Who is the most overrated figurehead in the gaming industry?

So basically

14% of voters are voting just for the lulz and 17% goes to Peter Molyneux

Btw I voted Cliff! Dunno why, I just guessed he would be considered the most overrated amongst them ;p I have not played his games.

No, I mean like creating engines and programming techniques that have influenced many many many games.

IronBass

As I said in my last post, depends on the sub-genre, and depends on the franchises. Gears of War and MGS are two of the biggest franchises in gaming right now. When was the las impactful God game released?IronBass

THat's in the past though. He's last engines have been flopping, id lost it's position as premiere engine seller and lost their position as the very best graphics developer. So why is it ok for Carmack to live in it's former glory, but not for Molyneux?AdrianWerner

Plenty of modern city-builder and managmnet games are heavily influenced by both Dungeon Keeper and PopulousAdrianWerner

And? The Death Metal genre existed before the band Death, but Chuck Schuldiner(the man behind Death) is still seen as the father of Death Metal because he made music that was more "true" to it's genre, rather than the earlier band Possessed which was thrashy where Death was brutal. A bit of an off-topic example, but I hope you get my point.

araksik

Because what did, even if old, has been way more significant.IronBass

Wow, City-builder and management games :o That does not sound too relevant.IronBass

WHat did he do that was so relevant?AdrianWerner

He has either created or made possible many of the most popular programming techniques tahtare/have been used in many games, even today.

definitly more relevant than anything Kojima or Cliffy ever didAdrianWerner

Nah. Creating franchises such as MGS or GeoW is far more relevant than influencing city builders. City builders...

I cant believe that so many people are actually questioning Carmacks contribution to gaming. I guess thats becouse there are more console players here than pc but still...know your history people.

O_o Really?toast_burner

Miyamoto's games are credited asa huge factor in the salvation and expansionof console gaming and gaming as a whole.IronBass

Gaming as a whole would survive just fine without Miyamoto. And I did write he was a whole different weight class from Molyneyx. I was just making fun of you claiming creating a subgenre isn't much. Which was especially funny considering neither Kojima, nor Cliffy can claim to do even this much.

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do not compare miyamoto and molyneux they are not on the same level peter made an impact but gaming would not be as big if the wii was not created and tapped into a completely different market.

your really downplaying the hell out of miyamoto right now their track records are not even comparable. Fable does not equal Mario at all

He has either created or made possible many of the most popular programming techniques tahtare/have been used in many games, even today.IronBass

He's a graphics programmer. All he did was bring the existing 3D techniques into videogames format. Without him other devs would still do the same thing, heck..they were doing the same thing even back then, just not as good

Nah. Creating franchises such as MGS or GeoW is far more relevant than influencing city builders. City builders...

IronBass

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]O_o Really?IronBass

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]O_o Really?IronBass

He's a graphics programmer. All he did was bring the existing 3D techniques into videogames format. Without him other devs would still do the same thing, heck..they were doing the same thing even back then, just not as goodAdrianWerner

This is one of those rare cases in which I'm forced to choose between what a lot of people say or what single poster in SW say.

It's kinda like "gaming would have been fine w/o Miyamoto".

So I stand by my previous statemen: he made possible many of the most popular programming techniques.

If you don't believe that, good for you :)

No, it's not. Creating a stealth IP that had zero effect on the rest of the industry and creating one cliched shooting series are both less relevant than impact on god genre/city builders. Molyneux's contribution to gaming is bigger than both Kojima's and Cliffy's combinedAdrianWerner

I say it's, you say it's not. We kinda ran out of arguments, didn't we?

Fact is, Gears and MGS are far bigger franchise these days than any city builder. So...

City builders are great. I have more hours on Tropico 3 then any TPS.toast_burner

indeed...city-builders > TPSAdrianWerner

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He has either created or made possible many of the most popular programming techniques tahtare/have been used in many games, even today.AdrianWerner

He's a graphics programmer. All he did was bring the existing 3D techniques into videogames format. Without him other devs would still do the same thing, heck..they were doing the same thing even back then, just not as good

Nah. Creating franchises such as MGS or GeoW is far more relevant than influencing city builders. City builders...

IronBass

What does the ">>>" mean in this case? Better? Subjective. .IronBass

What I'm trying to say is that Gears has has a pretty decent influence this gen so far.

jg4xchamp

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What I'm trying to say is that Gears has has a pretty decent influence this gen so far.

AdrianWerner

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It's kinda like "gaming would have been fine w/o Miyamoto", lulz.AdrianWerner

yes, gaming as a whole would survive just fine without Miyamoto. You claimed he saved gaming, which is obviously not true. Your other statements are almost as ridiculous as this one, but if you want to all believe that be my guest :)

I say it's, you say it's not. We kinda ran out of arguments, didn't we?

Fact is, Gears and MGS are far bigger franchise these days than any city builder. So...

IronBass

What's more..Sims spawned directly from god genre and managgment games and it's bigger than all CliffyB and Kojima's games combined...so yeah..there's that too.

You know, I have the feeling I saw this same post a couple of pages ago. At this point it's a "that's more relevant" vs "no, that's more", so I think it's a good moment to consider this discussion finished.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]O_o Really?IronBass

Hey, I just got this apple its definitely more tasty that your orangeLookAnDrolL

[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"]Hey, I just got this apple its definitely more tasty that your orangeIronBass

Quite true, ever since Gears 1 showed how a cover system should be done, we started seeing it in most third person shooters, and even in FPS games like Rainbow six and Killzone 2. The cover system wasn't even a staple feature in previous games. Now, it's like a basic requirement. A game gets bashed for not having it like how Transformers:WFC did.

Peter Molyneux and Bobby Kotick. I keep saying, when Peter opens mouth crap starts pouring out. And Kotick's just an idiot IQ less then 70.

Peter Molyneux and Bobby Kotick. I keep saying, when Peter opens mouth crap starts pouring out. And Kotick's just an idiot IQ less then 70.

TheVGamer