What's with Western obssession of shooting games?

It's like Western cannot make games unless they involve somebody carrying a gun and shoot stuff. They even turn games of other genre, which usually doesn't have shooting machanism, into shooting stuff. This obssesion is infesting Japanese game industry. If this gun obsessed infection continues and gets bigger, one of these days, Nintendo might give Mario or Link a gun and turn their games into shooters.

It's not that I'm obsessed with shooting it's more that I'm obsessed with killing both in and out of video games. Guns are just a nice fast way to kill both people and computer simulated people alike.

I don't understand the fascination, manshooters became boring for me a while ago. That is ok though, because I'm up to my eyeballs in WRPGs on the backlog,

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

GeoffZak

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

GeoffZak

And yet Western devs have created RPGs, simulators, and strategy games more complex than anything created in Japan.

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

GeoffZak

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Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

Dj-Dampleaf

Skyrim is as shallow as you can get, that is part of the appeal. The game is more about beating in heads and exploring the world then min/maxing. I haven't played Fable 3, but I've heard its pretty shallow too, and I have no idea on Forza since those aren't my types of games.

[QUOTE="Dj-Dampleaf"][QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

Whiteblade999

Skyrim is as shallow as you can get, that is part of the appeal. The game is more about beating in heads and exploring the world then min/maxing. I haven't played Fable 3, but I've heard its pretty shallow too, and I have no idea on Forza since those aren't my types of games.

I know, right?

And what's with the Eastern obsessions with idiotic story lines and effiminate guys with giant, spiky hair and zero gameplay?

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

GeoffZak

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.GeoffZak

It's a lot more enticing to simply shoot some dude in face when I get home from work rather than wading through longs stories and menus.

Plenty of Western games that don't involve shooting, you just have to be willing to look.

Some of you whiners see what you want in gaming.

If magic and swords was all the rage you'd be talking about how awesome your shooting game is. Grow up.

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[QUOTE="Dj-Dampleaf"] Yet your a Tales Fan... and most FFXIII sales were in the West.... and Fabel 3, Skyrim, and Forza are for people with short attention spans? TC what evidence do you have to make your post make a tiny bit more sense or did you just make a "I post and no reply" thread?Dj-Dampleaf

Skyrim is as shallow as you can get, that is part of the appeal. The game is more about beating in heads and exploring the world then min/maxing. I haven't played Fable 3, but I've heard its pretty shallow too, and I have no idea on Forza since those aren't my types of games.

Shooters allow for a quick, fun release with minimal thought involved nor personal investment needed except twitch skills from the player to enjoy themselves. Like Bay films. People go for a fun popcorn flick as it entertains them, they don't want to see a movie such as Schindler's List and have to contemplate it.

It's mindless fun, and after a long days work people don't want to work anymore (though I've never understood how games are intellectually taxing, unless you're playing DCS Black Shark or something). RPGs, strategy and the like relax me, they are not work. If it's work for others, I have to wonder...

Most console shooter fans are casual gamers. Casual gamers make up a large majority of the market, and that's what sells. Because of that, the market is flooded with those types of games.

I guess since COD is the popular thing in mainstream gaming I guess every other game has to have it. It would be so bizarre to see a Mario game with shooting or Zelda.

What shooting? My favorite game is FSX and there's no killing whatsoever. Heck, it's even useful as a teaching aid.

What shooting? My favorite game is FSX and there's no killing whatsoever. Heck, it's even useful as a teaching aid.

jun_aka_pekto

Carburetor icing all day long

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

[QUOTE="Dj-Dampleaf"] Yet your a Tales Fan... and most FFXIII sales were in the West.... and Fabel 3, Skyrim, and Forza are for people with short attention spans? TC what evidence do you have to make your post make a tiny bit more sense or did you just make a "I post and no reply" thread?Dj-Dampleaf

Skyrim is as shallow as you can get, that is part of the appeal. The game is more about beating in heads and exploring the world then min/maxing. I haven't played Fable 3, but I've heard its pretty shallow too, and I have no idea on Forza since those aren't my types of games.

Lets compare a real time action adventure game (I refuse to call Skyrim an RPG) to a turn based JRPG, seems completely legit.

1.They have an appeal to them.

2.They're popular.

3.People keep buying them.

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What shooting? My favorite game is FSX and there's no killing whatsoever. Heck, it's even useful as a teaching aid.

whiskeystrike

Carburetor icing all day long

Letting pilots know icing (and turbulence) areas were my bread n butter for a very long time.:lol:

Most console shooter fans are casual gamers. Casual gamers make up a large majority of the market, and that's what sells. Because of that, the market is flooded with those types of games.

Bigboi500

It's no more flooded with shooters than it is any other genre.

The only difference is shooters get more advertising.

I know, right?

And what's with the Eastern obsessions with idiotic story lines and effiminate guys with giant, spiky hair and zero gameplay?

Kinthalis

keyboard + mouse + headset/mouthpiece + Lays + gatorade = Western Gamerhippiesanta

dead from dehydration in an internet cafe after 48hrs of starcraft = eastern gamer

I can play this game too

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

Dj-Dampleaf

I really don't understand why people say things like that. Something wrong with the Tales series? There's a lot to learn about Tales of Graces f's combat system. My friends who try to play co-op with me while I'm in the middle of the game have to take a decent amount of time to learn the controls and rules of the game. The Tales games aren't simple hack n slash games.

Fable 3? Really? Moving on.

Skyrim. Now there's a decent western RPG. What I don't like about the game though is that it doesn't require a lot of strategy. It's more of an action game.

As for the rest, I didn't say ALL western gamers. I didn't think I had to be that specific. What I should've said was "most western gamers." I was talking about the growing crowd of casual and bro-gamers. Most gamers I've talked to in real life fall in to one of those categories.

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

GeoffZak

Its one of MANY popular genres... way to generalize though. TheEroica

Who knows.. what's japan's obsession with dating games? Again who knows.

What's with the Eastern obsession of pre teen girls w/ DD's that are half naked?

Or we could focus on the easts total lack of innovation in game design.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.GeoffZak

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.DraugenCP

It's like Western cannot make games unless they involve somebody carrying a gun and shoot stuff. They even turn games of other genre, which usually doesn't have shooting machanism, into shooting stuff. This obssesion is infesting Japanese game industry. If this gun obsessed infection continues and gets bigger, one of these days, Nintendo might give Mario or Link a gun and turn their games into shooters.

nchan

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[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.NaturalDisplay

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

Ly_the_Fairy

And yet Western devs have created RPGs, simulators, and strategy games more complex than anything created in Japan.

[QUOTE="NaturalDisplay"][QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Log out.blue_hazy_basic

But he is making a very valid point.NaturalDisplay