is the hair being split. And even that one game could be done on multiple discs, showing... yup, you guessed it.... NOT NECESSARY.lolfaqs

Not really. New consoles and new technology will always push the envelope of what's available for developers. What the developers choose to do with it is up to them, but it's never technically "necessary" to ever upgrade consoles. Blu-ray may not be "necessary," but neither were DVDs or CD for gaming.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Multiple DVDs are impractical for open-world games once they go beyond one disc in scope, as will "constructed" games like an UT game, where a given online contest can call upon any of a myriad of possibilities, all of which need to be at hand because of that unpredictability.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Multiple DVDs are impractical for open-world games once they go beyond one disc in scope, as will "constructed" games like an UT game, where a given online contest can call upon any of a myriad of possibilities, all of which need to be at hand because of that unpredictability.HuusAsking

Optical media discs are last gen. (for gaming)

Too many problems, PC has been fine for year with a HDD. Next gen at least we'll just install games to HDD and that's it. (yeah, I know, ironic)

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