Why do Gamers whine so much about progressive themes on games?

Whenever a game has a LGBT or feminist character or deals with the likes of racism, the gaming community whine a lot, is like they fear these themes.

Why so much insecurity? Isn't gaming a media like any other that does expose real life facts and should criticize society(Bioshock comes to mind)?

Could you provide examples? My best guess would be due to poor portrayals. Just because you focus on them, doesn't mean you focus correctly.

We don’t hate those themes. We hate when reviewers overrate games because of the themes. “Gone Home” is the perfect example of game journalists overrating a terrible game with 10/10 scores across the board simply because of the story.

We had no problem with Mass Effect 1-3 having gay/lesbian characters. We praised it. But with Andromeda reviewers seem to only focus on it.

We also hate when games get docked points like GTAV and bayonetta because the reviewer “got offended”.

That kinda garbage should not be in game reviews. Review the game for what it is. Not bashing it because there was no black characters in Witcher 3. And yes, some idiot actually complained about that.

Because I hear about this shit 24/7 from everywhere else. I don't need fucking political bullshit in my games.

We get it! Really! People need to be treated equal and I fully support that. Just shut the **** up about it for Christ's sake!

I don’t whine and complain about it myself. *shrug*

@stuff238: Dude, there was a ton of butt-hurt over Kaiden flirting with male Shep.

People complain when the topic is forced in versus naturally developed.

For example, if the game has a female role and the gameplay elements are unisexual, no one cares. BUT if the game's gameplay elements are altered or developed up because the game NEEDS a female role, that is when people complain.


Essentially, people just want people to be treated equally. Having a special status because you are "different" is what pisses people off.

When they are done well I have no problem with those themes. But most of the time they are handled in very agressive and conceited way which is typical in the current political climat.

They also feel very forced in some cases. Look at Kingdom Come for example where the devs got shit (Even from the media) for not going with the flow even when it did not fit into their game.

As above, it's fine to have these themes in games. It's when it has been shoe horned in or obviously forced / doesn't fit the setting.

It would be like putting a huge furry element into Ready Player 1 because that's how the internet is. It would just be annoying.

TEN-FOOT POLES! GET YOUR TEN-FOOT POLES HERE!

There was a lot of butthurt about having romance scenes in general regardless or orientation and leanings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_(video_game)#Controversy

@Telekill: your cancerous behavior is exactly on point about my thread, thanks for serving as an example.

@calvincfb: Oh **** off.

There really should be a test before anyone is allowed on the internet.

"Your skin must be at least this thick before entering"

@Telekill: thank you, you're being a really good material.

Good lord, imagine if Beyond Good and Evil was a 2015-onward game rather than 2003. It would be called "Michel Ancel's cucked clone of what Miyamoto and Kojima already did"

After Wolfenstein II and Far Cry 5's BS over it's themes around ANOTHER topic considered "cucked", don't even give me that.

Also, people bitched about it with ME3, but only in small doses because GamerGate wasn't even a thing and the bigger insult was, of course, the ENDING!

Though I do agree that BS like Polygon's Bayonetta 2 review because of Arthur Gies' hatred of sexy characters overlooking the most important aspect of the game: GAMEPLAY.

@calvincfb: Yeah, and you're a perfect example of a snowflake. Go sniff a condom, eat a tide pod or whatever the hell you're into.

@Telekill: hahahaha you made me laugh. So much insecurity.

Gamers = People

And people are assholes

@calvincfb: Oh look... a canned response to try and shame me in front of people I don't know.

Get some originality.

Why do certain groups of fans bitch anytime a game doesn’t cater to those mentioned themes? Go to your rally and march for whatever it is you believe in. I don’t need your shit in my entertainment. Need me to sign a petition or donate to a charity? Sign me up. But don’t knock Mario Kart because you don’t like Peach’s stats or question where all the African American characters in the Mario universe are. (They got pulled over, duh)

That shit is just dumb. Games are an escape form the dumb shit in the world, not an extension of them. I’m sure Naughty Dog has a movie game in the works that you’ll love though.

It's not all gamers. Remember Trump got elected President, so it means there is a large portion of people are racist, homophobic, sexists and xenophobes.

They get angry at anything that isn't straight, white, male and christian. So when they see it in games, it triggers them and makes them angry.

@goldenelementxl: what are you even talking about? There's never been complaining when games don't have progressive themes, don't try to distort real world facts, please.

@Telekill: I wasn't trying to be original, you know? I was just seeing through you. ;)

@needhealing: true, as demonstrated by @Telekill and @GoldenElementalXL that got triggered by my thread.

Funny I didn't even needed to do any research, the whiners came on their on.

I'll give you a problem with what's wrong with SJW crap forced into a game. Take Assassin's Creed Origins. *SPOILERS AHEAD* Now, overall, its a great game. I have no problem with games that have strong female characters. And Aya is definitely tough, smart, self-reliant, everything feminists would want in a character. And I certainly don't mind parts of a game where you play as this supporting character to mix it up and develop their story a little better. But that's just it - supporting character. Not lead, not focus. At the end of the game, suddenly SHE takes front and center, SHE takes the ultimate revenge for her and Bayek's child, which is of course means SHE makes the biggest assassination of the game at the end. Then SHE takes charge of starting the Assassins, SHE breaks the fourth wall and looks at the camera, tells us her new name, and she just becomes the most important figure of the game - at the very end. Huh? I just played hours upon hours as Bayek, journeyed with him all over Egypt, felt the pain of his loss over his son every step of the way, pulled off insane feats, really bonded with this character, and the end of the game is going to focus on the supporting female like he's nobody? To me, the devs chickened out of making this game all about yet another dude, lest they face the feminists' wrath. This seemed to be the compromise, the appeasement, and its beyond forced.

Imagine if it were Tomb Raider. You just played the entire game as Lara Croft, then suddenly at the end of the game, the supporting male character takes front and center of the story's resolution, and he looks at the camera and says, "I'm Dan Smith. Tomb Raider. And this has been my story." And then the credits roll. Oh the uproar.

Yeah, prior to Trump they would just shut up and keep the hate to themselves and their families. But now, he's awoken their hatred. Gave them a voice. Luckily, we have 2 more years and we'll go back to a less hateful period.

I find it funny how the first guy talked about Gone Home getting 10/10, because of the themes. I mean, so what if critics found it amazing that the LGBTT community had their very own game - it's critics opinion but to be triggered by that? LOL. Okay. Just don't play the game?

@calvincfb: Anytime you play as a white, straight male, an attractive female that shows any sort of sexuality, a minority character that has an any ethnic characteristics or anyone with muscles, a certain demographic bitches about “male power fantasies” or games being pervy or racist. Don’t act like this isn’t the case. I can provide threads, articles and videos to prove my point.

I’m a GAF and resetera member. It sounds like you should be there, not here.

@calvincfb: Im a black man with mixed race children, many lgbtq friends/family members, am a military vet, registered Independent, didn’t vote for Trump, etc. You may want to shut the hell up before you have to put your foot in your mouth.

Lol, the whole "many lgbtq friends". Maybe if they were your friends, you wouldn't have an issue with them getting their very own videogame like Gone Home. I mean, why does it bother you?

Both sides are dumb.

One complains that there are not enough women or whatever.

The other complains that there is a woman or whatever.

Both whiny idiots.

Sad part is. That would get more defense compared to what people call the current "SJW Raider trilogy".

@needhealing: Who said it bothered me? Who said I didn’t play or like Gone Home? I’m asking why video games “need” these things. As a minority I don’t require minorities as leads in COD or whatever. I also don’t get offended by black hairstyle choices in create a character options in games. That’s not why I go to games as a hobby

As far as the “many lgbtq” friends claim, I know who my friends and family are and have nothing to prove here. I was involved in music and theatre through High School and College and grew up knowing many great people. There isn’t a hateful bone in my body.

Isnt there a rant on there is no PoC in Witcher 3? Got a chuckle from all the whining.

You harp on him about his "canned" response, yet called him a snowflake in the previous post. Wow. Just wow.

Are you going to tell him to go to his safe space next? lol

There is a gay dude, though.

It's pointless. Some people just want to label anyone that disagrees with them as the "other" so they can pretend they are morally superior and give themselves an excuse to write off any logical points they make.

LOL The thread is very much proving this point. Both sides are f***in annoying. The idiots these days with there raw!! raw!! SJW and the f***in whiners about the smallest things.

@DragonfireXZ95: Oh, I won't be replying to him anymore. I also can't read his ridiculous posts anymore. I've ignored him. I may ignore you as well. We'll see.

Snowflake confirmed. Retreated to safe-space confirmed.

@zaryia: Not really. It's just a waste of time talking to so many of you. I honestly wish there was an ignore feature in real life where all I have to do is activate it and you disappear.

This is mostly because the gaming industry is pandering to the people who do not play games in the first place while ruining the experience for the rest of us.

@calvincfb: Because it's the "cool" thing to do among this idiotic gaming community.. We have games that try to emulate real life, and like or not, politics is part of it.. but never mind that.. it doesn't even have to be politically charged, just give a black woman a role as protagonist in a video game, or add one or two homosexual characters and watch at least one idiot scream "SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS!!!1 Fkin SJW CRAP" lol

Wait, you didn't get into gaming to pick the perfect hairstyle and coordinating outfits? I just don't know how to talk to you any more.

ah yes, discussing social issues on SW, that always goes well

I can shoot women in Far Cry 5.

That's alright.

Sadly, it's one of the few places left.

What the hell does this even mean? lol, How do you know a game was "altered" because it "needed" a female role, I don't get it. lol

Can it be said that "progressive" ideas are something that would be objective towards a demographic that is said to be "libertarian-leaning" according to a study by one Los-Angeles based libertarian think tank?

Don't fear the themes or have anything against them, just find the vast majority people who promote them extremely dislikable.