To those who say bluray isn't necessary

One level in Killzone 2 uses about 8-10Gb of Data, so yea it is neededGregoric

[QUOTE="Gregoric"]One level in Killzone 2 uses about 8-10Gb of Data, so yea it is needed3picuri3

One level in Killzone 2 uses about 8-10Gb of Data, so yea it is neededGregoric

One level in Killzone 2 uses about 8-10Gb of Data, so yea it is neededGregoric

One level in Killzone 2 uses about 8-10Gb of Data, so yea it is neededGregoric

[QUOTE="Gregoric"]One level in Killzone 2 uses about 8-10Gb of Data, so yea it is neededThe_Game21x

it's on a developer walkthrough either on this site or on gametrailers, I'll try and find it.Gregoric

[QUOTE="Gregoric"]it's on a developer walkthrough either on this site or on gametrailers, I'll try and find it.BoloTheGreat

I'm not **** I wouldn't have bothered saying it otherwise. That's why I'm trying to find it...

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="Gregoric"]it's on a developer walkthrough either on this site or on gametrailers, I'll try and find it.Gregoric

I'm not **** I wouldn't have bothered saying it otherwise. That's why I'm trying to find it...

it's on a developer walkthrough either on this site or on gametrailers, I'll try and find it.Gregoric

Turns out I was wrong, one level of KZ2 is 2Gb in size...not sure where I got the 8 from. Still..that's quite a lot of space right there. That would be 25% of a Dual Layer DVD right?

edit: link: http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1765.html

Surely this proves that Blu-Rays are worth something?

Turns out I was wrong, one level of KZ2 is 2Gb in size...not sure where I got the 8 from. Still..that's quite a lot of space right there. That would be 25% of a Dual Layer DVD right?

edit: link: http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1765.html

Gregoric

Turns out I was wrong, one level of KZ2 is 2Gb in size...not sure where I got the 8 from. Still..that's quite a lot of space right there. That would be 25% of a Dual Layer DVD right?

edit: link: http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1765.html

Surely this proves that Blu-Rays are worth something?

Gregoric

Turns out I was wrong, one level of KZ2 is 2Gb in size...not sure where I got the 8 from. Still..that's quite a lot of space right there. That would be 25% of a Dual Layer DVD right?

edit: link: http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1765.html

Surely this proves that Blu-Rays are worth something?

Gregoric

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Gregoric"]One level in Killzone 2 uses about 8-10Gb of Data, so yea it is neededSupafly1

Yet for some odd reason, people are under this impression that Blu-Ray magically enhances graphics and gameplay.

So much for the argument that blu-ray movies are expensive. Amazon has slashed prices on Oscar movies to around $15. They also have a lot of other movies slashed toa bout $18.

tinyurl.com/bugpoz

Optical media discs are last gen. (for gaming)

Too many problems, PC has been fine for year with a HDD. Next gen at least we'll just install games to HDD and that's it. (yeah, I know, ironic)

Master-Thief-09

not unless you want to wait hours for your 25 gb game to download

[QUOTE="Master-Thief-09"]

Optical media discs are last gen. (for gaming)

Too many problems, PC has been fine for year with a HDD. Next gen at least we'll just install games to HDD and that's it. (yeah, I know, ironic)

PrinceofSarcasm

not unless you want to wait hours for your 25 gb game to download

So much for the argument that blu-ray movies are expensive. Amazon has slashed prices on Oscar movies to around $15. They also have a lot of other movies slashed toa bout $18.

tinyurl.com/bugpoz

lolfaqs

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

So much for the argument that blu-ray movies are expensive. Amazon has slashed prices on Oscar movies to around $15. They also have a lot of other movies slashed toa bout $18.

tinyurl.com/bugpoz

SpruceCaboose

Given how long blu-ray has been around compared to DVDs, blu-ray are cheap. The price will keep dropping too.

[QUOTE="Gregoric"]

Turns out I was wrong, one level of KZ2 is 2Gb in size...not sure where I got the 8 from. Still..that's quite a lot of space right there. That would be 25% of a Dual Layer DVD right?

edit: link: http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1765.html

Surely this proves that Blu-Rays are worth something?

BoloTheGreat

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="clone01"] as i said before, we are talking about necessity, not what is ideal. clone01

I cant believe that you have to switch disks in SO4 to go back to some towns... thats a step back for the RPG genre.. Its not a huge deal but still..Abicus7

[QUOTE="Abicus7"]I cant believe that you have to switch disks in SO4 to go back to some towns... thats a step back for the RPG genre.. Its not a huge deal but still..HuusAsking

Oh you can install? I never knew that. I withdraw my statement.

ouch, first New Yorkers got taxed for using Amazon.com, and now they might get taxed for downloads.

www.physorg.com/news154081299.html

ouch, first New Yorkers got taxed for using Amazon.com, and now they might get taxed for downloads.

www.physorg.com/news154081299.html

lolfaqs

Does this really belong here?

not unless you want to wait hours for your 25 gb game to download PrinceofSarcasm

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

ouch, first New Yorkers got taxed for using Amazon.com, and now they might get taxed for downloads.

www.physorg.com/news154081299.html

hakanakumono

Does this really belong here?

Yes indeed.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Abicus7"]I cant believe that you have to switch disks in SO4 to go back to some towns... thats a step back for the RPG genre.. Its not a huge deal but still..Abicus7

Oh you can install? I never knew that. I withdraw my statement.

[QUOTE="Abicus7"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Then install the game. No more swapping.HuusAsking

Oh you can install? I never knew that. I withdraw my statement.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Abicus7"]

Oh you can install? I never knew that. I withdraw my statement.

savagetwinkie

According to FutureSource Consulting.

http://press-releases.techwhack.com/33446-blu-ray-3

1. Consumers are on target to buy in excess of 100 million blu ray discs across the USA, Western Europe, and Japan in 2009.

2. In the U.S., BD has moved from early adopter phase through to early majority, with the format gaining real traction in the marketplace.

3. In 2008 in the U.S. alone, BD video retail sales increased 320% to 24 million units, and that momentum is expected to continue in 2009 with U.S. BD sales reaching over 80 million in the U.S.

4. By 2012, around 50% of the U.S. and 35% of Western Europe video disc retail sale volumes will be BD.

5. As BD players continue to drop quickly in price, we will see BD players become impulse purchases very soon.

6. Although movie downloads are making noises in the marketplace, mainstream adoption will be a much more gradual process, with a projected 12% of U.S. consumer expenditure on home video originating from online in 2012, with a slightly lower proportion in Europe.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

I can confidently claim there will not be a game with MGS4's graphics and GTAIV's open-worldness on PS3....ever.

There is just nowhere near enough RAM or bandwidth for that to be possible.

savagetwinkie

Thank you.

A game with MGS4's graphics and GTAIV's open world just isn't possible on PS3....or x360.I don't even know why this is even a debate.

According to FutureSource Consulting.

http://press-releases.techwhack.com/33446-blu-ray-3

1. Consumers are on target to buy in excess of 100 million blu ray discs across the USA, Western Europe, and Japan in 2009.

2. In the U.S., BD has moved from early adopter phase through to early majority, with the format gaining real traction in the marketplace.

3. In 2008 in the U.S. alone, BD video retail sales increased 320% to 24 million units, and that momentum is expected to continue in 2009 with U.S. BD sales reaching over 80 million in the U.S.

4. By 2012, around 50% of the U.S. and 35% of Western Europe video disc retail sale volumes will be BD.

5. As BD players continue to drop quickly in price, we will see BD players become impulse purchases very soon.

6. Although movie downloads are making noises in the marketplace, mainstream adoption will be a much more gradual process, with a projected 12% of U.S. consumer expenditure on home video originating from online in 2012, with a slightly lower proportion in Europe.

lolfaqs

Wow, I think those are the worst analysts I've ever seen then. 400 posts later and their is still no use for bluray.

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

According to FutureSource Consulting.

http://press-releases.techwhack.com/33446-blu-ray-3

1. Consumers are on target to buy in excess of 100 million blu ray discs across the USA, Western Europe, and Japan in 2009.

2. In the U.S., BD has moved from early adopter phase through to early majority, with the format gaining real traction in the marketplace.

3. In 2008 in the U.S. alone, BD video retail sales increased 320% to 24 million units, and that momentum is expected to continue in 2009 with U.S. BD sales reaching over 80 million in the U.S.

4. By 2012, around 50% of the U.S. and 35% of Western Europe video disc retail sale volumes will be BD.

5. As BD players continue to drop quickly in price, we will see BD players become impulse purchases very soon.

6. Although movie downloads are making noises in the marketplace, mainstream adoption will be a much more gradual process, with a projected 12% of U.S. consumer expenditure on home video originating from online in 2012, with a slightly lower proportion in Europe.

DaBrainz

Wow, I think those are the worst analysts I've ever seen then. 400 posts later and their is still no use for bluray.

NPD says 75% of gamers prefer retail over DD.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

According to FutureSource Consulting.

http://press-releases.techwhack.com/33446-blu-ray-3

1. Consumers are on target to buy in excess of 100 million blu ray discs across the USA, Western Europe, and Japan in 2009.

2. In the U.S., BD has moved from early adopter phase through to early majority, with the format gaining real traction in the marketplace.

3. In 2008 in the U.S. alone, BD video retail sales increased 320% to 24 million units, and that momentum is expected to continue in 2009 with U.S. BD sales reaching over 80 million in the U.S.

4. By 2012, around 50% of the U.S. and 35% of Western Europe video disc retail sale volumes will be BD.

5. As BD players continue to drop quickly in price, we will see BD players become impulse purchases very soon.

6. Although movie downloads are making noises in the marketplace, mainstream adoption will be a much more gradual process, with a projected 12% of U.S. consumer expenditure on home video originating from online in 2012, with a slightly lower proportion in Europe.

lolfaqs

Wow, I think those are the worst analysts I've ever seen then. 400 posts later and their is still no use for bluray.

NPD says 75% of gamers prefer retail over DD.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Wow, I think those are the worst analysts I've ever seen then. 400 posts later and their is still no use for bluray.

HuusAsking

NPD says 75% of gamers prefer retail over DD.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

NPD tracks DD, but they admit not very well yet. They do, however, track online game subscriptions. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out that PC gamers are outnumbered by console gamers. And the top selling PC game is a casual game, World of Warcraft. It's not Half Life 2, Crytek, Portal, or any of the other "hardcore" PC games. Hardcore PC gamers are a minority.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Bandwidth isn't an issue if limited to single player. And as for RAM, dynamic content caching is not new and in fact a common PS3 technique. Can be used here, too. So what's to stop a person from making a game so large and open that a 360 just can't cut it?LosDaddie

Thank you.

A game with MGS4's graphics and GTAIV's open world just isn't possible on PS3....or x360.I don't even know why this is even a debate.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

NPD says 75% of gamers prefer retail over DD.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

lolfaqs

NPD tracks DD, but they admit not very well yet. They do, however, track online game subscriptions. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out that PC gamers are outnumbered by console gamers. And the top selling PC game is a casual game, World of Warcraft. It's not Half Life 2, Crytek, Portal, or any of the other "hardcore" PC games. Hardcore PC gamers are a minority.

How many console gamers are out there? They'd better be somewhere in the 400 million range. Also consider that, outside of Japan and the US, PC is king. I mean, in South Korea, it's a professional sport, for goodness sakes. And PS. WoW is as far from casual as The Sims is from hardcore. Ask anyone who's tried to get far in Wrath of the Lich King.HuusAsking

And you have a source for that 400 million figure? WoW is a casual MMO. I played it for 4 years myself before I finally quit. If you don't think WoW attracted casuals, you're mistaken. That's why it has such low system requirements as well.

Also, South Korea is a very small country. I should know having been born there.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] bandwidth is an issue, he's not talking about cable speeds but bus speeds and other inter connects inside the ps3. Basically there's too many bottlenecks for this to be a feasible ideaHuusAsking

Thank you.

A game with MGS4's graphics and GTAIV's open world just isn't possible on PS3....or x360.I don't even know why this is even a debate.

What do you mean "quantity" ? :|

And yes, handling "bulk" has everything to do with bandwidth.

You sound like you know nothing about gaem development. Blu-ray is just a storage medium. It doesn't affect a game's size.

This problem is alot simpler to solve that what you think.

Give consoles a 2 terabyte drives (should be dirt cheap by then), and then make games on 2 or 3 (4 or 5 for RPGS) DVDs. Pack them in a box like PC games and make

people install the 2nd or 3rd dics, make the first one required to play.

BOOM PORBLEM SOLVED.

Also, make them standard HDD, not propietary. The choice for SSD would be VERUY nice, no loading times FTW.

This problem is alot simpler to solve that what you think.

Give consoles a 2 terabyte drives (should be dirt cheap by then), and then make games on 2 or 3 (4 or 5 for RPGS) DVDs. Pack them in a box like PC games and make

people install the 2nd or 3rd dics, make the first one required to play.

BOOM PORBLEM SOLVED.

Also, make them standard HDD, not propietary. The choice for SSD would be VERUY nice, no loading times FTW.

darkguy_101

[QUOTE="darkguy_101"]

This problem is alot simpler to solve that what you think.

Give consoles a 2 terabyte drives (should be dirt cheap by then), and then make games on 2 or 3 (4 or 5 for RPGS) DVDs. Pack them in a box like PC games and make

people install the 2nd or 3rd dics, make the first one required to play.

BOOM PORBLEM SOLVED.

Also, make them standard HDD, not propietary. The choice for SSD would be VERUY nice, no loading times FTW.

SpruceCaboose

They have always been gimped PCs.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="darkguy_101"]

This problem is alot simpler to solve that what you think.

Give consoles a 2 terabyte drives (should be dirt cheap by then), and then make games on 2 or 3 (4 or 5 for RPGS) DVDs. Pack them in a box like PC games and make

people install the 2nd or 3rd dics, make the first one required to play.

BOOM PORBLEM SOLVED.

Also, make them standard HDD, not propietary. The choice for SSD would be VERUY nice, no loading times FTW.

darkguy_101

They have always been gimped PCs.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Thank you.

A game with MGS4's graphics and GTAIV's open world just isn't possible on PS3....or x360.I don't even know why this is even a debate.

LosDaddie

What do you mean "quantity" ? :|

And yes, handling "bulk" has everything to do with bandwidth.

You sound like you know nothing about gaem development. Blu-ray is just a storage medium. It doesn't affect a game's size.

So....make consoles gimped PCs?darkguy_101

They have always been gimped PCs.