Why do oblivion haters believe that Skyrim will be GOTY?

I don't get it. If you hated oblivion, explain to my why you wont hate skyrim? Most of the things I hear are:

"Because it looks better (visually)"... k. Barely looks better.

"Because the combat is an improvement"... K. Watch the videos.

"They are making it into a bigger and deeper game"... K. Look at what Betheda has said. It's been dumbed down even further.

I just wonder. To those who thought oblivion was not good. They will say the same about Skyrim.

Oblivion was a monster when it launched. 95% in metacritic, and the game with the most ammount of GOTY awards that year. (More than Gears).

Yet, the community hated it (like every other game, when it becomes popular), due to being less "hardcore" than Morrowind.

Which puzzles me, because Skyrim is going to be less "hardcore" than oblivion. :?

Skyrim looks horrible game and it will suck just like oblivion did

Because they've been drinking the Kool-Aid Bethesda is handing out.

The fact that the studio hasn't developed a good game since Morrowind is beside the point. It's all about hype.

RPG fans are impossible to please. :roll:

I did't hate Oblivion. How could I? It was by far the best TES game, in the same way Fallout 3 was better than F1/2.

Bethesda is the best RPG developer, and their games just keep improving.

RPG fans are impossible to please. :roll:

BigDaddyPOLO

I ccouldnt get into Oblivion, way gto tedious, especially with the leveling system.

But Skyrim could change that.

I did't hate Oblivion. How could I? It was by far the best TES game, in the same way Fallout 3 was better than F1/2. Bethesda is the best RPG developer, and their games just keep improving.IronBass

Dragons.

Goty though...not in my book.

Oblivion's main problem wasn't that it was a bad RPG, but that it wasn't that good at anything else. I don't care if it's an RPG or not, RPGs aren't the only kind of game that can be great. I just want a game that's fun to play. Skyrim looks like that.

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RPG fans are impossible to please. :roll:

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

RPG fans are impossible to please. :roll:

BigDaddyPOLO

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

RPG fans are impossible to please. :roll:

BigDaddyPOLO

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]B-b-but... what about TEH BIOWARE? :oIronBass

Do Oblivion haters that believe Skyrim will be GotY even exist?

Bethesda hasn't made a good game in years, no idea why would they start now if that's what you're asking :?

I don't feel that way at all.

I feel that Bethesda (understandably) sold out to the lowest common denominator with Oblivion, and that they will continue to do so.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Not really. We just want a good RPG. Apparently, that's really hard to do nowadays.DarkLink77

You know, I've missed you, IB. :PDarkLink77

Oblivion sucked because of repetitive environments, terrible characters, an uninteresting plot, and bland combat. Which are probably the same reasons why Skyrim will suck too because lolBethesda.

I haven't really seen many Oblivion critics jumping on-board with Skyrim, but I'd just accredit that to the hypetrain like darklink mentioned.

Slashkice

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Yeah it's really hard to make a game that's actually really really boring and only appeals to a small group of people.

TailBlood

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

Yeah it's really hard to make a game that's actually really really boring and only appeals to a small group of people.

TailBlood

Both of you should at least try to play one real RPG rather than following the (casual console shooter obsessed) crowd in assuming real RPGs are boring.

Oblivion is a action - adventure with horrible AI (infinitely inferior to that of Gothic 1, a game from 2001) and a copy pasted world, how you could enjoy such mediocrity, without much needed mods, is beyond me.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Since that's you're opinion, I take it you've never played a good RPG before.DarkLink77

And dungeon crawler isn't a genre. Sub-genre.

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[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

Yeah it's really hard to make a game that's actually really really boring and only appeals to a small group of people.

Lucianu

Both of you should at least try to play one real RPG rather than following the (casual console shooter obsessed) crowd in assuming real RPGs are boring.

Oblivion is a action - adventure with horrible AI (infinitely inferior to that of Gothic 1, a game from 2001) and a copy pasted world, how you could enjoy such mediocrity, without much needed mods, is beyond me.

Odd because on the mass effect website, on gamespot and on bioware articles it says that Mass effect 2 is an rpg? :?

And dungeon crawler isn't a genre. Sub-genre.

TailBlood

So if a painter makes a painting in the obvious style of Leonardo and calls it a Picasso, you'll also agree with him blindy that it is a Picasso?

Odd because if you check most of the games I have on my old xfire, diablo, baldurs gate, neverwinter nights are all in there. :? Love when people assume, without knowing.

TailBlood

Why on earth would you bother trudging through all of these long games that you apparently dislike?

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Mass Effect 2is a TPS, and Diablo is a dungeon crawler....Lucianu

And dungeon crawler isn't a genre. Sub-genre.

So if a painter makes a painting in the obvious style of Leonardo and calls it a Picasso, you'll also agree with him blindy that it is a Picasso?

Odd because if you check most of the games I have on my old xfire, diablo, baldurs gate, neverwinter nights are all in there. :? Love when people assume, without knowing.

TailBlood

I have no intention in knowing who you are, considering the way you post, it's pretty obvious you have no idea what a RPG are.

I'll assume what's obvious, everyone does that.

Because there's a lot of hype surrounding Skyrim, and people love to get caught up in it.

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Odd because if you check most of the games I have on my old xfire, diablo, baldurs gate, neverwinter nights are all in there. :? Love when people assume, without knowing.

superfluidity

Why on earth would you bother trudging through all of these long games that you apparently dislike?

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Odd because if you check most of the games I have on my old xfire, diablo, baldurs gate, neverwinter nights are all in there. :? Love when people assume, without knowing.

Lucianu

I have no intention in knowing who you are, considering the way you post, it's pretty obvious you have no idea what a RPG are.

I'll assume what's obvious, everyone does that.

Edit: Can you show me one of the posts where I give an indication that I don't know what rpg's are?

Wait what? I never said that I disliked them. Please quote me to that post.

TailBlood

You agreed with a poster above that RPGs are boring.

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Wait what? I never said that I disliked them. Please quote me to that post.

superfluidity

You agreed with a poster above that RPGs are boring.

I don't get it.TailBlood

Skyrim looks horrible game and it will suck just like oblivion did

Zurrur

I certrainly hope it sucks as bad as Oblivion......9.6 at GS, 9.4 at metacritic, and tons of GOTY's.

btw this game is more hardcore in actual gameplay - no more backpedaling, timed blocking, less level scaling, and balanced spells this time.

less level scaling

Jankarcop

Whoa, I haven't been following this game. They still included some form of level scaling?

While I do not thing Skyrim will be anything near GOTY, I do Like what I see.

I do however think I should explain where Im comming from with this, and my observations:

For me Oblivion was an adventure game, I do know that its oficially an RPG, but it had so little to do with actualroleplaying that I just saw it as an adventuregame. It was overly repetetive,, and when you playied 20 ours of it, you had seen it all, all 3 tilesets of dungeons (well depending if you counted the games or not).

The expansion to Oblivion however was QUITE good you know...

And with all of Bethesdas games, I see it as a sandbox for Modders, one of the biggest reasons to get Skyrin to me, is to see what Modders will do with all this land, where they can play around.

Now here is the amuzing thing about Skyrim: all the real problems I had with Oblivion either looks to have been corrected, or is talked about as being corrected (altho from talk to truth there are a huge gap).

I downright hated the stiff animations, and lack of visualimpactfrom both Oblivion and FO3 (untill you took a limb off that is) and it DOES seem like the visual impacts are in the game now, aswell as FAR better animated people, movement and so on alså looks far better.

I like the Perk addition alot, and combat looks a fair bit better now, altho its still the same basics.

I like the look of the world a whole lot better then Oblivion

And they claim the dungeons have WAY more attention payied to them, and more varried.

Im interrested in the Radient story and (and ai overhaull) not as much from a game perspective, but more from a code perspective)

But as an rpg? No, Skyrim is not really an RPG for me, th removal of stats, and "streamlining" is pretty much things I have real problems with ESPECIALLY in rpgs, a genre that is ment to be deep (since it should portray a working world, with A whole lot of factors). So to me Both Bioware and Bethesda has killed off thier reputation as RPG devs to me. It does not mean that the games they make are bad games tho, just not RPGs.

I'll wait for the modders to fix it before I go and waste $60.Blacklight2

You're gonna buy it before it goes on sale on Steam? (If it goes to Steam that is) :P

I just need Skyrim andDiablo III and I'm set for the next year :D

Oblivion was bad, Fallout 3 was also bad. Skyrim looks to be the worst of the bunch however.

Ultima 7... yeah, I miss that game. Gothic series had superior AI to both Elder Scrolls: Oblivion and Fallout 3.

Look at what Betheda has said. It's been dumbed down even further.

TailBlood

I've seen this thrown around a lot and so far no one can back it up with proof.

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Look at what Betheda has said. It's been dumbed down even further.

smerlus

I've seen this thrown around a lot and so far no one can back it up with proof.

Besides Bethesda saying they're taking out RPG elements to make it more of a straight-forward action game?

I'd give you the article but I didn't save the link.

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[QUOTE="TailBlood"]

Look at what Betheda has said. It's been dumbed down even further.

I've seen this thrown around a lot and so far no one can back it up with proof.

Besides Bethesda saying they're taking out RPG elements to make it more of a straight-forward action game?

I'd give you the article but I didn't save the link.

which elements?smerlus

From what the interview said, everything that makes RPGs not a pick-up-and-play game. What they said was "remove confusion for ANYONE playing the game." Then they proceded to call Call of Duty hardcore and that it has RPG elements.

"They are making it into a bigger and deeper game"... K. Look at what Betheda has said. It's been dumbed down even further.

I just wonder. To those who thought oblivion was not good. They will say the same about Skyrim.

Oblivion was a monster when it launched. 95% in metacritic, and the game with the most ammount of GOTY awards that year. (More than Gears).

Yet, the community hated it (like every other game, when it becomes popular), due to being less "hardcore" than Morrowind.

Which puzzles me, because Skyrim is going to be less "hardcore" than oblivion. :?

TailBlood

I dont like oblivion, unless its texture modded, combat modded, signs modded, and has a different main storyline. That being said, i think skyrim improves where it counts, except with the stats, they have made those worse and worse. Plus i want my damn spears and halberds back.