Wait... are you guys serious.... (PS3 installation)

[QUOTE="Erebyssial"]Consoles should really never have to have their games isntalled anyway, imo.ReverseCycology

Definately. Thats one of the many perks of what a console should be.

Exactly. Plus, if Blu-Ray is supposed to hold SO much space...why are we doing this? If the PS3 is SO powerful....why are we doing this? It's the principle more than anything, really...

[QUOTE="lespaul00"]

It is similiar to when some people were giving the 360 users a hard time about disc swapping. They are really both insignificant issues.

blue_hazy_basic

:lol: I was just thinking that.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

[QUOTE="Erebyssial"]Consoles should really never have to have their games isntalled anyway, imo.Verge_6

Definately. Thats one of the many perks of what a console should be.

Exactly. Plus, if Blu-Ray is supposed to hold SO much space...why are we doing this? If the PS3 is SO powerful....why are we doing this? It's the principle more than anything, really...

Space has nothing too do with data transfer speed..

I don't know why people make such a big deal out of this. Yes, it sucks that a game like DMC4 takes up 5GB of HDD space, but remember that it can be DELETED. Once you beat the game and don't plan on playing it for a while, just delete the installed file or save it to an external HDD. Problem solved.

Oblivion took 4GB and Ninja Gaiden Sigma 3GB. Nobody seemed to complain about that.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

[QUOTE="Erebyssial"]Consoles should really never have to have their games isntalled anyway, imo.omgimba

Definately. Thats one of the many perks of what a console should be.

Exactly. Plus, if Blu-Ray is supposed to hold SO much space...why are we doing this? If the PS3 is SO powerful....why are we doing this? It's the principle more than anything, really...

Space has nothing too do with data transfer speed..

I wasn't talking about data transfer speed.

I don't know why people make such a big deal out of this. Yes, it sucks that a game like DMC4 takes up 5GB of HDD space, but remember that it can be DELETED. Once you beat the game and don't plan on playing it for a while, just delete the installed file or save it to an external HDD. Problem solved.

Oblivion took 4GB and Ninja Gaiden Sigma 3GB. Nobody seemed to complain about that.

lusitanogamer

I am a supporter of the PS3, I think it is a great systems. I don't agree with installation though. A console is not a PC, you shouldn't have to install anything.

Though don't blame Sony, for once this isn't their fault. Look at their 1st party games, somehow those load quickly without installing anything. This time it is a result of lazy developers or just simply a lack of time and money for Blu-Ray optimization (where to put the data and in what format on the Blu-Ray disk). In some cases it is lazy devs, Capcom with DMC4 is a good case of that. They had plenty of time, they didn't do squat.

But Blu-ray can hold sooo much content....

That's why we're installing 5GB's of a SCE cartoony golf game onto our HDD's. Ridiculous!

BioShockOwnz

Thats what i thought exactly :|

20GB Ps3 owner having more than 4 of those games with like 5gb of installation are in ****

I am a supporter of the PS3, I think it is a great systems. I don't agree with installation though. A console is not a PC, you shouldn't have to install anything.

Though don't blame Sony, for once this isn't their fault. Look at their 1st party games, somehow those load quickly without installing anything. This time it is a result of lazy developers or just simply a lack of time and money for Blu-Ray optimization (where to put the data and in what format on the Blu-Ray disk). In some cases it is lazy devs, Capcom with DMC4 is a good case of that. They had plenty of time, they didn't do squat.

Wasdie

The problem is, once again, they have a multiplatform title that has what potential customers could percieve as a blemish on the PS3 version.

Penny Arcade has an excellent take on this

They didn't put the HDD in there for games. HDD's are only good for downloading movies and TV shows on Live. Don't you get it cows?

PS3 is for blu-ray movies. So using its HDD for games is bad. get it?

[QUOTE="0rin"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]How much space does DMC take to install?Meu2k7

Noy so bad, if devs make a habit of it though that can quickly pile up. To my understanding though PS3's can use external HDDs right?

You can't use external drives for game content like the DMC install or any of the updates just like the 360

People need to look into thing on their own and stop relying on he say, she say.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3165697

1UP: With the PS3 version, it's mandatory to install it to your harddrive, yet on the Xbox 360 it is not. Why is that? Why wouldn't you just let PS3 owners put it in their console and play off the disc, like how Xbox 360 owners can play, or at least make it an option? On the reverse side, why not offer an install if Xbox 360 owners had enough room on their HD? The load times on 360 are very short in any case, so was any of this really necessary?

HK: Actually, we wanted to do the same thing for the Xbox 360 version, but because there are models of the 360 that are sold without a hard drive, we received a no-go from Microsoft.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]How much space does DMC take to install?0rin

its 4.9 GB's for installation.

The point that is being missed is the fact that without the installation, the load times on the PS3 would be unbearable.

Think 2-4 times what the 360 has. The reason lies in the Blu-Ray disc itself and how games are stored on it.

With a high speed read (50 MBS for Blu-Ray) you would think that it can get data quickly, which is true, but the issue is the amount of date on a disc and the factthat it isn't store in sequential order like a movie.

Although a DVD and Blu-Ray are the same size dimensionally, the Blu-Ray has at least 4x the tracks as a DVD, meaning more places to search, causing increaseed loading times. This is most likely the reason for pre-loading games on the PS3 to decrease loading times.

Not a big deal to a casual gamer who typically would have only a few games, but more of anissue to hardcore gamers as a 20, 40, 60 or even 80 GB hard drive can fill up fairly quick.

[QUOTE="0rin"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]How much space does DMC take to install?sirk1264

its 4.9 GB's for installation.

You should have bought it for your 360 to save HDD space, and to builkd your gamerscore :P

[QUOTE="sirk1264"]

[QUOTE="0rin"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]How much space does DMC take to install?Tulak_Hord

its 4.9 GB's for installation.

You should have bought it for your 360 to save HDD space, and to builkd your gamerscore :P

lol well i thought about it but i do prefer the playstation controller for this type of game. I prefer the 360 controller for mostly shooters.

People need to look into thing on their own and stop relying on he say, she say.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3165697

1UP: With the PS3 version, it's mandatory to install it to your harddrive, yet on the Xbox 360 it is not. Why is that? Why wouldn't you just let PS3 owners put it in their console and play off the disc, like how Xbox 360 owners can play, or at least make it an option? On the reverse side, why not offer an install if Xbox 360 owners had enough room on their HD? The load times on 360 are very short in any case, so was any of this really necessary?

HK: Actually, we wanted to do the same thing for the Xbox 360 version, but because there are models of the 360 that are sold without a hard drive, we received a no-go from Microsoft.

CubanBlunt

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

People need to look into thing on their own and stop relying on he say, she say.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3165697

1UP: With the PS3 version, it's mandatory to install it to your harddrive, yet on the Xbox 360 it is not. Why is that? Why wouldn't you just let PS3 owners put it in their console and play off the disc, like how Xbox 360 owners can play, or at least make it an option? On the reverse side, why not offer an install if Xbox 360 owners had enough room on their HD? The load times on 360 are very short in any case, so was any of this really necessary?

HK: Actually, we wanted to do the same thing for the Xbox 360 version, but because there are models of the 360 that are sold without a hard drive, we received a no-go from Microsoft.

heretrix

Depends on who you talk to, doesn't it?

[QUOTE="lusitanogamer"]

I don't know why people make such a big deal out of this. Yes, it sucks that a game like DMC4 takes up 5GB of HDD space, but remember that it can be DELETED. Once you beat the game and don't plan on playing it for a while, just delete the installed file or save it to an external HDD. Problem solved.

Oblivion took 4GB and Ninja Gaiden Sigma 3GB. Nobody seemed to complain about that.

heretrix

Besides, since those other two games installed much faster, i don't see this slow download as a PS3 problem. If someone should be blamed, it's Capcom.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

People need to look into thing on their own and stop relying on he say, she say.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3165697

1UP: With the PS3 version, it's mandatory to install it to your harddrive, yet on the Xbox 360 it is not. Why is that? Why wouldn't you just let PS3 owners put it in their console and play off the disc, like how Xbox 360 owners can play, or at least make it an option? On the reverse side, why not offer an install if Xbox 360 owners had enough room on their HD? The load times on 360 are very short in any case, so was any of this really necessary?

HK: Actually, we wanted to do the same thing for the Xbox 360 version, but because there are models of the 360 that are sold without a hard drive, we received a no-go from Microsoft.

The_Crucible

Depends on who you talk to, doesn't it?

Instant play- Instant win

20 minute wait- FTL

If the game completely eliminated load times it would be a different story. That isn't the case. waiting for a game to load for a few seconds is nothing.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="lusitanogamer"]

I don't know why people make such a big deal out of this. Yes, it sucks that a game like DMC4 takes up 5GB of HDD space, but remember that it can be DELETED. Once you beat the game and don't plan on playing it for a while, just delete the installed file or save it to an external HDD. Problem solved.

Oblivion took 4GB and Ninja Gaiden Sigma 3GB. Nobody seemed to complain about that.

lusitanogamer

It's simple. There is another choice available where you don't have to wait 20 minutes.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

People need to look into thing on their own and stop relying on he say, she say.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3165697

1UP: With the PS3 version, it's mandatory to install it to your harddrive, yet on the Xbox 360 it is not. Why is that? Why wouldn't you just let PS3 owners put it in their console and play off the disc, like how Xbox 360 owners can play, or at least make it an option? On the reverse side, why not offer an install if Xbox 360 owners had enough room on their HD? The load times on 360 are very short in any case, so was any of this really necessary?

HK: Actually, we wanted to do the same thing for the Xbox 360 version, but because there are models of the 360 that are sold without a hard drive, we received a no-go from Microsoft.

heretrix

Depends on who you talk to, doesn't it?

Instant play- Instant win

20 minute wait- FTL

If the game completely eliminated load times it would be a different story. That isn't the case. waiting for a game to load for a few seconds is nothing.

Since CD based system came out, all you heard was" load times suck" what changed from then to now...nothing, they still suck done they?

It's simple. There is another choice available where you don't have to wait 20 minutes.heretrix

Wow nothing like complaining about something as trivial as waiting 20 minutes. hey why not by all DS or PSP games that way you don't have to wait to get home to unwrap the game and put it in the console. Now that is a faster better option.

Why are so many complaining about stuff that doesn't matter at all. 20 minutes on first load. Boom you never have it again unless you delete it.

Just more stupid fanboy arguements that mean NOTHING

No. a 20 minute wait vs playing it instantly? There is no comparison. I say this and I just installed a 320 gig HD on my PS3.

Instant play- Instant win

20 minute wait- FTL

If the game completely eliminated load times it would be a different story. That isn't the case. waiting for a game to load for a few seconds is nothing.

heretrix

I'd rather wait the 20 minuts up front and have the better loading times. What now?

The point that is being missed is the fact that without the installation, the load times on the PS3 would be unbearable.

Think 2-4 times what the 360 has. The reason lies in the Blu-Ray disc itself and how games are stored on it.

With a high speed read (50 MBS for Blu-Ray) you would think that it can get data quickly, which is true, but the issue is the amount of date on a disc and the factthat it isn't store in sequential order like a movie.

Although a DVD and Blu-Ray are the same size dimensionally, the Blu-Ray has at least 4x the tracks as a DVD, meaning more places to search, causing increaseed loading times. This is most likely the reason for pre-loading games on the PS3 to decrease loading times.

Not a big deal to a casual gamer who typically would have only a few games, but more of anissue to hardcore gamers as a 20, 40, 60 or even 80 GB hard drive can fill up fairly quick.

tbolt76

Dude...you have no idea what you are talking about. PLease stop. UNcharted is arguably better graphically than DMC4 (I think anyway and yes I've played the DMC demo) and it has ZERO load times. There is no reason DMC couldn't have been done the same way. The fact that they didn't says more about how they make games than the BR.

And as someone already posted, they wanted to have install for the 360 version but MS told them no because of then on-standard HDD...so they had to choice but to just go with load screens.

[QUOTE="lusitanogamer"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="lusitanogamer"]

I don't know why people make such a big deal out of this. Yes, it sucks that a game like DMC4 takes up 5GB of HDD space, but remember that it can be DELETED. Once you beat the game and don't plan on playing it for a while, just delete the installed file or save it to an external HDD. Problem solved.

Oblivion took 4GB and Ninja Gaiden Sigma 3GB. Nobody seemed to complain about that.

heretrix

It's simple. There is another choice available where you don't have to wait 20 minutes.

It's not a bad thing for PS3, because without it the game will have really long loading times, etc..EuroMafia

How would you know. Its not like you are given the choice to find out for yourself. For all we know it means the difference between no loading or however long it takes the 360 to load.

If you can't wait 20 minutes because you "have to play it instantly" you probably shouldn't be allowed to play games at all because you have a condition that borders on dangerous addiction.hmac777

That's ridiculous. Are you telling me you buy movies and games and food and stuff, and just sit around and ignore them because you don't really care?

You don't read magazines as soon as you buy them? You buy a comic to read next week?

PS3 take 500 years to install a few MB update... Waiting more then 3 or 4 mins is a bad thing... When I get a game first thing I do is pop it in for a test drive. I don't wanna wait 50 years to play.

They should atleast load up the first level for you and then install the game in the background... Or stream load it to the HDD like Xbox did with it's games.

Waiting 20 mins is just sad... The power of blu ray needs a speed increase. The almighty Cell is also slow... Since it takes 500 years to install a simple update from a 22 MB/sec flash drive.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]It's simple. There is another choice available where you don't have to wait 20 minutes.hiryu3

Wow nothing like complaining about something as trivial as waiting 20 minutes. hey why not by all DS or PSP games that way you don't have to wait to get home to unwrap the game and put it in the console. Now that is a faster better option.

Why are so many complaining about stuff that doesn't matter at all. 20 minutes on first load. Boom you never have it again unless you delete it.

Just more stupid fanboy arguements that mean NOTHING

Yeesh. Um ok.

ppl keep focusing on the 20 min install of one game. that's not the real issue. the issue is when you run out of space and need to uninstall a game. after you uninstall you are much less likely to want to go back to that game if you just want to play for one session because it would involved deleting another game's install and another 20 min install. this seems totally unreasonable for a CONSOLE. might as well have a pc then.Ontain

This is the future, Bluray is teh winnar! People who have to swap disks for 1 game you're still in the last century!

*runs round room "whooping" while tweaking nipples*

ppl keep focusing on the 20 min install of one game. that's not the real issue. the issue is when you run out of space and need to uninstall a game. after you uninstall you are much less likely to want to go back to that game if you just want to play for one session because it would involved deleting another game's install and another 20 min install. this seems totally unreasonable for a CONSOLE. might as well have a pc then.Ontain

Yeah... That's a real issue people seem to over look. But you will get the "But I rent, so I don't care" speech.

You don't read magazines as soon as you buy them? You buy a comic to read next week?

Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

You don't read magazines as soon as you buy them? You buy a comic to read next week?

0rin

ppl keep focusing on the 20 min install of one game. that's not the real issue. the issue is when you run out of space and need to uninstall a game. after you uninstall you are much less likely to want to go back to that game if you just want to play for one session because it would involved deleting another game's install and another 20 min install. this seems totally unreasonable for a CONSOLE. might as well have a pc then.Ontain

[QUOTE="0rin"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

You don't read magazines as soon as you buy them? You buy a comic to read next week?

Jandurin

Silly rabbit! My magazines (EGM) don't arrive in plastic! EGM is environmentally friendly :P

But no, I usually just set it down, and continue doing whatever it was I was doing. And I only read the mags when I .. uhh.. Y'know. Have to drop the kids off...
0rin

Anyway, the point here is that you aren't ever allowed to even peek at an article real quick when it arrives. You also have to dig the magazine out of whatever closet you might keep it in (20 minutes or so of digging) to revisit a particularly good article if you ever put it in the closet. If you just keep it on the living room table forever, that's different.

you guys are silly. I'll say it again. One long initial wait is far more acceptable than many small waits. Those small waits happen every time you play and they interupt the gameplay, whereas an initial wait doesn't interupt the game at all.

It was made mandatory in dmc4 because capcom wanted to people to enjoy the game the best way possible. All reviewers are saying that the ps3 version is superior because there aren't any load times while your playing the game. Face it lemmings, this is the gen where you sit there looking at a load screen while your stage is booting up. I've experienced load times before, and while you're playing the game that 30 seconds can feel like 20 minutes

you guys are silly. I'll say it again. One long initial wait is far more acceptable than many small waits. Those small waits happen every time you play and they interupt the gameplay, whereas an initial wait doesn't interupt the game at all. GunSmith1_basic

it does suck if a game is taking up to 5GB space....40 GB ps3 has like 35GB useable memory and can only hold about 7 games that require installation.....i think u shud have an option to not install the game when u put it in ps3