Why does the "PC gaming is too expensive" argument still rage on??

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="lowe0"]What good would that have done? If you think calling attention to that fact was going to make things better, you're naive. I finished out the round so that it wouldn't count as a disconnect and quit.lowe0

It is extremely expensive and frustrating

Imagine people that bought a 7800GTX SLI for 5000$ in 2005 and now cant play Witcher 2

How does that compare to a 199$ xbox 360 ? That not only plays Witcher 2 looking stunning, but also has Dark Souls, Gears, Halo etc

Comparing to consoles, PC is beyond extremly expensive and extremly limited in game lineup too

loosingENDS

7800GTX was 5000$ in 2005? and they can play Witcher 2, just like you... not very well lol.

A X360 was 199$ in 2005?

Again, PC is not limited, it's just you who has limited taste.

Critising his lack of communication, wearing his heart on his sleeve and thus contributing nothing is belitteling? no its annoying to play with people who sulk or just dont bother communicating.

PC360Wii

Hermits can claim all they want but PC gaming is not cheap, just as gaming as a whole is not cheap. If you're gonna get into PC gaming, then get ready to throw down some dough and do it right. No point in buying $600-700 gaming PC only to have to upgrade a year or two down the road. One interesting aspect of all of these "PC gaming is cheap" fad threads is that most hermits just assume that everyone owns an HD monitor and a copy of Windows lying around. Every single custom build ever thrown around System Wars never includes an HD monitor or Windows despite the fact that they are necessary and can easily rack up to another $200+ to that "cheap" $600 custom build. Not bashing on PC gaming but both sides of the coin are extremely delusional on what it actually costs to be a PC gamer.AcidSoldner

Is there any reason why we can't use a 1080p HDTV as monitor? They do come in small sizes you know like my 24" TV.

In any case, from a PC gamer's perspective, most console gamers never include the cost of the PC or whatever device they use to surf here with.

from my perspective:

Gaming PC = console + non-gaming PC.

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Critising his lack of communication, wearing his heart on his sleeve and thus contributing nothing is belitteling? no its annoying to play with people who sulk or just dont bother communicating.

JLF1MarkII

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Right because battlefield is such a constant frag gest that 2-5 seconds typing "Sorry, I dont have med kit unlocked yet" is sooo much hard work. instead just keep them in the dark while they prey you actually bother to use it.PC360Wii

It's also social norm to give constructive criticism in a nice (but firm) manner. Yelling at people "Give me your effing heath-pack you life-less looser" is not social norm.

Guess which one is more common?

You make no sense. For wanting proper team communication I am the problem?

PC360Wii

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="lowe0"] So I'd take my hand off the mouse for a second, get killed, and then get **** at some more for not staying alive long enough for my squad mates to respawn on me. Brilliant strategy there, professor.JLF1MarkII

It's also social norm to give constructive criticism in a nice (but firm) manner. Yelling at people "Give me your effing heath-pack you life-less looser" is not social norm.

Guess which one is more common?

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] ... you could tell them at any point. stop making excuses, you wasnt under fire every second, half the damn game is running around to get somewhere, or proning behind defence. No excuse whatsoever other than your own poor multiplayer team ethic. im not elitest for this, this a social norm which you couldnt be bothered to do. ok they might of come off as rude, but its pure frustration IN A TEAM GAME where you couldnt be bothered.PC360Wii

It's also social norm to give constructive criticism in a nice (but firm) manner. Yelling at people "Give me your effing heath-pack you life-less looser" is not social norm.

Guess which one is more common?

it is expensive with a large entry barrier for someone like me... I would like to have a gaming rig, but I really do not have any clue about what the first step is to building one so that eliminates buying raw parts... so now I have to buy a pre-made rig from the store... however I know these are not optimized for gaming, so I have to add some pieces to it like a sound andvideo card and possibly som more RAM (?) maybe some Video RAM (?) maybe some other sorta RAM, maybe some harddrive, I dont really know....

wait hold up, did I buy a rig that I can install all this stuff in or is my pre-made rig not compatible with all this other stuff... sonow that I spent $1000 on a pre-made system from a website, and over $600 in components, I still dont know how to install all this crap or if this crap is even designed to work with each other, or if this crap is really any good or just crap....

so you can see why it is just easier and cheaper to buy a 1-stop shopping, closed box console for some of us... not everything is as simple as some PC users make it out to be

enzyme36

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Right, so you just sulked instead of communicating. Point proven, you are one of "them".DragonfireXZ95

Well if you didnt bother to reply at all what do you expect? you come off as completely ignorant. a typical situation thats very easily defused. But like i said, it seems like a simple case of man up or just ignore them, either way, I wouldnt have a tantrum and hate a system for it (considering this happens on consoles just as much). And then using it in SW as some sort of basis, just seems like self-ownage to me. lack of communication = bad player = yelled at = sulk, whine and generilize an entire community = complain that a guy is elitest to point out that its just as much your fault.

PC360Wii

I'm not about to spend $10,000 on a game machine.

Heirren

Well it is expensive. I don't think anyone can deny that except fanboys.

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I'm not about to spend $10,000 on a game machine.

YoshiYogurt

C'mon...obvious joke.

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You make no sense. For wanting proper team communication I am the problem?

JLF1MarkII

Its not really expensive in this day and age at all. I'm just one of those people who figures if I'm gonna do it, I'm going all out and that isn't in the price range right now.

ActicEdge

Why would you need to go all out? There's just no reason for it if you haven't got a purpose for the hardware.

You could literally play every game with a $600 computer. It might not be max settings, but you could play them all very nicely. In comparison the consoles tend to not play many games at all above 30fps, or 720p resolutions, and they are very blurry looking at times (unless it's the Wii of course).

If that is acceptable it seems odd a $600 computer wouldn't be acceptable for gaming.

I mean where would the extra money go after that point? A triple monitor setup? Maxing out two or three games that actually need the hardware? Super expensive gaming keyboards, mice, headsets?

Seems a little overkill to me. Unless you're a simulation fanatic then triple monitor seems to be overkill, and unless you want to play Crysis all day long at max then a $300-$500 video card seems overkill.

If you don't constantly upgrade to play games on max settings you're not getting the most out of PC gaming. And if you're not playing games on max settings you might as well just switch to consoles.

That's what I did once I got tired of upgrading my PC. I still have a gaming PC I just don't upgrade it as much as I used to with gaming PCs and am now a console first gamer.

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Its not really expensive in this day and age at all. I'm just one of those people who figures if I'm gonna do it, I'm going all out and that isn't in the price range right now.

SW__Troll

Why would you need to go all out? There's just no reason for it if you haven't got a purpose for the hardware.

You could literally play every game with a $600 computer. It might not be max settings, but you could play them all very nicely. In comparison the consoles tend to not play many games at all above 30fps, or 720p resolutions, and they are very blurry looking at times (unless it's the Wii of course).

If that is acceptable it seems odd a $600 computer wouldn't be acceptable for gaming.

I mean where would the extra money go after that point? A triple monitor setup? Maxing out two or three games that actually need the hardware? Super expensive gaming keyboards, mice, headsets?

Seems a little overkill to me. Unless you're a simulation fanatic then triple monitor seems to be overkill, and unless you want to play Crysis all day long at max then a $300-$500 video card seems overkill.

Cause I'm the type of person who likes to do something right or not do it at all. I'm not going to spend 600 bucks on a mediocore PC, its either balls to the wall awesome or its not getting done. That's all there is too it.

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

You make no sense. For wanting proper team communication I am the problem?

PC360Wii

And even if that existed, then what makes you think the outcome wouldn't have simply been more crap flung my way?

If you don't constantly upgrade to play games on max settings you're not getting the most out of PC gaming. And if you're not playing games on max settings you might as well just switch to consoles.

That's what I did once I got tired of upgrading my PC. I still have a gaming PC I just don't upgrade it as much as I used to with gaming PCs and am now a console first gamer.

KC_Hokie

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No, but for belittling him at every chance you get. Telling him to man up and stop sulking because the mean big strong men are picking on him makes you part of the problem.

lowe0

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Its not really expensive in this day and age at all. I'm just one of those people who figures if I'm gonna do it, I'm going all out and that isn't in the price range right now.

ActicEdge

Why would you need to go all out? There's just no reason for it if you haven't got a purpose for the hardware.

You could literally play every game with a $600 computer. It might not be max settings, but you could play them all very nicely. In comparison the consoles tend to not play many games at all above 30fps, or 720p resolutions, and they are very blurry looking at times (unless it's the Wii of course).

If that is acceptable it seems odd a $600 computer wouldn't be acceptable for gaming.

I mean where would the extra money go after that point? A triple monitor setup? Maxing out two or three games that actually need the hardware? Super expensive gaming keyboards, mice, headsets?

Seems a little overkill to me. Unless you're a simulation fanatic then triple monitor seems to be overkill, and unless you want to play Crysis all day long at max then a $300-$500 video card seems overkill.

Cause I'm the type of person who likes to do something right or not do it at all. I'm not going to spend 600 bucks on a mediocore PC, its either balls to the wall awesome or its not getting done. That's all there is too it.

So you would spend an extra $1000 to play five games better?

And a $600 pc is mediocre? How would you even know?

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Then what solution do you have? if you think "Man Up" is belitteling I dunno... maybe its neccesary for you aswell.

PC360Wii

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[QUOTE="lowe0"] It's laughable that you demand a solution from him, when you still haven't proposed one of your own for what you called me out over. What magical solution for letting everyone know I had no medkits are you proposing that wouldn't involve me letting up on my scanning the alley chokepoint of Bazaar for flanking attacks? And even if that existed, then what makes you think the outcome wouldn't have simply been more crap flung my way?

lowe0

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[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

Why would you need to go all out? There's just no reason for it if you haven't got a purpose for the hardware.

You could literally play every game with a $600 computer. It might not be max settings, but you could play them all very nicely. In comparison the consoles tend to not play many games at all above 30fps, or 720p resolutions, and they are very blurry looking at times (unless it's the Wii of course).

If that is acceptable it seems odd a $600 computer wouldn't be acceptable for gaming.

I mean where would the extra money go after that point? A triple monitor setup? Maxing out two or three games that actually need the hardware? Super expensive gaming keyboards, mice, headsets?

Seems a little overkill to me. Unless you're a simulation fanatic then triple monitor seems to be overkill, and unless you want to play Crysis all day long at max then a $300-$500 video card seems overkill.

SW__Troll

Cause I'm the type of person who likes to do something right or not do it at all. I'm not going to spend 600 bucks on a mediocore PC, its either balls to the wall awesome or its not getting done. That's all there is too it.

So you would spend an extra $1000 to play five games better?

And a $600 pc is mediocre? How would you even know?

Nope, spend the extra money to max everything on the market at extremely high resolutions and never have to tinker with settings to find the perfect blend of performance to graphics. Also please, a $600 is not going to give you the visuals and performance that make Pc gaming such a superior option to consoles. I don't want to just beat consoles when I make a PC, I want to blow them away. No PC enthusiat here is going to try and tell me I can get a PC from scratch with everything including monitor, keyboard, mouse and copy of windows for $600. Get out of here with that shiit.

It's a lot of money to spend in one time.

It's a lot of money to spend in one time.

freedomfreak

Nope, spend the extra money to max everything on the market at extremely high resolutions and never have to tinker with settings to find the perfect blend of performance to graphics. Also please, a $600 is not going to give you the visuals and performance that make Pc gaming such a superior option to consoles. I don't want to just beat consoles when I make a PC, I want to blow them away. No PC enthusiat here is going to try and tell me I can get a PC from scratch with everything including monitor, keyboard, mouse and copy of windows for $600. Get out of here with that shiit.

ActicEdge

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It's a lot of money to spend in one time.

lawlessx

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

It's a lot of money to spend in one time.

freedomfreak

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="lawlessx"] then buy the parts piece by piece...that's what i did when i was building my first Riglawlessx

Because if you actually want to play the best looking PC games at the highest settings and have that last for 2-3 years you need to pay about $1200 for it.

PC gaming looking as good as the current console gaming is not expensive but why bother?

JLF1MarkII

PC only games and features say hi, were at the point right now where even low settings is starting to own the consoles.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Cause I'm the type of person who likes to do something right or not do it at all. I'm not going to spend 600 bucks on a mediocore PC, its either balls to the wall awesome or its not getting done. That's all there is too it.

ActicEdge

So you would spend an extra $1000 to play five games better?

And a $600 pc is mediocre? How would you even know?

Nope, spend the extra money to max everything on the market at extremely high resolutions and never have to tinker with settings to find the perfect blend of performance to graphics. Also please, a $600 is not going to give you the visuals and performance that make Pc gaming such a superior option to consoles. I don't want to just beat consoles when I make a PC, I want to blow them away. No PC enthusiat here is going to try and tell me I can get a PC from scratch with everything including monitor, keyboard, mouse and copy of windows for $600. Get out of here with that shiit.

Again, how would you even know? Have you ever tried to build your own PC?

But you're right. You would need to add a $100-$150 monitor to that price.

A $600 pc isn't going to just beat consoles. "Just beating" consoles wouldn't mean playing 95% of games at 1080p+ resolutions with 60+ fps. There are diminishing returns as you keep increasing your hardware power especially with the games out today. You're basically stating you need to spend an extra $500-$1000 more to get 0 added benefit on 95% of games, but to max out games like Crysis, in order to blow consoles away.

Take me as a friend, or an enemy. I don't really care, but I warn you to NOT GO INTO PC GAMING WITH THAT MINDSET. You are going to set yourself up for the most extreme amount of buyer's remorse fathomable.

You don't even know what you'd truly like out of PC gaming it seems. It's a much better idea to work from the ground up than the top down. You know what I mean?

If you don't care much about Crysis then why would you want to max Crysis? If you don't care much about flight simulators, or racing simulators then why would you want a triple monitor setup? If you don't even use a keyboard/mouse to play games as it is then do you really think it'd be a wise choice to buy some $100 accessories that you don't even know the benefits of (assuming there actually are any)?

Why not ask your friends about it? I see you in the lounge every day, and I guarantee you every PC gamer in that lounge is not rocking a $1500 rig, and yet they absolutely love gaming on their PC.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Point is you didnt try. "scanning" oh god.... 5 second message type we are talking about here.

PC360Wii

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[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

So you would spend an extra $1000 to play five games better?

And a $600 pc is mediocre? How would you even know?

SW__Troll

Nope, spend the extra money to max everything on the market at extremely high resolutions and never have to tinker with settings to find the perfect blend of performance to graphics. Also please, a $600 is not going to give you the visuals and performance that make Pc gaming such a superior option to consoles. I don't want to just beat consoles when I make a PC, I want to blow them away. No PC enthusiat here is going to try and tell me I can get a PC from scratch with everything including monitor, keyboard, mouse and copy of windows for $600. Get out of here with that shiit.

Again, how would you even know? Have you ever tried to build your own PC?

But you're right. You would need to add a $100-$150 monitor to that price.

A $600 pc isn't going to just beat consoles. "Just beating" consoles wouldn't mean playing 95% of games at 1080p+ resolutions with 60+ fps. There are diminishing returns as you keep increasing your hardware power especially with the games out today. You're basically stating you need to spend an extra $500-$1000 more to get 0 added benefit on 95% of games, but to max out games like Crysis, in order to blow consoles away.

Take me as a friend, or an enemy. I don't really care, but I warn you to NOT GO INTO PC GAMING WITH THAT MINDSET. You are going to set yourself up for the most extreme amount of buyer's remorse fathomable.

You don't even know what you'd truly like out of PC gaming it seems. It's a much better idea to work from the ground up than the top down. You know what I mean?

If you don't care much about Crysis then why would you want to max Crysis? If you don't care much about flight simulators, or racing simulators then why would you want a triple monitor setup? If you don't even use a keyboard/mouse to play games as it is then do you really think it'd be a wise choice to buy some $100 accessories that you don't even know the benefits of (assuming there actually are any)?

Why not ask your friends about it? I see you in the lounge every day, and I guarantee you every PC gamer in that lounge is not rocking a $1500 rig, and yet they absolutely love gaming on their PC.

It has nothing to do with an enemy/friend situation. You're making this an issue by trying to get in an argument with me over how I reason spending my own money so you should kindly stop trying to act like I'm the unreasonable one here. I have talked to enough people and played enough PC games to know what I want out of a PC and 600 bucks is not going to cut it (and it costs more than 600 bucks on top of that but anyway). Anyway, this discussion is over now so you can continue arguing but I'm not replying.

And a tip, just because I don't personally PC game it doesn't mean that I don't have friends who do or have a grasp on pricing :roll:

It has nothing to do with an enemy/friend situation. You're making this an issue by trying to get in an argument with me over how I reason spending my own money so you should kindly stop trying to act like I'm the unreasonable one here. I have talked to enough people and played enough PC games to know what I want out of a PC and 600 bucks is not going to cut it (and it costs more than 600 bucks on top of that but anyway). Anyway, this discussion is over now so you can continue arguing but I'm not replying.

ActicEdge

Because I know you'll read this post:

Buyer's remorse is in your future

I didn't even read this crap but frankly it's rather pointless for hermits to argue price because while it CAN be cost effective to game on a PC it DOESN'T need to be justified. I tend to spend more on PC gaming hardware than the average but I personally WANT the bleeding edge and am willing to pay for it. I don't like turning down settings and I enjoy playing games like Crysis 2 and BF3 at my native resolution on Ultra settings. That makes PC gaming great; you can customize your OWN experience unlike consoles. I like to enjoy the game at the highest level possible to play and experience the game and it does tend to cost more than a console but I don't care. I will never gimp myself to a console title also on the PC but will use my consoles for games like Reach/God of War/Fight Night, Mortal Kombat etc. The best of all worlds.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Cause I'm the type of person who likes to do something right or not do it at all. I'm not going to spend 600 bucks on a mediocore PC, its either balls to the wall awesome or its not getting done. That's all there is too it.

ActicEdge

So you would spend an extra $1000 to play five games better?

And a $600 pc is mediocre? How would you even know?

Nope, spend the extra money to max everything on the market at extremely high resolutions and never have to tinker with settings to find the perfect blend of performance to graphics. Also please, a $600 is not going to give you the visuals and performance that make Pc gaming such a superior option to consoles. I don't want to just beat consoles when I make a PC, I want to blow them away. No PC enthusiat here is going to try and tell me I can get a PC from scratch with everything including monitor, keyboard, mouse and copy of windows for $600. Get out of here with that shiit.

suck it :P

Because it is bloody expensive lol. I've just spent over 1K on a new PC and in about a year and a half it'll probably be out of date yet again :( biggest_loser

Yes and you can just upgrades some part... like a GPU, you don't need a new case or HDD...

Because it is bloody expensive lol. I've just spent over 1K on a new PC and in about a year and a half it'll probably be out of date yet again :( biggest_loser

Depends on what your knowledge is, what initial components you used and what your expectations and upgrade wants are in 1.5 years. EVERYTHING is outdated in 1.5 years but doesn't mean that is a Sunk Cost. That's what great about PC gaming; the ability to tailor your own experience to your needs and budget. Period.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Because it is bloody expensive lol. I've just spent over 1K on a new PC and in about a year and a half it'll probably be out of date yet again :( Bebi_vegeta

Yes and you can just upgrades some part... like a GPU, you don't need a new case or HDD...

Nope, spend the extra money to max everything on the market at extremely high resolutions and never have to tinker with settings to find the perfect blend of performance to graphics. Also please, a $600 is not going to give you the visuals and performance that make Pc gaming such a superior option to consoles. I don't want to just beat consoles when I make a PC, I want to blow them away. No PC enthusiat here is going to try and tell me I can get a PC from scratch with everything including monitor, keyboard, mouse and copy of windows for $600. Get out of here with that shiit.

ActicEdge

Kind of playing devil's advocate here, because I think it's perfectly fine to select a console instead of a PC for gaming, but the highest possible graphics settings are simply one of the possible reasons PC gaming is such a superior option to consoles. The most expansive library - including several genres barely represented on consoles -, the option to select your input device, mods, and less expensive software are also some great reasons to prefer PC gaming, and that's not touching graphics.

Now, you're right... You're not going to get all of the best components crammed into a box and shipped to you for $600 bucks. But you can absolutely get a machine that solidly outperforms consoles on any game out (and can max out many) for that price, and enjoy all of the other benefits of PC gaming while the perfectionist in you selects, saves for, and eventually puchases sensible upgrades to give you that last bit of perofrmance muscle. And while you wait, your games will STILL be looking better than on any system you've ever owned before.