Two Years Until Core Wii Gaming?

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

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I'm done being pissed, I'm simply tired of this. I recently found out I'll be getting a Wii gratis, it's in the mail to my house as we speak. I went through *every Wii game* looking for titles to stock my library with, and came up with half-a-dozen potential games, out of all of them, that meet my needs. And I'm not the only person left feeling this way...

Nintendo, you continue to disappoint me - you used to mean something with consoles - I think the reality has become this - if you're a Nintendo fan, and a serious gamer, buy a DS, the Wii will supposedly be enjoyed by your family and friends, but you're getting a long wait to have the kind of games you camp out for :/

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

subrosian

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

dotWithShoes

The day Animal Crossing, the worst iteration of Metroid Prime, the worst title in the Smash series, and Mario Kart are all modern Nintendo fans want is the day I give up on them entirely. Were you alive for the SNES? Do you own any other company's systems? Do you realize what experiences in gaming you're missing?

I'm more worried about them just rehashing their core franchises than wether or not we see another Mario/Zelda/Pikmin/Metroid in the near future. So as long as projects like Metroid Dread are in the pipeline, I'm happy.PBSnipes

Metroid Dread is not currently in development.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]I'm more worried about them just rehashing their core franchises than wether or not we see another Mario/Zelda/Pikmin/Metroid in the near future. So as long as projects like Metroid Dread are in the pipeline, I'm happy.subrosian

Metroid Dread is not currently in development.

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

subrosian

The day Animal Crossing, the worst iteration of Metroid Prime, the worst title in the Smash series, and Mario Kart are all modern Nintendo fans want is the day I give up on them entirely. Were you alive for the SNES? Do you own any other company's systems? Do you realize what experiences in gaming you're missing?

Yess I remember all the crappy games that used to plague Nintendo systems way back to thedaysof the NES(of which I still own one). Worst of each series is a matter of opinion, and you're opinion doesn't match a LOT of peoples opinions. I for one enjoyed SSBB completly, as well as MKWii. Not as much fun as Double Dash but still a great game. My questio9n is, were YOU alive during the NES days?

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

dotWithShoes

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

Uhh... MKwii is also for the PS2, also it got a 7.5 here in gamespot, so why do you mention it? :?

I haven't been playing my Wii a lot lately, but I still find it comforting sitting behind me on my TV stand. Knowing it's there means that when something is announced for it that gets me excited, I already have a Wii to play it on.

Plus, I simply can't get rid of it until I play Fatal Frame IV. :P

Yess I remember all the crappy games that used to plague Nintendo systems way back to thedaysof the NES(of which I still own one). Worst of each series is a matter of opinion, and you're opinion doesn't match a LOT of peoples opinions. I for one enjoyed SSBB completly, as well as MKWii. Not as much fun as Double Dash but still a great game. My questio9n is, were YOU alive during the NES days?

dotWithShoes

Yes, I was alive then.

You think the Wii is free of crappy games? That's laughable - what's noteworthy and concerning is that the systems main (and best) developer is stretched so thin and taking so long to deliver the meat that what used to be its strongest audience desires.

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

ChrnoTrigger

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

Uhh... MKwii is also for the PS2, also it got a 7.5 here in gamespot, so why do you mention it? :?

Mario Kart Wii m8... NOT nor ever will be multiplat :)

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]

Yess I remember all the crappy games that used to plague Nintendo systems way back to thedaysof the NES(of which I still own one). Worst of each series is a matter of opinion, and you're opinion doesn't match a LOT of peoples opinions. I for one enjoyed SSBB completly, as well as MKWii. Not as much fun as Double Dash but still a great game. My questio9n is, were YOU alive during the NES days?

subrosian

Yes, I was alive then.

You think the Wii is free of crappy games? That's laughable - what's noteworthy and concerning is that the systems main (and best) developer is stretched so thin and taking so long to deliver the meat that what used to be its strongest audience desires.

Never said the Wii was free of crappy games. Do you really expect Nintendo to release a core game every month? Every other month? How often should Nintendo plop out a 'core' game for you?

Mario Kart Wii m8... NOT nor ever will be multiplat :)

dotWithShoes

Never say never. When I was a kid, SEGA fanboys used to swear up and down that you would never see a Sonic game on a Nintendo system... oops. Nintendo characters were on the CDI and PC in the past - is it likely to happen again in the near future? No - but "ever"? We'll see.

Oh no, they're not rushing out games. :?

Half-a-dozen games? That's like a year's worth for me. Seems fine for a console you have so little hope for. Just wondering: How much did you expect?

Oh no, they're not rushing out games. :?

Half-a-dozen games? That's like a year's worth for me. Seems fine for a console you have so little hope for. Just wondering: How much did you expect?

Tsug_Ze_Wind

It would be fine that they're taking so long if there were any worthwile games to tide over until then.

Also I just happened to notice that everyone who writes SW monhtly is a sheep. :?

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]

Mario Kart Wii m8... NOT nor ever will be multiplat :)

subrosian

Never say never. When I was a kid, SEGA fanboys used to swear up and down that you would never see a Sonic game on a Nintendo system... oops. Nintendo characters were on the CDI and PC in the past - is it likely to happen again in the near future? No - but "ever"? We'll see.

SEGA and NINTENDO are different companies.

I've completed: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Super Mario Galaxy Super Smash Bros Brawl Super Paper Mario Mario Kart Wii Metroid Prime 3: Corruption Lost Winds Mario Strikers Charged Elebits Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Excite Truck Okami Zack and Wiki: The Quest for Barbaro's Treasure Wario Ware: Smooth Moves Sonic and the Secret Rings Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz Castle of Shikigami III Blast Works Boom Blox Geometry Wars: Galaxies NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams Metal Slug Anthology Trauma Center: Second Opinion Trauma Center: New Blood Rayman Raving Rabbids Ghost Squad Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition Battalion Wars II Endless Ocean Mercury Meltdown Revolution
I want: Sonic Unleashed Wario Land Shake It Super Mario Sluggers Animal Crossing City Folk Mad World Sonic and the Black Knight Samba de Amigo de Blob Mushroom Men: Spore Wars Tales of Symphonia 2 Little King's Story The Conduit The House of the Dead Overkill

I'm about as "hardcore" as they come, and I am pretty damn happy with my Wii.famicommander

It looks more like you just copied and pasted a list of wii games.

But if you're serious,then good for you,but I still think it would be horrible only owning a wii this gen.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

Oh no, they're not rushing out games. :?

Half-a-dozen games? That's like a year's worth for me. Seems fine for a console you have so little hope for. Just wondering: How much did you expect?

stepat201

It would be fine that they're taking so long if there were any worthwile games to tide over until then.

Also I just happened to notice that everyone who writes SW monhtly is a sheep. :?

There are. If Sub managed to find a whopping half-dozen, the rest of us could find at least three dozen. :P

Seriously though, if you don't have the third-party support, you will inevitably run into a drought. Not much Nintendo can do about it, we just have to hope that the hint has been gotten and they take advantage of the opening.

As for Monthly, it was started by sheep, so yeah. We have a more diverse staff now though, and we're always looking for more.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

dotWithShoes

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

how bout some frick'n new IPs for crying out loud.

is it the general consensus that all nintendo as a publisher and developer has to do is keep the same damn franchises on auto-pilot forever? should they just leave it up to the third parties to come out with the new stuff while they pump out sequels and exercise "games"?

wii = VC for me sure i have smash zelda metroid, and have rented lots of games what i spend the most time and money on is the virtual console

classics like bonk, wonder boy, sonic, mario, metroid, ect....

if my controllers were not out of juice id make a list of dope old school games for you

how bout some frick'n new IPs for crying out loud.

is it the general consensus that all nintendo as a publisher and developer has to do is keep the same damn franchises on auto-pilot forever? should they just leave it up to the third parties to come out with the new stuff while they pump out sequels and exercise "games"?

hihatrider

We really need a copy-paste reponse for this. >_>

Why can't you innovate within the franchise and keep the name recognition?

[QUOTE="famicommander"]I've completed: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Super Mario Galaxy Super Smash Bros Brawl Super Paper Mario Mario Kart Wii Metroid Prime 3: Corruption Lost Winds Mario Strikers Charged Elebits Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Excite Truck Okami Zack and Wiki: The Quest for Barbaro's Treasure Wario Ware: Smooth Moves Sonic and the Secret Rings Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz Castle of Shikigami III Blast Works Boom Blox Geometry Wars: Galaxies NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams Metal Slug Anthology Trauma Center: Second Opinion Trauma Center: New Blood Rayman Raving Rabbids Ghost Squad Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition Battalion Wars II Endless Ocean Mercury Meltdown Revolution
I want: Sonic Unleashed Wario Land Shake It Super Mario Sluggers Animal Crossing City Folk Mad World Sonic and the Black Knight Samba de Amigo de Blob Mushroom Men: Spore Wars Tales of Symphonia 2 Little King's Story The Conduit The House of the Dead Overkill

I'm about as "hardcore" as they come, and I am pretty damn happy with my Wii.stepat201

It looks more like you just copied and pasted a list of wii games.

But if you're serious,then good for you,but I still think it would be horrible only owning a wii this gen.

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

hihatrider

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

how bout some frick'n new IPs for crying out loud.

is it the general consensus that all nintendo as a publisher and developer has to do is keep the same damn franchises on auto-pilot forever? should they just leave it up to the third parties to come out with the new stuff while they pump out sequels and exercise "games"?

Would be nice, I get tired of EVERY generation Nintendo keeps the same IP's and NEVER EVER makes a new one. I loved playing Pikmin on my NES back in the 80's as an example.

[QUOTE="hihatrider"]

how bout some frick'n new IPs for crying out loud.

is it the general consensus that all nintendo as a publisher and developer has to do is keep the same damn franchises on auto-pilot forever? should they just leave it up to the third parties to come out with the new stuff while they pump out sequels and exercise "games"?

Tsug_Ze_Wind

We really need a copy-paste reponse for this. >_>

Why can't you innovate within the franchise and keep the name recognition?

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="hihatrider"]

how bout some frick'n new IPs for crying out loud.

is it the general consensus that all nintendo as a publisher and developer has to do is keep the same damn franchises on auto-pilot forever? should they just leave it up to the third parties to come out with the new stuff while they pump out sequels and exercise "games"?

surrealnumber5

We really need a copy-paste reponse for this. >_>

Why can't you innovate within the franchise and keep the name recognition?

Honestly what franchise does change this in a huge way?

Zelda: Save the princess

Mario: Kill Bowser

Games like Halo have continuous and interesting plotlines.

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

dotWithShoes

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

Uhh... MKwii is also for the PS2, also it got a 7.5 here in gamespot, so why do you mention it? :?

Mario Kart Wii m8... NOT nor ever will be multiplat :)

Oh thought you meant Mortal Kombat wii.

Honestly what franchise does change this in a huge way?

Zelda: Save the princess

Mario: Kill Bowser

stepat201

Game: Beat game.

Just a tad too generalized. :? SMB to SMG must have had some innovation in there somewhere.

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

ChrnoTrigger

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

Uhh... MKwii is also for the PS2, also it got a 7.5 here in gamespot, so why do you mention it? :?

Mario Kart Wii m8... NOT nor ever will be multiplat :)

Oh thought you meant Mortal Kombat wii.

Thats what I figured, I wouldn't dare mention Mortal Kombat.. that game shoulda stayed in last century.

[QUOTE="stepat201"]Honestly what franchise does change this in a huge way?

Zelda: Save the princess

Mario: Kill Bowser

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Game: Beat game.

Just a tad too generalized. :? SMB to SMG must have had some innovation in there somewhere.

Going from 2D to 3D isn't that innovative...

[QUOTE="hihatrider"]

how bout some frick'n new IPs for crying out loud.

is it the general consensus that all nintendo as a publisher and developer has to do is keep the same damn franchises on auto-pilot forever? should they just leave it up to the third parties to come out with the new stuff while they pump out sequels and exercise "games"?

Tsug_Ze_Wind

We really need a copy-paste reponse for this. >_>

Why can't you innovate within the franchise and keep the name recognition?

the notion that innovation within one franchise can be just as helpful for the industry as new ips is absurd. you don't need name recognition to sell games. you need good marketing. hopefully the game is good besides that.

by the way, when you mention the innovation within a frachise, is that actually happening with the nintendo stable? did this zelda innovate or was it simply executed well? how bout mario kart? a number of magazines said the best way to play it was with a gamecube controller.

Going from 2D to 3D isn't that innovative...

stepat201

Then not much is.

Fine, Sunshine to Galaxy = quite some change there. Focus of game completely changes. Galaxy easily could have been a new IP.

the notion that innovation within one franchise can be just as helpful for the industry as new ips is absurd. you don't need name recognition to sell games. you need good marketing. hopefully the game is good besides that.

by the way, when you mention the innovation within a frachise, is that actually happening with the nintendo stable? did this zelda innovate or was it simply executed well? how bout mario kart? a number of magazines said the best way to play it was with a gamecube controller.

hihatrider

I don't see why not. Super Mario 64 set the bar and was incredibly innovative even though there was plenty of Marios before. Or, the perfect example--GTA3.

Once again, Galaxy could have been a new IP, and MKWii certainly wasn't a rehash. (I don't see how the GC controller could be better, the Wheel works perfectly aside from an annoyance when you have to hold an item behind you.)

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="hihatrider"]

how bout some frick'n new IPs for crying out loud.

is it the general consensus that all nintendo as a publisher and developer has to do is keep the same damn franchises on auto-pilot forever? should they just leave it up to the third parties to come out with the new stuff while they pump out sequels and exercise "games"?

surrealnumber5

We really need a copy-paste reponse for this. >_>

Why can't you innovate within the franchise and keep the name recognition?

i've just been generalized!

i'm not going to run you through my gaming history, but i will say that i've played the last three zelda games (their fun, but it has been the same formula over and over. i could say the same thing about halo). besides that, i prefer rpgs and strategy games over shooters.

am i really being attacked for asking for new games? that really is too much to ask from nintendo?

am i really being attacked for asking for new games? that really is too much to ask from nintendo?hihatrider

No, see, you're getting new games, but you're too hung up on names. That's the problem.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="hihatrider"]

how bout some frick'n new IPs for crying out loud.

is it the general consensus that all nintendo as a publisher and developer has to do is keep the same damn franchises on auto-pilot forever? should they just leave it up to the third parties to come out with the new stuff while they pump out sequels and exercise "games"?

hihatrider

We really need a copy-paste reponse for this. >_>

Why can't you innovate within the franchise and keep the name recognition?

i've just been generalized!

i'm not going to run you through my gaming history, but i will say that i've played the last three zelda games (their fun, but it has been the same formula over and over. i could say the same thing about halo). besides that, i prefer rpgs and strategy games over shooters.

am i really being attacked for asking for new games? that really is too much to ask from nintendo?

pikmin game cube last gen

battalion wars gamecube last gen

smash bros n64 2 gens

geist game cube

to say they dont come out with new games is bull they do every gen just stop being a rabid fanboy bashing on something thats not the case

this gen there is the wii line and you may or may not like it but it is new

[QUOTE="hihatrider"]am i really being attacked for asking for new games? that really is too much to ask from nintendo?Tsug_Ze_Wind

No, see, you're getting new games, but you're too hung up on names. That's the problem.

Prince of Persia is a new game, Burnout Paradise is a new game, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, GT5 (online is new), Halo 3, Forza 2, MGS4 and Resistance 2 is all new games that changed thing just as much as Nintendo games had changed this gen to call them new games like you do.

He is not talking about games that does something new and unique in a franchise but a whole new franchise.

[QUOTE="hihatrider"]

the notion that innovation within one franchise can be just as helpful for the industry as new ips is absurd. you don't need name recognition to sell games. you need good marketing. hopefully the game is good besides that.

by the way, when you mention the innovation within a frachise, is that actually happening with the nintendo stable? did this zelda innovate or was it simply executed well? how bout mario kart? a number of magazines said the best way to play it was with a gamecube controller.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

I don't see why not. Super Mario 64 set the bar and was incredibly innovative even though there was plenty of Marios before. Or, the perfect example--GTA3.

Once again, Galaxy could have been a new IP, and MKWii certainly wasn't a rehash. (I don't see how the GC controller could be better, the Wheel works perfectly aside from an annoyance when you have to hold an item behind you.)

your right about gta3. i can't comment on galaxy.

my point isn't simply innovation. its new settings, new stories. how cool would it be if nintendo came out with an all new adventure. build a new universe that many different types of games could be set in.

"we are sorry about [the e3] media briefing, specifically for those who were expecting to see Nintendo show something about super mario or legend of zelda." - Satoru Iwata

nintendo thinks that all core gamers want from them is the main franchises. that won't change any this gen.

So does the PS3 and 360.

Prince of Persia is a new game, Burnout Paradise is a new game, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, GT5 (online is new), Halo 3, Forza 2, MGS4 and Resistance 2 is all new games that changed thing just as much as Nintendo games had changed this gen to call them new games like you do.

He is not talking about games that does something new and unique in a franchise but a whole new franchise.

JLF1

Of course you can call them new games--they are. I'm not a guy that rips on sequels unless they're actually decreasing in quality.

your right about gta3. i can't comment on galaxy.

my point isn't simply innovation. its new settings, new stories. how cool would it be if nintendo came out with an all new adventure. build a new universe that many different types of games could be set in.

"we are sorry about [the e3] media briefing, specifically for those who were expecting to see Nintendo show something about super mario or legend of zelda." - Satoru Iwata

nintendo thinks that all core gamers want from them is the main franchises. that won't change any this gen.

hihatrider

New settings = Wind Waker's The Great Sea, (again) Galaxy's various galaxies are fine examples. It doesn't take a new IP to have different settings or stories.

All it is, is a name. It shouldn't matter at all.

[QUOTE="hihatrider"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="hihatrider"]

how bout some frick'n new IPs for crying out loud.

is it the general consensus that all nintendo as a publisher and developer has to do is keep the same damn franchises on auto-pilot forever? should they just leave it up to the third parties to come out with the new stuff while they pump out sequels and exercise "games"?

surrealnumber5

We really need a copy-paste reponse for this. >_>

Why can't you innovate within the franchise and keep the name recognition?

i've just been generalized!

i'm not going to run you through my gaming history, but i will say that i've played the last three zelda games (their fun, but it has been the same formula over and over. i could say the same thing about halo). besides that, i prefer rpgs and strategy games over shooters.

am i really being attacked for asking for new games? that really is too much to ask from nintendo?

pikmin game cube last gen

battalion wars gamecube last gen

smash bros n64 2 gens

geist game cube

to say they dont come out with new games is bull they do every gen just stop being a rabid fanboy bashing on something thats not the case

this gen there is the wii line and you may or may not like it but it is new

calling out concerns you have for a company that you used to respect more is not being a fanboy, let alone rabid.

yes, they came out with new core games last gen. and yes, they've put out a bunch of games that start with wii this gen. if you like those games then i'm happy for you. i'd prefer something with more substance to it.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
So does the PS3 and 360.

Prince of Persia is a new game, Burnout Paradise is a new game, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, GT5 (online is new), Halo 3, Forza 2, MGS4 and Resistance 2 is all new games that changed thing just as much as Nintendo games had changed this gen to call them new games like you do.

He is not talking about games that does something new and unique in a franchise but a whole new franchise.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Of course you can call them new games--they are. I'm not a guy that rips on sequels unless they're actually decreasing in quality.

your right about gta3. i can't comment on galaxy.

my point isn't simply innovation. its new settings, new stories. how cool would it be if nintendo came out with an all new adventure. build a new universe that many different types of games could be set in.

"we are sorry about [the e3] media briefing, specifically for those who were expecting to see Nintendo show something about super mario or legend of zelda." - Satoru Iwata

nintendo thinks that all core gamers want from them is the main franchises. that won't change any this gen.

hihatrider

New settings = Wind Waker's The Great Sea, (again) Galaxy's various galaxies are fine examples. It doesn't take a new IP to have different settings or stories.

All it is, is a name. It shouldn't matter at all.

that would be like saying it would be fine to have nothing but star wars science fiction instead of numerous franchises, why have genres with different ips? instead of lots of different mob movies, i'd just assume have nothing but godfather movies. each could have a different setting or plot line and its the best so why not?

while i did take that to the extreme, that is where your concept logically progresses. it does make a difference to have a new ip, instead of playing as link or mario again. not saying they shouldn't make those games anymore. just start something new.

Make gamers suffer while they increase their install base.

A huge base of casual gaming Wii owners who won't play these games when they arrive.

Worse yet they'll alter the games in order for them to appeal to this new following.

Whatever they decide to do they know we'll be there to buy it in the end.

Nintendo understands that they can get away with abusing the real fans.

I guess I can wait.

that would be like saying it would be fine to have nothing but star wars science fiction instead of numerous franchises, why have genres with different ips? instead of lots of different mob movies, i'd just assume have nothing but godfather movies. each could have a different setting or plot line and its the best so why not?

while i did take that to the extreme, that is where your concept logically progresses. it does make a difference to have a new ip, instead of playing as link or mario again. not saying they shouldn't make those games anymore. just start something new.

hihatrider

If all space-related science fiction was written by Lucas, why not put it all under "Star Wars?" I don't see anything wrong with that.

They could make a Zelda game without playing as Link. they'll probably make a new IP before they do that, true, but there's a lot more space in these franchises than you think.

It would be fine that they're taking so long if there were any worthwile games to tide over until then.

Also I just happened to notice that everyone who writes SW monhtly is a sheep. :?

stepat201

Bingo on both comments, though the reality of SW Monthly is frankly far more sinister. In any case, that's not the topic at hand. Nintendo's icy relations with third parties, and failure to pursue them (or frankly care greatly about what their lack of high-budget third party titles means for core gamers) certainly makes the situation.

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List.famicommander

95% list filler :/ - posting in that format is only used to make it so it takes *forever* to go game by game and address quality issues - the reality is, I'm sorry if that's genuinely what you've bought this generation, your money, in my opinion, could have been better spent.

As for Monthly...

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Please refrain from recruiting, discussing, or advertising SW Monthly in my thread - one comment on it is fine, any further is hijacking. It's a stickied thread and your signature provides appropriate links.

[QUOTE="hihatrider"]

that would be like saying it would be fine to have nothing but star wars science fiction instead of numerous franchises, why have genres with different ips? instead of lots of different mob movies, i'd just assume have nothing but godfather movies. each could have a different setting or plot line and its the best so why not?

while i did take that to the extreme, that is where your concept logically progresses. it does make a difference to have a new ip, instead of playing as link or mario again. not saying they shouldn't make those games anymore. just start something new.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

If all space-related science fiction was written by Lucas, why not put it all under "Star Wars?" I don't see anything wrong with that.

They could make a Zelda game without playing as Link. they'll probably make a new IP before they do that, true, but there's a lot more space in these franchises than you think.

this discussion has pretty much hit a brick wall so i'm going to bed. its cool to disagree though. its just video games.

night, night.

[QUOTE="stepat201"]Honestly what franchise does change this in a huge way?

Zelda: Save the princess

Mario: Kill Bowser

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Game: Beat game.

Just a tad too generalized. :? SMB to SMG must have had some innovation in there somewhere.

The experience has evolved far too little compared to what the cusp of modern art-gaming can offer, in terms of experience, impact on the player, intellectual stimulation, visual appeal, auditory enticement, and the enhancement of the gamer via the act of gaming.

At best the Wii offers "amusement" - it lacks edification.