Why are some pc gamers hating on the ps4 sooo much?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Lol back. The PS 4 gpu doesnt have the power to handle a game that would use 4gb of vram on pc. Crysis 3 uses about 2gb vram and about 1gb of system ram. Most next gen console games wont go much over that. Wasnt the Killzone demo only using 1.5gb total ram?Alienware_fan

Some just dont understand that the PS4 will not allocate 4gb or more for the gpu since

1. GPU processing abilities isnt their to make full usage of that much memory (3gb+).
2. at 1080 resolution allocating 4gb is useless and pointless since using texture resolution(detail) above a certain point will not be seen at 1080.
3. Also you can not ignore all other items and features using the unified memory sharing the total amount of memory. Since there is no need to stream the data like current console memory allocation we will see much larger and more complex worlds in games and that uses memory.

Is it because they expected it to be less powerful? I see no other reason.

Alienware_fan

Because most have a weak pc.

Here is the most used pc specs on steam. Not even 1 percent has a GTX 680 :lol: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

PC gamers hate everybody who has lost their virginity.

lostrib

That would explain why I hate myself

just switch to a console.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

PC gamers hate everybody who has lost their virginity.

MakeMeaSammitch

That would explain why I hate myself

just switch to a console.

But then I would really hate myself

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

That would explain why I hate myself

lostrib

just switch to a console.

But then I would really hate myself

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]it's ok.

just switch to a console.

DrTrafalgarLaw

But then I would really hate myself

eh, i'd just use it for blurays

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

But then I would really hate myself

lostrib

eh, i'd just use it for blurays

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]You very fist statement applies directly to you. 

I never said GDDR5 was available for system ram... Wow...

Look smart guy, there's plenty of weak video cards that have to much GDDR5 then needed because they are under power.

Again, you think that a card cost 1000$ because of 6Gb of GDDDR5, you're... amazing.

I never said that RAM is not important, I said it's not the most important.

Also DDR3 is not all that bad, with triple channel or quad channel and it's low latency... and it's freaking cheap. 

You putting words in my mouth... and then you call hermits stupid... keep climbing that troll road, you're catching up to losingedges.

tormentos

I'm not talking about 8GDDR5, I'm talking graphics cards in general... jesus christ, do you even understand anything? I'm talking about the balance of having a powerfull GPU with a fair amount of ram...and sometimes it's unbalance... having alot of ram won't do crap if the rest of the card doens't have the specs to benefit it.

You're the one who keeps comparing the cost of Gefore Titan 6GDDR5 to PS4 8GDDR5 base purely on the total amount of memory.,, forgeting every other factor.

Of course there's a reason why GPU "makers" abandon GDDR3, it's obviously offers more bandwidth... it's nothing new the technologie world...

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] yeah and i cant run Ms office on Ps4 plus you dont know the price of PS4 so you cant put a value yet . It might as well been 600 like the Ps3lostrib

source?

I can Max out all 4GB of video memory on my pc, more vram means higher resolution, extra antialiasing and higher resolution texture. Remember sony has a plan for 4k gaming, maybe we will see some low-end graphics games at 4k resolution. 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] WTF would i want to run MS Office on my console.. The PS4 doesn't run it because first is from MS and second why would MS make windows office for consoles to do what.? In fact with the spec the PS4 has if MS did office for the PS4 it would run just find.. Oh it will not be $600 sony already confirmed that..tormentos

source?

yeah, that's not a confirmation

Some just dont understand that the PS4 will not allocate 4gb or more for the gpu since

1. GPU processing abilities isnt their to make full usage of that much memory (3gb+).
2. at 1080 resolution allocating 4gb is useless and pointless since using texture resolution(detail) above a certain point will not be seen at 1080.
3. Also you can not ignore all other items and features using the unified memory sharing the total amount of memory. Since there is no need to stream the data like current console memory allocation we will see much larger and more complex worlds in games and that uses memory.

04dcarraher

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] They talk about consoles how the memory is unbalanced As long as you have a certain amount of memory for stuff to work adding more memory wont increase the performance Guess what Gpu between a 2gb gtx 680 or a 4gb version of 7850 is faster Also by the time PS4 is on the market DDR4 is rumored to hit the market also which is quite the performance increase over DDR3Alienware_fan

With Nvidia's TCC driver, Nvidia Fermi/Kepler already has some** of HSA like features e.g unified memory address with host CPU and x86-64bit pointers.

**I haven't look into Fermi/Kepler in detail for feature mapping with AMD HSA.

yeah, that's not a confirmation

lostrib

Part of the allure of pc gaming is that our gaming experience is so much better than what's normally offered on a console. I think a lot of pc gamers are bitter that for the next 2-3 yrs, console gamers will enjoy the same quality of gaming (or even slightly better) than we've been used to on pc's for the last 3-4 yrs.

I for one look forward to pc-quality gaming on the PS4! At least for the next few years... then the new gpu's you will make it worth coming back to pc in another year or two and the cycle starts all over again.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"] yeah and i cant run Ms office on Ps4 plus you dont know the price of PS4 so you cant put a value yet . It might as well been 600 like the Ps3tormentos

While PS3 has linuxPPC, you could run MacOnLinux (for MacOS X PPC) without CPU emulation overheads. With desktop apps+desktop OS, the problem is with PS3's memory size.

With 8GBs, PS4 wouldn't have a problem running desktop apps+desktop OS.

I can Max out all 4GB of video memory on my pc, more vram means higher resolution, extra antialiasing and higher resolution texture. Remember sony has a plan for 4k gaming, maybe we will see some low-end graphics games at 4k resolution. 

Alienware_fan

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]lol

04dcarraher

Some just dont understand that the PS4 will not allocate 4gb or more for the gpu since

1. GPU processing abilities isnt their to make full usage of that much memory (3gb+).
2. at 1080 resolution allocating 4gb is useless and pointless since using texture resolution(detail) above a certain point will not be seen at 1080.
3. Also you can not ignore all other items and features using the unified memory sharing the total amount of memory. Since there is no need to stream the data like current console memory allocation we will see much larger and more complex worlds in games and that uses memory.

A bandwidth of 176 GigaBytes per second would easily over 8 GigaBytes of RAM in less than 1 second.

Part of the allure of pc gaming is that our gaming experience is so much better than what's normally offered on a console. I think a lot of pc gamers are bitter that for the next 2-3 yrs, console gamers will enjoy the same quality of gaming (or even slightly better) than we've been used to on pc's for the last 3-4 yrs.

I for one look forward to pc-quality gaming on the PS4! At least for the next few years... then the new gpu's you will make it worth coming back to pc in another year or two and the cycle starts all over again.

haze_blaze

Well gaming experience is not only due to graphics... but I don't think anybody is envious of the PS4.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Some just dont understand that the PS4 will not allocate 4gb or more for the gpu since

1. GPU processing abilities isnt their to make full usage of that much memory (3gb+).
2. at 1080 resolution allocating 4gb is useless and pointless since using texture resolution(detail) above a certain point will not be seen at 1080.
3. Also you can not ignore all other items and features using the unified memory sharing the total amount of memory. Since there is no need to stream the data like current console memory allocation we will see much larger and more complex worlds in games and that uses memory.

tormentos

Na in other words they put 8gb of memory to allow breathing room for the future usage when open world or large multiplayer based games take hold with large areas with alot in it to do.if you think they are going allocate more then 4gb to begin with let alone using memory for 3D stereo. Your going to be in for a shock when the PS4 is not as powerful as you think it is going to be. you are doing so much hyping and damage control its not even funny. Again you ignore all other features and items using memory.

Your going by rumors that the OS is only 512mb of usage there is no fact that it is, It really does not matter if the OS uses 512mb or 1gb or even 2gb. fact is that you ignore the system and features usage. They will set aside memory in reserve for all these features since if you do not want a hit in quality or performance they will have too. For example say with Killzone 4 it will use 2gb for the game cache and another 2gb for video usage at 1080. Right there that's half the memory used, thats not even including the OS, the reserved space for streaming and recording Right there you have eaten enough memory where more then 4gb memory that the gpu can not use for video. Then you have to include memory for possible 3D stereo where that would also eat into performance. 

[QUOTE="haze_blaze"]

Part of the allure of pc gaming is that our gaming experience is so much better than what's normally offered on a console. I think a lot of pc gamers are bitter that for the next 2-3 yrs, console gamers will enjoy the same quality of gaming (or even slightly better) than we've been used to on pc's for the last 3-4 yrs.

I for one look forward to pc-quality gaming on the PS4! At least for the next few years... then the new gpu's you will make it worth coming back to pc in another year or two and the cycle starts all over again.

Bebi_vegeta

Well gaming experience is not only due to graphics... but I don't think anybody is envious of the PS4.

A large part of it is graphics and performance... Currently, I only play PS3 exclusives on a console b/c I hate having to play games at less than 1080p and less than 60 fps. Sure there are a few game types that I cannot get on a console, nor would I ever want on a console... but even most multiplats, I prefer on pc. The overall experience is just better... today. With the introduction of the PS4, console gamers will be able to enjoy the type of gaming that we have enjoyed for the last 2-3 yrs.

I'm a pc gamer... and even I can tell that a lot of the comments and hatred are purely due to envy that console gaming will be at par with pc gaming... even if only temporarily. Sure, there are still things like mod'ing communities and game types not found on consoles to keep pc gaming distinctive from the rest... but the one aspect that forces respect from console gamers will be null & void for a while... and the fact that playstation fanboys are boasting of it doesn't help... so it gets under the skin of some of the pc elite. Personally, I don't care. I'll buy a PS4 day one... enjoy the hell out of it for 3 years... then upgrade my gaming rig when pc gaming is back to a point that makes console gamers jealous.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Some just dont understand that the PS4 will not allocate 4gb or more for the gpu since

1. GPU processing abilities isnt their to make full usage of that much memory (3gb+).
2. at 1080 resolution allocating 4gb is useless and pointless since using texture resolution(detail) above a certain point will not be seen at 1080.
3. Also you can not ignore all other items and features using the unified memory sharing the total amount of memory. Since there is no need to stream the data like current console memory allocation we will see much larger and more complex worlds in games and that uses memory.

04dcarraher

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Some just dont understand that the PS4 will not allocate 4gb or more for the gpu since

1. GPU processing abilities isnt their to make full usage of that much memory (3gb+).
2. at 1080 resolution allocating 4gb is useless and pointless since using texture resolution(detail) above a certain point will not be seen at 1080.
3. Also you can not ignore all other items and features using the unified memory sharing the total amount of memory. Since there is no need to stream the data like current console memory allocation we will see much larger and more complex worlds in games and that uses memory.

tormentos

Exactly.... lol

SONY are not going to put 8GB or ram in their console if it will never be utilized at some point in time. You really think they would waste millions, hell, maybe even billions on that much GDDR5 if there was no point? The bottom line is this. All the PC know it alls around here have no more idea than anybody else on these boards how it will all work out. What can be for certain however is that SONY knows more than either of the two groups.

It will work out, and from everything I have seen, it will be amazing. With that in mind, the much larger worlds, better graphics, more items on screen at once, no slow down, reduced lag, less glitches, etc. ALL sound great to me. I didnt even mention virtually no loading times which is my favorite thing I have heard so far.

Heres the thing, graphics this next gen will be as high as they EVER NEED TO BE! The push for photorealism or possibly even BEYOND is great and all, but for gaming purposes there is absolutely NOTHING that the specs from the PS4 will not be able to handle in ANY genre. Unless you want a game the scale size of the world in 14,796p with 6900-6900 resolution... who cares? lol

It will be awesome either way, and the amount of power the PS4 has to play with is a HUGE jump in production value. This is by FAR the biggest jump in technology in any single console jump.

If Bethesda make a new ES game that is 5 times larger with better graphics and on screen objects than Morrowind or Oblivion (screw Skyrim) that would be AWESOME. It is already certain AI will have a vast jump and that it will take developers a few years to max the potential of such a large jump in abilities.

By the way, I own a decent PC, will be getting a monster of a PC soon that will probably dwarf just about anybody else's here, and a great laptop too. I can play PC games already, however.... I choose to play MOST of my games on consoles.

Why? In my opinion it is a MUCH better experience. If I wanted to play with a bunch of modding, cheating, aim botting, scrubs I can go back and play shooters on the PS3 and 360 that are no longer being patched or have DLC. They are unmonitored. Kind of like the "gaming" community of the PC.... crap!

What do I prefer on a PC? Search and finds with my wife and browser games.... why? The mouse and keyboard.

I would MUCH RATHER play with a controller then a mouse and keyboard outside of those two things and MMO's. By the way, I have played shooters on PC's and the competition is pitifull which is funny since PC gamers consider themselves elite.

So, keep your ever so slightly better, power sucking, over heating, loud ass computers and shove it.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

yeah, that's not a confirmation

tormentos

I have no idea what you're trying to say

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] In other word sony put 8GB of ram to waste it on OS.? If you actually believe the PS4 will use 4GB or more of ram for system and OS you are really out of your mind,go to beyond3D and claim the PS4 will not able to use more than 4GB of ram and then say 4 or more GB will be use for systems os,i would love to see them muck you.. The PS4 is rumored to reserve 512MB of system ram for Os that is what the rumors point,if you have a link to where it say the PS4 will use 4GB of ram for system please share it.haze_blaze

when did 360/ps3 became DX 11 game players.......

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="haze_blaze"]

Part of the allure of pc gaming is that our gaming experience is so much better than what's normally offered on a console. I think a lot of pc gamers are bitter that for the next 2-3 yrs, console gamers will enjoy the same quality of gaming (or even slightly better) than we've been used to on pc's for the last 3-4 yrs.

I for one look forward to pc-quality gaming on the PS4! At least for the next few years... then the new gpu's you will make it worth coming back to pc in another year or two and the cycle starts all over again.

haze_blaze

Well gaming experience is not only due to graphics... but I don't think anybody is envious of the PS4.

A large part of it is graphics and performance... Currently, I only play PS3 exclusives on a console b/c I hate having to play games at less than 1080p and less than 60 fps. Sure there are a few game types that I cannot get on a console, nor would I ever want on a console... but even most multiplats, I prefer on pc. The overall experience is just better... today. With the introduction of the PS4, console gamers will be able to enjoy the type of gaming that we have enjoyed for the last 2-3 yrs.

I'm a pc gamer... and even I can tell that a lot of the comments and hatred are purely due to envy that console gaming will be at par with pc gaming... even if only temporarily. Sure, there are still things like mod'ing communities and game types not found on consoles to keep pc gaming distinctive from the rest... but the one aspect that forces respect from console gamers will be null & void for a while... and the fact that playstation fanboys are boasting of it doesn't help... so it gets under the skin of some of the pc elite. Personally, I don't care. I'll buy a PS4 day one... enjoy the hell out of it for 3 years... then upgrade my gaming rig when pc gaming is back to a point that makes console gamers jealous.

Large part... I wouldn't totaly agree, I do enjoy great graphics, but gameplay is probably my main factor of choice and input device (M&K). But I don't see how console can possible do more then 1080p... while PC are not limited too that at all... so graphics and performance ?

Well I haven't seen any comments that seem envious... infact, PS4 seems very welcome... just overly exaggerated by the enthousious PSony fan.

[QUOTE="haze_blaze"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Na in other words they put 8gb of memory to allow breathing room for the future usage when open world or large multiplayer based games take hold with large areas with alot in it to do. You serious have no understanding , if you think they are going allocate more then 4gb to begin with let alone using 4gb at best for 3D stereo. Your going to be in for a shock when the PS4 is not as powerful as you think it is going to be. you are doing so much hyping and damage control its not even funny. Again you ignore all other features and items using memory. Your going by rumors that the OS is only 512mb of usage there is no fact that it is, It really does not matter if the OS uses 512mb or 1gb or even 2gb. fact is that you ignore the system and features usage. They will set aside memory in reserve for all these features since if you do not want a hit in quality or performance they will have too. For example say with Killzone 4 it will use 2gb for the game cache and another 2gb for video usage at 1080. Right there that's half the memory used, thats not even including the OS, the reserved space for streaming and recording Right there you have eaten enough memory where more then 4gb memory that the gpu can not use for video. Then you have to include memory for possible 3D stereo where that would also eat into performance.  04dcarraher

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] See this is the the kind of dumb-asses we love to hate no-scope-AK47

So you can build a beastly system for 1k that will last for years. I would wait till ddr4/5 boards drop and get the old stuff even cheaper. This has worked for me building high end systems on med pc money.

[QUOTE="haze_blaze"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

Well gaming experience is not only due to graphics... but I don't think anybody is envious of the PS4.

Bebi_vegeta

A large part of it is graphics and performance... Currently, I only play PS3 exclusives on a console b/c I hate having to play games at less than 1080p and less than 60 fps. Sure there are a few game types that I cannot get on a console, nor would I ever want on a console... but even most multiplats, I prefer on pc. The overall experience is just better... today. With the introduction of the PS4, console gamers will be able to enjoy the type of gaming that we have enjoyed for the last 2-3 yrs.

I'm a pc gamer... and even I can tell that a lot of the comments and hatred are purely due to envy that console gaming will be at par with pc gaming... even if only temporarily. Sure, there are still things like mod'ing communities and game types not found on consoles to keep pc gaming distinctive from the rest... but the one aspect that forces respect from console gamers will be null & void for a while... and the fact that playstation fanboys are boasting of it doesn't help... so it gets under the skin of some of the pc elite. Personally, I don't care. I'll buy a PS4 day one... enjoy the hell out of it for 3 years... then upgrade my gaming rig when pc gaming is back to a point that makes console gamers jealous.

Large part... I wouldn't totaly agree, I do enjoy great graphics, but gameplay is probably my main factor of choice and input device (M&K). But I don't see how console can possible do more then 1080p... while PC are not limited too that at all... so graphics and performance ?

Well I haven't seen any comments that seem envious... infact, PS4 seems very welcome... just overly exaggerated by the enthousious PSony fan.

Gameplay only becomes a differentiating factor once you start talking about genres that are niches of pc gaming; such as strategy, mmo, & simulation titles... otherwise, most of the gameplay available on pc is also available on console. And while I do prefer m&kb for fps or strategy games, I'm indifferent when it comes to most other games. I certainly don't know anyone who built a $3k+ rig b/c they prefer using a mouse and keyboard!!!

Civ V, XCOM, and Witcher 2 are my favorite games of this gen... so clearly I appreciate gameplay that is only available on pc. But games like Civ V & XCOM don't exactly motivate high-end gpu upgrades since they are perfectly playable on an Intel 4000 chipset. In fact, if all that mattered was gameplay... why upgrade your gpu at all??? Graphics are very much a large part of the pc gaming culture.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]lol

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="haze_blaze"]

A large part of it is graphics and performance... Currently, I only play PS3 exclusives on a console b/c I hate having to play games at less than 1080p and less than 60 fps. Sure there are a few game types that I cannot get on a console, nor would I ever want on a console... but even most multiplats, I prefer on pc. The overall experience is just better... today. With the introduction of the PS4, console gamers will be able to enjoy the type of gaming that we have enjoyed for the last 2-3 yrs.

I'm a pc gamer... and even I can tell that a lot of the comments and hatred are purely due to envy that console gaming will be at par with pc gaming... even if only temporarily. Sure, there are still things like mod'ing communities and game types not found on consoles to keep pc gaming distinctive from the rest... but the one aspect that forces respect from console gamers will be null & void for a while... and the fact that playstation fanboys are boasting of it doesn't help... so it gets under the skin of some of the pc elite. Personally, I don't care. I'll buy a PS4 day one... enjoy the hell out of it for 3 years... then upgrade my gaming rig when pc gaming is back to a point that makes console gamers jealous.

haze_blaze

Large part... I wouldn't totaly agree, I do enjoy great graphics, but gameplay is probably my main factor of choice and input device (M&K). But I don't see how console can possible do more then 1080p... while PC are not limited too that at all... so graphics and performance ?

Well I haven't seen any comments that seem envious... infact, PS4 seems very welcome... just overly exaggerated by the enthousious PSony fan.

Gameplay only becomes a differentiating factor once you start talking about genres that are niches of pc gaming; such as strategy, mmo, & simulation titles... otherwise, most of the gameplay available on pc is also available on console. And while I do prefer m&kb for fps or strategy games, I'm indifferent when it comes to most other games. I certainly don't know anyone who built a $3k+ rig b/c they prefer using a mouse and keyboard!!!

Civ V, XCOM, and Witcher 2 are my favorite games of this gen... so clearly I appreciate gameplay that is only available on pc. But games like Civ V & XCOM don't exactly motivate high-end gpu upgrades since they are perfectly playable on an Intel 4000 chipset. In fact, if all that mattered was gameplay... why upgrade your gpu at all??? Graphics are very much a large part of the pc gaming culture.

Well I played Crysis, finished it... played a bit multiplayer, but that's it. Game is really nice looking... but gameplay wise, meh. I've enjoyed games with less graphical power way more then Crysis, like League of legends.

Some games have both, and for that matter I need a good graphic card. Like BF3 for instance.

I for one can't play a FPS with a controller... So for that reason, I didn't really enjoy playing Uncharted. I can play sports and other types with controller no problem... but most games I play require a M&K.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="haze_blaze"] The fact of the matter is that neither of you are knowledgeable on the architecture of the system or how efficiently it will be able to allocate resources. All of what you've described could be done using less than 1GB of RAM... you have no idea how developers will push the resources available to them. The original dev kits were sent with just 4GB of RAM... so yes, in the beginning, I would not expect to see much more than that utilized. But games coming out in 2014 could easily take advantage of much more haze_blaze

Yes it will still have limits when you stream data instead of loading most if not all the assets needed. your limited resource wise in what you can do at any given point with stream loading. The fact your stating streaming as in game streaming is not what I meant. The game streaming  over internet also has many disadvantages where the compression destroys image quality and that also introduces input and output lag and would make multiplayer almost unplayable.

Trying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Lol back. The PS 4 gpu doesnt have the power to handle a game that would use 4gb of vram on pc. Crysis 3 uses about 2gb vram and about 1gb of system ram. Most next gen console games wont go much over that. Wasnt the Killzone demo only using 1.5gb total ram?Cranler

You calculate the relationship with storage requirement and memory bandwidth from 1.84 TFLOPS and FMA3(a*b+c=c) operations.

Each operand has 32bit value, that's 96bit/8=12 bytes per FLOP.

The GPU can saturate the 176GB/s bus and the 8 GB RAM.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]So all that ram in the ps4 is a waste? How come sony/amd didnt know that?

ronvalencia

You calculate the relationship with storage requirement and memory bandwidth from 1.84 TFLOPS and FMA3(a*b+c=c) operations.

Each operand has 32bit value, that's 96bit/8=12 bytes per FLOP.

The GPU can saturate the 176GB/s bus and the 8 GB RAM.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]So all that ram in the ps4 is a waste? How come sony/amd didnt know that?

You calculate the relationship with storage requirement and memory bandwidth from 1.84 TFLOPS and FMA3(a*b+c=c) operations.

Each operand has 32bit value, that's 96bit/8=12 bytes per FLOP.

The GPU can saturate the 176GB/s bus and the 8 GB RAM.

Is it because they expected it to be less powerful? I see no other reason.

Alienware_fan

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

Is it because they expected it to be less powerful? I see no other reason.

SKaREO

Note that NVIDIA sells a range of GPUs from low to high.

The reasons for not including Radeon HD 7970 in PS4 is similar to Geforce GTX 680 i.e. chip size and cooling.

Is it because they expected it to be less powerful? I see no other reason.

Not on PS4 but on stupid Cows who first time saw something in 1080p and trying to pass it as something suprior to PC Games while PS4 is already outdated compared to current PC hardware and software.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Probably to use as virtual memory for faster loading. Also the ability to play games that are still being downloaded right away probably need to use a big buffer of ram. 04dcarraher

You calculate the relationship with storage requirement and memory bandwidth from 1.84 TFLOPS and FMA3(a*b+c=c) operations.

Each operand has 32bit value, that's 96bit/8=12 bytes per FLOP.

The GPU can saturate the 176GB/s bus and the 8 GB RAM.

CPU wouldn't be a limiting factor since the PS4's GCN can be used like a CPU.

On the PC, end-users haven't received the proper NVIDIA TCC (doesn't have graphics interop) or AMD HSA drivers.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

You calculate the relationship with storage requirement and memory bandwidth from 1.84 TFLOPS and FMA3(a*b+c=c) operations.

Each operand has 32bit value, that's 96bit/8=12 bytes per FLOP.

The GPU can saturate the 176GB/s bus and the 8 GB RAM.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Which is a totally different matter of actually processing and rendering that amount of data fluidly.The cpu and harddrive/optical drive will also be a limiting factor in sending that much data to the gpu.

04dcarraher

Your totally off the ball i.e. PS4 is not limited by DirectX.

NVIDIA Kepler with TCC driver and AMD GCN with HSA driver are capable to generate it's own workloads. Note the existance of NVIDIA's TCC driver for Windows.

AMD GCN with HSA is treated like a cut-down X86 CPU, but with very wide vector units.

More RAM is a good thing. Sony made the right choice in that regards. 

You wanna know why they went with 8GB? Because that's how much MS was using in the 720, and to allow breathing room for all the multitasking that will happen, they jumped from 4GB to 8GB. 4GB would go fast running the OS, a game, recording it, downloading a movie, and connecting to web for real-time in-game strategies and help. 

They gotta go toe-to-toe with MS on features. 

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] CPU wouldn't be a limiting factor since the PS4's GCN can use like a CPU. On the PC, end-users haven't got proper NVIDIA TCC (doesn't have graphics interop) or AMD HDA drivers.ronvalencia

Your totally off the ball i.e. PS4 is not limited by DirectX. NVIDIA Kepler with TCC driver and AMD GCN with HSA driver are capable to generate it's own workloads.

AMD GCN with HSA is treated like a cut-down X86 CPU, but with very wide vector units.