Why are some pc gamers hating on the ps4 sooo much?

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#301 VanDammFan
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Hermits...complain and put consoles down all you want. We'll continue to support the business in a HUGE way that you Hermits cant seem to do..Developers know consoles are the better platform..has been since PONG and will be in the next 20 years..get over it..PC might have prettier graphics "not by much anyways"..but it will NEVER be the driving force in videogame sales or development...thanks for your time..now go download your stolen copy of BG3 that flopped..;)

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#304 ImBatman-
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They are just scared of the PS4. It's completely normal. A cheaper system with better graphics at the moment.

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#305 DragonfireXZ95
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They are just scared of the PS4. It's completely normal. A cheaper system with better graphics at the moment.

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You mean the moment it's not out?You mean right now? You consolites really don't have a clue about common sense, do you?
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#307 ImBatman-
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[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They are just scared of the PS4. It's completely normal. A cheaper system with better graphics at the moment.

DragonfireXZ95

You mean the moment it's not out?You mean right now? You consolites really don't have a clue about common sense, do you?

Atleast we don't pay 3 times more for graphics most people can't even tell a difference between. But, I've got nothing against it if people find enjoyment in it.

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#309 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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Damage control man. It all comes down to damage control...

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#310 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] You mean the moment it's not out?You mean right now? You consolites really don't have a clue about common sense, do you?xboxiphoneps3

Atleast we don't pay 3 times more for graphics most people can't even tell a difference between. But, I've got nothing against it if people find enjoyment in it.

lol exactly... plus when do you ever hear/see "yo lets play games on your computer at your house bruh!" its usually "yo lets play some xbox or playstation" Consoles will be around for a extremely long time... hermits are just blind

lol pc's do more then just gaming hence higher price. and the fact next consoles are going with pc mid ranged hardware shows that consoles have already lost before even getting started. Most pc gamers here on GS know how to upgrade existing pc's which means that a single $230 upgrade would allow that pc to outperform the PS4,

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#311 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They are just scared of the PS4. It's completely normal. A cheaper system with better graphics at the moment.

ImBatman-

You mean the moment it's not out?You mean right now? You consolites really don't have a clue about common sense, do you?

Atleast we don't pay 3 times more for graphics most people can't even tell a difference between. But, I've got nothing against it if people find enjoyment in it.

I didn't realize you were most people. That must explain how you somehow think--at the moment--a console that's not out has better graphics than something that is out for the public actually play with. Your logic is about as sound as a cardboard tube holding up a deep underground cave system.
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#312 fadersdream
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Why are some pc gamers hating on the ps4 sooo much?


Haters gonna hate... it's all they know.

But honestly, every new generation is more of a threat.

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#313 04dcarraher
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Why are some pc gamers hating on the ps4 sooo much?


Haters gonna hate... it's all they know.

But honestly, every new generation is more of a threat.

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lol, its not a threat pc gamers arent bashing the ps4 its the fanboy's hyping
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#314 fadersdream
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[QUOTE="fadersdream"]

Why are some pc gamers hating on the ps4 sooo much?


Haters gonna hate... it's all they know.

But honestly, every new generation is more of a threat.

04dcarraher
lol, its not a threat pc gamers arent bashing the ps4 its the fanboy's hyping

They drive me nuts too, SW has been fanboy-centric today. I love when new systems come out, seeing new possibilities and watching my second favorite hobby grow and develop. Nothing sadder to me around here than knowing people willfully choose to not experience great amounts of joy because of loyalty to a company that is unaware of their sacrifice. Play Games, Have Fun.
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#315 Puckhog04
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I've already got an 8 core CPU in my PC...

What reason would I have to put down a platform that's inferior to my PC already? Simply put; None. I just don't really care for it.

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#316 gamecubepad
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They are just scared of the PS4. It's completely normal. A cheaper system with better graphics at the moment.

xboxiphoneps3

You mean the moment it's not out?You mean right now? You consolites really don't have a clue about common sense, do you?

 

when the PS4 comes out, i would like someone to see them build a $400-500 dollar PC matching the specs of the PS4.. wont happen 

I'll take you up on that around the time PS4 drops. $500-600 would be completely feasible. PC will have full B/C, full function OS, and since WiiU came out last year, PC will have a year of titles towards this generation as well. 

PS4 will be a great value, though. I'll wait until the 720/PS4 pricing is revealed and there's some games I want to jump in on either system.

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#317 Bebi_vegeta
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Hermits...complain and put consoles down all you want. We'll continue to support the business in a HUGE way that you Hermits cant seem to do..Developers know consoles are the better platform..has been since PONG and will be in the next 20 years..get over it..PC might have prettier graphics "not by much anyways"..but it will NEVER be the driving force in videogame sales or development...thanks for your time..now go download your stolen copy of BG3 that flopped..;)

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Who's complaining here ?

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#318 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

They are just scared of the PS4. It's completely normal. A cheaper system with better graphics at the moment.

ImBatman-

You mean the moment it's not out?You mean right now? You consolites really don't have a clue about common sense, do you?

Atleast we don't pay 3 times more for graphics most people can't even tell a difference between. But, I've got nothing against it if people find enjoyment in it.

Yet you can spot graphics difference when comparing a Ps3 to X360, lollll

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#319 Alienware_fan
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I've already got an 8 core CPU in my PC...

What reason would I have to put down a platform that's inferior to my PC already? Simply put; None. I just don't really care for it.

Puckhog04

What about r gpu and other stuff lol. You are clearly showing jelousy here.

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#320 nextgenjoke
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playstation fans are pc gamers.

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#322 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

I've already got an 8 core CPU in my PC...

What reason would I have to put down a platform that's inferior to my PC already? Simply put; None. I just don't really care for it.

xboxiphoneps3

too bad your 8 core cpu will be outclassed by the PS4 entirely...who cares about your CPU bruh..your PC wont be able to produce PS4 graphics

 

You got to be joking...

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#323 clyde46
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ITT : Cows not knowing what they are talking about and Hermits getting angry over nothing.

 

Just chill bro's. Least we have games to play, unlike the Lemmings who only have Netflix.

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#324 tenaka2
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Is it because they expected it to be less powerful? I see no other reason.

Alienware_fan

I think its more lems hating on it really. Herms are just making fun of the magic ram.

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#325 tormentos
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Large part... I wouldn't totaly agree, I do enjoy great graphics, but gameplay is probably my main factor of choice and input device (M&K). But I don't see how console can possible do more then 1080p... while PC are not limited too that at all... so graphics and performance ?

Well I haven't seen any comments that seem envious... infact, PS4 seems very welcome... just overly exaggerated by the enthousious PSony fan.

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That is because PC is not push any where near its limits on each hardware,i bet that if you take a Gforce Titan and code directly to the metal forgetting legacy and dropping windows API like Direct3D,it would produce something 10 times more impressive than Crysis 3 specially with 6GB of GDDR5 and the huge bandwidth it has,instead what the Titan doing is using its power to run the same code other weaker cards run,but faster that is a waste of power.
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#326 Lucianu
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From what paralel universe did you come from, thread starter? Because i sure as f*ck don't see anything you're seeing. 

I barely see anyone hating the PS4, or even disliking it. Especially from the hermit crowd, i've seen mostly positive feedback because it's a decently powerful piece of hardware. If you want hate, look at the Wii U. That's largely frowned upon by everyone. 

Now if some crowds hate the obsessive cows hyping it, that's a different matter.  

 

 

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#327 tormentos
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Which is a totally different matter of actually processing and rendering that amount of data fluidly.The cpu and harddrive/optical drive will also be a limiting factor in sending that much data to the gpu.04dcarraher
No that is you assuming something completely wrong,like it was posted on another thread Jaguar CPU seems under power but is actually more powerful than Cell which still on 2011 deliver some impressive physics simulations. The HDD is hardly a limitation on PC so it would not be on PS4,games can still be partially install or full installs like on PC.
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Which is a totally different matter of actually processing and rendering that amount of data fluidly.The cpu and harddrive/optical drive will also be a limiting factor in sending that much data to the gpu.tormentos
No that is you assuming something completely wrong,like it was posted on another thread Jaguar CPU seems under power but is actually more powerful than Cell which still on 2011 deliver some impressive physics simulations. The HDD is hardly a limitation on PC so it would not be on PS4,games can still be partially install or full installs like on PC.

yes the jaguar is faster then the cell it dont take much to do so to begin with. however for cpu intensive processing jobs that excludes workloads able to be done by the gpu will put limits in what they can accomplish. The low clocked laptop based 8 core cpu would have issues trying to run a large maps with 32+ player MP FPS game for example. Which is why they are still targeting 30 fps for most games since they can not tax it too much unless they cut graphical quality. And yes a mechanical harddrive is a limitation on Pc and will be even more so on the PS4 with its live streaming and video recording features which is why they will allocate a good chunk of PS4's memory to buffer and trickle down the data to harddrive without affecting the player while playing the game. This method will be needed for any or all game data thats on the harddrive.

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#330 Heil68
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Preemptive damage control because lems know this is coming:
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#331 tormentos
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] like the gpu is going to grab data off the hdd or bluray and actually know what to do with it :lol: You still need the cpu to do almost all the tasks directing what goes where and how. fact is that your talking theoretical purposes that will never be used to that affect and replace a cpu's primary functions.

Wow you are down right on denial now.. You don't get it HSA let you use the GPU as CPU on the PS4.. ""Differences between Fusion and HSA: Goals: Fusion: let developers use GPU along with CPU HSA: make the GPU a first-class programmable processor"" ""Specific HSA improvements: C++ support for GPU computing All system memory accessible by both CPU and GPU Unified address space (hence no separate CPU/GPU memory pointers) GPU uses pageable system memory (hence accesses data directly in CPU domain) GPU and CPU can reference caches of both GPU tasks are context-switchable (esp. important to avoid touch interface lag -- contexts switch rapidly in heterogeneous environments)"" http://css.dzone.com/articles/how-amds-heterogeneous-systems
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#332 AdrianWerner
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Why would anyone hate it? It's bassicaly PC closed in a box. This will make for much better ports.

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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Your totally off the ball, theres a reason why there is a cpu.... the cpu supplies and processes all the data needed from and to other components in the system. not the fact that you can use the gpu to compute data where still comes from the cpu.

04dcarraher

Your totally off the ball i.e. PS4 is not limited by DirectX. NVIDIA Kepler with TCC driver and AMD GCN with HSA driver are capable to generate it's own workloads.

AMD GCN with HSA is treated like a cut-down X86 CPU, but with very wide vector units.

like the gpu is going to grab data off the hdd or bluray and actually know what to do with it :lol: You still need the cpu to do almost all the tasks directing what goes where and how. fact is that your talking theoretical purposes that will never be used to that affect and replace a cpu's primary functions.

I made my statement with the context of game's compute workloads not with managing a storage driver.

PS; One could port Minux (cutdown unix) on AMD GCN (includes interrupts instructions, low latency branch and scalar units, hardware to support C++ structures, X86 cache page size, context switching, page fault, support X86-64 address modes and pointers).

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] like the gpu is going to grab data off the hdd or bluray and actually know what to do with it :lol: You still need the cpu to do almost all the tasks directing what goes where and how. fact is that your talking theoretical purposes that will never be used to that affect and replace a cpu's primary functions. tormentos
Wow you are down right on denial now.. You don't get it HSA let you use the GPU as CPU on the PS4.. ""Differences between Fusion and HSA: Goals: Fusion: let developers use GPU along with CPU HSA: make the GPU a first-class programmable processor"" ""Specific HSA improvements: C++ support for GPU computing All system memory accessible by both CPU and GPU Unified address space (hence no separate CPU/GPU memory pointers) GPU uses pageable system memory (hence accesses data directly in CPU domain) GPU and CPU can reference caches of both GPU tasks are context-switchable (esp. important to avoid touch interface lag -- contexts switch rapidly in heterogeneous environments)"" http://css.dzone.com/articles/how-amds-heterogeneous-systems

im in denial? you just cant face the fact that the cpu will limit the console in the end . Also why are posting this data that's not even related to what is being said

of course I get it....  if the cpu is mediocre just use the gpu to make it up while draining its resources lowering its ability to produce better looking games , just like the PS3 in reverse.

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yes the jaguar is faster then the cell it dont take much to do so to begin with. however for cpu intensive processing jobs that excludes workloads able to be done by the gpu will put limits in what they can accomplish. The low clocked laptop based 8 core cpu would have issues trying to run a large maps with 32+ player MP FPS game for example. Which is why they are still targeting 30 fps for most games since they can not tax it too much unless they cut graphical quality. And yes a mechanical harddrive is a limitation on Pc and will be even more so on the PS4 with its live streaming and video recording features which is why they will allocate a good chunk of PS4's memory to buffer and trickle down the data to harddrive without affecting the player while playing the game. This method will be needed for any or all game data thats on the harddrive. 04dcarraher
Really.? Cell is basically an early day APU at 3.2ghz one PPE and 7 SPE that run at that speed as well,considering Jaguar is 1.6ghz and lower in power consumption tha Cell that is quite and achievement. Dude there is no Jaguar like the PS4 Jaguar out there,the laptop Jaguar is 4 cores not 8,that is a joke the PS3 ran MAG which was 256 players with Cell so i am sure the PS4 will have no problems.. You don't know what they are targeting you assuming all games will run at 30 FPS because Killzone has that target Killzone is launch game. Link to where sony confirm that a big chunk of the PS4 memory is for OS and features link or your argument it total bull sh**.. It was demo on stage and Killzone was running on 4GB or less dev kits.:lol:
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#336 tormentos
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] im in denial? you just cant face the fact that the cpu will limit the console in the end . Also why are posting this data that's not even related to what is being said :lol:

Is not me who can't admit fact.. Oh is more than related you are just to dumb to get it.. The PS4 GPU is custom,it support HSA ..You just don't get it.. But don't worry after this fall your will get it.:lol: 2CU alone would boost that Jaguar over many more expensive 4 core GPU out there,and the PS4 would still have 16CU a full 7850 but more efficient and with power to the metal.:lol:
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#337 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Which is a totally different matter of actually processing and rendering that amount of data fluidly.The cpu and harddrive/optical drive will also be a limiting factor in sending that much data to the gpu.04dcarraher

No that is you assuming something completely wrong,like it was posted on another thread Jaguar CPU seems under power but is actually more powerful than Cell which still on 2011 deliver some impressive physics simulations. The HDD is hardly a limitation on PC so it would not be on PS4,games can still be partially install or full installs like on PC.

yes the jaguar is faster then the cell it dont take much to do so to begin with. however for cpu intensive processing jobs that excludes workloads able to be done by the gpu will put limits in what they can accomplish. The low clocked laptop based 8 core cpu would have issues trying to run a large maps with 32+ player MP FPS game for example. Which is why they are still targeting 30 fps for most games since they can not tax it too much unless they cut graphical quality. And yes a mechanical harddrive is a limitation on Pc and will be even more so on the PS4 with its live streaming and video recording features which is why they will allocate a good chunk of PS4's memory to buffer and trickle down the data to harddrive without affecting the player while playing the game. This method will be needed for any or all game data thats on the harddrive.

It depends on the final CPU clockspeed for PS4 e.g. 1.6Ghz to 2.0Ghz.

I don't have issues playing MMOs on my laptop.

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#338 Masenkoe
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Trying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess

finalstar2007

 

I'm not a hater but its worth it to invest in a PC if you game a lot.

My computer was a little over $800 but in terms of gaming it has essentially paid for itself. With all the bundles and cheap games I've been getting the console gamers haven't well. Sucks to be them. PC is worth it in all regards. 

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#339 tormentos
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From what paralel universe did you come from, thread starter? Because i sure as f*ck don't see anything you're seeing. 

I barely see anyone hating the PS4, or even disliking it. Especially from the hermit crowd, i've seen mostly positive feedback because it's a decently powerful piece of hardware. If you want hate, look at the Wii U. That's largely frowned upon by everyone. 

Now if some crowds hate the obsessive cows hyping it, that's a different matter.  

 

 

Lucianu
Take those google away and actually take a look at how many anti PS4 thread had been posted lately,topic where most you see is Hermit,hell lemming and missing in action..
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#340 tormentos
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[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Trying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess

Masenkoe

 

I'm not a hater but its worth it to invest in a PC if you game a lot.

My computer was a little over $800 but in terms of gaming it has essentially paid for itself. With all the bundles and cheap games I've been getting the console gamers haven't well. Sucks to be them. PC is worth it in all regards. 

Funny because consoles will be even more supported than any GPU on PC will,that $800 PC will soon need a new GPU,while the xbox 360 still kicking 8 years and running,the PS3 7 years..
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#341 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

I've already got an 8 core CPU in my PC...

What reason would I have to put down a platform that's inferior to my PC already? Simply put; None. I just don't really care for it.

xboxiphoneps3

too bad your 8 core cpu will be outclassed by the PS4 entirely...who cares about your CPU bruh..your PC wont be able to produce PS4 graphics

Didn't you know AMD is pushing PC gaming with HSA? http://www.slideshare.net/zlatan4177/gpgpu-algorithms-in-games

HSA = bypassing DirectX's overhead issues.

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#342 tormentos
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lol pc's do more then just gaming hence higher price. and the fact next consoles are going with pc mid ranged hardware shows that consoles have already lost before even getting started. Most pc gamers here on GS know how to upgrade existing pc's which means that a single $230 upgrade would allow that pc to outperform the PS4,04dcarraher
Consoles as well maybe you got stock on the PS2.. Computers cost more because you pay for different hardware and those hardware makers make their profits on Hardware not software,so sony can sell a PS console at a loss and so can MS,but AMD can't sell GPU at a loss nor Nvidia,reason why PC cost more,PC makers can't sell at a loss because it would be suicidal,without a way to get back what you loss and make a profit.. That is the only reason why the Gforce Titan cost $1000,if sony decide to use that GPU on the PS4 it would not cost even close to that,for example the 360 GPU was like $100 or less,when card like the X1900 on January 2006 where $550.. A $230 upgrade with not give you much,in fact the 7850 is $199 and the 7870 like $249 so you will have a PS4 counter part on PC with higher latency,less efficient.. Where ever you want to admit it or not,console had advantages over PC coding to metal is one,you can either accept this or live on denial.
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#344 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]yes the jaguar is faster then the cell it dont take much to do so to begin with. however for cpu intensive processing jobs that excludes workloads able to be done by the gpu will put limits in what they can accomplish. The low clocked laptop based 8 core cpu would have issues trying to run a large maps with 32+ player MP FPS game for example. Which is why they are still targeting 30 fps for most games since they can not tax it too much unless they cut graphical quality. And yes a mechanical harddrive is a limitation on Pc and will be even more so on the PS4 with its live streaming and video recording features which is why they will allocate a good chunk of PS4's memory to buffer and trickle down the data to harddrive without affecting the player while playing the game. This method will be needed for any or all game data thats on the harddrive. tormentos
Really.? Cell is basically an early day APU at 3.2ghz one PPE and 7 SPE that run at that speed as well,considering Jaguar is 1.6ghz and lower in power consumption tha Cell that is quite and achievement. Dude there is no Jaguar like the PS4 Jaguar out there,the laptop Jaguar is 4 cores not 8,that is a joke the PS3 ran MAG which was 256 players with Cell so i am sure the PS4 will have no problems.. You don't know what they are targeting you assuming all games will run at 30 FPS because Killzone has that target Killzone is launch game. Link to where sony confirm that a big chunk of the PS4 memory is for OS and features link or your argument it total bull sh**.. It was demo on stage and Killzone was running on 4GB or less dev kits.:lol:

You seriously need to stop hyping crap and actually understand certain things. The Cell was not really an APU because its not a cpu +gpu on same die, its a general purpose cpu like the days of old where the cpu did all processing jobs. You can not compare clockrate directly to the Ps3 cell and the jag they totally different architectures not doing all the same jobs. lol, jagaur is jaguar dont matter if upcoming jags on laptops are 4 cores the cpu isnt that much faster then other current laptop based cpus. lol im not assuming why they are targeting 30 fps its because they are using it as a standard still because of the cpu and gpu limits. you push one or both too far you create unstable environment. Your really blind to the facts about memory usage arent you? and who cares if the dev kits were using 4gb based model, the game was not even complete.
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#346 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] im in denial? you just cant face the fact that the cpu will limit the console in the end . Also why are posting this data that's not even related to what is being said :lol:tormentos
derrr :

:lol: the gpu isnt going to handle normal cpu workloads get over it already its not going to  belike the PS3 in reverse..... the Cell saving the gpu, and then the gpu saving the jag.....  the gpu will only do parallel based jobs like physics.

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#347 tormentos
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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

I've already got an 8 core CPU in my PC...

What reason would I have to put down a platform that's inferior to my PC already? Simply put; None. I just don't really care for it.

ronvalencia

too bad your 8 core cpu will be outclassed by the PS4 entirely...who cares about your CPU bruh..your PC wont be able to produce PS4 graphics

Didn't you know AMD is pushing PC gaming with HSA? http://www.slideshare.net/zlatan4177/gpgpu-algorithms-in-games

HSA = bypassing DirectX's overhead issues.

On hardware that support HSA and are HSA compliant.. '''HSA is an open standard that can be applied to any hardware designed and enabled for HSA. This means that everything from computer servers to desktop or laptop systems to even smartphones and tablets can advantage with HSA. ARM processors could possibly be designed for HSA and HSA implemented in ARM coding (i.e. Android apps).'' ''HSA will enable the creation of programs that cost less and take less time to develop, and provide more performance while using less power on HSA-enabled hardware.''' http://www.overclock.net/t/1311238/amd-fusion-and-the-hsa-revolution-what-is-discussion-and-info-thread I hope this clears it for you,if the hardware is not HSA enable it will not work.
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#348 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] im in denial? you just cant face the fact that the cpu will limit the console in the end . Also why are posting this data that's not even related to what is being said :lol:04dcarraher

derrr :

:lol: the gpu isnt going to handle normal cpu workloads get over it already its not going to  belike the PS3 in reverse..... the Cell saving the gpu, and then the gpu saving the jag.....  the gpu will only do parallel based jobs like physics.

On the PC, GpGPU (OpenCL) handled WinZIP 16.5. Lets see after AMD releases HSA reference driver late Q3 2013.
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#349 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] lol pc's do more then just gaming hence higher price. and the fact next consoles are going with pc mid ranged hardware shows that consoles have already lost before even getting started. Most pc gamers here on GS know how to upgrade existing pc's which means that a single $230 upgrade would allow that pc to outperform the PS4,tormentos
Consoles as well maybe you got stock on the PS2.. Computers cost more because you pay for different hardware and those hardware makers make their profits on Hardware not software,so sony can sell a PS console at a loss and so can MS,but AMD can't sell GPU at a loss nor Nvidia,reason why PC cost more,PC makers can't sell at a loss because it would be suicidal,without a way to get back what you loss and make a profit.. That is the only reason why the Gforce Titan cost $1000,if sony decide to use that GPU on the PS4 it would not cost even close to that,for example the 360 GPU was like $100 or less,when card like the X1900 on January 2006 where $550.. A $230 upgrade with not give you much,in fact the 7850 is $199 and the 7870 like $249 so you will have a PS4 counter part on PC with higher latency,less efficient.. Where ever you want to admit it or not,console had advantages over PC coding to metal is one,you can either accept this or live on denial.

Good greef your dense, you pay more because you can do more...... And Sony and MS sell at a lost because they know people will not buy expensive consoles where you can spend just as much for a pc to do the same things plus more. Also need to point out that you dont need bleeding edge to match consoles when they release, especially this gen where they are sporting mid tier hardware from the start not high ended hardware. also tou can pick up a overclocked 7870 for $230 on newegg shows what you know..... and again when will you admit that your seeing things that aren't there?

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#350 tormentos
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] You seriously need to stop hyping crap and actually understand certain things. The Cell was not really an APU because its not a cpu +gpu on same die, its a general purpose cpu like the days of old where the cpu did all processing jobs. You can not compare clockrate directly to the Ps3 cell and the jag they totally different architectures not doing all the same jobs. lol, jagaur is jaguar dont matter if upcoming jags on laptops are 4 cores the cpu isnt that much faster then other current laptop based cpus. lol im not assuming why they are targeting 30 fps its because they are using it as a standard still because of the cpu and gpu limits. you push one or both too far you create unstable environment. Your really blind to the facts about memory usage arent you? and who cares if the dev kits were using 4gb based model, the game was not even complete.

""An accelerated processing unit (APU) is a processing system that includes additional processing capability designed to accelerate one or more types of computations outside of a CPU. This may include a graphics processing unit (GPU) used for general-purpose computing (GPGPU), a field-programmable gate array (FPGA), or similar specialized processing system. Variations on the usage of this term include a variation in which the APU is described as a processing device which integrates a CPU and an OpenCL compatible GPU on the same die, thus improving data transfer rates between these components while reducing power consumption by upwards of 50% with current technology over traditional architecture.[1] APUs can also include video processing and other application-specific accelerators. Examples include AMD Accelerated Processing Unit, Cell, Intel HD Graphics, and NVIDIA's Project Denver."" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_processing_unit But wait.. ""Cell is a heterogeneous chip multiprocessor that consists of an IBM 64-bit Power Architecture core, augmented with eight specialized co-processors based on a novel single-instruction multiple-data (SIMD) architecture called Synergistic Processor Unit (SPU), which is for data-intensive processing, like that found in cryptography, media and scientific applications. The system is integrated by a coherent on-chip bus."" http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research.nsf/pages/r.arch.innovation.html Whats that i don't know what you claim.?