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#201 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"]Can you read unless your some computer nerd no one is going to think it's cheap to keep up twith the constant upgrading. And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?vashkey

I will repeat, since you can't seem to comprehend the words that are coming out of my mouth. Find me a console that supports 1200p at 120FPS. I dare yu. Thats right, YA CAN'T. Highest settings DO NOT equal consoles. PERIOD. You do not have to upgrade at all to keep up with consoles. Upgrading is not a requirement. Not to mention we have a wide variety of genres.

It is a requirement if you want to play the more recent games that are actually worth playing.... Then again, to me there are no PC games worth playing. I don't like MMOs or stategy games and I prefer Halo over any PC fps I've ever played. That and alot of the PC FPS games are also on consoles.

Theres really no point in gaming on a PC for me.

It is MOST CERTAINLY not a requirement to play the most recent games. YOu can play Crysis on hardware much older than the current next gen consoles. Its only a requirement if you want highest end graphics, which are not on par with consoles, but SURPASS.
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#202 vashkey
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

AdrianWerner

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

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#203 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

vashkey

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

Just as you can find fighters, action adventure games, racers, and sports on the PC.
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#204 vashkey
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"]Can you read unless your some computer nerd no one is going to think it's cheap to keep up twith the constant upgrading. And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?Vandalvideo

I will repeat, since you can't seem to comprehend the words that are coming out of my mouth. Find me a console that supports 1200p at 120FPS. I dare yu. Thats right, YA CAN'T. Highest settings DO NOT equal consoles. PERIOD. You do not have to upgrade at all to keep up with consoles. Upgrading is not a requirement. Not to mention we have a wide variety of genres.

It is a requirement if you want to play the more recent games that are actually worth playing.... Then again, to me there are no PC games worth playing. I don't like MMOs or stategy games and I prefer Halo over any PC fps I've ever played. That and alot of the PC FPS games are also on consoles.

Theres really no point in gaming on a PC for me.

It is MOST CERTAINLY not a requirement to play the most recent games. YOu can play Crysis on hardware much older than the current next gen consoles. Its only a requirement if you want highest end graphics, which are not on par with consoles, but SURPASS.

Crysis.... Woo hoo. One one game.

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#206 Vandalvideo
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Crysis.... Woo hoo. One one game.vashkey
Crysis is the most hardware dependant game coming out. I will leave you to place two and two together.
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#207 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

vashkey

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

I wasnt aware consoles got a lot of sims....

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#208 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"]Can you read unless your some computer nerd no one is going to think it's cheap to keep up twith the constant upgrading. And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?vashkey

I will repeat, since you can't seem to comprehend the words that are coming out of my mouth. Find me a console that supports 1200p at 120FPS. I dare yu. Thats right, YA CAN'T. Highest settings DO NOT equal consoles. PERIOD. You do not have to upgrade at all to keep up with consoles. Upgrading is not a requirement. Not to mention we have a wide variety of genres.

It is a requirement if you want to play the more recent games that are actually worth playing.... Then again, to me there are no PC games worth playing. I don't like MMOs or stategy games and I prefer Halo over any PC fps I've ever played. That and alot of the PC FPS games are also on consoles.

Theres really no point in gaming on a PC for me.

Don't worry. I feel the same about console games. I'm waiting for about 30 PC games and at the same time maybe 1-2 console games. Currently there's no point in console gaming for me, plus I don't want to be playing games that look like PC ones set on low settings for 3-4 years

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#209 vashkey
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[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

Vandalvideo

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

Just as you can find fighters, action adventure games, racers, and sports on the PC.

Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.

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#210 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]The reality is that neither MS or Sony see the PC as a direct competitor to their platform, especially MS.Vandalvideo

Again, how they feel means jack in this discussion. PC sales do affect console sales. It IS a direct competitor.

YOu can keep repeating that, but the Big 3's actions speak otherwise.

Unlike the PC, you don't see x360/PS3 versions of a game announced at the competitor's E3 conference. NOw just why is that?

You can't deny the simple FACT that PC sales can and will affect console sales in some form or fashion. ITs just juvenile.

I've never denied that fact.

Again, you saying so only shows that you haven't understood my posts at all. But go ahead with the denials....

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#211 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

vashkey

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

Just as you can find fighters, action adventure games, racers, and sports on the PC.

Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.

What's wrong with GTR2?

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#212 smokeydabear076
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I like the superior customizable features of the PC in both the hardware and the software. Not only that, but it is in my experience that PC games generally provide a superior level of entertainment to that of the consoles.
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#213 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

vashkey

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

Just as you can find fighters, action adventure games, racers, and sports on the PC.

Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.

yes despite the fact that it was a PC exclusive that got Racing GOTY last year....the PC still lacks good racers.

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#214 Vandalvideo
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Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.vashkey
Actually, the PC is leading in high quality racing titles, is almost on par in sports, and has a gerat deal of fantastic fighters.
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#215 vashkey
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[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

cobrax25

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

I wasnt aware consoles got a lot of sims....

Yeah, sure. I don't even know. I forgot all about that genre. Wow, if you consider that a loss to consoles then sure, go ahead and play with your pc.

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#216 Vandalvideo
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I've never denied that fact.Again, you saying so only shows that you haven't understood my posts at all. But go ahead with the denials....LosDaddie
What IS your point then. Come on, paint it out then so you can't baet around the bush anymore. You explicitly stated that the big three don't consider it a direct competitor. I've proved it is. So what is it you're trying to prove. Come on, tell me.
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#217 redneckdouglas
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Idiot. Developers made games that comes withbackward compatibility. Graphics qualityhave "options" compared to limited consoles. You can choose to play the game with what you have now, or you can go on ultra-settings with next-generation gears. Oh yeah, "next-generation hardwares" are optional too.

PC can use small chassis.

PC can use controllers, including PS2, GAMECUBE, XBOX , PS3 with $4 adapter, XBOX360.

PC can connect to HDTVs with same quality.

Consolescan't act like a PC or it'll ruin WINDOWS as a gaming platform. Gates is too smart for this.

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#218 vashkey
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.Vandalvideo
Actually, the PC is leading in high quality racing titles, is almost on par in sports, and has a gerat deal of fantastic fighters.

I might accept racing and sport comment. almost. But you have to be joking about fighters.

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#220 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

vashkey

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

I wasnt aware consoles got a lot of sims....

Yeah, sure. I don't even know. I forgot all about that genre. Wow, if you consider that a loss to consoles then sure, go ahead and play with your pc.

One of the best selling genres in gaming is a big loss.

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#221 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

vashkey

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

Nope. False. If you can ignore half of Pc genres, then so can I with console ones. Seriously though you can find large variety of games on PC in every genre besides fighters (and even there you will find a lot of 2D ones). Just because you have little idea about pc software doesn't change that. And I would really like to see those "large variety" consoles have in simulators, adventure or puzzle genres :D

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#222 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"]Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.Deihmos

Actually, the PC is leading in high quality racing titles, is almost on par in sports, and has a gerat deal of fantastic fighters.

Name these high quality racers. GTR 2 and what else? Nascar once came out for PC but not anymore. It only comes out for consoles.

Just go to the PC section, browse, and sort by score. Tadah! We have plenty of great racers.
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#223 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

vashkey

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

I wasnt aware consoles got a lot of sims....

Yeah, sure. I don't even know. I forgot all about that genre. Wow, if you consider that a loss to consoles then sure, go ahead and play with your pc.

sims as in the genere....not the game.....

Its a big genere....it gives off a lot of high scoring games.

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[QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"]Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.Vandalvideo

Actually, the PC is leading in high quality racing titles, is almost on par in sports, and has a gerat deal of fantastic fighters.

Name these high quality racers. GTR 2 and what else? Nascar once came out for PC but not anymore. It only comes out for consoles.

Just go to the PC section, browse, and sort by score. Tadah! We have plenty of great racers.

Don't forget trackmania, newest one got a AA on gamespot recently...it's also ridiculously popular especially in other countries.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"]Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.Deihmos

Actually, the PC is leading in high quality racing titles, is almost on par in sports, and has a gerat deal of fantastic fighters.

Name these high quality racers. GTR 2 and what else? Nascar once came out for PC but not anymore. It only comes out for consoles. Racers is another genre that is slowly dying on the PC and it was once popular.

This gen?



GTR2- 9.0

GT Legends 8.5

RACE- 8.8

Trackmania Sunrise 8.2

Trackmania United 8.0



not to mention NetKar PRO, Live for Speed S2 and rFactor, three incredible racing sims that GS didn't review.



Show me any console that has as many good exclusive racers (mind you..most multiplatform racers are on PC anyway) as PC this gen



Racing sims are now booming, I've been playing PCgames for 10 years and following it for 15 and never before were there so many good racing sims as there are now.

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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]I've never denied that fact.Again, you saying so only shows that you haven't understood my posts at all. But go ahead with the denials....Vandalvideo
What IS your point then. Come on, paint it out then so you can't baet around the bush anymore. You explicitly stated that the big three don't consider it a direct competitor. I've proved it is. So what is it you're trying to prove. Come on, tell me.

I have clearly stated my point. You just don't get it.

If MS/Sony saw the PC as a direct competitor, then PC versions of their games wouldn't be announced at their conferences. We don't see x360/PS3 versions of a game announced at the competitors' conference, do we?

Nowhere am I denying PC might take away console sales. Only that MS & Sony aren't concerned about it. They are only concerned with each other.

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#227 Vandalvideo
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Hmm...Adrian, I just took a look at your 2008 list and... THANK THE GODS AN AMERICAN MCGEE GAME. ALL HAIL ADRIAN, BRINGER OF GOOD FORTUNE.
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I like the superior customizable features of the PC in both the hardware and the software. Not only that, but it is in my experience that PC games generally provide a superior level of entertainment to that of the consoles.smokeydabear076

Agreed, Oblivion was the main game I played on my 360.....until I spent a few hours looking at the PC mods. After that I sold my 360 and used it for my current rig. The 360 has alot of games, but I recently stopped buying too many games, and I decided to go PC.

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I have clearly stated my point. You just don't get it.If MS/Sony saw the PC as a direct competitor, then PC versions of their games wouldn't be announced at their conferences. We don't see x360/PS3 versions of a game announced at the competitors' conference, do we?Nowhere am I denying PC might take away console sales. Only that MS & Sony aren't concerned about it. They are only concerned with each other.LosDaddie
How is if they are concerned or caring even relevant here? They are direct competitors.
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#230 meggido
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Hmm...Adrian, I just took a look at your 2008 list and... THANK THE GODS AN AMERICAN MCGEE GAME. ALL HAIL ADRIAN, BRINGER OF GOOD FORTUNE.Vandalvideo

I forgot about that game, it sounded great from the previews but I don't think I've heard anything about it in over a year.

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#231 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]I have clearly stated my point. You just don't get it.If MS/Sony saw the PC as a direct competitor, then PC versions of their games wouldn't be announced at their conferences. We don't see x360/PS3 versions of a game announced at the competitors' conference, do we?Nowhere am I denying PC might take away console sales. Only that MS & Sony aren't concerned about it. They are only concerned with each other.Vandalvideo
How is if they are concerned or caring even relevant here? They are direct competitors.

Yup, I already said they were direct competitors.......here in SW. I said that in my first post in this thread.:)

In real life, MS' and Sony's actions say otherwise as to who is their platform's direct competitor is....as I have clearly pointed that out.

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#232 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]I have clearly stated my point. You just don't get it.If MS/Sony saw the PC as a direct competitor, then PC versions of their games wouldn't be announced at their conferences. We don't see x360/PS3 versions of a game announced at the competitors' conference, do we?Nowhere am I denying PC might take away console sales. Only that MS & Sony aren't concerned about it. They are only concerned with each other.LosDaddie

How is if they are concerned or caring even relevant here? They are direct competitors.

Yup, I already said they were direct competitors.......here in SW. I said that in my first post in this thread.:)

In real life, MS' and Sony's actions say otherwise as to who is their platform's direct competitor is....as I have clearly pointed that out.

And as I have clearly pointed otu, their actions mean naught. They are direct competitors in reality.
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#233 cliff122316
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*sigh*

this discussion always comes down to broad ignorent statements from the uninformed. i mean one guy earlier said he didnt want to upgrade all the time and that his 360 was better than a pc. then someone else said that their 8800gts would last him as long as a 360, the other guy didnt even know what an 8800gts was. how can you sit there and argue about the cons of a pc when you have no idea what pc gaming is actually like. not to say that the ignorance is on the console side only, everyone needs to realize that if they dont know enough about something then they shouldnt be arguing about it.

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#234 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]I have clearly stated my point. You just don't get it.If MS/Sony saw the PC as a direct competitor, then PC versions of their games wouldn't be announced at their conferences. We don't see x360/PS3 versions of a game announced at the competitors' conference, do we?Nowhere am I denying PC might take away console sales. Only that MS & Sony aren't concerned about it. They are only concerned with each other.Vandalvideo

How is if they are concerned or caring even relevant here? They are direct competitors.

Yup, I already said they were direct competitors.......here in SW. I said that in my first post in this thread.:)

In real life, MS' and Sony's actions say otherwise as to who is their platform's direct competitor is....as I have clearly pointed that out.

And as I have clearly pointed otu, their actions mean naught. They are direct competitors in reality.

Yup, in the reality that is SW.

I've never seen a company promote their competitor's product before. I guess both MS & Sony are too foolish to realize they are promoting a direct competitor's product.

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#235 Danm_999
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Yup, in the reality that is SW.

I've never seen a company promote their competitor's product before. I guess both MS & Sony are too foolish to realize they are promoting a direct competitor's product.

LosDaddie

If they aren't in competition in reality, why didn't Microsoft have Bungie release Halo CE on PC at the same time as Xbox?

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

vashkey

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

What about flight sims? What about Mech sims? What about Train or Boat or Life sims? What about 4X? What about Grognard games? What about Adventure games (Lucasarts style)? What about economic games? What about world-builder games? What about... ...yeah, tell me where to get those on console. Especially my beloved Combat Flight Sims. Can I get even ONE decent vehicle sim on the consoles? Nope. Why not? I dunno, but I can't. Even the Ace Combat series is so dumbed down from sim that it's nothing more than a modern Afterburner Arcade. Why can't I get any Grognard games on a console? I dunno. KOEI came close at times, but that was years ago, not anymore. PTOII was probably the closest to a real Grognard game on consoles, and that was SNES/GEN. Why can't I get build-to-function Robot sims? Hunh? I dunno, but they're not on consoles. Lotsa things aren't on consoles. In fact, none of the games I'm playing right now even have a counterpart on consoles: Medieval II: Total war: nothing on consoles like it. IL2: Sturmovik, nothing on consoles like it. Company of Heroes, nothing on consoles like it. And so on...
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#237 meggido
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Yup, in the reality that is SW.

I've never seen a company promote their competitor's product before. I guess both MS & Sony are too foolish to realize they are promoting a direct competitor's product.

Danm_999

If they aren't in competition in reality, why didn't Microsoft have Bungie release Halo CE on PC at the same time as Xbox?

Because they had no idea it would sell so well? It's pretty average compared to most PC shooters anyway.

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#238 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Yup, in the reality that is SW.

I've never seen a company promote their competitor's product before. I guess both MS & Sony are too foolish to realize they are promoting a direct competitor's product.

Danm_999

If they aren't in competition in reality, why didn't Microsoft have Bungie release Halo CE on PC at the same time as Xbox?

I dunno. That's a question for MS.

My guess is that Bungie/MS didn't want to split up the development resources. A lot of dev studios like to focus on one platform......hence the term "lead platform".

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[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

cobrax25

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

Just as you can find fighters, action adventure games, racers, and sports on the PC.

Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.

yes despite the fact that it was a PC exclusive that got Racing GOTY last year....the PC still lacks good racers.

yeah..it got racing GOTY because Forza 2 and GT5 didn't come out last year

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#240 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

primetime2121

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

Just as you can find fighters, action adventure games, racers, and sports on the PC.

Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.

yes despite the fact that it was a PC exclusive that got Racing GOTY last year....the PC still lacks good racers.

yeah..it got racing GOTY because Forza 2 and GT5 didn't come out last year

?

so clearly the PC does have good racers if it won racing GOTY last year....

GTR2 is more of a sim then Forza 2 or GT5 can ever even dream of being.

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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

primetime2121

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

Just as you can find fighters, action adventure games, racers, and sports on the PC.

Yeah, if your willing to settle for old games or bad ones in that genre.

yes despite the fact that it was a PC exclusive that got Racing GOTY last year....the PC still lacks good racers.

yeah..it got racing GOTY because Forza 2 and GT5 didn't come out last year

Sure, but that's largely because GS prefers more mainstream games, I mean as sims both GT and Forza2 are just medicore. Best pc racin sims make them look like arcade, but they do have much wider apeal, not to mention higher production values

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#243 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

primetime2121

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

What about flight sims? What about Mech sims? What about Train or Boat or Life sims? What about 4X? What about Grognard games? What about Adventure games (Lucasarts style)? What about economic games? What about world-builder games? What about... ...yeah, tell me where to get those on console. Especially my beloved Combat Flight Sims. Can I get even ONE decent vehicle sim on the consoles? Nope. Why not? I dunno, but I can't. Even the Ace Combat series is so dumbed down from sim that it's nothing more than a modern Afterburner Arcade. Why can't I get any Grognard games on a console? I dunno. KOEI came close at times, but that was years ago, not anymore. PTOII was probably the closest to a real Grognard game on consoles, and that was SNES/GEN. Why can't I get build-to-function Robot sims? Hunh? I dunno, but they're not on consoles. Lotsa things aren't on consoles. In fact, none of the games I'm playing right now even have a counterpart on consoles: Medieval II: Total war: nothing on consoles like it. IL2: Sturmovik, nothing on consoles like it. Company of Heroes, nothing on consoles like it. And so on...

lol..who plays economic games or mech sims ?? 40 year old baldloners who still live with their parents

right...because sim city hasnt become a hugely popular game that sells millions with every release.

/sarcasm

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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

primetime2121

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

What about flight sims? What about Mech sims? What about Train or Boat or Life sims? What about 4X? What about Grognard games? What about Adventure games (Lucasarts style)? What about economic games? What about world-builder games? What about... ...yeah, tell me where to get those on console. Especially my beloved Combat Flight Sims. Can I get even ONE decent vehicle sim on the consoles? Nope. Why not? I dunno, but I can't. Even the Ace Combat series is so dumbed down from sim that it's nothing more than a modern Afterburner Arcade. Why can't I get any Grognard games on a console? I dunno. KOEI came close at times, but that was years ago, not anymore. PTOII was probably the closest to a real Grognard game on consoles, and that was SNES/GEN. Why can't I get build-to-function Robot sims? Hunh? I dunno, but they're not on consoles. Lotsa things aren't on consoles. In fact, none of the games I'm playing right now even have a counterpart on consoles: Medieval II: Total war: nothing on consoles like it. IL2: Sturmovik, nothing on consoles like it. Company of Heroes, nothing on consoles like it. And so on...

lol..who plays economic games or mech sims ?? 40 year old bald loners who still live with their parents

Nope..just adults. You know that's the diffrence between most pcgamers and console gamers. PCgamers are mostly adults who have a good job and can afford their hobby, most console gamers (especialy at SW) are teenagers who live with their parents and have to ask them for money to buy anything.

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#245 meggido
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

And like I said, there are no good PC games unless you like only FPS, strategy games and MMOs. "KAPISH"?

primetime2121

And there are no good console games unless you like only sports, shooters and racing. "KAPISH"? :D

Actually, you can find a large variety of games on console in any genre except may MMORPG and RTS. Two of the most boring genres mind you.

What about flight sims? What about Mech sims? What about Train or Boat or Life sims? What about 4X? What about Grognard games? What about Adventure games (Lucasarts style)? What about economic games? What about world-builder games? What about... ...yeah, tell me where to get those on console. Especially my beloved Combat Flight Sims. Can I get even ONE decent vehicle sim on the consoles? Nope. Why not? I dunno, but I can't. Even the Ace Combat series is so dumbed down from sim that it's nothing more than a modern Afterburner Arcade. Why can't I get any Grognard games on a console? I dunno. KOEI came close at times, but that was years ago, not anymore. PTOII was probably the closest to a real Grognard game on consoles, and that was SNES/GEN. Why can't I get build-to-function Robot sims? Hunh? I dunno, but they're not on consoles. Lotsa things aren't on consoles. In fact, none of the games I'm playing right now even have a counterpart on consoles: Medieval II: Total war: nothing on consoles like it. IL2: Sturmovik, nothing on consoles like it. Company of Heroes, nothing on consoles like it. And so on...

lol..who plays economic games or mech sims ?? 40 year old bald loners who still live with their parents

But he has a point, unlike some trolls I know.

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#246 br0kenrabbit
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lol..who plays economic games or mech sims ?? 40 year old bald loners who still live with their parents

primetime2121
Who plays a fake plastic guitar instead of learning how to play a real one? Who has to have busty 15-year-old girls in all their RPGs? Which market isn't 'dedicated' enough to learn the procedures for getting a plane off the ground and have to rely on faked, simplified procedures to do so? What is it, press X to launch? Where's flaps? Where's blade pitch? Where's tail wheel lock? Where's supercharger settings? Where's....
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#247 Datheron
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Let's do some market research.

...br0kenrabbit

Ah, interesting. Some good research you did, BTW (especially for a denizen of this forum....).

I'm looking at another report here which shows a lot of the same data, but does provide better context for some of those numbers:

By 2011, the worldwide gaming market will be worth $48.9 billion at a compound annual growth rate of 9.1% during the five-year period, with gains slowing every year because of the maturation of the current generation of consoles, according to the global consultancy.

So consoles do factor a bit into the global figures.

Its data includes consumer spending on games, but does not include spending on hardware and accessories.

As we know, a good amount of console spending comes from the consoles themselves and the accessories, although I'll concede that there's expensive PC hardware to be bought as well.

In the U.S., online and wireless games should see the biggest gains through 2011, as PwC predicts online will expand from an estimated $1.1 billion market last year to $2.7 billion in 2011, and wireless will double from $499 million to $1 billion.

Ah, we forgot about the explosion of the wireless platform!

In-game advertising will be a key spark for U.S. gaming revenue, growing from an estimated $80 million last year to $950 million in 2011, according to PwC. But Fenez signaled that this estimate could prove conservative as "advertisers like to reach the younger males" that many games tend to attract.

And ads!

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In this case I'm really just looking at pure numbers and not speculating about the number of users or the games that they play. As someone mentioned, there are a good number of assumptions you make going from $ -> # of gamers, and I make no claim either way, only saying that it might be closer than you think. A few more points:

- PC games in Asia tend to have an even lower price point of entry than console games here. Cybercafes are what people play on there, and microtransactions (monthly fees, money to buy clothes for your avatar, gold farming exchanges, even the act of going to the cybercafe itself) reign supreme over large PC/console purchases. I'd be interested to find out just how much of that projected $12 billion actually goes back to the developers/publishers of the games. Keyword: sales vs. spending; these reports are talking about spending.

- Again, these numbers discount any hardware sales for consoles and PC's, and even you'd have to agree that hardware sales (esp. accessories) add up to a good chunk of money whereas things are a bit murkier with PC's (e.g., buying a work PC and playing casual games on it).

- As someone mentioned, there's no data on the nature of the spending of these games, and I'm willing to bet a good amount goes towards casual games. I'm not going to go into sementics and claim that casual gamers aren't "gamers", but my observation is that there is a gaping chasm between truly casual games on the PC and what we tend to think of as "games on the PC", the truly hardcore. Credit perhaps goes to the PC for entertaining two such distinct markets on the same platform.

- If we're counting just the number of users, PC's tend to be very personal devices (one per home user) whereas consoles have enough multiplayer properties inherent to the platform to make them better party games; it's the "one XBox in a dorm room" phenomenon. If we're talking just money spent per person, I'd wager console gamers buy more consoles than most PC gamers whom would be casual.

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#248 Dualityeq
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WOW lol guess ill post post# 248 never thought it would go this big!!

hehe

i cant wait to get me one of these hehe

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]PC gaming also has the advantage of being attached to a proliferate modern electronic item that isn't likely to be removed from our society any time soon.x_boyfriend

Haha true that.

Wow hermits really have gone mad. Fact is about every pc you owned had died and been removed from society as it has become worthless as technology goes on. Most Consoles have much longer life spans then any one pc. I really dont see the point of this thread . When peopel bash pc its simply because they dont like the games that come to pc. Its obvious the pc industry paves the way to new technolgies in every console but that doesnt change the fact that some people like console gaming better.

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Nope..just adults. You know that's the diffrence between most pcgamers and console gamers. PCgamers are mostly adults who have a good job and can afford their hobby, most console gamers (especialy at SW) are teenagers who live with their parents and have to ask them for money to buy anything.AdrianWerner

ooohhh Don't stoop down to their level mate, not good.

The Sims is played by a lot of people, including women of all ages who feel left out by male-oriented games. You get the "Fantastic 4 Activity Center" for tots who don't want toplay The Darkness.

The same goes for consoles. Adrian, you're kidding me if you haven't seen 30 year old Nintendo fans. These kids grew up with Nintendo. And you see 40 year old fathers walking out with Xbox 360s looking smug and there children aren't even with them.

I think PC gaming has its advantages, as well as console gaming.

Quite frankly, I'm getting pissed off that no nvidia driver can stop LOTR:O from crashing. That's a huge minus for PC gaming.