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#101 SamiRDuran
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Why do consoles exist?? Well, probably because they are the most noted,most thought of,most marketed way of playing videogames? This is really a dumb thread and only made for "hook,line and sinker" reasons..well, you have us here bro..you did well.

PC are finiky. Make a pc that plays games and is user friendly and EVERY game is gamepad ready and it actually works correctly 100% of the time. PC are actually not intended for game play. Word processors and mathmatical devices first and foremost..Games are an after thought..NO matter how awesome you think PC games are..just simple addons that work sometimes and sometimes they dont.

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PCs have come a long way. What are consoles then that follow from way behind pc gaming technologies? toys?
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#102 TheBigBadGRIM
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[QUOTE="washd123"]

because you cant play pc gamres on a couch with friends while relaxing, and you have to upgrade every two months just to be able to play games. plus consoles are so significantly cheaper.

in fact why does pc gaming still exist?

subrosian
Because everything you said is incorrect? I have friends playing Starcraft II and WoW on 5 year old PCs "upgrade every 2 months" is bogus. You can buy a notebook computer for $600 ~ $800 that will comfortably run games like Modern Warfare 2, or spend the same amount on a desktop that will give you even more power, and allow you to upgrade inexpensively in a few years to better graphics cards for a longer life.

I'm sick of that "you have to upgrade every few months just to play games" argument. I have a 4 year old PC with last-gen hardware (Athlon 3800+ X2, 2GB RAM, Geforce 7600GT) and I can run games like StarCraft II, Modern Warfare 2, Mass Effect 2, Assassin's Creed 2, and other games on it. I'm sick of console gamers who dont have gaming PCs telling people like me what it takes to play on a computer. I'm the PC gamer and they're not. I know what it takes to play the latest games. I know more than enough and they clearly know nothing. I'm right. They're wrong. Why do they keep using the upgrade argument like they're trying to teach us something?
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#103 psx_warrior
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[QUOTE="flashn00b"]

PC gaming is dying from what i can see. It would take an act of martyrdom combined with pure luck in order to even preserve PC gaming's current status. Unfortunately, I do not know when Nomura will involve himself with another gaming event.

04dcarraher
Pc gaming isnt dying, its changing as with consoles, everything is going multiplatform and being digitalized over the internet. Believe it or not Consoles rely on Pc gaming to continue the adavancements in hardware and software. If Pc gaming dies Consoles would stagnat and fade out too.

I was just going to post the same thing. The gpus in both the ps3 and 360 are based off of tech of a few years ago. What would happen if pc gaming died? It would probably make the costs of consoles go way up, because the big three would have to develop their own new gpus from scratch. Who knows how things would change in the console gaming world.
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#104 psx_warrior
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="flashn00b"]

PC gaming is dying from what i can see. It would take an act of martyrdom combined with pure luck in order to even preserve PC gaming's current status. Unfortunately, I do not know when Nomura will involve himself with another gaming event.

flashn00b

Pc gaming isnt dying, its changing as with consoles, everything is going multiplatform and being digitalized over the internet. Believe it or not Consoles rely on Pc gaming to continue the adavancements in hardware and software. If Pc gaming dies Consoles would stagnat and fade out too.

That is a fact people fail to see.

People need to realize that PC gaming's disappearance will have dire ramifications that will affect console gaming. Hell, somebody tell Tetsuya Nomura to stop killing PC gaming with his Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts.

Yeah, just imagine how good Final Fantasy XIII would have looked on a machine from even a year or two ago. My machine is a year and a half old, and it smokes my ps3 in terms of graphics. We really need some of these big name jrpgs to come to the pc.
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#105 subrosian
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Yeah, just imagine how good Final Fantasy XIII would have looked on a machine from even a year or two ago. My machine is a year and a half old, and it smokes my ps3 in terms of graphics. We really need some of these big name jrpgs to come to the pc.psx_warrior
The biggest problem with FF XIII wasn't graphics though, it was gameplay. The games that have come from the "school of PC thinking" like Fallout 3, Oblivion and Mass Effect have been far, far better games. Even though consoles have those games, they do owe a debt to PC for creating that type of "open gaming" they enjoy so much. If we just went with Japanese influences in RPG design, we'd be seeing increasingly tedious (low-budget) or increasingly simplified (high-budget) games. Demon's Souls, Monster Hunter and 3D Dot Heroes are the closest things to Japanese RPGs I've been happy with. In the other realm, the stuff that's supposed to be my FF7 ~ FF10 "fix", I've been hugely disappointed.
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#106 Mograine
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They were originally born as cheap alternatives to PC gaming.

Now, they exist because they are profitable.

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#107 NerubianWeaver
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="washd123"]

because you cant play pc gamres on a couch with friends while relaxing, and you have to upgrade every two months just to be able to play games. plus consoles are so significantly cheaper.

in fact why does pc gaming still exist?

TheBigBadGRIM
Because everything you said is incorrect? I have friends playing Starcraft II and WoW on 5 year old PCs "upgrade every 2 months" is bogus. You can buy a notebook computer for $600 ~ $800 that will comfortably run games like Modern Warfare 2, or spend the same amount on a desktop that will give you even more power, and allow you to upgrade inexpensively in a few years to better graphics cards for a longer life.

I'm sick of that "you have to upgrade every few months just to play games" argument. I have a 4 year old PC with last-gen hardware (Athlon 3800+ X2, 2GB RAM, Geforce 7600GT) and I can run games like StarCraft II, Modern Warfare 2, Mass Effect 2, Assassin's Creed 2, and other games on it. I'm sick of console gamers who dont have gaming PCs telling people like me what it takes to play on a computer. I'm the PC gamer and they're not. I know what it takes to play the latest games. I know more than enough and they clearly know nothing. I'm right. They're wrong. Why do they keep using the upgrade argument like they're trying to teach us something?

Do you think that certain rig of yours can max the games you mention above. I doubt that it will perform better than console versions
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#108 psx_warrior
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[QUOTE="psx_warrior"]Yeah, just imagine how good Final Fantasy XIII would have looked on a machine from even a year or two ago. My machine is a year and a half old, and it smokes my ps3 in terms of graphics. We really need some of these big name jrpgs to come to the pc.subrosian
The biggest problem with FF XIII wasn't graphics though, it was gameplay. The games that have come from the "school of PC thinking" like Fallout 3, Oblivion and Mass Effect have been far, far better games. Even though consoles have those games, they do owe a debt to PC for creating that type of "open gaming" they enjoy so much. If we just went with Japanese influences in RPG design, we'd be seeing increasingly tedious (low-budget) or increasingly simplified (high-budget) games. Demon's Souls, Monster Hunter and 3D Dot Heroes are the closest things to Japanese RPGs I've been happy with. In the other realm, the stuff that's supposed to be my FF7 ~ FF10 "fix", I've been hugely disappointed.

I'm not saying just go with those kinds of games. I just think that it may entice console gamers to take a closer look at the pc as a gaming platform. BTW, my machine was built at Best Buy. Well not really built. I picked a new gpu and psu to replace the said stock units. Didn't take cooling into consideration then, and now I have to put a regular household fan in front of the intake vent to cool the thing off until I can afford to have a good fan put in. While I'm at it, I'll have a better gpu put in too. I know, why'd I not build my own? Lack of time and knowledge really, but I"m not scared to learn for myself and try some day. I do have a basic working knowledge of PCs, or I wouldn't have had a clue of what to pick out for my machine in the first place. It's got a quad core running at 2.33 ghz, so it'll be good for a long time to come as far as games go. Just need a new cooling fan and possibly a new gpu to run Crysis at smoother frame rates. Also have a Radeon 4850 512 mbs. Just rambling on now, but I wanted to do pc gaming because I was shown the light by a friend that pc truly is greater than ps3 in the graphics arena. Also, I can't go back to the inaccuracy of the right analog stick for aiming.
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#109 psx_warrior
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[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"][QUOTE="TheBigBadGRIM"][QUOTE="subrosian"] Because everything you said is incorrect? I have friends playing Starcraft II and WoW on 5 year old PCs "upgrade every 2 months" is bogus. You can buy a notebook computer for $600 ~ $800 that will comfortably run games like Modern Warfare 2, or spend the same amount on a desktop that will give you even more power, and allow you to upgrade inexpensively in a few years to better graphics cards for a longer life.

I'm sick of that "you have to upgrade every few months just to play games" argument. I have a 4 year old PC with last-gen hardware (Athlon 3800+ X2, 2GB RAM, Geforce 7600GT) and I can run games like StarCraft II, Modern Warfare 2, Mass Effect 2, Assassin's Creed 2, and other games on it. I'm sick of console gamers who dont have gaming PCs telling people like me what it takes to play on a computer. I'm the PC gamer and they're not. I know what it takes to play the latest games. I know more than enough and they clearly know nothing. I'm right. They're wrong. Why do they keep using the upgrade argument like they're trying to teach us something?

Do you think that certain rig of yours can max the games you mention above. I doubt that it will perform better than console versions

Does sound like it's time for him to upgrade, but even so, we as pc gamers have the option of turning down the graphic effects if they tax the hardware too much. That at least insures that people that own systems from the low end, to the high end can play the same games. They may not look as good as Kill Zone 2, or they may look way better than Uncharted 2, but they will still run.
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#110 Zanoh
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Fine, let us help OP out then, shall we?

Consoles exist, because they have an ease of use PCs do not have, It is true that everything a console can, a PC can atleast aswell.

But PCs do require some maintenance (and no you really do not need to buy new hardware every few month, seems to be worth with consoles at this point tbh). Which alot of people do not want, so the Console exist to please the people who want to game, but do not want the hazzle of maintaining, and keep drivers up to date.

The Irony is that this gen there is only 1 company that really made a console, which was Nintendo, both the PS3 and 360 struck me as "PC light" basicly focusing on the same games PC always have, and tryied to build in some of the advantages of a PC. To varrying degrees of sucess.

Still both the 360 and PS3 is indeed a good pick for people who do not have the time to spend on PC (in my view the only real reason anyone would pick a console is "time"). Easy to use, easy to maintain, pretty much idiotproof, so very low chance of the user messing up something up that would breat the thing, unless they really went out of thier way to do so.

So the Consoles due to reasons of most other modern things "while not needed, it fits a role nothing else can do"

Cheaper offset price (altho potentially more expencive in the long haull), easier to use (none debatable), selfmaintaining (mostly none debatable), and takes far less time overall (since there is no upkeep).

Ido see However that Consoles are likely to die out, the way they are headed, in the sence we think of consoles anyways. They will likely become more and more like an universalentertainment system, integrading alot of thingsthat has 0 worthas a gaming console, tv shows, recorder, movie player, andan overall excellent library keeper. So they DO fill a spot ina great deal of peoples life.

Ofcourse a PC can do that, but since the PC is an universal tool, which cando pretty much what you want of it, due to its modular nature, it is also more complex.

*Breathes out* And no this is not a "Console gamers are dumb"post, after a long days work, it is the fewest people who wants to go home and fiddle with a pc, they just want to slap a game in, and have it play, no hazzle, no worry. Fairly logical, in my oppinion, despiteme beinga PCgamer mainly (do have a PS3, and whatya know, I use it as a universal media center in the livingroom, altho not gaming on it as much :s (due to reasons NOT directly related)

Maddie_Larkin

I agree with this post because it took the words out of my mouth. Shame the Wii and PC are getting most of my attention these days.

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#111 Mograine
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Do you think that certain rig of yours can max the games you mention above. I doubt that it will perform better than console versionsNerubianWeaver

WTF has that to do with anything?

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#112 JLF1
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Because there is money in it.

The reason there is money in it is that most people don't want to bother with the hassles of PC gaming. Games that won't run as they should, a bigger expense at the beggining (more if you can't build your own PC) and the idea of upkeep over the year even if it isn't expensive.

In fact, most of my friends have their PCs hooked up to their TVs but they don't play games on it. They are fully aware that I bought all 5 Codemasters racers this gen (Dirt, Dirt 2, Fuel, Grid, Toca 3) for $20 on steam earlier this year but they didn't care about that and bought Dirt 2 for $25 on the PS3 instead and basically forced me to buy that version as well if I want to play online with my friends.

The only PC game my friends are playing is World of Warcraft.

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#113 pelvist
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because you cant play pc gamres on a couch with friends while relaxing, and you have to upgrade every two months just to be able to play games. plus consoles are so significantly cheaper.

in fact why does pc gaming still exist?

washd123

^ :lol: These fanboys make me laugh...

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because you cant play pc gamres on a couch with friends while relaxing, and you have to upgrade every two months just to be able to play games. plus consoles are so significantly cheaper.

in fact why does pc gaming still exist?

washd123

Do you actually believe this?

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#115 washd123
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Do you actually believe this?

DragonfireXZ95

i believe the truth yes.

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#116 Timstuff
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Consoles could die and no one would notice. Think about it we got cameras because they are good at taking pictures, video cameras because they are good at taking videos. On the other hand we got consoles for what? Everything a console can do a PC could do it 10 times better. Contrary to that a dedicated camera takes better pictures than a mobile phone. So what are consoles good for?

MK-Professor
It is costing my brother almost $2000 to build a "gamer" PC. Yeah you can pull it off for cheaper, but it's not going to be that great. With consoles you get maximum bang for your buck. $300 for the best experience on a console, or $1800 for the best experience on a PC. And on top of that, most people don't want to build their own computers so the price is doubled due to the manufacturing fees. Consoles are not going away. PC gaming is actually in decline (unless you could MMOs and casual games, which have low spec requirements anyway), so I have a feeling that you are just jealous about consoles "stealing" success that you believe the PC deserves more. Well boo hoo, get over it.
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#117 gamebreakerz__
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More people would notice if consoles died than if you died.
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#118 Timstuff
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[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"][QUOTE="TheBigBadGRIM"][QUOTE="subrosian"] Because everything you said is incorrect? I have friends playing Starcraft II and WoW on 5 year old PCs "upgrade every 2 months" is bogus. You can buy a notebook computer for $600 ~ $800 that will comfortably run games like Modern Warfare 2, or spend the same amount on a desktop that will give you even more power, and allow you to upgrade inexpensively in a few years to better graphics cards for a longer life.

I'm sick of that "you have to upgrade every few months just to play games" argument. I have a 4 year old PC with last-gen hardware (Athlon 3800+ X2, 2GB RAM, Geforce 7600GT) and I can run games like StarCraft II, Modern Warfare 2, Mass Effect 2, Assassin's Creed 2, and other games on it. I'm sick of console gamers who dont have gaming PCs telling people like me what it takes to play on a computer. I'm the PC gamer and they're not. I know what it takes to play the latest games. I know more than enough and they clearly know nothing. I'm right. They're wrong. Why do they keep using the upgrade argument like they're trying to teach us something?

Do you think that certain rig of yours can max the games you mention above. I doubt that it will perform better than console versions

Starcraft 2 looks like an Xbox 1 game when it's optimized for my bro's laptop. Yeah, you can run it on the bare minimum, but it's going to look ugly. Console games are optimized for one precise hardware setup, so they run fine and look pretty. On PC though, they have to program around all the variables that exist between each and every PC. The only way you're going to get optimal performance from a game is to have a powerful rig with an up-to-date video card. Modern Warfare on a $300 rig is going to look inferior to the Xbox 360 or PS3 version, there's no way around it. You're not going to get something that looks as good as a console unless you're willing to invest at least $1000 in your system. Think of it this way-- car A (console) drives in a straight line. Car B (PC) swerves all over the place and is has a difficult time staying in the middle of the road. If they're both the same speed, car A will beat car B's lap time every time. In order for car B to match car A's time, it needs to be much faster to compensate for the fact that it can't take the direct path. That means a bigger engine, sturdier chassy, bigger gas tank, more expensive tires, i.e. the works. It's a more expensive and impressive machine, but the cheaper one is still quite competitive because it's able to to focus on one task-- driving in a straight line as best it can. For me, the real reason to invest in a powerful PC is to render stuff in Maya, Premiere, After Effects, and Toon Boom. If I just wanted to play games I could live without Starcraft 2 and Crysis and just stick to my PS3.
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#119 SparkyProtocol
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Consoles are a lazy alternative and I love them for it. :)
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#120 Vadamee
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Because the PC at one point was a console and vise versa... Atari first marketed a PC as being a gaming console... If you knew that, then you would know how incredibly naive you come off in making this thread. Consoles and PC have always had a convergence, so much so that one's demise would adversely effect the other. Its only pretentious gaming apologetics of each respective platform that try to form a distinction when in fact they have more in common than these pundits lead you to believe, especially in origin. When senators and politicians archetype gaming, they don't list a distinction between what makes a console gamer and a PC gamer; When Halo, Counter Strike, GTA gets blamed for some kid's atrocity, do you think they go out of their way to mention which platform the game is on? No, we are all gamers. This is why places like SW does nothing to help our cause, that gaming is not just some trivial pass time. You bi-partisan zealots are really no different than those senators who vilify gaming.
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#121 SparkyProtocol
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[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Consoles could die and no one would notice. Think about it we got cameras because they are good at taking pictures, video cameras because they are good at taking videos. On the other hand we got consoles for what? Everything a console can do a PC could do it 10 times better. Contrary to that a dedicated camera takes better pictures than a mobile phone. So what are consoles good for?

AncientDozer

I don't know about the whole "Everything a console can do a PC could do it 10 times better" part but some of us don't like using a keyboard to play a video game. Plus PCs don't get some of the really good games that consoles get.

Yeah. Keyboards, believe it or not, aren't very mobile. You can't lie on your back and use it very effectively and you can't move around it. I've yet to see a PC gamer get on his feet and walk across a room while still playing. . . I've even played a game while sitting on the toilet. . and dominated. Although, I'm sure there are better reasons for that mobility.

I hate to break it to you bro, but I PC game lying on my back a lot (like when I am playing an online FPS) and I can do it on the toilet but that is disgusting and pooping only takes a minute. I could PC game while walking too if I had some weird PC gaming suspender. That is stupid though just like gaming while pooping.
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#122 tontontam0
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consoles exist because

once upon a time pc cost to much

and is not really needed for everyday life so buying one just to play games is a waste of money

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#123 svenus97
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The purpose of consoles is gaming.

The purpose of PCs is not gaming. Why do gaming PCs exist?

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#124 pelvist
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The purpose of consoles is gaming.

The purpose of PCs is not gaming. Why do gaming PCs exist?

svenus97

Funny, I use my PC for gaming quite a lot, in fact I game on my PC more than on the consoles since PC does gaming better than any consoles does. Id say the purpose of my PC is for gaming as well as many other things that consoles cant do.

Consoles are there because parents buy them for their kids for christmas as a cheap alternative to a PC, kids spread the hype of their beloved console and more kids jump on board, like you did I guess...

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#125 icygangsta
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They exist for my pleasure.

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#126 topsemag55
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and keep drivers up to date.

Maddie_Larkin

Actually, if you read through the release notes for new drivers, you see improvements being tweaked by new code, such as better performance in benchmarks as well as game framerate, etc.

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#127 MK-Professor
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Why does PC gaming still exist I wonder? Today there isn't a notable difference like before in terms of power, even if you have the most powerful PC ever certain console games are damn close, and that also poses the problem of having the most powerful $2000 rig which would require constant upgrades to stay on top. Most PC's can't handle Crysis on max settings while every PS3 can handle Killzone 2 at its most powerful.

Plus there isn't as much incentive for devs to even make PC games unless it is a genre or well known series like the RTS game Starcraft II where the primary fanbase is on the PC. Without a specific company behind PC's like with consoles, you won't see the effort you see in the much higher console population. Just as well a variety of games like Fighters, platformers and racing games are just straight up more numerous and of better quality on consoles where people who enjoy those games can play them. Do PC's even have fighting games?

Finally, its not only way cheaper to experience the best gaming can offer on consoles, its also much more consumer friendly and offers features like splitscreen and console exclusives not available on the PC.

So tell me, with all these good things consoles have going for them why does PC gaming exist? Most companies like Valve and DICE are moving towards the console crowd and last I checked PC didn't have too many AAA titles lately other than Starcraft II.

SPYDER0416

In terms of power the differences are massive. Even an 8800GTX that is older than the ps3 produce better graphics (bigger resolution, more fps, better textures, etc.) in games. So with a $500 rig you can have better graphics than consoles and over all better experiences in games, and of course pc's can do many other things.

PC games have much better: shades, lighting, shadow(shadow-map, shadow
filtering), view distance, physics, geometric detail, parallax mapping, volumetric
stuff, ambient occlusion etc.

Also:

resolution (2.5X - 3.8X better than consoles)

PC
1920x1200 - 2304000 pixels

consoles
1280x720 - 921600 pixels
1024x600 - 614400 pixels

fps (2.5x better than consoles)

PC
60fps+

consoles
30-25fps

anti aliasing (2.0x better than consoles)

PC
4xAA 8xAA

consoles
0xAA 2xAA

texture resolution (8.0x better than consoles)

PC
2048x2048(or even 4096x4096) + anisotropic filtering 16xAF

consoles
512x512+ anisotropic filtering 0xAF




All this types of games that you mention are on pc as well…

Did you say that pc doesn't have many AAAE titles?

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0

(11/15/05 to current)

PC AAAe = 12, AAe = 79, Ae = 82
PS3AAAe = 8, AAe = 13, Ae = 16
360AAAe = 7, AAe = 14, Ae = 12

AAAe + AAe
PC = 91
PS3 = 21
360 = 21

This list doesn't include all the pc games because gamespot don't review all the pc games.
Also PC standards are higher, so a 8.0 on PC is a 9.0 on console.

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#128 flashn00b
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Knowing PC gaming's current condition, should i be surprised if Garry decides to announce a console version of Gmod?

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#129 ohthemanatee
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because you cant play pc gamres on a couch with friends while relaxingwashd123

actually yes you can

and you have to upgrade every two months just to be able to play games.washd123
No you don't

plus consoles are so significantly cheaper.

washd123

and PC games are significantly cheaper

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#130 adamosmaki
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because you cant play pc gamres on a couch with friends while relaxing, and you have to upgrade every two months just to be able to play games. plus consoles are so significantly cheaper.

in fact why does pc gaming still exist?

washd123
Dont forget the "i prefer gamepad for gaming" , Gaming PC costs $3000, Every pc game is buggy to the point you cant play, Pc has no games I think we covered the typical Fanboy answers why they prefer consoles
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#131 110million
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Some gamers need a stepping stone before they can reach PC gaming. :wink:
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#132 lowe0
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Some gamers need a stepping stone before they can reach PC gaming. :wink: 110million
I went from PC gaming to console gaming. Swing and a miss, champ.

Consoles are there because parents buy them for their kids for christmas as a cheap alternative to a PC, kids spread the hype of their beloved console and more kids jump on board, like you did I guess...

pelvist
Ah, the old "consoles are for kids" argument. Funny, my parents were buying me PC hardware when I was a kid; as an adult, I'm buying consoles. Swing and a miss, champ.

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#133 mo0ksi
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[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Don't you know? Console are the future of gaming.subrosian
Unlikely. Handhelds are representing a larger and large portion of mainstream gaming. We may see some kind of divergence between the "man cave" of PC / console gaming and the world of gaming on mobiles. It's uncertain, our homes are sort of the "movie theaters" of the big budget games (Halo Reach, Black Ops, Starcraft 2, etc) while our handhelds are seeing more and more of games that would have been on consoles a generation or two ago. Stuff like Starfox, Mario and even Metal Gear are becoming the fare of handheld gaming mixed with "15 minute" apps and social games like Farmville. So we'll see. It's going to be interesting.

I was kidding, but an interesting theory regardless :P
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#134 Braindropping
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consoles exist to take PC exclusive and down grade and make pc fanboy rage lol J/K
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#135 muscleserge
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Consoles will go away, PCs will replace them, as well as DVRs, dedicated disc players and even cable boxes. It makes much more sense that one machine that can already do these things should do them, why the need for a bunch of dedicated devices where an all in one device would be better and cheaper and even all at the same time. I would give consoles an gen or two more, until the next windows os.
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Consoles will go away, PCs will replace them, as well as DVRs, dedicated disc players and even cable boxes. It makes much more sense that one machine that can already do these things should do them, why the need for a bunch of dedicated devices where an all in one device would be better and cheaper and even all at the same time. I would give consoles an gen or two more, until the next windows os.muscleserge

Consoles will never go away. Not as long as companies like Nintendo and Sony are around.

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#137 dontshackzmii
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because pc gaming is lame. who wants to sit at a desk uses a tiny minitor?

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Consoles could die and no one would notice. Think about it we got cameras because they are good at taking pictures, video cameras because they are good at taking videos. On the other hand we got consoles for what? Everything a console can do a PC could do it 10 times better. Contrary to that a dedicated camera takes better pictures than a mobile phone. So what are consoles good for?

MK-Professor

This topic contains hermits complaining that they are superior and may contain strong fanboyism of the consolite and hermit variety.

i would miss them purely cause i like my gaming simple in the state of plugging into my telly loading up and popping in the disk and away you go.I would miss the utter simplicity of something like a console.

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#139 Arach666
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because pc gaming is lame. who wants to sit at a desk uses a tiny minitor?

dontshackzmii
Apparently millions of people.
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#140 Mograine
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because pc gaming is lame. who wants to sit at a desk uses a tiny minitor?

dontshackzmii

Hurr durr.

You are, apparently.

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#141 Arach666
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[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Consoles will go away, PCs will replace them, as well as DVRs, dedicated disc players and even cable boxes. It makes much more sense that one machine that can already do these things should do them, why the need for a bunch of dedicated devices where an all in one device would be better and cheaper and even all at the same time. I would give consoles an gen or two more, until the next windows os.Demonjoe93

Consoles will never go away. Not as long as companies like Nintendo and Sony are around.

I´m sure lots of people thougth the same with SEGA and Atari,and look where they are now.;)

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#142 clone01
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

The Real Question is Why don't Arcades exist anymore?

siLVURcross

Arcade scene is still big in Japan.

Also there's a pretty big arcade place near where I live, I'm not sure how updated it is but last I heard, it had games like SFIV and stuff.

yeah, there's always places like dave and buster's (at least in the states). they have a lot of those "prop" games (you know, like the ones where you get in a "cockpit" or on a mock motorcycle.
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#143 clone01
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[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Consoles will go away, PCs will replace them, as well as DVRs, dedicated disc players and even cable boxes. It makes much more sense that one machine that can already do these things should do them, why the need for a bunch of dedicated devices where an all in one device would be better and cheaper and even all at the same time. I would give consoles an gen or two more, until the next windows os.Arach666

Consoles will never go away. Not as long as companies like Nintendo and Sony are around.

I´m sure lots of people thougth the same with SEGA and Atari,and look where they are now.;)

i think consoles are a riskier initial investment. but although many consoles have gone under, there have always been companies that are successful with them. as long as that potential exists, consoles will be around.
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#144 Demonjoe93
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[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Consoles will go away, PCs will replace them, as well as DVRs, dedicated disc players and even cable boxes. It makes much more sense that one machine that can already do these things should do them, why the need for a bunch of dedicated devices where an all in one device would be better and cheaper and even all at the same time. I would give consoles an gen or two more, until the next windows os.Arach666

Consoles will never go away. Not as long as companies like Nintendo and Sony are around.

I´m sure lots of people thougth the same with SEGA and Atari,and look where they are now.;)

Atari and Sega made bad business decisions. Atari pushed the release of the ET video game which caused the Gaming Crash of 1983 and a couple years later they stopped making consoles.

Sega released the Dreamcast earlier then they should have,and got destroyed later by the Playstation 2.

I don't see a company like Nintendo, which brought back the home console industry after the Gaming Crash of 1983, making the same stupid decisions.

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[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Consoles could die and no one would notice. Think about it we got cameras because they are good at taking pictures, video cameras because they are good at taking videos. On the other hand we got consoles for what? Everything a console can do a PC could do it 10 times better. Contrary to that a dedicated camera takes better pictures than a mobile phone. So what are consoles good for?

Timstuff

It is costing my brother almost $2000 to build a "gamer" PC. Yeah you can pull it off for cheaper, but it's not going to be that great. With consoles you get maximum bang for your buck. $300 for the best experience on a console, or $1800 for the best experience on a PC. And on top of that, most people don't want to build their own computers so the price is doubled due to the manufacturing fees. Consoles are not going away. PC gaming is actually in decline (unless you could MMOs and casual games, which have low spec requirements anyway), so I have a feeling that you are just jealous about consoles "stealing" success that you believe the PC deserves more. Well boo hoo, get over it.

If its costing your brother 2K then he doesnot know what he is doing. And yes you can do it cheaper and still get the same results. Consoles you do not get the best bang for your buck especially the 360 plus to the fact that they are using old 2004/5 Pc tech. And you do not need a 1K Pc to get best experience. My $800 from 2007 is still playing games on high or maxed out . And if people dont want to build their own Pc's, thats fine I bet they know someone who does, or can have Bestbuy to add a gpu into a prebuilt for you for $50, or there are options from the net ranging from Newegg too ibuypower Pc's. Pc gaming is as hard or easy and expensive or cheap as you make it out to be.

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[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Consoles could die and no one would notice. Think about it we got cameras because they are good at taking pictures, video cameras because they are good at taking videos. On the other hand we got consoles for what? Everything a console can do a PC could do it 10 times better. Contrary to that a dedicated camera takes better pictures than a mobile phone. So what are consoles good for?

Timstuff
It is costing my brother almost $2000 to build a "gamer" PC. Yeah you can pull it off for cheaper, but it's not going to be that great. With consoles you get maximum bang for your buck. $300 for the best experience on a console, or $1800 for the best experience on a PC. And on top of that, most people don't want to build their own computers so the price is doubled due to the manufacturing fees. Consoles are not going away. PC gaming is actually in decline (unless you could MMOs and casual games, which have low spec requirements anyway), so I have a feeling that you are just jealous about consoles "stealing" success that you believe the PC deserves more. Well boo hoo, get over it.

Yeah, and that "gamer" pc will do stuff the ps3, and 360 will never do. The ps3's modo of "it only does everything" is just a marketing gimmick. The pc can truly do everything. It may be more expensive as far as the initial investment goes, but actually, if you have a very expensive machine with monster specs, that machine could likely last for 5, 6, or 7 years with only the need for a graphics card upgrade. These days, you can get a very good card $200.00 or less. I went from being a ps3 gamer to being a pc gamer because of how versatile they are. I'll likely only need to upgrade my gpu in the next year or two to keep up with the latest games. Honestly, if console gamers would take the time and save the money for a good gaming pc, it can be much more rewarding then they realize.
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#147 04dcarraher
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Warrior we must be on the same page :P
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#148 psx_warrior
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Consoles could die and no one would notice. Think about it we got cameras because they are good at taking pictures, video cameras because they are good at taking videos. On the other hand we got consoles for what? Everything a console can do a PC could do it 10 times better. Contrary to that a dedicated camera takes better pictures than a mobile phone. So what are consoles good for?

It is costing my brother almost $2000 to build a "gamer" PC. Yeah you can pull it off for cheaper, but it's not going to be that great. With consoles you get maximum bang for your buck. $300 for the best experience on a console, or $1800 for the best experience on a PC. And on top of that, most people don't want to build their own computers so the price is doubled due to the manufacturing fees. Consoles are not going away. PC gaming is actually in decline (unless you could MMOs and casual games, which have low spec requirements anyway), so I have a feeling that you are just jealous about consoles "stealing" success that you believe the PC deserves more. Well boo hoo, get over it.

If its costing your brother 2K then he doesnot know what he is doing. And yes you can do it cheaper and still get the same results. Consoles you do not get the best bang for your buck especially the 360 plus to the fact that they are using old 2004/5 Pc tech. And you do not need a 1K Pc to get best experience. My $800 from 2007 is still playing games on high or maxed out . And if people dont want to build their own Pc's, thats fine I bet they know someone who does, or can have Bestbuy to add a gpu into a prebuilt for you for $50, or there are options from the net ranging from Newegg too ibuypower Pc's. Pc gaming is as hard or esay and expensive or cheap as you make it out to be.

Mine was built at Best Buy. The only regret I have is that I didn't take into account cooling at the time. My 512 mb 4850 is running way to hot, and cuts the machine off during hard Crysis gaming sessions. I'll likely have a new gpu and better fan put in, but the rest of the hardware is good for another two or three years at least.
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#149 psx_warrior
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Warrior we must be on the same page :P04dcarraher
Sure looks like it.
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#150 Sandvichman
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Tc, why d you exist. There are probably people who arer better then you in every way, so why are still existing.

Why have you yet to commit suicide, when there is no real point for you to live whe we don't need you.

How well does that logic work, not alot.

(no mods, im not telling him to kill himself.