Uncharted 4 may use temporal reconstruction to achieve 1080p

Yeah, which is exactly why I said "Will be interesting to see what comes of this", and "assume" and "may".

So now it's 900p, 30fps and temporal reconstruction. We need PS4.5 stat.

You might want to watch this, maybe another party can make you understand, I've remained objective during all of this.

OK.

To be honest DF article on QB is whompy at best. They backtracked many times and even said the saw a pixel count of 900p. They seem to hint the game is of mixed resolution. IF QB is 720p(doubt it from what I've been reading). then its not the 720p that we are thinking of...

You are like a broken record, but keep up the good work. You know what is funny from you so-called unbaised gamers, all of your prediction within the last year regarding the PS4 have been on the negative side, and not one of them were correct.

Just keep trying and maybe one day they will listen and say, "you know that nyaDC was right all along."

No, what is being said is it's a 1080p base render with temporal reconstruction of previous frames to make up the final 1080p render output. The system is not powerful enough to output a pixel accurate 1080p render so they had to resort to temporal reconstruction of data from previous frames to get a maintained level of performance in their current frame render.

@dynamitecop: but if they reconstruct the shadows that's not the same as reconstructing the whole imagine, this could be done on literally every pc game with different options for shadow details f.e making the medium level shadows look a bit better than they would normally do, not quite high level ones but at lower performance cost still

See that's what is left to be seen, because it's noticeable on several other aspects in the game beyond shadows, so it might be the entire image.

I read that, yup. So half the time the game is running at 900p at 60fps (mp), the other half the time it is running at a temporal recontructed 1080p only at 30fps (sp).

@flyincloud1116: I read what that thread was about and it was basically explaining what a dev is trying to do to make an image appear cleaner than 720p. And cows kept saying "still 720p". In this thread there is something being said about a part of uncharted needing to use past frames to hit 1080p in certain things. Now one starts from 720 the other from 1080 but there is a similarity in that they supposedly are doing something similar even in a small part. This is 9th grade logic. But I sense you feel attacked by the stating of this small similarity. Same? No. Similar in part? Yes. What is so hard about that?

He's the one making threads but you and others are just as guilty of a childish "it's not the same!!!! MOM!!!!" type attitude.

@cainetao11: We are still not talking about exactly same things, QB uses 4 whole 720p frames to construct a new frame that looks sharper than your normal 720p frame and in the case of Uncharted it's a discussion about recontructing partial aspects of the frame(shadows f.e) while the actual frames are all 1080p, I may not be the best at explaining these but oh well

Obviously this type of thread is going to go there. I put myself out there arguing that this is not similar situation not to be a cow and hate on xbox. See its simply hard to argue such a thing as a perfect render. Such a game under scrutiny is hard to find even on pc. QB as its known is a constructed 1080p resolution this is geometry and everything. UC4 as its known so far, maybe not we shall see is native 1080 but like other games and most likely like the 720p base of QB, some parts of it are constructed differently some are low res. Big culprit are shadow resolution and other effects. Example go analyse Witcher 3. On consoles and pc games you will find some effects settings sit between pc setting because they were optimize slightly different. Check The Division why have a shadow resolution option and why call ps4 or pc version native 1080p or native that? Whats the purpose of that if shadow resolution is low.

@howmakewood: ?........where have I said we are talking about exactly the same thing? I have repeatedly said there is a similarity in one thing, not the same.

@cainetao11: My bad I read that wrong

@ellos: "

way in hell are they going to admit that.

Obviously this type of thread is going to go there. I put myself out there arguing that this is not similar situation not to be a cow and hate on xbox. See its simply hard to argue such a thing as a perfect render. Such a game under scrutiny is hard to find even on pc. QB as its known is a constructed 1080p resolution this is geometry and everything. UC4 as its known so far, maybe not we shall see is native 1080 but like other games and most likely like the 720p base of QB, some parts of it are constructed differently some are low res"

So let me get this right, you're arguing it isn't similar, but in your own post say "like other games and most likely like the 720p base of QB....". That seems like a clear definition of a similarity in a part.

Wow that went from zero to cashangry real fast

@howmakewood: All good dude. I know there is one similarity in both of these games and that's I'm buying and playing both. Look forward to them both also.

@cainetao11: That would be like saying hey these games have polygons textures and so on. I have pointed out when we talk about buffer that's where they differ. I tried to explain how QB doesn't compare to other so called native 1080p game on consoles and pc. Why they are called that despite having imperfections.

They're hands-on and just speculation, the final results are in Face-Off.

No wonder the gameplay shots look underwhelming.

Of previous 720p frames.

Where are you getting 720p from for Uncharted?

Oh,thought you weren't over wit the QB thing

Well, yeah...underpowered console = fail. Now, if they release this for PC, THEN we will see some nice looking gameplay shots.

@cainetao11: but is this super mall comparison threah worthy ?

That is the bigger and more important question if you ask the I.

@ellos: And I have never stated these were same things. But a similarity exists in using previous frames for a desired result. It's not an insult to either game or any for that matter.

I will ask you, does NX Gamer has any U4 build to count pixels, hm? He bring that theory based on what, dude? LOL, he said that QB is native 1080p based on some preview videos from a month ago and some SIGGRAPH documents. Lems trying to spin everything AGAIN! NYadc, shut up.

How is this an attempt at anything? Their base geometry is 1080p, but for that render to be continually achievable they have to use reconstruction methods in the current frame with multiple passes from previous frames to keep things going or I assume the performance would be impossible to maintain. This is why so much dithering is present throughout the image,

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Yeah, I've noticed similar dithering present in Rise of the Tomb Raider as well and it can be quite unnappealing at times, it reminds me of meshes being used in early 2D/3D games in place of half-transparency.

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Because dithering Uncharted 4 is not native 1080p, instead, they're using temporal reconstruction??? That's your theory?

It's going to go down even more in multiplayer along with framerate.

@Livecommander: Couldn't that be asked of many threads? There's a thread claiming Sony wins again just because R&C went gold. Won what? Aren't games supposed to finish development? The fact that there is discussion in here would seem to justify it's worth to a tiny degree I guess.

Someone can't seem to come to terms with a speculative thread based upon what has been shown, like cashangry, you need to dial back your panic a notch.

No wonder why image is blurry and soft.

Stop.

See that's why I think we are walking into a weird area here. The constructive nature of video games is not really what is being compared. When you talk about using previous frames then suddenly every game that uses motion blue comes to question. Games that uses post processing filters like TAA come to question.

That's a bit of a disingenuous way to put it honestly, yes this is a 'post process' technically, but it's not like traditional post, this is still happening as a part of the overall render.

It doesn't matter what res Uncharted 4 is, because to play it you'd have to buy a crap console from Sony. Not happening.

But keep up the good work, OP, you've got those stupid cows on the ropes.

I dont care what method they use, all i care about it the result, what i get to play and see. Not the mumbo jumbo behind it.

Fucking lemmings trying to bring down everything so their X1 doesn't look as shitty.

TC was already proven wrong.

Loving this massive backfire of a thread. Only people who don't see it are brain slowed lemmings and blind hermits. And this isn't even ps4 final form either. More butt hurt incoming.

I find it funny that ppl have to lie and reach for things to downplay UC4.

The reason the X1/QB is such a joke is bc its all true.

The guy in the video gave no proof and was going on beta builds. Fucking lems like Nyadc/dynamitecop and kvally should be banned.

Show me one negative thing I said in this thread about Uncharted 4 or the PlayStation 4, I will be infinitely waiting.

Also proven wrong how?

@nyadc dude how many alts do you have? This is getting ridiculous and extremely sad as well as pathetic hahaha. Might have to call you Altlem soon.

Join the club ;)

Interesting. If it does it sounds like it's using the TOD/Crack in time method of using MSAA samples, rather than the temporal (blur/ghosting) method used in Quantum break.

I don't have any alts.

It takes 3 lemming alts to take down just a single cow. It's fair for you guys to have more than one.

Its not really being disingenuous. I look at it and pointing out that it could be right that its like QB or it could as well just be an additional post processing effect to help with AA for particular objects or the whole AA solution. In that case its very much different. To say otherwise is opening up every game that messes with its so called native 1080p in to question. Essentially going as far as every game that uses motion blur and other post processing effect. I'm also trying to say lets be a bit careful here as games do different construction. There is really no longer just tradition post effect any more. Take a look at Far Cry 4 and primal shader based AA particularly used on consoles. you can find many other solutions in other games.

I didn't want to say this because you put something like a question by saying on the title maybe. Your entitled to and you could be right but doesn't your whole thread seems disingenuous to this particular game? If my point is right then suddenly UC4 is suppose to have a perfect render, is not allowed to mess with its already native 1080p geometry like every other game for things like shadows and AA. Doing so somehow compares it to the QB situation. Example you yourself as well as what he says have noticed this on Tomb Raider and many other games. Shouldn't that tell us something?

Hahaha