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[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"]It's more or less a result of the cow arrogance and their premature declaration of victory.Snugenz
This, i'm actually really hyped for the PS4 but cow hype is so off the charts they bring any criticism on themselves.
I'm sorry...what did you say? I can't hear you over my awesome GDDR5 RAM :cool:
They feel threatened by it.fueled-system
I don't feel threatened by it. I'm sure most X86 fanboys and specfically AMD fanboys are happy with Sony's selection.
Sony PS4 would be my first games console i.e. I need to upgrade my blu-ray player into 3D version.
[QUOTE="Snugenz"][QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"]It's more or less a result of the cow arrogance and their premature declaration of victory.DrTrafalgarLaw
This, i'm actually really hyped for the PS4 but cow hype is so off the charts they bring any criticism on themselves.
I'm sorry...what did you say? I can't hear you over my awesome GDDR5 RAM :cool:lol i've never seen people get so excited about RAM, even the guys who overclock them. :)
[QUOTE="fueled-system"]They feel threatened by it.ronvalencia
I don't feel threatened by it. I'm sure most X86 fanboys and specfically AMD fanboys are happy with Sony's selection.
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Sony PS4 would be my first games console i.e. I need to upgrade my blu-ray player into 3D version.
Admit it, you're threatened by the ram :P.
First of all the gpu inside PS4 is slightly more powerful than a vanilla 7850, now a 1.84tf gpu inside a closed box environment can punch way more above its class according to Tim Lotte (FXAA guy) and DF. From the look of things a 7850 inside a ps4 could very well perform like a 7870 or even a 7950.
gpuking
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/his_radeon_7850_ipower_iceq_4gb_review,1.html
7850 @2.0 TFLOPs (1Ghz 16 CUs) with 4 GB GDDR5 memory rivals 7870 Ghz Edition 2 GB GDDR5.
My 7950 is clocked at 900Mhz factory firmware. Note that reference 7950 has an official 7950 Boost Edition BIOS update (850Mhz base/925Mhz boost).
From http://www.slideshare.net/zlatan4177/gpgpu-algorithms-in-games
AMD is pushing HSA for games.
I'm sorry...what did you say? I can't hear you over my awesome GDDR5 RAM :cool:[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]
This, i'm actually really hyped for the PS4 but cow hype is so off the charts they bring any criticism on themselves.
HalcyonScarlet
lol i've never seen people get so excited about RAM, even the guys who overclock them. :)
Imagine a world in which Perfect Cell with 16 SPE's at 5 Ghz each has access to 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM. Hermits should be afraid, very afraid. :cool: We're not there yet, with 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM we're settting an industry standard to be the first consumer electronics that has GDDR5 system RAM. Once we've laid the groundwork, PC's will become obsolete with the introduction of Perfect Cell in the PS5. PC will be that thing you talk to your (grand)children about as being a colossal box that sits on a desk, taking up unnessary space. The $1000 AMD and Nvidea cards you see to today will be displayed in a museum.[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] I'm sorry...what did you say? I can't hear you over my awesome GDDR5 RAM :cool:DrTrafalgarLaw
lol i've never seen people get so excited about RAM, even the guys who overclock them. :)
Imagine a world in which Perfect Cell with 16 SPE's at 5 Ghz each has access to 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM. Hermits should be afraid, very afraid. :cool: We're not there yet, with 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM we're settting an industry standard to be the first consumer electronics that has GDDR5 system RAM. Once we've laid the groundwork, PC's will become obsolete with the introduction of Perfect Cell in the PS5. PC will be that thing you talk to your (grand)children about as being a colossal box that sits on a desk, taking up unnessary space. The $1000 AMD and Nvidea cards you see to today will be displayed in a museum.PC world has it's own "CELL SPU" i.e. it's AMD's GCN.
Imagine a world in which Perfect Cell with 16 SPE's at 5 Ghz each has access to 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM. Hermits should be afraid, very afraid. :cool: We're not there yet, with 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM we're settting an industry standard to be the first consumer electronics that has GDDR5 system RAM. Once we've laid the groundwork, PC's will become obsolete with the introduction of Perfect Cell in the PS5. PC will be that thing you talk to your (grand)children about as being a colossal box that sits on a desk, taking up unnessary space. The $1000 AMD and Nvidea cards you see to today will be displayed in a museum.[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]
[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]
lol i've never seen people get so excited about RAM, even the guys who overclock them. :)
ronvalencia
PC world has it's own "CELL SPU" i.e. it's AMD's GCN.
But does it have access to GDDR5? :cool:[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Imagine a world in which Perfect Cell with 16 SPE's at 5 Ghz each has access to 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM. Hermits should be afraid, very afraid. :cool: We're not there yet, with 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM we're settting an industry standard to be the first consumer electronics that has GDDR5 system RAM. Once we've laid the groundwork, PC's will become obsolete with the introduction of Perfect Cell in the PS5. PC will be that thing you talk to your (grand)children about as being a colossal box that sits on a desk, taking up unnessary space. The $1000 AMD and Nvidea cards you see to today will be displayed in a museum.
Get ready to feel the heat in the beat, fill your supermetre with ether and prepare for barn-busting, jimmies-rustling, GDDR5-bustling PlayStation 4 exclusives. :cool:DrTrafalgarLaw
PC world has it's own "CELL SPU" i.e. it's AMD's GCN.
But does it have access to GDDR5? :cool:lol were you setting that up, so you could say that? :P
See this is the the kind of dumb-asses we love to hateTrying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess
finalstar2007
Havent seen alot of hate for the PS4, seen LOTS of hate for the fanboys and trolls.
The thing that bugs most people is how very little is known about the PS4 hardware, what we do know sounded good, but what we do know is pretty much the RAM alone, there have been theoretical guesses on the rest of the system.
How long did it take for the forums to be flooded with a near religious worship of the GDDR5 Ram though? If I remember there were about 15 threads within 30 mins of the conferance, and the ball just kept rolling with the unrealistic babble of the console and the RAM.
I have seen very little people downplaying the PS4, from any group of people really, alot of people stating that it would not be wise to say alot about it untill we have a final box we could measure and test. But Nooo, 30 mins and the threads about "Sony Owenage" poured in. Mostly trolls sure.
SO basicly what people hate on is not the PS4, it is the Cows, that are demonstrating the pure dribbeling insanity of a mental patient. And then gets overly passive agressive when people point out the facts that tey really don't know alot about the system yet.
PC gamers who love specs and tinkering with hardware likely found this blind near erligious faith annoying considering how big the holes in what are known really are.
I'm sorry...what did you say? I can't hear you over my awesome GDDR5 RAM :cool:[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]
This, i'm actually really hyped for the PS4 but cow hype is so off the charts they bring any criticism on themselves.
HalcyonScarlet
lol i've never seen people get so excited about RAM, even the guys who overclock them. :)
Well people who don't know sh!t tend to get overly excited over nothing.
[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]See this is the the kind of dumb-asses we love to hate No you can't have it both ways. So when the topi is price you want to make a PC with the first thing and the cheapest you can buy,but when the topic is graphics,you people pull the most expensive parts,and then go back to the price thread and still claim PC is not that expensive.. Here is what some hermit had been arguing with me.. Power level us. 7970,7970 GHZ edition,680GTX and some even the Titan to show how incredibly powerful the PC is. On CPU side no less I7 from Intel. Now this pass few days they add SSD and multiple HDD on Raid which boost graphics by nothing,but help a few miserable second in loading to be less painful. Then they pull 16GB of memory. When you add this ^^ up there is not fu**** way that you don't spend $1,000 or more,the damn Gforce Titan alone cost more than $1,000,the 7970 $400,the 7970 GHZ edition even more,oh an i did not name the 690GTX or 7990 other 2 GPU that are use against console gamers,one is $999 the 690GTX and the other $900 dollars the 7990. So when you use this ^^ as point of reference note that you are debating component that will sky rocket PC price over a console several times,just buying an I7 + a Gforce Titan is close to $1,500 dollars,trow an 512GB SSD and you have $2,000 dollars worth of hardware that serve you for nothing,because you can't play anything with just an SSD drive,a GPU and a CPU,you need more components,memory,mother board,case,power supply,in many cases extra cooling,ram and so on.. So the next time some one claim PC cost more than $1,000 to make remember that if Hermits fault,because if you who build incredible powerful set up just to trow mud at consoles,you can have a decent $700 dollar PC but it will not be one with a Gforce Titan,and I7 with 512GB SSD and many other gismos.Trying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess
adamosmaki
Yep, Piston aka the PC console clone costs $1000.Â
A PC with PS4 hardware would probably cost similarly.Â
This is another kind of hypocrite post. So you have been for 6 years trowing on consolites how ram starved their consoles are,now all of a sudden sony say hey we will have 8GB of GDDR5 which not even $1000 dollar cards have and suddenly Ram is sh** ram is not important oh the ram is the new Cell.. Ram without question is one of the most important parts of a PC,even Crytek highly this many other developers to,maybe they know something you don't. The PS4 has more than 1 advantage over PC,is not just ram,the whole system architecture is build from ground up to be simply more efficient,from the Apu point of view GPU and CPU on the same die with a common memory address,which will increase efficiency and lower latency,to been push right to the metal something that on PC can't be done now.. There are more like having to carry a bloated OS,having multiple chips to help with task rather than let them to the CPU and use its resources. Sure there is always the crazy fan but is not always that way,and some hermit are so blinded that they basically ignore open quote from developers them self,the people who make the games they play with.Havent seen alot of hate for the PS4, seen LOTS of hate for the fanboys and trolls.
The thing that bugs most people is how very little is known about the PS4 hardware, what we do know sounded good, but what we do know is pretty much the RAM alone, there have been theoretical guesses on the rest of the system.
How long did it take for the forums to be flooded with a near religious worship of the GDDR5 Ram though? If I remember there were about 15 threads within 30 mins of the conferance, and the ball just kept rolling with the unrealistic babble of the console and the RAM.
I have seen very little people downplaying the PS4, from any group of people really, alot of people stating that it would not be wise to say alot about it untill we have a final box we could measure and test. But Nooo, 30 mins and the threads about "Sony Owenage" poured in. Mostly trolls sure.
SO basicly what people hate on is not the PS4, it is the Cows, that are demonstrating the pure dribbeling insanity of a mental patient. And then gets overly passive agressive when people point out the facts that tey really don't know alot about the system yet.
PC gamers who love specs and tinkering with hardware likely found this blind near erligious faith annoying considering how big the holes in what are known really are.
Maddie_Larkin
Just how powerful is the PS4 CPU compared to contemporary PC CPUs? I mean the PS4 RAM and GPU has been hyped a lot. But, I haven't really heard much about the PS4 CPU.
[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]See this is the the kind of dumb-asses we love to hate No you can't have it both ways. So when the topi is price you want to make a PC with the first thing and the cheapest you can buy,but when the topic is graphics,you people pull the most expensive parts,and then go back to the price thread and still claim PC is not that expensive.. Here is what some hermit had been arguing with me.. Power level us. 7970,7970 GHZ edition,680GTX and some even the Titan to show how incredibly powerful the PC is. On CPU side no less I7 from Intel. Now this pass few days they add SSD and multiple HDD on Raid which boost graphics by nothing,but help a few miserable second in loading to be less painful. Then they pull 16GB of memory. When you add this ^^ up there is not fu**** way that you don't spend $1,000 or more,the damn Gforce Titan alone cost more than $1,000,the 7970 $400,the 7970 GHZ edition even more,oh an i did not name the 690GTX or 7990 other 2 GPU that are use against console gamers,one is $999 the 690GTX and the other $900 dollars the 7990. So when you use this ^^ as point of reference note that you are debating component that will sky rocket PC price over a console several times,just buying an I7 + a Gforce Titan is close to $1,500 dollars,trow an 512GB SSD and you have $2,000 dollars worth of hardware that serve you for nothing,because you can't play anything with just an SSD drive,a GPU and a CPU,you need more components,memory,mother board,case,power supply,in many cases extra cooling,ram and so on.. So the next time some one claim PC cost more than $1,000 to make remember that if Hermits fault,because if you who build incredible powerful set up just to trow mud at consoles,you can have a decent $700 dollar PC but it will not be one with a Gforce Titan,and I7 with 512GB SSD and many other gismos. I bought a 7970 on ebay 305 bucks shipped. A ssd does not cost much samsung 840 128gb about 100 bucks on ebay. Raid 0 is just two hard drives or more and hard drives are cheap. Buying a i7 is not needed a i5 oc'd is more than enough. Memory is cheap 16gb of quality memory is about 115 bucks. A good motherboard is about 140.Trying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess
tormentos
So you can build a beastly system for 1k that will last for years. I would wait till ddr4/5 boards drop and get the old stuff even cheaper. This has worked for me building high end systems on med pc money.
I bought a 7970 on ebay 305 bucks shipped. A ssd does not cost much samsung 840 128gb about 100 bucks on ebay. Raid 0 is just two hard drives or more and hard drives are cheap. Buying a i7 is not needed a i5 oc'd is more than enough. Memory is cheap 16gb of quality memory is about 115 bucks. A good motherboard is about 140.Who in his right mind would buy a GPU on Ebay,that is an electronic device for PC,it could work for 10 days and fail on you and you loss your money. Fact is 7970 are close $400 minimum price,$400 most models and more than $400 in several models,i can buy a PS3 cheaper on Ebay to does that mean every one buy a PS3 on ebay.? No you go by retailers price not by ebay. Anything you use as reference of ebay has no point what so ever and is irrelevant because when you go to stores they will not give you ebay prices. I have a PS3 that has lasted more than the 7800GTX many bough 7 years ago,the same with the xbox 360,and i don't have to worry about settings,and the game is the same with lower graphics,you don't get it console will give more with less. SSD 128GB is like $140 dollars new,and the GPU you just use is $400 so basically you have $540 dollars of hardware on GPU and SSD alone,that is probably $140 more than the PS4 will cost,and i have a complete system you don't..So you can build a beastly system for 1k that will last for years. I would wait till ddr4/5 boards drop and get the old stuff even cheaper. This has worked for me building high end systems on med pc money.
no-scope-AK47
[QUOTE="Maddie_Larkin"]This is another kind of hypocrite post. So you have been for 6 years trowing on consolites how ram starved their consoles are,now all of a sudden sony say hey we will have 8GB of GDDR5 which not even $1000 dollar cards have and suddenly Ram is sh** ram is not important oh the ram is the new Cell.. Ram without question is one of the most important parts of a PC,even Crytek highly this many other developers to,maybe they know something you don't. The PS4 has more than 1 advantage over PC,is not just ram,the whole system architecture is build from ground up to be simply more efficient,from the Apu point of view GPU and CPU on the same die with a common memory address,which will increase efficiency and lower latency,to been push right to the metal something that on PC can't be done now.. There are more like having to carry a bloated OS,having multiple chips to help with task rather than let them to the CPU and use its resources. Sure there is always the crazy fan but is not always that way,and some hermit are so blinded that they basically ignore open quote from developers them self,the people who make the games they play with.Havent seen alot of hate for the PS4, seen LOTS of hate for the fanboys and trolls.
The thing that bugs most people is how very little is known about the PS4 hardware, what we do know sounded good, but what we do know is pretty much the RAM alone, there have been theoretical guesses on the rest of the system.
How long did it take for the forums to be flooded with a near religious worship of the GDDR5 Ram though? If I remember there were about 15 threads within 30 mins of the conferance, and the ball just kept rolling with the unrealistic babble of the console and the RAM.
I have seen very little people downplaying the PS4, from any group of people really, alot of people stating that it would not be wise to say alot about it untill we have a final box we could measure and test. But Nooo, 30 mins and the threads about "Sony Owenage" poured in. Mostly trolls sure.
SO basicly what people hate on is not the PS4, it is the Cows, that are demonstrating the pure dribbeling insanity of a mental patient. And then gets overly passive agressive when people point out the facts that tey really don't know alot about the system yet.
PC gamers who love specs and tinkering with hardware likely found this blind near erligious faith annoying considering how big the holes in what are known really are.
tormentos
And this dumb ass post is why Cows are considered the worst. Where have I stated that the 8 GBs are not a good thing? You would find I have often refered to it as a good thing, but what do you know about the specs? Do tell me, how does the CPU work, how fast does it calculate? Just how good is the GPU (and THIS is one of the most important hardware parts in a console). How does the OS work, and how much overhead does it use? How is the infrastructure and pipelinge set up?
You know nothing about what you hype, blind faith, you are indeed one of those near religious people Ive pointed out are a huge problem across all platforms.
You see, you know jack, yet you claim that you know. Calling people hipocrites when they leverage a point towards you. Where are your info on the system? Do give me the measurements. You are as big of a hypocrite as they come, and you do exactly what is critizised, you only mention the Ram. ANd tell you what read up on ram in average, you might learn, but ofcourse you are afraid of that. Afraid of learning about what you put that blind faith in. Ram are important, but it is not THE ONLY important part.
So basicly you know nothing about me, nor the posts Ive posted on here since you claim that I dismiss ram, crawl back to your hole Troll.
Oh the CPU is much weaker than top of the line CPU,which will cost you basically what the PS4 cost. But the PS4 doesn't need an ultra powerful CPU,the CPU on PS4 doesn't even has to handle an OS the there is a chip for that,it doesn't have to run background task like PC's do,it has extra help so the whole 8 cores are for gaming...Just how powerful is the PS4 CPU compared to contemporary PC CPUs? I mean the PS4 RAM and GPU has been hyped a lot. But, I haven't really heard much about the PS4 CPU.
jun_aka_pekto
[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]Oh the CPU is much weaker than top of the line CPU,which will cost you basically what the PS4 cost. But the PS4 doesn't need an ultra powerful CPU,the CPU on PS4 doesn't even has to handle an OS the there is a chip for that,it doesn't have to run background task like PC's do,it has extra help so the whole 8 cores are for gaming... The CPU can handle the OS, they are offloading it to make maximum use of the processing power.Just how powerful is the PS4 CPU compared to contemporary PC CPUs? I mean the PS4 RAM and GPU has been hyped a lot. But, I haven't really heard much about the PS4 CPU.
tormentos
This is another kind of hypocrite post. So you have been for 6 years trowing on consolites how ram starved their consoles are,now all of a sudden sony say hey we will have 8GB of GDDR5 which not even $1000 dollar cards have and suddenly Ram is sh** ram is not important oh the ram is the new Cell.. Ram without question is one of the most important parts of a PC,even Crytek highly this many other developers to,maybe they know something you don't. The PS4 has more than 1 advantage over PC,is not just ram,the whole system architecture is build from ground up to be simply more efficient,from the Apu point of view GPU and CPU on the same die with a common memory address,which will increase efficiency and lower latency,to been push right to the metal something that on PC can't be done now.. There are more like having to carry a bloated OS,having multiple chips to help with task rather than let them to the CPU and use its resources. Sure there is always the crazy fan but is not always that way,and some hermit are so blinded that they basically ignore open quote from developers them self,the people who make the games they play with.[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Maddie_Larkin"]
Havent seen alot of hate for the PS4, seen LOTS of hate for the fanboys and trolls.
The thing that bugs most people is how very little is known about the PS4 hardware, what we do know sounded good, but what we do know is pretty much the RAM alone, there have been theoretical guesses on the rest of the system.
How long did it take for the forums to be flooded with a near religious worship of the GDDR5 Ram though? If I remember there were about 15 threads within 30 mins of the conferance, and the ball just kept rolling with the unrealistic babble of the console and the RAM.
I have seen very little people downplaying the PS4, from any group of people really, alot of people stating that it would not be wise to say alot about it untill we have a final box we could measure and test. But Nooo, 30 mins and the threads about "Sony Owenage" poured in. Mostly trolls sure.
SO basicly what people hate on is not the PS4, it is the Cows, that are demonstrating the pure dribbeling insanity of a mental patient. And then gets overly passive agressive when people point out the facts that tey really don't know alot about the system yet.
PC gamers who love specs and tinkering with hardware likely found this blind near erligious faith annoying considering how big the holes in what are known really are.
Maddie_Larkin
And this dumb ass post is why Cows are considered the worst. Where have I stated that the 8 GBs are not a good thing? You would find I have often refered to it as a good thing, but what do you know about the specs? Do tell me, how does the CPU work, how fast does it calculate? Just how good is the GPU (and THIS is one of the most important hardware parts in a console). How does the OS work, and how much overhead does it use? How is the infrastructure and pipelinge set up?
You know nothing about what you hype, blind faith, you are indeed one of those near religious people Ive pointed out are a huge problem across all platforms.
You see, you know jack, yet you claim that you know. Calling people hipocrites when they leverage a point towards you. Where are your info on the system? Do give me the measurements. You are as big of a hypocrite as they come, and you do exactly what is critizised, you only mention the Ram. ANd tell you what read up on ram in average, you might learn, but ofcourse you are afraid of that. Afraid of learning about what you put that blind faith in. Ram are important, but it is not THE ONLY important part.
So basicly you know nothing about me, nor the posts Ive posted on here since you claim that I dismiss ram, crawl back to your hole Troll.
But you are generalizing all the cows,that is what i just did generalize all the hermits.. Fair is fair don't you think.? Dude the OS on PS4 is handle by a separate on board chip ARM like,so that means the CPU doesn't have to break a suet on the OS,the features of recording video done by a separate chip as well,CPU and GPU on the same die 1 memory pool which eliminates having to share information back and forward between the GPU and CPU and eliminate the wait between communication AKA latency.. Ram will deliver a bigger blow to your graphics than power will,i debate this with actual link here how one GPU for having less ram would received a bigger impact on a game,than having a stronger GPU. Test was done on 2 7850,1 with 1GB of memory and the other with 2GB,same memory same speed sane GPU. The 7850 with 1 GB loss 33FPS just on 1080p vs the 2GB model of the same card,imaging how much bigger the impact would have been on even higher resolution,the text was on Slyrim. The difference between the 7970 vs the 7850 in BF3 at 2560x1600 on Ultra is actually 21 FPS,so the 7850 got a bigger hit by been ram starved in Skyrim,than the 7850 took on BF3 on ultra 2560x1600 vs the 7970 a much more powerful GPU at least on Teraflops..[QUOTE="Maddie_Larkin"][QUOTE="tormentos"] This is another kind of hypocrite post. So you have been for 6 years trowing on consolites how ram starved their consoles are,now all of a sudden sony say hey we will have 8GB of GDDR5 which not even $1000 dollar cards have and suddenly Ram is sh** ram is not important oh the ram is the new Cell.. Ram without question is one of the most important parts of a PC,even Crytek highly this many other developers to,maybe they know something you don't. The PS4 has more than 1 advantage over PC,is not just ram,the whole system architecture is build from ground up to be simply more efficient,from the Apu point of view GPU and CPU on the same die with a common memory address,which will increase efficiency and lower latency,to been push right to the metal something that on PC can't be done now.. There are more like having to carry a bloated OS,having multiple chips to help with task rather than let them to the CPU and use its resources. Sure there is always the crazy fan but is not always that way,and some hermit are so blinded that they basically ignore open quote from developers them self,the people who make the games they play with.tormentos
And this dumb ass post is why Cows are considered the worst. Where have I stated that the 8 GBs are not a good thing? You would find I have often refered to it as a good thing, but what do you know about the specs? Do tell me, how does the CPU work, how fast does it calculate? Just how good is the GPU (and THIS is one of the most important hardware parts in a console). How does the OS work, and how much overhead does it use? How is the infrastructure and pipelinge set up?
You know nothing about what you hype, blind faith, you are indeed one of those near religious people Ive pointed out are a huge problem across all platforms.
You see, you know jack, yet you claim that you know. Calling people hipocrites when they leverage a point towards you. Where are your info on the system? Do give me the measurements. You are as big of a hypocrite as they come, and you do exactly what is critizised, you only mention the Ram. ANd tell you what read up on ram in average, you might learn, but ofcourse you are afraid of that. Afraid of learning about what you put that blind faith in. Ram are important, but it is not THE ONLY important part.
So basicly you know nothing about me, nor the posts Ive posted on here since you claim that I dismiss ram, crawl back to your hole Troll.
But you are generalizing all the cows,that is what i just did generalize all the hermits.. Fair is fair don't you think.? Dude the OS on PS4 is handle by a separate on board chip ARM like,so that means the CPU doesn't have to break a suet on the OS,the features of recording video done by a separate chip as well,CPU and GPU on the same die 1 memory pool which eliminates having to share information back and forward between the GPU and CPU and eliminate the wait between communication AKA latency.. Ram will deliver a bigger blow to your graphics than power will,i debate this with actual link here how one GPU for having less ram would received a bigger impact on a game,than having a stronger GPU. Test was done on 2 7850,1 with 1GB of memory and the other with 2GB,same memory same speed sane GPU. The 7850 with 1 GB loss 33FPS just on 1080p vs the 2GB model of the same card,imaging how much bigger the impact would have been on even higher resolution,the text was on Slyrim. The difference between the 7970 vs the 7850 in BF3 at 2560x1600 on Ultra is actually 21 FPS,so the 7850 got a bigger hit by been ram starved in Skyrim,than the 7850 took on BF3 on ultra 2560x1600 vs the 7970 a much more powerful GPU at least on Teraflops..But the difference is that you walsed in here underlining that you are indeed one of those cows in question, I do not identify myself as a Hermit. Yet you consider me a hypocrite. Basicly You underlined why you are part of the problem, while accusing me of being the same, and you still do not know how the PS4 OS work, and what is limited to the rumored Arm running its OS, and how much bleeds over to the standard Processor (Ie how the hooks for the seperate decoder and arm overlaps overlays, and directly hooks into the games, which no one can tell apart from the devs themselves, since they approach the archetecture differently)
So basicly any expression on uncertainty of what known, is met by hostility by you. Hypocrite to the last fiber, or troll. Either case lost cause.
Also GDDR5 IS worse for none GPU related processes, while I consider th GDDR5 the best option for an APU it is not universalliy considered The Be all end all. How they utilize it I do not know, but the difference between us is that I have no fear expressing the unknown while hoping for the best. You and the Cows like you get overly agressive with anyone daring to express doubt that it will be the be all end all that Cows make it out to be.
So again console again, you base all you claim on things you can not measure, again blind faith and no solids. Very much like the religious fanatic I pointed out that they were. I find it fun that you are so certain, and I garantee you that the GPU processor often offsets WAY more then the Ram on the GPU, While too little RAM hinders and hampers a GPU, it is often seen that Producers of the cards often slap a ton of ram on the card, which in practice can not really be used by the card.
You see, we can not state jack **** about the PS4, simple fact that unless you are a DEV or involved with production you have no acess to the dev kits and thus no idea what the console can do. How well the parts work together.
And I know very well how an APU works thank you, I also know what jobs are made by a cpu and GPU usually, information sharing is faster, but the CPU can have a very real chance of choking the GPU. While the closed platform makes the GPU perform better overall, it is STILL not some magical option that shatters the laws of physics.
And yet you claim Hermits are agressive? Don't make me laugh. There are about 2 pages of very real reasons why you find Hermits aggrivated.
You have stated blind guesses, no solids, you lash out at any worries, and you claim outright stupid claims. So yeah, I know that personal attacks are not allowed on SW, but In your case I will risk the possible Admin lashout since you are pretty much central to the question of the OP.
Because it's a console.
Something that puts the drag on PC.
crippledmachine
no..developers put the drag on pc..i get really tired of this argument..people have played games on consoles more than pc..regardless of any numbers out there that say otherwise..CONSOLES come 1st..pc is last when it comes to development..sorry.PC can be more powerful all it wants,open to mods,free to play..WONT MATTER..PLUGnPLAY all day long will win over complicated crap..
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] I bought a 7970 on ebay 305 bucks shipped. A ssd does not cost much samsung 840 128gb about 100 bucks on ebay. Raid 0 is just two hard drives or more and hard drives are cheap. Buying a i7 is not needed a i5 oc'd is more than enough. Memory is cheap 16gb of quality memory is about 115 bucks. A good motherboard is about 140.Who in his right mind would buy a GPU on Ebay,that is an electronic device for PC,it could work for 10 days and fail on you and you loss your money. Fact is 7970 are close $400 minimum price,$400 most models and more than $400 in several models,i can buy a PS3 cheaper on Ebay to does that mean every one buy a PS3 on ebay.? No you go by retailers price not by ebay. Anything you use as reference of ebay has no point what so ever and is irrelevant because when you go to stores they will not give you ebay prices. I have a PS3 that has lasted more than the 7800GTX many bough 7 years ago,the same with the xbox 360,and i don't have to worry about settings,and the game is the same with lower graphics,you don't get it console will give more with less. SSD 128GB is like $140 dollars new,and the GPU you just use is $400 so basically you have $540 dollars of hardware on GPU and SSD alone,that is probably $140 more than the PS4 will cost,and i have a complete system you don't..So you can build a beastly system for 1k that will last for years. I would wait till ddr4/5 boards drop and get the old stuff even cheaper. This has worked for me building high end systems on med pc money.
tormentos
You can make up any excuse you want why ebay is a bad idea but I have not had any problems so far. Also I bought mine still under warranty. If it broke I send it back to amd. Only a sucker pays retail lmao. If you know what your looking for buy it online and save big. I can understand if it is a hot item like the ps4 will be but soon they will be marked down and/or used. Then I will get one cheaper and have games to play plus all the bugs will be known/fixed. Call me cheap if you wish but I learned early that you don't have to be rich to have nice things.
ude the OS on PS4 is handle by a separate on board chip ARM like,so that means the CPU doesn't have to break a suet on the OStormentos
How much of a sweat does a CPU break when running an OS? I'm in 64-bit Windows 7 typing this and CPU usage is mostly at 1%. When I run Crysis 3 on a window, I can see CPU usage in Task Manager. Crysis 3 takes the lion's share of CPU usage. The Desktop Windows Manager and Explorer are either at 0 or 1% usage. What do I need to do to see precisely how much CPU resources are allocated to the OS when a game is running?
[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]See this is the the kind of dumb-asses we love to hate No you can't have it both ways. So when the topi is price you want to make a PC with the first thing and the cheapest you can buy,but when the topic is graphics,you people pull the most expensive parts,and then go back to the price thread and still claim PC is not that expensive.. Here is what some hermit had been arguing with me.. Power level us. 7970,7970 GHZ edition,680GTX and some even the Titan to show how incredibly powerful the PC is. On CPU side no less I7 from Intel. Now this pass few days they add SSD and multiple HDD on Raid which boost graphics by nothing,but help a few miserable second in loading to be less painful. Then they pull 16GB of memory. When you add this ^^ up there is not fu**** way that you don't spend $1,000 or more,the damn Gforce Titan alone cost more than $1,000,the 7970 $400,the 7970 GHZ edition even more,oh an i did not name the 690GTX or 7990 other 2 GPU that are use against console gamers,one is $999 the 690GTX and the other $900 dollars the 7990. So when you use this ^^ as point of reference note that you are debating component that will sky rocket PC price over a console several times,just buying an I7 + a Gforce Titan is close to $1,500 dollars,trow an 512GB SSD and you have $2,000 dollars worth of hardware that serve you for nothing,because you can't play anything with just an SSD drive,a GPU and a CPU,you need more components,memory,mother board,case,power supply,in many cases extra cooling,ram and so on.. So the next time some one claim PC cost more than $1,000 to make remember that if Hermits fault,because if you who build incredible powerful set up just to trow mud at consoles,you can have a decent $700 dollar PC but it will not be one with a Gforce Titan,and I7 with 512GB SSD and many other gismos. I cant have it both ways ? When console fanboys rage about pc gaming been expensive and they are proven wrong all the time then yes i can have it both ways Yes building a pc from scratch it will cost more and no it wont come anywhere near 1500-2000 most console fanboys think a good pc costs Nowdays an i5 with a 7870 should be about PS4 level ( if not more ) 8-9 months before PS4 release and you can build one for around 750 ( do i really need to prove it to you ? ) Also fanboys forget game prices on pc vs game prices on consoles as they also forget the massive sales pc gets much more often than consoles ( be sure to find a couple of dozen games on sale every day let alone weekend sales,midweek sales etc etc ) Also fanboys seem to forget that a pc is more than something to play videogames and spending $700-800 with the occasional $150-250 upgrade every 2-3 years ) to be not only play games better than consoles but to be able to use MSoffice for my job , Use it for photo and video editing and lots of other stuff including spewing nonsense in System Wars something your $300-500 console cant doTrying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess
tormentos
[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]See this is the the kind of dumb-asses we love to hate No you can't have it both ways. So when the topi is price you want to make a PC with the first thing and the cheapest you can buy,but when the topic is graphics,you people pull the most expensive parts,and then go back to the price thread and still claim PC is not that expensive.. Here is what some hermit had been arguing with me.. Power level us. 7970,7970 GHZ edition,680GTX and some even the Titan to show how incredibly powerful the PC is. On CPU side no less I7 from Intel. Now this pass few days they add SSD and multiple HDD on Raid which boost graphics by nothing,but help a few miserable second in loading to be less painful. Then they pull 16GB of memory. When you add this ^^ up there is not fu**** way that you don't spend $1,000 or more,the damn Gforce Titan alone cost more than $1,000,the 7970 $400,the 7970 GHZ edition even more,oh an i did not name the 690GTX or 7990 other 2 GPU that are use against console gamers,one is $999 the 690GTX and the other $900 dollars the 7990. So when you use this ^^ as point of reference note that you are debating component that will sky rocket PC price over a console several times,just buying an I7 + a Gforce Titan is close to $1,500 dollars,trow an 512GB SSD and you have $2,000 dollars worth of hardware that serve you for nothing,because you can't play anything with just an SSD drive,a GPU and a CPU,you need more components,memory,mother board,case,power supply,in many cases extra cooling,ram and so on.. So the next time some one claim PC cost more than $1,000 to make remember that if Hermits fault,because if you who build incredible powerful set up just to trow mud at consoles,you can have a decent $700 dollar PC but it will not be one with a Gforce Titan,and I7 with 512GB SSD and many other gismos.Trying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess
tormentos
The thing about PC is, you decided how expensive you want it to be.
[QUOTE="Maddie_Larkin"]This is another kind of hypocrite post. So you have been for 6 years trowing on consolites how ram starved their consoles are,now all of a sudden sony say hey we will have 8GB of GDDR5 which not even $1000 dollar cards have and suddenly Ram is sh** ram is not important oh the ram is the new Cell.. Ram without question is one of the most important parts of a PC,even Crytek highly this many other developers to,maybe they know something you don't. The PS4 has more than 1 advantage over PC,is not just ram,the whole system architecture is build from ground up to be simply more efficient,from the Apu point of view GPU and CPU on the same die with a common memory address,which will increase efficiency and lower latency,to been push right to the metal something that on PC can't be done now.. There are more like having to carry a bloated OS,having multiple chips to help with task rather than let them to the CPU and use its resources. Sure there is always the crazy fan but is not always that way,and some hermit are so blinded that they basically ignore open quote from developers them self,the people who make the games they play with.Havent seen alot of hate for the PS4, seen LOTS of hate for the fanboys and trolls.
The thing that bugs most people is how very little is known about the PS4 hardware, what we do know sounded good, but what we do know is pretty much the RAM alone, there have been theoretical guesses on the rest of the system.
How long did it take for the forums to be flooded with a near religious worship of the GDDR5 Ram though? If I remember there were about 15 threads within 30 mins of the conferance, and the ball just kept rolling with the unrealistic babble of the console and the RAM.
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I have seen very little people downplaying the PS4, from any group of people really, alot of people stating that it would not be wise to say alot about it untill we have a final box we could measure and test. But Nooo, 30 mins and the threads about "Sony Owenage" poured in. Mostly trolls sure.
SO basicly what people hate on is not the PS4, it is the Cows, that are demonstrating the pure dribbeling insanity of a mental patient. And then gets overly passive agressive when people point out the facts that tey really don't know alot about the system yet.
PC gamers who love specs and tinkering with hardware likely found this blind near erligious faith annoying considering how big the holes in what are known really are.
tormentos
What does a 1000$ card have anything to do with not having 8GDDR5 ? I could have a 8GDDR5 of ram with a peice of crap GPU... making the ram useless.
If the most important part of PC is ram for gaming, then holy crap I don't know how to build a gaming PC.
Console always had that advantage of coding... it's nothing new.
Hermits are pi$$ed off because Killzone 4's graphics takes a sh1t all over Crysis 3 maxed out.
Hermits are pi$$ed off because Killzone 4's graphics takes a sh1t all over Crysis 3 maxed out.
NathanDrakeSwag
Oh so you played Killzone 4 ?
see another example on what we hate. Fanboys with time machines declaring graphics king a game that is nearly a year away from releaseHermits are pi$$ed off because Killzone 4's graphics takes a sh1t all over Crysis 3 maxed out.
NathanDrakeSwag
[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]see another example on what we hate. Fanboys with time machines declaring graphics king a game that is nearly a year away from release Cause nobody said that Diablo 3 was going to make consoles and every game ever obsolete years before release, amiright? :roll:Hermits are pi$$ed off because Killzone 4's graphics takes a sh1t all over Crysis 3 maxed out.
adamosmaki
[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]see another example on what we hate. Fanboys with time machines declaring graphics king a game that is nearly a year away from release Cause nobody said that Diablo 3 was going to make consoles and every game ever obsolete years before release, amiright? :roll: what ?Hermits are pi$$ed off because Killzone 4's graphics takes a sh1t all over Crysis 3 maxed out.
DrTrafalgarLaw
Justify paying 300$ for a sh!t tier gaming experience.Trying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess
finalstar2007
[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]see another example on what we hate. Fanboys with time machines declaring graphics king a game that is nearly a year away from release Cause nobody said that Diablo 3 was going to make consoles and every game ever obsolete years before release, amiright? :roll:Hermits are pi$$ed off because Killzone 4's graphics takes a sh1t all over Crysis 3 maxed out.
DrTrafalgarLaw
I don't think anyone was surprised Diablo 3 came to console considering how many job postings blizzard made for a console dev team. Â And diablo has come to consoles before anyways
No you can't have it both ways. So when the topi is price you want to make a PC with the first thing and the cheapest you can buy,but when the topic is graphics,you people pull the most expensive parts,and then go back to the price thread and still claim PC is not that expensive.. Here is what some hermit had been arguing with me.. Power level us. 7970,7970 GHZ edition,680GTX and some even the Titan to show how incredibly powerful the PC is. On CPU side no less I7 from Intel. Now this pass few days they add SSD and multiple HDD on Raid which boost graphics by nothing,but help a few miserable second in loading to be less painful. Then they pull 16GB of memory. When you add this ^^ up there is not fu**** way that you don't spend $1,000 or more,the damn Gforce Titan alone cost more than $1,000,the 7970 $400,the 7970 GHZ edition even more,oh an i did not name the 690GTX or 7990 other 2 GPU that are use against console gamers,one is $999 the 690GTX and the other $900 dollars the 7990. So when you use this ^^ as point of reference note that you are debating component that will sky rocket PC price over a console several times,just buying an I7 + a Gforce Titan is close to $1,500 dollars,trow an 512GB SSD and you have $2,000 dollars worth of hardware that serve you for nothing,because you can't play anything with just an SSD drive,a GPU and a CPU,you need more components,memory,mother board,case,power supply,in many cases extra cooling,ram and so on.. So the next time some one claim PC cost more than $1,000 to make remember that if Hermits fault,because if you who build incredible powerful set up just to trow mud at consoles,you can have a decent $700 dollar PC but it will not be one with a Gforce Titan,and I7 with 512GB SSD and many other gismos.[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] See this is the the kind of dumb-asses we love to hate Bebi_vegeta
The thing about PC is, you decided how expensive you want it to be.
Ignit console gamers will never understand.Cause nobody said that Diablo 3 was going to make consoles and every game ever obsolete years before release, amiright? :roll:[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] see another example on what we hate. Fanboys with time machines declaring graphics king a game that is nearly a year away from release lostrib
I don't think anyone was surprised Diablo 3 came to console considering how many job postings blizzard made for a console dev team. Â And diablo has come to consoles before anyways
Even Starcraft and Warcraft 2 had come to consoles before. Blizzard isn't new to consoles.
You can make up any excuse you want why ebay is a bad idea but I have not had any problems so far. Also I bought mine still under warranty. If it broke I send it back to amd. Only a sucker pays retail lmao. If you know what your looking for buy it online and save big. I can understand if it is a hot item like the ps4 will be but soon they will be marked down and/or used. Then I will get one cheaper and have games to play plus all the bugs will be known/fixed. Call me cheap if you wish but I learned early that you don't have to be rich to have nice things. no-scope-AK47You don't get warranty for Ebay GPU that is a new one for me. Please show some proof because as you can see you can type any sh** on this board and doesn't mean is true. Buying xbox live number over the internet is one thing,buying an electronic device second hand from god knows who on Ebay is not.
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]You can make up any excuse you want why ebay is a bad idea but I have not had any problems so far. Also I bought mine still under warranty. If it broke I send it back to amd. Only a sucker pays retail lmao. If you know what your looking for buy it online and save big. I can understand if it is a hot item like the ps4 will be but soon they will be marked down and/or used. Then I will get one cheaper and have games to play plus all the bugs will be known/fixed. Call me cheap if you wish but I learned early that you don't have to be rich to have nice things. tormentosYou don't get warranty for Ebay GPU that is a new one for me. Please show some proof because as you can see you can type any sh** on this board and doesn't mean is true. Buying xbox live number over the internet is one thing,buying an electronic device second hand from god knows who on Ebay is not.
Certain GPU warranties are transferable or only based on the serial so it doesnt matter who is the original purchaser
What does a 1000$ card have anything to do with not having 8GDDR5 ? I could have a 8GDDR5 of ram with a peice of crap GPU... making the ram useless.This post here show how stupid some poster here are specially hermit and miss inform to. YOU CAN'T GET 8GB OF GDDR5 ON PC AND PAIR IT WITH A CRAPPY GPU. GDDR5 is not available for system ram,and the quantity been pair with GPU's now is far less,in other words the PS4 has as much ram than a $1,000 dollars GPU the Gforce Titan. You will not see a cripple GPU with 8GB of GDDR5,the PS4 having that amount is quite a novelty,even for PC on PC you see 16GB or ram,but is DDR3 not GDDR5,only special hardware on PC had such amounts. "'Memory is the single most important thing that is always going to be underbalanced - I've never seen a console where the memory was the right balance. "Xbox 360, underbalanced. PlayStation 3, underbalanced. Simply because memory is the most expensive part, hence I wish there would be cheaper ways of doing memory so that memory doesn't become an issue anymore." He added: "If they find ways to cheapen the cost to a degree they could triple or quadruple their memory. Just say, 'Hey we're going to have 32 gigs of memory'. That would be quite amazing because memory can do so many more techniques and tricks."' http://www.computerandvideogames.com/383271/crytek-ceo-drops-possible-hint-at-8gb-of-ram-in-next-gen-consoles/ Crytek on how important Ram is.. You people can claim blindly now that memory is not important,the top dog making graphical games on PC disagree.If the most important part of PC is ram for gaming, then holy crap I don't know how to build a gaming PC.
Console always had that advantage of coding... it's nothing new.
Bebi_vegeta
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]What does a 1000$ card have anything to do with not having 8GDDR5 ? I could have a 8GDDR5 of ram with a peice of crap GPU... making the ram useless.This post here show how stupid some poster here are specially hermit and miss inform to. YOU CAN'T GET 8GB OF GDDR5 ON PC AND PAIR IT WITH A CRAPPY GPU. GDDR5 is not available for system ram,and the quantity been pair with GPU's now is far less,in other words the PS4 has as much ram than a $1,000 dollars GPU the Gforce Titan. You will not see a cripple GPU with 8GB of GDDR5,the PS4 having that amount is quite a novelty,even for PC on PC you see 16GB or ram,but is DDR3 not GDDR5,only special hardware on PC had such amounts. "'Memory is the single most important thing that is always going to be underbalanced - I've never seen a console where the memory was the right balance. "Xbox 360, underbalanced. PlayStation 3, underbalanced. Simply because memory is the most expensive part, hence I wish there would be cheaper ways of doing memory so that memory doesn't become an issue anymore." He added: "If they find ways to cheapen the cost to a degree they could triple or quadruple their memory. Just say, 'Hey we're going to have 32 gigs of memory'. That would be quite amazing because memory can do so many more techniques and tricks."' http://www.computerandvideogames.com/383271/crytek-ceo-drops-possible-hint-at-8gb-of-ram-in-next-gen-consoles/ Crytek on how important Ram is.. You people can claim blindly now that memory is not important,the top dog making graphical games on PC disagree.If the most important part of PC is ram for gaming, then holy crap I don't know how to build a gaming PC.
Console always had that advantage of coding... it's nothing new.
tormentos
Well it's not the most important if the CPU and GPU are crap
they should be happy. The complain all the time that consoles are holding them back, but if consoles become as powerful as PCs, then whats the problem. There will mostly likely be more multiplats for the PC too. Hermits didnt get RDR or LA Noir, they also had to wait awhile for GTA4.Nengo_FlowPC didn't get LA Noir? My steam list seems to disagree. On topic though a lot of people who game on PC that I've spoke to are happy the PS4 is coming out because it means games can be pushed forward on PC's and now that they use x86 the quality of the ports should go up.
They feel threatened by it.fueled-system
This. Not as in "I agree" but as in comments like those are the reason it get's a lot of hate. Cows are acting like the PS4 is the most powerful piece of gaming hardware in existence, which is simply not true.Trying to justify paying $1000+ for their PC's is my guess
finalstar2007
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