Why do consoles exist?

Yeah, and that "gamer" pc will do stuff the ps3, and 360 will never do. The ps3's modo of "it only does everything" is just a marketing gimmick. The pc can truly do everything. It may be more expensive as far as the initial investment goes, but actually, if you have a very expensive machine with monster specs, that machine could likely last for 5, 6, or 7 years with only the need for a graphics card upgrade. These days, you can get a very good card $200.00 or less. I went from being a ps3 gamer to being a pc gamer because of how versatile they are. I'll likely only need to upgrade my gpu in the next year or two to keep up with the latest games. Honestly, if console gamers would take the time and save the money for a good gaming pc, it can be much more rewarding then they realize.psx_warrior

1. plug and play ease of use: alas, this is becoming less of an advantage with console patches, updates, dlc, mandatory HDD installs, etc. still, it is nice to be able to put the disc in the slot and play.

2. pure game preference: i know the pc has stellar titles. however, i've always preferred the console exclusives. again, that's just my preference.

3. friends: every single one of my friends games on XBL. sorry, but i prefer gaming with friends, not strangers.

4. work: i spend every day of work on either a mac or pc. 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week. sometimes more. aside from using the internet, the last thing i want to do when i get home is get on a PC. again, these are just personal preferences, but perhaps it might shed some light on some of the reasons gamers prefer consoles.

because pc gaming is lame. who wants to sit at a desk uses a tiny minitor?

dontshackzmii

You need to realize that pc gamers have bigger monitors than consol gamers, because the size depends on the distance the monitor is away from the user.

(Case 1) 26-inche monitor is 30 inches away from user.
(Case 2) 40-inche monitor is 100 inches away from user.

The user in (Case 1) have a bigger monitor than the user in (Case 2), simply because is closer to the monitor.

[QUOTE="psx_warrior"]Yeah, and that "gamer" pc will do stuff the ps3, and 360 will never do. The ps3's modo of "it only does everything" is just a marketing gimmick. The pc can truly do everything. It may be more expensive as far as the initial investment goes, but actually, if you have a very expensive machine with monster specs, that machine could likely last for 5, 6, or 7 years with only the need for a graphics card upgrade. These days, you can get a very good card $200.00 or less. I went from being a ps3 gamer to being a pc gamer because of how versatile they are. I'll likely only need to upgrade my gpu in the next year or two to keep up with the latest games. Honestly, if console gamers would take the time and save the money for a good gaming pc, it can be much more rewarding then they realize.clone01

Consoles will go away, PCs will replace them, as well as DVRs, dedicated disc players and even cable boxes. It makes much more sense that one machine that can already do these things should do them, why the need for a bunch of dedicated devices where an all in one device would be better and cheaper and even all at the same time. I would give consoles an gen or two more, until the next windows os.muscleserge

2. pure game preference: i know the pc has stellar titles. however, i've always preferred the console exclusives. again, that's just my preference.

3. friends: every single one of my friends games on XBL. sorry, but i prefer gaming with friends, not strangers.

clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"]2. pure game preference: i know the pc has stellar titles. however, i've always preferred the console exclusives. again, that's just my preference.

3. friends: every single one of my friends games on XBL. sorry, but i prefer gaming with friends, not strangers.

SamiRDuran

Doesn't matter if PC could do all these exclusives since they're never gonna get most of them. We're never gonna see Mario or Little Big Planet on the PC as long as consoles are around. Also, while almost everyone owns a PC, not everyone uses them for gaming.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Why does PC gaming still exist I wonder? Today there isn't a notable difference like before in terms of power, even if you have the most powerful PC ever certain console games are damn close, and that also poses the problem of having the most powerful $2000 rig which would require constant upgrades to stay on top. Most PC's can't handle Crysis on max settings while every PS3 can handle Killzone 2 at its most powerful.

Plus there isn't as much incentive for devs to even make PC games unless it is a genre or well known series like the RTS game Starcraft II where the primary fanbase is on the PC. Without a specific company behind PC's like with consoles, you won't see the effort you see in the much higher console population. Just as well a variety of games like Fighters, platformers and racing games are just straight up more numerous and of better quality on consoles where people who enjoy those games can play them. Do PC's even have fighting games?

Finally, its not only way cheaper to experience the best gaming can offer on consoles, its also much more consumer friendly and offers features like splitscreen and console exclusives not available on the PC.

So tell me, with all these good things consoles have going for them why does PC gaming exist? Most companies like Valve and DICE are moving towards the console crowd and last I checked PC didn't have too many AAA titles lately other than Starcraft II.

MK-Professor

In terms of power the differences are massive. Even an 8800GTX that is older than the ps3 produce better graphics (bigger resolution, more fps, better textures, etc.) in games. So with a $500 rig you can have better graphics than consoles and over all better experiences in games, and of course pc's can do many other things.

PC games have much better: shades, lighting, shadow(shadow-map, shadow
filtering), view distance, physics, geometric detail, parallax mapping, volumetric
stuff, ambient occlusion etc.

Also:

resolution (2.5X - 3.8X better than consoles)

PC
1920x1200 - 2304000 pixels

consoles
1280x720 - 921600 pixels
1024x600 - 614400 pixels

fps (2.5x better than consoles)

PC
60fps+

consoles
30-25fps

anti aliasing (2.0x better than consoles)

PC
4xAA 8xAA

consoles
0xAA 2xAA

texture resolution (8.0x better than consoles)

PC
2048x2048(or even 4096x4096) + anisotropic filtering 16xAF

consoles
512x512+ anisotropic filtering 0xAF

All this types of games that you mention are on pc as well…

Did you say that pc doesn't have many AAAE titles?

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0

(11/15/05 to current)

PC AAAe = 12, AAe = 79, Ae = 82
PS3AAAe = 8, AAe = 13, Ae = 16
360AAAe = 7, AAe = 14, Ae = 12

AAAe + AAe
PC = 91
PS3 = 21
360 = 21

This list doesn't include all the pc games because gamespot don't review all the pc games.
Also PC standards are higher, so a 8.0 on PC is a 9.0 on console.

No $500 Rig can max games for a very long time without upgrading one of its component. And then again any technical superiority that PC's hold over consoles doesn't matter to a casual gamer. Only people in this Forum are being pedantic when it comes to textures and resolution.

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Consoles will go away, PCs will replace them, as well as DVRs, dedicated disc players and even cable boxes. It makes much more sense that one machine that can already do these things should do them, why the need for a bunch of dedicated devices where an all in one device would be better and cheaper and even all at the same time. I would give consoles an gen or two more, until the next windows os.Arach666

Consoles will never go away. Not as long as companies like Nintendo and Sony are around.

Why are hermits demanding reasons for owning a console?

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

Consoles will never go away. Not as long as companies like Nintendo and Sony are around.

Timstuff

They are mostly multiplat devs now,but even then SEGA does have exclusive PC franchises like the Total War series or Football Manager,while Atari published in this gen PC exclusives like The Witcher or Neverwinter Nigths 2,among others.

Other than that,they are multiplat devs.

because PC's are too complicated and thats the truth. People just wanna pop in a game and play, not adjust settings, update drivers, etc. Pc gaming is a last place outfit.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

Consoles will never go away. Not as long as companies like Nintendo and Sony are around.

Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="Arach666"] I´m sure lots of people thougth the same with SEGA and Atari,and look where they are now.;)

psx_warrior

You nailed it.

Why are hermits demanding reasons for owning a console?

Sandvichman

This, THIS is what should have been asked from the very beginning? What is it about a faction of PC gamers that makes them feel its some kind of crusade to convert console gamers to their ideology??

Consoles will go away, PCs will replace themmuscleserge

are you serious?

more like "pc gaming wil eventuallyl go away, becayse it's losing most of it's exclusives because consoles are getting popular every year"

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Why are hermits demanding reasons for owning a console?

AdobeArtist

This, THIS is what should have been asked from the very beginning? What is it about a faction of PC gamers that makes them feel its some kind of crusade to convert console gamers to their ideology??

Fanboyism???

Yeah, this thread can't be serious...

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="Arach666"] I´m sure lots of people thougth the same with SEGA and Atari,and look where they are now.;)

psx_warrior

Yeah, this thread can't be serious...

mitu123

people are too stupid/lazy/cheap to dedicate any brain process or money to putting together a decent pc. thus, consoles exist.paullywog

Great. Another 'PC gamers are the superior master species' post. Ironic that in how they try to present themselves as so much more advanced and sophisticated then console gamers, they actually prove just the opposite.

because PC's are too complicated and thats the truth. People just wanna pop in a game and play, not adjust settings, update drivers, etc. Pc gaming is a last place outfit.

ProjectNatalFan

people are too stupid/lazy/cheap to dedicate any brain process or money to putting together a decent pc. thus, consoles exist.paullywog

[QUOTE="paullywog"]people are too stupid/lazy/cheap to dedicate any brain process or money to putting together a decent pc. thus, consoles exist.lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="paullywog"]people are too stupid/lazy/cheap to dedicate any brain process or money to putting together a decent pc. thus, consoles exist.Timstuff

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Consoles will go away, PCs will replace themsuccessful19

are you serious?

more like "pc gaming wil eventuallyl go away, becayse it's losing most of it's exclusives because consoles are getting popular every year"

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

Consoles will never go away. Not as long as companies like Nintendo and Sony are around.

Timstuff

Do you have any links that core gamers prefer consoles?

Find something similar to ARMA 2, Blackshark, Sins of a solar empire, Anno 1404, Empire total War or X3 terran conflict on consoles

As for Valve always was making console games ( BTW orange box was on PS3 as well so is that a surprise ?). You also think Valve focus more on consoles or PC's?

It has the biggest DD service by far with 25 million users at the start of 2010 and even before going on MAC so where do you think it focus more ( just look the updates valve releases on Pc and the ones on consoles )

As for Epic 1 company leaves 2 come on PC ( GSC and CD projekt for instance are some great examples )

Also PC is the only platform that video games saw a growth in 2009

13.1 billion revenue in 2009 ( if i remember correctly due to the crisis and all console sales shrank )

people are too stupid/lazy/cheap to dedicate any brain process or money to putting together a decent pc. thus, consoles exist.paullywog

I see we got ourselves and elitist right here.

Also PC is the only platform that video games saw a growth in 2009

13.1 billion revenue in 2009adamosmaki

Pretty much.

Why are hermits demanding reasons for owning a console?

Sandvichman

For the same reason they consider you lazy if you're not willing to reconfigure your living room and build your own pc to replicate a console experience at a console price.

It's actually quite plainly obvious. For most people who can't afford or don't want an expensive PC to do satisafy their entertainment needs, a console is a cheap and simple solution. Most people would take a console if they're there, but if they weren't they'd forget about gaming altogether.

In other words its either game or no game. If consoles didn't exist, a load of my mates wouldn't bother with gaming at all, they'd have no interest in PC gaming in the slightest.

And consoles provide a more sociable gaming experience as one gentleman already mentioned.

balfe1990

so If I take every console from the begining, and compare it just to pc gaming, I can summise these facts.

1.PC gaming allways outscores console gaming *false*

2.PC gaming makes more money then console gaming *false*

3.In terms of good games, pc gaming has more of them on average. *false*

4.Pc gaming is cheap. *false*

5.PC gaming is easy for the general consumer. *false*

6.I can sit on a couch with friends and game easily. *false*

As I can see all of it is false, PC gaming is in the past, and Was far outstripped in terms of scoring preformance, average of good games, cost to use, ease of use...ect long ago.
PC gaming is old hat, its a far more expensive hobby then console gaming, its a far more involved and ease of use is questionable for the general consumer, specially when all they wanna do is sit down, put a disc in, play.

Now dont get me wrong PC gaming has its place, but its a niche simple as that, dedicated PC gamers make up an extremely small part of PC commuinity.

No $500 Rig can max games for a very long time without upgrading one of its component. And then again any technical superiority that PC's hold over consoles doesn't matter to a casual gamer. Only people in this Forum are being pedantic when it comes to textures and resolution.

NerubianWeaver

Who said that $500 Rig could max games? What I said is that a $500 Rig can play multiplats with better graphics than consoles.

so If I take every console from the begining, and compare it just to pc gaming, I can summise these facts.

1.PC gaming allways outscores console gaming *false*

2.PC gaming makes more money then console gaming *false*

3.In terms of good games, pc gaming has more of them on average. *false*

4.Pc gaming is cheap. *false*

5.PC gaming is easy for the general consumer. *false*

6.I can sit on a couch with friends and game easily. *false*

As I can see all of it is false, PC gaming is in the past, and Was far outstripped in terms of scoring preformance, average of good games, cost to use, ease of use...ect long ago.
PC gaming is old hat, its a far more expensive hobby then console gaming, its a far more involved and ease of use is questionable for the general consumer, specially when all they wanna do is sit down, put a disc in, play.

Now dont get me wrong PC gaming has its place, but its a niche simple as that, dedicated PC gamers make up an extremely small part of PC commuinity.

WilliamRLBaker

2. Your false, Pc gaming includes games, software, and hardware bought to game, and with DD and Pc games not having to pay the owner a % Pc games make more profit per copy then console copy.

3. Thats an opinion, but Pc has more games then all current consoles combined.

4. Pc gaming can be very cheap because of STEAM deals etc, and just upgrading the family Pc can make a big difference.

5. With Vista and Windows 7 using a Pc has gotten alot easier,

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

No $500 Rig can max games for a very long time without upgrading one of its component. And then again any technical superiority that PC's hold over consoles doesn't matter to a casual gamer. Only people in this Forum are being pedantic when it comes to textures and resolution.

MK-Professor

Who said that $500 Rig could max games? What I said is that a $500 Rig can play multiplats with better graphics than consoles.

Can a $500 rig play games graphically like Uncharted 2? And even running games like Metro, Just cause 2 at medium will stutter. It's advisable to upgrade in that current situation.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

so If I take every console from the begining, and compare it just to pc gaming, I can summise these facts.

1.PC gaming allways outscores console gaming *false*

2.PC gaming makes more money then console gaming *false*

3.In terms of good games, pc gaming has more of them on average. *false*

4.Pc gaming is cheap. *false*

5.PC gaming is easy for the general consumer. *false*

6.I can sit on a couch with friends and game easily. *false*

As I can see all of it is false, PC gaming is in the past, and Was far outstripped in terms of scoring preformance, average of good games, cost to use, ease of use...ect long ago.
PC gaming is old hat, its a far more expensive hobby then console gaming, its a far more involved and ease of use is questionable for the general consumer, specially when all they wanna do is sit down, put a disc in, play.

Now dont get me wrong PC gaming has its place, but its a niche simple as that, dedicated PC gamers make up an extremely small part of PC commuinity.

04dcarraher

2. Your false, Pc gaming includes games, software, and hardware bought to game, and with DD and Pc games not having to pay the owner a % Pc games make more profit per copy then console copy.

3. Thats an opinion, but Pc has more games then all current consoles combined.

4. Pc gaming can be very cheap because of STEAM deals etc, and just upgrading the family Pc can make a big difference.

5. With Vista and Windows 7 using a Pc has gotten alot easier,

4) You have to spend $500-800 or even more just to buy a Gaming PC. It's not cheap, it's still expensive than consoles. Besides you have to upgrade it just to play latest games at a playable framerate. The initial investment on PC is very expensive, average consumers can't suddenly withdraw $600-1000 just to buy a PC. While the prices of the consoles are less than $500.

5) It's not easy. You have to build a PC which an average consumer won't do just to play games. They just want to play games by inserting disc then play. And if you recommend buying a prebuilt; it's 2-3x more expensive than consoles. Consoles are still much more convenient than PC

So gaming companies can pursuade gamers to buy one system or the other with exclusive games, in hopes of making money.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

No $500 Rig can max games for a very long time without upgrading one of its component. And then again any technical superiority that PC's hold over consoles doesn't matter to a casual gamer. Only people in this Forum are being pedantic when it comes to textures and resolution.

NerubianWeaver

Who said that $500 Rig could max games? What I said is that a $500 Rig can play multiplats with better graphics than consoles.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

so If I take every console from the begining, and compare it just to pc gaming, I can summise these facts.

1.PC gaming allways outscores console gaming *false*

2.PC gaming makes more money then console gaming *false*

3.In terms of good games, pc gaming has more of them on average. *false*

4.Pc gaming is cheap. *false*

5.PC gaming is easy for the general consumer. *false*

6.I can sit on a couch with friends and game easily. *false*

As I can see all of it is false, PC gaming is in the past, and Was far outstripped in terms of scoring preformance, average of good games, cost to use, ease of use...ect long ago.
PC gaming is old hat, its a far more expensive hobby then console gaming, its a far more involved and ease of use is questionable for the general consumer, specially when all they wanna do is sit down, put a disc in, play.

Now dont get me wrong PC gaming has its place, but its a niche simple as that, dedicated PC gamers make up an extremely small part of PC commuinity.

NerubianWeaver

2. Your false, Pc gaming includes games, software, and hardware bought to game, and with DD and Pc games not having to pay the owner a % Pc games make more profit per copy then console copy.

3. Thats an opinion, but Pc has more games then all current consoles combined.

4. Pc gaming can be very cheap because of STEAM deals etc, and just upgrading the family Pc can make a big difference.

5. With Vista and Windows 7 using a Pc has gotten alot easier,

4) You have to spend $500-800 or even more just to buy a Gaming PC. It's not cheap, it's still expensive than consoles. Besides you have to upgrade it just to play latest games at a playable framerate. The initial investment on PC is very expensive, average consumers can't suddenly withdraw $600-1000 just to buy a PC. While the prices of the consoles are less than $500.

5) It's not easy. You have to build a PC which an average consumer won't do just to play games. They just want to play games by inserting disc then play. And if you recommend buying a prebuilt; it's 2-3x more expensive than consoles. Consoles are still much more convenient than PC

Wrong, you do not need to buy a "gaming Pc" to game, If you or your family has bought a Pc in the last 3 years chances are you only need to spend $60 to turn that family/multimedia Pc into a gaming Pc that can out do the consoles. Also its as easy as you make it with Pc gaming, theirs a program called STEAM which does everything for you and you dont even have to have a disc or go the store to buy a game. So are consoles that more convenient ? It all depends on how you think.

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Who said that $500 Rig could max games? What I said is that a $500 Rig can play multiplats with better graphics than consoles.

Arach666

It might play all of the games, but very few of the new games will not play on high or even medium settings. And i doubt that rig will last more than 6 months

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

2. Your false, Pc gaming includes games, software, and hardware bought to game, and with DD and Pc games not having to pay the owner a % Pc games make more profit per copy then console copy.

3. Thats an opinion, but Pc has more games then all current consoles combined.

4. Pc gaming can be very cheap because of STEAM deals etc, and just upgrading the family Pc can make a big difference.

5. With Vista and Windows 7 using a Pc has gotten alot easier,

04dcarraher

4) You have to spend $500-800 or even more just to buy a Gaming PC. It's not cheap, it's still expensive than consoles. Besides you have to upgrade it just to play latest games at a playable framerate. The initial investment on PC is very expensive, average consumers can't suddenly withdraw $600-1000 just to buy a PC. While the prices of the consoles are less than $500.

5) It's not easy. You have to build a PC which an average consumer won't do just to play games. They just want to play games by inserting disc then play. And if you recommend buying a prebuilt; it's 2-3x more expensive than consoles. Consoles are still much more convenient than PC

Wrong, you do not need to buy a "gaming Pc" to game, If you or your family has bought a Pc in the last 3 years chances are you only need to spend $60 to turn that family/multimedia Pc into a gaming Pc that can out do the consoles. Also its as easy as you make it with Pc gaming, theirs a program called STEAM which does everything for you and you dont even have to have a disc or go the store to buy a game. So are consoles that more convenient ? It all depends on how you think.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"] Can a $500 rig play games graphically like Uncharted 2?NerubianWeaver

It might play all of the games, but very few of the new games will not play on high or even medium settings. And i doubt that rig will last more than 6 months

As far as multiplats go,it will play at a similar quality of the consoles and generally better.

And no,it would hold a lot more than 6 months. Just to put you in perspective,I bougth my rig over a year ago and it can still hold it´s own maxing everything that comes out now and will play most games on high for at least the next two years.

And even when the time comes when I no longer can max out most games,I will still get better performance and visuals on multiplats compared to their console counterparts.

nintendo?surrealnumber5

They're pretty much the only console producer out there right now where the PC doesn't get the same games as them.