What has Microsoft done for the Video Game industry?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I don't know, maybe because it hasn't been 500 million years since Quake 2 released? I also didn't know that all games made with DirectX not only don't take 500 million year to make but they all become hits. Wow, you learn new things everyday here in SW.kuraimen

so.. you're taking a hyperbole and treating as god and putting words in my mouth all on the same post?

not a lot of people can do that you know, you should feel honoured

that it takes more time and that it's harder to pull the same kind of graphics fidelity with Open GL then it is with Direct X?

I'd say that the fact that Direct X is the widely used API Even before the original xbox was launched pretty much makes accuracy of my case for me

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="alexside1"] It's a figure of expression.ohthemanatee

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Still a very inacurate one when the guy is saying that the tools OpenGL provides are highly useless while some people are making games on par with any other current game (like Rage).kuraimen

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

and i'm sure you can prove all of that

or maybe, just maybe, Direct X is actually the better API and has been for over a decade

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

so.. you're taking a hyperbole and treating as god and putting words in my mouth all on the same post?

not a lot of people can do that you know, you should feel honoured

ohthemanatee

that it takes more time and that it's harder to pull the same kind of graphics fidelity with Open GL then it is with Direct X?

I'd say that the fact that Direct X is the widely used API Even before the original xbox was launched pretty much makes accuracy of my case for me

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] A hyperbole that is as innacurate as what you tried to express with it.kuraimen

that it takes more time and that it's harder to pull the same kind of graphics fidelity with Open GL then it is with Direct X?

I'd say that the fact that Direct X is the widely used API Even before the original xbox was launched pretty much makes accuracy of my case for me

of course you can, but is it worth the extra hassle? survey says no

Online console gaming...Fightingfan

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Dreamcast had it before Xbox, so did PS2

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

ohthemanatee

and i'm sure you can prove all of that

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Online console gaming...HaloinventedFPS

derp
Dreamcast had it before Xbox, so did PS2

so we agree that sony contributed nothing to gaming then?

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Funny that your username is "haloinventedFPS" and yet it's MS that made halo.Funconsole

Microsoft made Halo?

Halo was made by bungie, it was also going to be PC exclusive, before Microsoft bought bungie out

Omega Derp

In 1999, Bungie announced its next product, Halo, as a first-person action game for Windows and Macintosh.[15]Halo's public unveiling occurred at the Macworld Expo 1999 keynote address by Apple's then-interim-CEO Steve Jobs (after a closed-door screening at E3 in 1999).[15]

On June 19, 2000, soon after Halo's preview at Electronic Entertainment Expo 2000, Microsoft announced that it had acquired Bungie Software and that Bungie would become a part of the Microsoft Game Division under the name Bungie Studios. Halo would be developed as an exclusive title for

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Microsoft monopoly, Microsoft deals with hardware companies, Microsoft's usual way of doing business. OpenGL is a prefectly good alternative.kuraimen

and i'm sure you can prove all of that

OpenGL isn't used because the Khronos Group allowed it to stagnate and become worse than DX in just about every conceivable way. ATI and Intel hardly even bother to update their OpenGL drivers anymore, which makes trying to use it for a commercial product a painful experience

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Online console gaming...HaloinventedFPS

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Dreamcast had it before Xbox, so did PS2

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

that it takes more time and that it's harder to pull the same kind of graphics fidelity with Open GL then it is with Direct X?

I'd say that the fact that Direct X is the widely used API Even before the original xbox was launched pretty much makes accuracy of my case for me

ohthemanatee

of course you can, but is it worth the extra hassle? survey says no

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

ohthemanatee

and i'm sure you can prove all of that

or maybe, just maybe, Direct X is actually the better API and has been for over a decade

Snowball effect, Microsoft's monopoly made all devs get too used to Directx

Carmack said Opengl is better , end of story, stop debating this, come back when you do the first 3D voxel engine before carmack and ill listen to you

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="alexside1"] It's a figure of expression.ohthemanatee

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I can be harder for some things, better for others. The thing is people can make games on par with any DirectX game with it.kuraimen

of course you can, but is it worth the extra hassle? survey says no

and proof of these tactics are where again?

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Online console gaming...HaloinventedFPS

derp
Dreamcast had it before Xbox, so did PS2

Except MS popularized it and made it easy to use.

Meanwhile Dreamcast was a pain in the ass and the PS2? Well it was umm, ok but so basic

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I can be harder for some things, better for others. The thing is people can make games on par with any DirectX game with it.kuraimen

of course you can, but is it worth the extra hassle? survey says no

Microsoft still have a strong monopoly to this day

Snowball effect, Microsoft's monopoly made all devs get too used to Directx

Carmack said Opengl is better , end of story, stop debating this, come back when you do the first 3D voxel engine before carmack and ill listen to you

HaloinventedFPS

I like it how you said gamespot and reviews don't count because "their just opinions"

but suddenly carmack's opinion counts

isn't this what is known as hipocrisy?

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Online console gaming...EliteM0nk3y

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Dreamcast had it before Xbox, so did PS2

Except MS popularized it and made it easy to use.

Meanwhile Dreamcast was a pain in the ass and the PS2? Well it was umm, ok but so basic

they didnt invent it, end of story

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Snowball effect, Microsoft's monopoly made all devs get too used to Directx

Carmack said Opengl is better , end of story, stop debating this, come back when you do the first 3D voxel engine before carmack and ill listen to you

ohthemanatee

I like it how you said gamespot and reviews don't count because "their just opinions"

but suddenly carmack's opinion counts

isn't this what is known as hipocrisy?

because Carmack is the best in the industry at what he does, you havent done anything compared to him

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

derp
Dreamcast had it before Xbox, so did PS2

HaloinventedFPS

Except MS popularized it and made it easy to use.

Meanwhile Dreamcast was a pain in the ass and the PS2? Well it was umm, ok but so basic

they didnt invent it, end of story

so you agree that sony hasn't contributed anything to the gaming industry then?

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

derp
Dreamcast had it before Xbox, so did PS2

HaloinventedFPS

Except MS popularized it and made it easy to use.

Meanwhile Dreamcast was a pain in the ass and the PS2? Well it was umm, ok but so basic

they didnt invent it, end of story

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Still a very inacurate one when the guy is saying that the tools OpenGL provides are highly useless while some people are making games on par with any other current game (like Rage).WilliamRLBaker

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

Opengl isnt dead, its the future

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Snowball effect, Microsoft's monopoly made all devs get too used to Directx

Carmack said Opengl is better , end of story, stop debating this, come back when you do the first 3D voxel engine before carmack and ill listen to you

I like it how you said gamespot and reviews don't count because "their just opinions"

but suddenly carmack's opinion counts

isn't this what is known as hipocrisy?

because Carmack is the best in the industry at what he does, you havent done anything compared to him

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Snowball effect, Microsoft's monopoly made all devs get too used to Directx

Carmack said Opengl is better , end of story, stop debating this, come back when you do the first 3D voxel engine before carmack and ill listen to you

HaloinventedFPS

I like it how you said gamespot and reviews don't count because "their just opinions"

but suddenly carmack's opinion counts

isn't this what is known as hipocrisy?

because Carmack is the best in the industry at what he does, you havent done anything compared to him

Carmack is the best in the industry? at what? yes he's a coding genius, but when was the last time ID produced an engine that was the benchmark for everything else? the quake 2 engine maybe?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

of course you can, but is it worth the extra hassle? survey says no

ohthemanatee

and proof of these tactics are where again?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

Opengl isnt dead, its the future

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

HaloinventedFPS

Opengl isnt dead, its the future

you are right, it isn't dead.

Whether or not it's the future it's hard to say, it's the main API for PC's, the Xbox, Windows phone 7 and the Zune

the PS3 is open-GL compatible, but not 100% meaning there are Open GL tools that don't function on it, and sometimes even the ones that do work on the PS3 don't work as perfectly as they should

You know being good for 'the industry' or whatever doesn't simply come down to a check-box list of who did what first. I think Microsoft have been pretty decent in so far as they've released a good console with good games. Gaming is definitely better with the xbox. They aint perfect (by a long shot) but they're no worse than Sony or Nintendo. Ninja-Hippo

I agree to that and they brought competition to Sony and made them run for their money

lmao @ carmack isnt the best

fanboys man.. fanboys

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The survey can also say that M$ monopolizing tactics are working.kuraimen

and proof of these tactics are where again?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Still a very inacurate one when the guy is saying that the tools OpenGL provides are highly useless while some people are making games on par with any other current game (like Rage).WilliamRLBaker

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

Except MS popularized it and made it easy to use.

Meanwhile Dreamcast was a pain in the ass and the PS2? Well it was umm, ok but so basic

ohthemanatee

they didnt invent it, end of story

so you agree that sony hasn't contributed anything to the gaming industry then?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

and proof of these tactics are where again?

ohthemanatee

PS3 games

All games released this gen for Mac also.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

great, so why don't more people use open GL again? oh right... DX is widely considered to be the better API

kuraimen

you mean besides the fact taht open gl was falling behind on it's own without the aid of microsoft?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I don't know, where is the proof that the survey's results is because one API is far better than the other? kuraimen

like what ?

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

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Dreamcast had it before Xbox, so did PS2

HaloinventedFPS

Except MS popularized it and made it easy to use.

Meanwhile Dreamcast was a pain in the ass and the PS2? Well it was umm, ok but so basic

they didnt invent it, end of story

So Nintendo, Sony, Sega, Atari haven't contributed to consoles since they didn't invent them?

Incase you were wondering, the Magnavox Odyssey was the first video game console.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] name me 10 high profile games that use Open GL from this gen alone

ohthemanatee

like what ?

here, i'll even help you

are there even 10 current gen games in there that are not mac exclusive?

looking at the list even if you do count the mac versions it looks like it just barely reaches the number 10

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] PS3 gamesohthemanatee

like what ?

here, i'll even help you

are there even 10 current gen games in there that are not mac exclusive?

looking at the list even if you do count the mac versions it looks like it just barely reaches the number 10

I give them online on consoles last gen. But its Sonys made it equal by now

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

like what ?

kuraimen

here, i'll even help you

are there even 10 current gen games in there that are not mac exclusive?

looking at the list even if you do count the mac versions it looks like it just barely reaches the number 10

so what you are saying is that the developers should stop trying to use the best tools and switch to and API hat gimps them, will take longer for it to achieve the same experience which results in higher budgets for games, simply because "Microsoft is teh evil"?

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

Except MS popularized it and made it easy to use.

Meanwhile Dreamcast was a pain in the ass and the PS2? Well it was umm, ok but so basic

EliteM0nk3y

they didnt invent it, end of story

So Nintendo, Sony, Sega, Atari haven't contributed to consoles since they didn't invent them?

Incase you were wondering, the Magnavox Odyssey was the first video game console.

Let me change that, your essentially that it DOESN'T MATTER what Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Sega, Atari, etc have contributed to consoles because they didn't invent them.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

here, i'll even help you

are there even 10 current gen games in there that are not mac exclusive?

looking at the list even if you do count the mac versions it looks like it just barely reaches the number 10

ohthemanatee

so what you are saying is that the developers should stop trying to use thebest tools and switch to open GL because microsoft is evil?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

here, i'll even help you

are there even 10 current gen games in there that are not mac exclusive?

looking at the list even if you do count the mac versions it looks like it just barely reaches the number 10

ohthemanatee

so what you are saying is that the developers should stop trying to use thebest tools and switch to open GL because microsoft is evil?

No I say people should support OpenGL because it actually is as good as DirectXkuraimen

and it promotes diversity in the industry instead of supporting a monopoly that hurts the industry more.kuraimen