Why is GTA5 not releasing on PC day 1?

List 15 multiplats that had significantly better PC versions,and were released in 2005-2011(both included)

call_of_duty_10

Alright I'll bite. I just want to see what you can come up with...

• The orange box, that's five games
• Bulletstorm
• Gears of War
• Batman: Arkham Asylum
• Crysis
• Crysis 2
• Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
• Mafia 2
• Mirror's Edge
• Battlefield: Bad Company 2
• Just Cause 2
• GTA IV
• Metro 2033
• Dead Space
• Dead Space 2

And that's just from taking a quick look at my steam list. I could list way more if I acually put any effor into this.

Of course you are gonna say that better graphics, better framerates, better controls and in some cases more content is not a significant enough improvement for you. You can't even back up ONE statement you made. Not one. :lol:

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

I did. I'm still waiting for anything to back up any of your claims.

adamosmaki

:roll:

List 15 multiplats that had significantly better PC versions,and were released in 2005-2011(both included)

Portal series

Half life episodes

Left 4 dead series

Supreme commander 2

Race driver Grid 

Dirt series

Metro 2033

Bad company 2

Dragon Agre origins

Batman series

Risen

Burnout Paradise

Mirrors edge

Fallout 3 and Fallout new vegas

and that is on top of my head. But i'm sure you will find something that does not qualify them according to your criteria. Am i right ?

Also here http://www.gdconf.com/news/gdc_state_of_the_industry_rese.html

Pc dev support higher than console

Why the heck would I care about control schemes?I never touch the key mappings in games.No,really,how the heck is that suppossed to improve the gameplay experience:?

call_of_duty_10

Control schemes = key mappings?

:lol: :lol: :lol: Priceless.

No, resolution doesn't magically improve graphics.

call_of_duty_10

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Stopped reading there. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Hermzits can't handle it.freedomfreak

Hermzits can't handle it.freedomfreak

stfu weeabotaku :(

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Hermzits can't handle it.adamosmaki

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

:roll:

List 15 multiplats that had significantly better PC versions,and were released in 2005-2011(both included)

N30F3N1X

Dark Messiah

Oblivion

Fallout 3

Fallout NV

Skyrim

Crysis

Counterstrike Global Offensive

Call of Duty 4

Call of Duty 2

Dragon Age Origins

Supreme Commander

The Witcher 2

Battlefield 2

Battlefield 3

Battle for Middle Earth 2

you mad?

It seems you assume that 720p looks bad irrespective of the screen size.I have a 17.5" 720p tv for consoles.

No,resolution doesn't magically improve graphics.A higher res means a bigger image.A bigger image means better visibility of fine details.In a game like,say,crysis 3 running on ultra settings,there are many fine details and you need a big screen to see them properly.But in a game that doesn't even have such kind of graphics,the bigger image isn't going to do anything.

gta 3 on 9600x5400 won't look better than 1920x1080,since the assets are made with low resolution in mind.

call_of_duty_10

I played GTA 3 on 480p on PS2 and 1080p on PC and yeah it's a pretty big difference. Upping the resolution does do a lot to make a game better even if its assets were not made for that resolution. Look at the Age of Empires 2 HD edition for example. I've played hundreds of hours of AoE2 and even now I'm seeing details in the original assets I've never seen before by being able to play it in higher resolutions

 

Mods for gta 4 weren't anything special(except graphics).

call_of_duty_10

You don't know what you are talking about. Again

Also even if the PC version didn't have better graphics, framerates and mods it would still be 1000 times better because of the video editor.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

No, resolution doesn't magically improve graphics.

Cyberdot

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Stopped reading there. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Dafuq...?Why are the fallout games in that list?CoD4,skyrim shouldn't be there either. Crysis 3,Sleeping Dogs,Crysis 2(after dx11 patch),Far Cry 3...These are the games that are significantly different.call_of_duty_10

Yeah. We already knew you were going to make the definition of what is significant enough or not:

But i'm sure you will find something that does not qualify them according to your criteria. Am i right ?

Also here http://www.gdconf.com/news/gdc_state_of_the_industry_rese.html

Pc dev support higher than console

adamosmaki

Of course you are gonna say that better graphics, better framerates, better controls and in some cases more content is not a significant enough improvement for you. You can't even back up ONE statement you made. Not one. :lol:

R4gn4r0k

Meanwhile I'm still waiting for you to back up a single statement you made with facts.

Dafuq...?Why are the fallout games in that list?CoD4,skyrim shouldn't be there either. Crysis 3,Sleeping Dogs,Crysis 2(after dx11 patch),Far Cry 3...These are the games that are significantly different.call_of_duty_10

Because of this

and this

how about this

ohhh and don't forget this

Maximizing profits before surrendering to pirates' demands.

This poor dude just keeps getting bitchslapped. His head is so full of shit that now I begin understanding why he likes unmodded Fallout 3.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]Dafuq...?Why are the fallout games in that list?CoD4,skyrim shouldn't be there either. Crysis 3,Sleeping Dogs,Crysis 2(after dx11 patch),Far Cry 3...These are the games that are significantly different.N30F3N1X

Because of this

and this

how about this

ohhh and don't forget this

MOds do not change the fact that the game mechanics were designed for consoles.

That was the original argument.The devs didn't do anything to make the pc version better.

MOds do not change the fact that the game mechanics were designed for consoles.

That was the original argument.The devs didn't do anything to make the pc version better.

call_of_duty_10

The even funnier thing is mentioning "consoles" in Bethesda games, considering the sheer amount of stuff you can actually do with the in-game console :lol:

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"] fact:I have a gaming PC. But I would rather play the game 6 months earlier without drm.

(Btw,mods won't be available at the time of release.)

30 fps is fine with a controller.In a game like gta,you don't need kb/m.

call_of_duty_10

I would rather wait 6 months in order to play the much superior version.

enjoy your "720p or sub-hd, low settings, 25-30fps, no options for different control schemes, no mods, etc" :lol:

It seems you assume that 720p looks bad irrespective of the screen size.I have a 17.5" 720p tv for consoles.

No,resolution doesn't magically improve graphics.A higher res means a bigger image.A bigger image means better visibility of fine details.In a game like,say,crysis 3 running on ultra settings,there are many fine details and you need a big screen to see them properly.But in a game that doesn't even have such kind of graphics,the bigger image isn't going to do anything.

gta 3 on 9600x5400 won't look better than 1920x1080,since the assets are made with low resolution in mind.

Why the heck would I care about control schemes?I never touch the key mappings in games.No,really,how the heck is that suppossed to improve the gameplay experience:?

Mods for gta 4 weren't anything special(except graphics).

wtf damage control is what?

we are not talking "720p or sub-hd, high settings" VS "2560x1440, low settings"

but "720p or sub-hd, low settings" VS "2560x1440, high settings" just massive difference.

also also it dosent mater what screen size you have link

Speaking of resolution. It does do something. Just finished the first Splinter Cell on 1600*900. Looks so clean freedomfreak

Yeah resolution helps a lot. Why else would devs and publishers bother making so many HD editions of last gen games? Games like God of War look pretty great even today thanks to them being in HD. :D

The last person I saw arguing that resolution doesn't make any difference was loosingENDS.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

MOds do not change the fact that the game mechanics were designed for consoles.

That was the original argument.The devs didn't do anything to make the pc version better.

N30F3N1X

My reaction exactly. :P

Yeah resolution helps a lot. Why else would devs and publishers bother making so many HD editions of last gen games? Games like God of War look pretty great even today thanks to them being in HD. :D

The last person I saw arguing that resolution doesn't make any difference was loosingENDS.

R4gn4r0k

He wasn't arguing it didn't make any difference, he was arguing lower res makes for more cinematic look. Such wisdom.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Speaking of resolution. It does do something. Just finished the first Splinter Cell on 1600*900. Looks so clean R4gn4r0k

Yeah resolution helps a lot. Why else would devs and publishers bother making so many HD editions of last gen games? Games like God of War look pretty great even today thanks to them being in HD. :D

The last person I saw arguing that resolution doesn't make any difference was loosingENDS.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Yeah resolution helps a lot. Why else would devs and publishers bother making so many HD editions of last gen games? Games like God of War look pretty great even today thanks to them being in HD. :D

The last person I saw arguing that resolution doesn't make any difference was loosingENDS.

N30F3N1X

He wasn't arguing it didn't make any difference, he was arguing lower res makes for more cinematic look. Such wisdom.

Well in one thread he made he said that he would rather have devs make game in lower resolutions so they can spend the remaining processing power on better details. Pretty stupid when you think of the fact you won't even be able to see those details in lower resolutions.

But in other threads he said that resolution doesn't make any difference and only hermits care about them. Stating that devs should not make games higher than 720p because his TV has that resolution. :lol:

I didn't say that resolution doesn't matter. I said that it doesn't improve the graphics after a certain point.That certain point varies for each game.call_of_duty_10

Sure you did. You clearly said higher resolutions don't matter in a game if it doesn't have graphics as good as Crysis 3's

In a game like,say,crysis 3 running on ultra settings,there are many fine details and you need a big screen to see them properly.But in a game that doesn't even have such kind of graphics,the bigger image isn't going to do anything.

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]I didn't say that resolution doesn't matter. I said that it doesn't improve the graphics after a certain point.That certain point varies for each game.R4gn4r0k

Sure you did. You clearly said higher resolutions don't matter in a game if it doesn't have graphics as good as Crysis 3's

In a game like,say,crysis 3 running on ultra settings,there are many fine details and you need a big screen to see them properly.But in a game that doesn't even have such kind of graphics,the bigger image isn't going to do anything.

call_of_duty_10

Oh man, did he actually say that? :lol:

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]I didn't say that resolution doesn't matter. I said that it doesn't improve the graphics after a certain point.That certain point varies for each game.R4gn4r0k

Sure you did. You clearly said higher resolutions don't matter in a game if it doesn't have graphics as good as Crysis 3's

In a game like,say,crysis 3 running on ultra settings,there are many fine details and you need a big screen to see them properly.But in a game that doesn't even have such kind of graphics,the bigger image isn't going to do anything.

call_of_duty_10

The difference between something like 3840x2160 and 1920x1080 for a game like crysis 3,modded crysis 2 or any other graphically demanding game will be HUGE.

But for a game like gta san andreas,the difference will be quite small.

Basically,the better the graphics are,the more they will benefit from resolution.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

Some games sell better on consoles ( GTA series for instance ) others sell better on pc ( portal series for instance ). Shocking i know

Devs will obviously give priority to the platforms that will sell the most. Also Gta never released on pc on Day 1 so hardly this is a surprise

Sushiglutton

Clearly you have not paid attention. The reason GTA sells better on consoles is the terrible ports and the fact that R* treats their best customers as dirt. Seems a stupid thing to do given the amount of money at stake, but I guess R* is prettys stupid and/or hate money.

just how they always do it man. Been like that for over a decade now.razgriz_101

Oh man, did he actually say that? :lol:

Cyberdot

He sure did. It's on the previous page in a reply to MK-Professor talking about resolutions. 

I used crysis 3 as an example.

The difference between something like 3840x2160 and 1920x1080 for a game like crysis 3,modded crysis 2 or any other graphically demanding game will be HUGE.

But for a game like gta san andreas,the difference will be quite small.

call_of_duty_10

I can agree that a higher resolution does more for a game which textures and assets were made for that resolution. But you did not say the difference will be quite small. You said, and I quote, there would be NO difference:

gta 3 on 9600x5400 won't look better than 1920x1080,since the assets are made with low resolution in mind.

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="Cyberdot"]

He sure did. It's on the previous page in a reply to MK-Professor talking about resolutions. 

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

I used crysis 3 as an example.

The difference between something like 3840x2160 and 1920x1080 for a game like crysis 3,modded crysis 2 or any other graphically demanding game will be HUGE.

But for a game like gta san andreas,the difference will be quite small.

R4gn4r0k

I can agree that a higher resolution does more for a game which textures and assets were made for that resolution. But you did not say the difference will be quite small. You said, and I quote, there would be NO difference:

gta 3 on 9600x5400 won't look better than 1920x1080,since the assets are made with low resolution in mind.

call_of_duty_10

I actually tested it a few days ago.GTA 3 running at 3200x1800 on a 32" tv did not look better than 1280x720 on 17.5" screen.

The assets of gta 3 are very...basic. I actually tested it a few days ago.GTA 3 running at 3200x1800 on a 30" tv did not look better than 1280x720 on 17.5" screen.call_of_duty_10

I don't think I could see any details on that 17.5 inch TV, unless I was sitting right in front of it, either :|

Try running GTA 3 on that 30" TV on its highest resolution, than keep lowering the resolution. You will see a difference.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]The assets of gta 3 are very...basic. I actually tested it a few days ago.GTA 3 running at 3200x1800 on a 30" tv did not look better than 1280x720 on 17.5" screen.R4gn4r0k

I don't think I could see any details on that 17.5 inch TV, unless I was sitting right in front of it, either :|

Try running GTA 3 on that 30" TV on its highest resolution, than keep lowering the resolution. You will see a difference.

No point in comparing images at native and non-native resolutions. That's why I bought a 17.5 720p screen for console games.Because they run at 720p.

The image on LCD screens gets blurry at non-native resolutions.(Don't tell me you think 720p is bad because it looks blurry on your 1080p monitor...)

No point in comparing images at native and non-native resolutions. That's why I bought a 17.5 720p screen for console games.Because they run at 720p.

call_of_duty_10

No point in comparing two entirely different resolutions on two entirely different sized screens with you sitting at an entirely different distance from those screens either :?

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

The image on LCD screens gets blurry at non-native resolutions.(Don't tell me you think 720p is bad because it looks blurry on your 1080p monitor...)

No point in comparing images at native and non-native resolutions. That's why I bought a 17.5 720p screen for console games.Because they run at 720p.

R4gn4r0k

No point in comparing two entirely different resolutions on two entirely different sized screens with you sitting at an entirely different distance from those screens either :?

When did I say that I compared them from different viewing distances?I examined them up close. I swear,there was no difference between 3200x1800@ 30" and 1280x720 @ 17.5".If I had done the test using crysis 3 at ultra settings,there would have been a world of difference between the two.call_of_duty_10

because the details you see at a certain resolution and screen size all depend on what distance you are sitting from them... You aren't supposed to sit at the same distance from a 17.5 inch screen and a 30 inch one. Both screens also have a different DPI so your comparison holds absolutely no ground.

MOds do not change the fact that the game mechanics were designed for consoles.

That was the original argument.The devs didn't do anything to make the pc version better.

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]When did I say that I compared them from different viewing distances?I examined them up close. I swear,there was no difference between 3200x1800@ 30" and 1280x720 @ 17.5".If I had done the test using crysis 3 at ultra settings,there would have been a world of difference between the two.R4gn4r0k

because the details you see at a certain resolution and screen size all depend on what distance you are sitting from them... You aren't supposed to sit at the same distance from a 17.5 inch screen and a 30 inch one. Both screens also have a different DPI so your comparison holds absolutely no ground.

Y'know what,I don't think this will ever end.If you do not believe me,do the test yourself.Create custom resolutions in the nvidia control panel and compare image quality across different screens.

I said that all games do not benefit equally from higher resolutions.Since devs focus on consoles nowadays,the max res at which you see improvement in graphics is not very high.

I did the same test with gta 4 too.There was no difference in the image quality there either.As I said before,you can perform the test yourself if you do not believe me.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

MOds do not change the fact that the game mechanics were designed for consoles.

That was the original argument.The devs didn't do anything to make the pc version better.

skrat_01

Here;s an example:I can play fallout 3 at max settings,with all the sliders maxed out.Since the AI is custom tailored for console limitations,I can often see enemies,but they can't see me.Like,a super mutant is looking directly at me,but it doesn't start attacking,and the UI states that I am 'hidden'. If the game was designed for PC,this wouldn't have been a problem.

Crysis 1 is a game that is designed solely for gaming PCs.The enemy soldiers can see me just as well as I can see them.

 Can't say, I don't work there. I do think it's going to come eventually though. And of course I'll be using iCEnhancer. :cool:

I can't believe there's consolites who believe GTA 4 is better on the consoles. :lol:

The dpi difference doesn't matter for a game like gta 3.

Y'know what,I don't think this will ever end.If you do not believe me,do the test yourself.Create custom resolutions in the nvidia control panel and compare image quality across different screens.

I said that all games do not benefit equally from higher resolutions.Since devs focus on consoles nowadays,the max res at which you see improvement in graphics is not very high.

I did the same test with gta 4 too.There was no difference in the image quality there either.As I said before,you can perform the test yourself if you do not believe me.

call_of_duty_10

I don't have to do any tests. I know you are completely wrong so of course this won't ever end. I own GTA 3 on consoles and on PC, same with GTA IV. The difference in resolution is pretty clear to me. Yeah, even at the same settings of the console version, just up the resolution and the difference is there.

If resolutions don't matter on low quality asset games than much why are there so many HD re-releases this gen ?

Do you not see the difference in sharpness even though asset quality was not enhanced ? 

Why did console manufacturers make the jump to 720p this gen ?

Why are they making the jump to 1080p next gen ?

Why are so many PC gamers buying higher resolution screens ?

Must be that everyone is wrong about resolutions making a big difference and you are the only one that is right. You are pretentious :roll:

 Can't say, I don't work there. I do think it's going to come eventually though. And of course I'll be using iCEnhancer. :cool:

I can't believe there's consolites who believe GTA 4 is better on the consoles. :lol:

tagyhag

I've only seen one, Shadowmoses, who claimed that and I completely owned him on that :lol:

What version of ICE is that ?

I would imagine that they are doing this because the bulk of their game sales are on consoles so the PC release is viewed as a secondary goal. Maybe they are hoping to use some of the profits from the console version sales to fund the PC port?

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

The dpi difference doesn't matter for a game like gta 3.

Y'know what,I don't think this will ever end.If you do not believe me,do the test yourself.Create custom resolutions in the nvidia control panel and compare image quality across different screens.

I said that all games do not benefit equally from higher resolutions.Since devs focus on consoles nowadays,the max res at which you see improvement in graphics is not very high.

I did the same test with gta 4 too.There was no difference in the image quality there either.As I said before,you can perform the test yourself if you do not believe me.

R4gn4r0k

I don't have to do any tests. I know you are completely wrong so of course this won't ever end. I own GTA 3 on consoles and on PC, same with GTA IV. The difference in resolution is pretty clear to me. Yeah, even at the same settings of the console version, just up the resolution and the difference is there.

If resolutions don't matter on low quality asset games than much why are there so many HD re-releases this gen ?

Do you not see the difference in sharpness even though asset quality was not enhanced ? 

Why did console manufacturers make the jump to 720p this gen ?

Why are they making the jump to 1080p next gen ?

Why are so many PC gamers buying higher resolution screens ?

Must be that everyone is wrong about resolutions making a big difference and you are the only one that is right. You are pretentious :roll:

I've only seen one, Shadowmoses, who claimed that and I completely owned him on that :lol:

What version of ICE is that ?

R4gn4r0k

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]I've only seen one, Shadowmoses, who claimed that and I completely owned him on that :lol:

What version of ICE is that ?

tagyhag

They build GTA games to consoles first. GTA5 is a console game, then they give a Crap port to PC and slap on 60FPS and 1080P.

I cannot see the image that you posted.It says hotlinking isn't allowed. The reason why they re-release games in HD is because people have 1080p screens nowadays and 480p looks bad on them.Its all about the NATIVE resolution. That is also the reason why they switched to 720p this gen.Everyone had HD screens back in 2005.480p would have looked like s**t on 720p screens. Since the standard on consoles is 720p,devs design the assets to take advantage of that res.call_of_duty_10

Here is a link to the image. here is another example of no chance in asset quality, soley the resolution:

Are you saying that the PC version of a game like Bioshock Infinite has assets that are made for 720p ? :|

That is stunning :shock:! How much of a mess is it to get a mod like that running on PC (I have never used a mod before :P)? If I worked at R* I would be real excited about the work the modding community is doing. For a franchise like GTA graphics is real important imo since it's all about creating a (satirical) replica of the real world.Sushiglutton

Usually installing a mod does not require more than dragging some files in the folder of your game. Sometimes there are installers which makes it even easier. Or Steam workshop which automatically downloads and updates mods for you :D

Other times though mods require more work than that. It depends on how hard the game is to mod and what is being modded. GTA IV mods though involve simply dragging files in your folder.

I agree, I wish more devs were open to modding. Well, the devs usually are buy I think publisher don't want free content when they are trying to sell you their paid content. Not only can it lead to entirely new games it also offers a chance to people to show what they are worth and can get them a job in the gaming industy. New games, new developers and fresh ideas is what keeps this industry going.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]I cannot see the image that you posted.It says hotlinking isn't allowed. The reason why they re-release games in HD is because people have 1080p screens nowadays and 480p looks bad on them.Its all about the NATIVE resolution. That is also the reason why they switched to 720p this gen.Everyone had HD screens back in 2005.480p would have looked like s**t on 720p screens. Since the standard on consoles is 720p,devs design the assets to take advantage of that res.R4gn4r0k

Here is a link to the image. here is another example of no chance in asset quality, soley the resolution:

Are you saying that the PC version of a game like Bioshock Infinite has assets that are made for 720p ? :|

The resolution of that gif is 690x900.The console image has been upscaled.(Most probably to 1600x900)Plus,the PC screenshot is using sweetFX.That exaggerates the difference.

And Bioshock infinite was released this year.Almost all games released before 2012 had assets for 720p.