Who is the most overrated figurehead in the gaming industry?

Wow, just wow. I can't believe there are so many mentions of Peter molyneux. He is by far the best and most powerful Game Developer. If you play some of his older games like Dungeon keeper and Black & white, ( or even the movies, which is his underrated great Tycoon game) you will understand how good is he in creating innovative and engaging games. judge him by the games he creates, no the things he says and you can't help but to adore him.herzalot

most people here don't play PC games or/and are too young to remember Molyneux's prime

Even if you don't like the Fable games two AA scores are nothing to sneeze at (and in Fable 2's case an 89 on metacritic)

Looks like the winner is Cliffy B. He's the one i get annoyed with the most anyway....

who the hell voted miyamoto,hes far from overrated...actually none of these guys are overrated but miyamoto?

*loads shotgun*

[QUOTE="herzalot"]Wow, just wow. I can't believe there are so many mentions of Peter molyneux. He is by far the best and most powerful Game Developer. If you play some of his older games like Dungeon keeper and Black & white, ( or even the movies, which is his underrated great Tycoon game) you will understand how good is he in creating innovative and engaging games. judge him by the games he creates, no the things he says and you can't help but to adore him.ohthemanatee

most people here don't play PC games or/and are too young to remember Molyneux's prime

Even if you don't like the Fable games two AA scores are nothing to sneeze at (and in Fable 2's case an 89 on metacritic)

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="StrifeXIII"]I would say Miyamoto.. He did do some good things in the past.. but now, he is not as good.StrifeXIII

thats your opinion but fact is SMG2 is the latest amazing thing that nobody could match yet so yea

Kojima, Miyamoto, Sakaguchi, Uematsu

All proven, excellent developers that are placed on a pedestal a little too high.

hakanakumono

so tell me who makes better games then them. especially miyamoto and kojima

very few people are saying their games arent that good but who makes better games then their games?

that peter guy who sounds like a stuck up rich snob

that peter guy who sounds like a stuck up rich snob

bigM10231

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that peter guy who sounds like a stuck up rich snob

CentricStorm

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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] Peter Molyneux created a sub-genre, more then I can say for Kojima and Cliff Bleszinskyohthemanatee

Not really, Kojima and the Metal Gear series seems to be more appreciated and more of a success in the gaming community.

how is that related to what I said? Kojima's games are sucessfull be he never created anything new. The stealth genre already existed before kojima

Molyneux created the god games. and He still creates great games

Warren Spector by far. Don't get me wrong, he's amazing dude, but the guy desiged one game..Deus Ex and then had a hand in Deus Ex: IW...nothing else. He gets credited for stuff Thief, SystemShock, Ultima Crusader or Wind Commander where he barely did anything during development of those games. He wasn't lead designer in any of them, or even designer of any kind in most of those

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Kojima, Miyamoto, Sakaguchi, Uematsu

All proven, excellent developers that are placed on a pedestal a little too high.

Mario1331

so tell me who makes better games then them. especially miyamoto and kojima

very few people are saying their games arent that good but who makes better games then their games?

Kojima's primary contribution is the MGS series. By score alone, MGS or Mario isnt the best of the best. i'd say the award goes to the GTA series. 3 full games on ps2, 1 on ps3 with 2 expansions, all of which got 9.0 above. If we ignore the expansions, all of them got 9.6 and above. Which other developer managed to consistently obtain 9.6 and above for 4 full games of one franchise consecutively? None. Not even Kojima nor Blizzard nor Valve did it. And the irony is that I didn't even have to include Red Dead Redemption to the list.

So, by game reception alone, ie. scores, Rockstar is the best developer. Unfortunately, Rockstar doesn't quite have a vocal 'figurehead' of a similar reputation like Miyamoto or Kojima. Because if they did, his voice would mean more than Kojima's or Miyamoto's.

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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Kojima, Miyamoto, Sakaguchi, Uematsu

All proven, excellent developers that are placed on a pedestal a little too high.

jhcho2

so tell me who makes better games then them. especially miyamoto and kojima

very few people are saying their games arent that good but who makes better games then their games?

Kojima's primary contribution is the MGS series. By score alone, MGS or Mario isnt the best of the best. i'd say the award goes to the GTA series. 3 full games on ps2, 1 on ps3 with 2 expansions, all of which got 9.0 above. If we ignore the expansions, all of them got 9.6 and above. Which other developer managed to consistently obtain 9.6 and above for 4 full games of one franchise consecutively? None. Not even Kojima nor Blizzard nor Valve did it. And the irony is that I didn't even have to include Red Dead Redemption to the list.

So, by game reception alone, ie. scores, Rockstar is the best developer. Unfortunately, Rockstar doesn't quite have a vocal 'figurehead' of a similar reputation like Miyamoto or Kojima. Because if they did, his voice would mean more than Kojima's or Miyamoto's.

And Rockstar can't have a guy like Kojima or Miyamoto, those are guys who really create and design their games, there's no one person in Rockstar who had this much control over all GTA games.

Yu Suzuki unless he makes....

Shenmue 3 soon !!!

j/k :P

Yu Suzuki unless he makes....

Shenmue 3 soon !!!

j/k :P

SecretPolice

Unfortunatedly,Yu Suzuki has lost the power to decide anything a long time ago,apparently the man isn´t relevant for sega anymore.

A shame,I´ve been waiting for that game for a long time,and I´m sure Ryo and Shenhua aren´t pleased by the fact of being stuck in a cave for the last decade:P

▲ Miyamoto and Kojima. ▲

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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

so tell me who makes better games then them. especially miyamoto and kojima

very few people are saying their games arent that good but who makes better games then their games?

AdrianWerner

Kojima's primary contribution is the MGS series. By score alone, MGS or Mario isnt the best of the best. i'd say the award goes to the GTA series. 3 full games on ps2, 1 on ps3 with 2 expansions, all of which got 9.0 above. If we ignore the expansions, all of them got 9.6 and above. Which other developer managed to consistently obtain 9.6 and above for 4 full games of one franchise consecutively? None. Not even Kojima nor Blizzard nor Valve did it. And the irony is that I didn't even have to include Red Dead Redemption to the list.

So, by game reception alone, ie. scores, Rockstar is the best developer. Unfortunately, Rockstar doesn't quite have a vocal 'figurehead' of a similar reputation like Miyamoto or Kojima. Because if they did, his voice would mean more than Kojima's or Miyamoto's.

And Rockstar can't have a guy like Kojima or Miyamoto, those are guys who really create and design their games, there's no one person in Rockstar who had this much control over all GTA games.

That's primarily due to the fact that Rockstar has about 10 divisions. It's fairer to give credit to Rockstar North.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Yu Suzuki unless he makes....

Shenmue 3 soon !!!

j/k :P

Arach666

Unfortunatedly,Yu Suzuki has lost the power to decide anything a long time ago,apparently the man isn´t relevant for sega anymore.

A shame,I´ve been waiting for that game for a long time,and I´m sure Ryo and Shenhua aren´t pleased by the fact of being stuck in a cave for the last decade:P

Yeah I know and it's so sad when ya think his original plan for Shenmue was to have about 10 chapters.:o Oh well, perhaps some day we will at least get those poor souls outta the cave.

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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Yu Suzuki unless he makes....

Shenmue 3 soon !!!

j/k :P

SecretPolice

Unfortunatedly,Yu Suzuki has lost the power to decide anything a long time ago,apparently the man isn´t relevant for sega anymore.

A shame,I´ve been waiting for that game for a long time,and I´m sure Ryo and Shenhua aren´t pleased by the fact of being stuck in a cave for the last decade:P

Yeah I know and it's so sad when ya think his original plan for Shenmue was to have about 10 chapters.:o Oh well, perhaps some day we will at least get those poor souls outta the cave.

That's primarily due to the fact that Rockstar has about 10 divisions. It's fairer to give credit to Rockstar North.

jhcho2

Cliffy B. by far. More than anything because he's the new kid in town. Eventually I think he'll be in the same tier as the rest of em.

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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Unfortunatedly,Yu Suzuki has lost the power to decide anything a long time ago,apparently the man isn´t relevant for sega anymore.

A shame,I´ve been waiting for that game for a long time,and I´m sure Ryo and Shenhua aren´t pleased by the fact of being stuck in a cave for the last decade:P

Arach666

Yeah I know and it's so sad when ya think his original plan for Shenmue was to have about 10 chapters.:o Oh well, perhaps some day we will at least get those poor souls outta the cave.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Yu Suzuki unless he makes....

Shenmue 3 soon !!!

j/k :P

Arach666

Unfortunatedly,Yu Suzuki has lost the power to decide anything a long time ago,apparently the man isn´t relevant for sega anymore.

A shame,I´ve been waiting for that game for a long time,and I´m sure Ryo and Shenhua aren´t pleased by the fact of being stuck in a cave for the last decade:P

I wish they would release a series of novels or just something that ends the story. Shenmue 2 had such an amazing ending that had me on the edge of my seat. The final disk taking place in Guilin was so good. A nice change of pace.

They're all overated because i said so!

Tetsuya Nomura. Being a PC gamer, i find it hard for me to respect him.

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Not really, Kojima and the Metal Gear series seems to be more appreciated and more of a success in the gaming community.

metalgear-solid

how is that related to what I said? Kojima's games are sucessfull be he never created anything new. The stealth genre already existed before kojima

Molyneux created the god games. and He still creates great games

It was an improvment over castle wolfenstein in many aspects yes. but the stealth genre already existed

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[QUOTE="herzalot"]Wow, just wow. I can't believe there are so many mentions of Peter molyneux. He is by far the best and most powerful Game Developer. If you play some of his older games like Dungeon keeper and Black & white, ( or even the movies, which is his underrated great Tycoon game) you will understand how good is he in creating innovative and engaging games. judge him by the games he creates, no the things he says and you can't help but to adore him.edo-tensei

most people here don't play PC games or/and are too young to remember Molyneux's prime

Even if you don't like the Fable games two AA scores are nothing to sneeze at (and in Fable 2's case an 89 on metacritic)

and you always attack anything MS.

Sure the guy oversells his games, but at least his games are unique, more then I can say for Cliffy B.

Thread fails because none of these guys are figureheads. A figurehead is just there and has no say over what goes on. That is none of them.

And none of them are overrated. Just because you don't like something someone developed doesn't mean anything. Get over yourself.

Really feel bad for people voting for Kojima he's easily top 3 game dev's ever. His talent is insane, his games push every aspect of game making, Graphics, Sound, Music, Story, Production Values, Gameplay, Personality, Innovation, Refinement, Originality. Specially with people like Cliffy B, how can someone say Kojima is more overrated then Cliffy B? That's just absurd, I guess the TC is the real one to blame.TehNubTuber

Sure, Kojima's great. If you like an incredibly poorly written story.

John Carmack badtaker

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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Kojima, Miyamoto, Sakaguchi, Uematsu

All proven, excellent developers that are placed on a pedestal a little too high.

jhcho2

so tell me who makes better games then them. especially miyamoto and kojima

very few people are saying their games arent that good but who makes better games then their games?

Kojima's primary contribution is the MGS series. By score alone, MGS or Mario isnt the best of the best. i'd say the award goes to the GTA series. 3 full games on ps2, 1 on ps3 with 2 expansions, all of which got 9.0 above. If we ignore the expansions, all of them got 9.6 and above. Which other developer managed to consistently obtain 9.6 and above for 4 full games of one franchise consecutively? None. Not even Kojima nor Blizzard nor Valve did it. And the irony is that I didn't even have to include Red Dead Redemption to the list.

So, by game reception alone, ie. scores, Rockstar is the best developer. Unfortunately, Rockstar doesn't quite have a vocal 'figurehead' of a similar reputation like Miyamoto or Kojima. Because if they did, his voice would mean more than Kojima's or Miyamoto's.

wao Mario has the top two highes rated games this generation idk why you would give that to rockstar when none of their games are rated higher then Mario galaxy 2 or 1

[QUOTE="badtaker"]John Carmack AdrianWerner

Peter Molyneux.

RadecSupreme

Miyamoto

Outside of the 3 Mario games this gen hes done nothing for the wii

Miyamoto

Outside of the 3 Mario games this gen hes done nothing for the wii

Ballroompirate

Wii sports and Wii sports 2? and before you sign them off, each scored 7.8 and 8.0 respectively.

And you cant just say outside of the 3 mario games. Because within them you have a 10 a 9.5 and an 8.5. Its like saying what has bioware done outside of their 3 games this gen (Mass effect 9.0, ME2, 9.0, Dragon Age 9.5).

Everyone one those has contributed to gaming in a very significant way (Mityamoto, Carmack), or at least created an exceptionally good game(s) (Kojima, Bleszinsky).

So none of them is overrated.

My pick would be Peter Molyneux.

IronBass

Molyneux has both contributed to gaming in a very significant way and has created exceptionally good games...so..what the hell are you talking about?AdrianWerner

Miyamoto

Outside of the 3 Mario games this gen hes done nothing for the wii

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Miyamoto

Outside of the 3 Mario games this gen hes done nothing for the wii

IronBass

And all 3 are worse than Super Mario 64 and 1000x worse than the SNES marios all hes done is water down the series.

And only fanboys bring up reviews/a game rating

And all 3 are worse than Super Mario 64 and 1000x worse than the SNES marios all hes done is water down the series.Ballroompirate

It's first time I've heard somebody think that. Oh well, if you think that I supose I understand why you consider him overrated.

Even if it does not explain how thatmakes him worse than what people think of him.

And only fanboys bring up reviews/a game ratingBallroompirate

That's simply not true.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Molyneux has both contributed to gaming in a very significant way and has created exceptionally good games...so..what the hell are you talking about?IronBass

I see a lot of AAA and AA scores on his track record...ohthemanatee